Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals (attn Promotor)
I think the goal is to make it possible to shoot yourself in the foot with apathy. Intended effect (probably?): 1. A intents apathy 2. nobody objects 3. A has forgotten about intent, does nothing -> infraction But the current phrasing would also make unsuccessful attempts illegal as it says nothing about the intent having no objections --wunst Am 13.05.24 um 01:00 schrieb ais523 via agora-discussion: On Sun, 2024-05-12 at 15:32 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Proposal: No apathetic apathy Amend Rule 2465 (Victory by Apathy) by appending this text: A player SHALL NOT announce intent to Declare Apathy and then fail to Declare Apathy before that intent ceases to be ripe; such failure is the Class 5 Infraction of Not Reading the Room. What's the intention behind this one (and why such a high class)? Is the intention to make failed Apathy attempts illegal?
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals (attn Promotor)
On Sun, 2024-05-12 at 15:32 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: No apathetic apathy > > Amend Rule 2465 (Victory by Apathy) by appending this text: > > A player SHALL NOT announce intent to Declare Apathy and then > fail to Declare Apathy before that intent ceases to be ripe; such > failure is the Class 5 Infraction of Not Reading the Room. What's the intention behind this one (and why such a high class)? Is the intention to make failed Apathy attempts illegal? -- ais523
Re: DIS: Such Vile Calumny!
...Wrong forum. Posting it to Agora Discussions. On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 7:26 PM Yachay Wayllukuq wrote: > Assuming that you're "Not Guilty", it should be easy to use a Proposal to > set your status to the right one. I'd support it. > > And if you are "Guilty", we could perhaps convert your sentence to its > equivalent in Blots (with a Proposal), and then you can redeem yourself > through the current Blot-removing mechanics. > > I am very willing to help with any formal procedure to solve this. > > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 7:09 PM Joshua Boehme via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> Nostalgic curiosity brings me to check in on Agora, only to find myself >> (Elysion) branded a fugitive! This injustice cannot be permitted to >> continue, and I demand satisfaction in the most Agoran way possible: a >> pedantic logical argument. >> >> >> (The statements here are true to the best of my knowledge based on my >> good faith efforts to search the archives; however, as the events in >> question took place nearly 15 years ago, I cannot rule out the possibility >> that I overlooked some relevant piece of evidence.) >> >> The Scroll of Agora [1] lists me as a fugitive of the old law, defined as >> "someone who last left Agora before completing eir penal sentence". As the >> Scroll of Agora has been ratified at least once with that designation >> listed ([1] ratification noted; [2] such ratified version), I concede that >> in the view of the Agoran rules such statements as "Elysion last left Agora >> before completing eir penal sentence" would presumably be judged true. I >> argue that, absent ratification, such a statement should be judged false. >> >> Taken literally, it is straightforwardly false. My last deregistration >> was 2009-04-07 [3]. Contemporaneous Insulator reports ([4] and [5]) do not >> list me as a fugitive. >> >> A literal interpretation does not fully capture the spirit of the >> designation, though, as one could deregister before a controversy is fully >> decided, or indeed before another player can even initiate the process to >> resolve the controversy. That does not apply in this case, though, as my >> fugitive status arose as a side effect of the Blissful Solitude scam [6] in >> September 2009, months after my deregistration. The Insulator reports >> immediately prior [7] and after [8] (in particular, the recent event >> "ais523 plays Stool Pidgeon to create a rest in PBA's possession (one rest >> created in the possession of each first-class member of the basis)") >> document the change in my status. >> >> Therefore, even assuming for now that the Blissful Solitude scam did >> cause me to gain a rest when I was no longer a player -- a question I am >> setting aside for now as arguing otherwise would require a detailed >> understanding of the relevant rules at the time -- I was not currently or >> imminently subject to any penal sentence at the time of my last >> deregistration. >> >> >> [1] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg13854.html >> >> [2] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg09593.html >> >> [3] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg12958.html >> >> [4] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg02963.html >> >> [5] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg03010.html >> >> [6] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg17498.html >> >> [7] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04015.html >> >> [8] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04103.html >> >
DIS: Such Vile Calumny!
Nostalgic curiosity brings me to check in on Agora, only to find myself (Elysion) branded a fugitive! This injustice cannot be permitted to continue, and I demand satisfaction in the most Agoran way possible: a pedantic logical argument. (The statements here are true to the best of my knowledge based on my good faith efforts to search the archives; however, as the events in question took place nearly 15 years ago, I cannot rule out the possibility that I overlooked some relevant piece of evidence.) The Scroll of Agora [1] lists me as a fugitive of the old law, defined as "someone who last left Agora before completing eir penal sentence". As the Scroll of Agora has been ratified at least once with that designation listed ([1] ratification noted; [2] such ratified version), I concede that in the view of the Agoran rules such statements as "Elysion last left Agora before completing eir penal sentence" would presumably be judged true. I argue that, absent ratification, such a statement should be judged false. Taken literally, it is straightforwardly false. My last deregistration was 2009-04-07 [3]. Contemporaneous Insulator reports ([4] and [5]) do not list me as a fugitive. A literal interpretation does not fully capture the spirit of the designation, though, as one could deregister before a controversy is fully decided, or indeed before another player can even initiate the process to resolve the controversy. That does not apply in this case, though, as my fugitive status arose as a side effect of the Blissful Solitude scam [6] in September 2009, months after my deregistration. The Insulator reports immediately prior [7] and after [8] (in particular, the recent event "ais523 plays Stool Pidgeon to create a rest in PBA's possession (one rest created in the possession of each first-class member of the basis)") document the change in my status. Therefore, even assuming for now that the Blissful Solitude scam did cause me to gain a rest when I was no longer a player -- a question I am setting aside for now as arguing otherwise would require a detailed understanding of the relevant rules at the time -- I was not currently or imminently subject to any penal sentence at the time of my last deregistration. [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg13854.html [2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg09593.html [3] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg12958.html [4] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg02963.html [5] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg03010.html [6] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg17498.html [7] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04015.html [8] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04103.html
