DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Re: Re: 蘭亭社の憲章の修正箇条 2017/05/19

2017-05-19 Thread Josh T 
Nobody seems to mind when CFJ 3478 was presented with "I present no
arguments, largely out of spite" ;P.

I pledge to not object to nichdel should they wish to assign themselves the
below-quoted CFJs:
* "Agora need not be played in English."
* "Agora can be played in any language."

On 19 May 2017 at 15:38, Nic Evans  wrote:

> Honestly, there should be a punishment for calling CFJs without evidence.
> You're creating extra work for at least three other people (ais, the judge,
> G), the least you can do is put some effort into it.
>
> I pledge to dismiss both quoted CFJs if assigned to me without evidence by
> the end of the day.
>
> On 05/19/2017 02:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>
> CFJ: "Agora need not be played in English."
> CFJ: "Agora can be played in any language."
>
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:54 PM, caleb vines  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> > It came up as a CFJ when 天火狐 first registered.
>>>
>>> If you follow the actual precedent, it actually *didn't* accept the
>>> Japanse-character nickname, but instead recommended transliteration:
>>>https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3467
>>>
>>> However, that has faced a "soft overrule" in that everyone ignored it
>>> and continued to use the Japanese characters.  And regardless, it goes
>>> out of its way to mention that Registration is a special, lenient case.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017, caleb vines wrote:
>>> > Are there any pending CFJ's regarding Organization 蘭亭社?  I don't see
>>> > any, but I did join after the organization was already chartered so I'd
>>> > rather be sure.
>>>
>>> Not pending, but this one was DISMISSED:
>>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3478
>>>
>>> while noting there was no way to join the organization, so maybe you
>>> didn't actually join?  Dunno if it's relevant to the current text of
>>> the organization, haven't been following since that CFJ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Following this discussion, I submit a Call for Judgment for each of the
>> following statement:
>>
>> "天火狐 is a member of 蘭亭社."
>>
>>
>> Please accept into caller's evidence for "天火狐 is a member of 蘭亭社.":
>>
>> The decision in CFJ 1460
>> The decision in CFJ 3478, specifically the following two excerpts:
>>
>> >There are plenty of lines which are potentially ambiguous; for example,
>> >paragraph 5 machine-translates as "suitable", and uses the characters
>> >｢相応し｣ to represent the word (as opposed to ｢相応しい｣, which is defined to
>> >mean "Appropriate"). However, some experimentation shows that when the
>> >word is followed by ｢くない｣, the final ｢い｣ is dropped (both incorrect
>> >combinations are flagged up as a typo by the autocorrect on the machine
>> >translator I'm using, which is about as clear a message as a computer
>> >can give on the subject). As such, it seems most reasonable to
>> >interpret ｢相応しくない｣ as meaning "Inappropriate", even if this definition
>> >cannot be determined via a simple matching of character sequences in an
>> >editor.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> >However, some lines are very clear. Line 3, for example, is a very
>> >clear statement of possibility for a Budget switch flip. Unfortunately,
>> >it does not use the word "Appropriate" anywhere, neither in its
>> >English form, nor anything resembling the specified Japanese
>> >translations ｢ふさわしい｣ or ｢相応しい｣. An Organization merely
>> >stating that something is possible has no effect; it needs to specify
>> >that the action is Appropriate. As such, I conclude that there's no
>> >actual way to join this Organization.
>>
>
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Re: Re: 蘭亭社の憲章の修正箇条 2017/05/19

2017-05-19 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
I am sorry, I did not realize that that was the expectation. Further, I
hereby pledge to any CFJs without providing evidence.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:

> Honestly, there should be a punishment for calling CFJs without evidence.
> You're creating extra work for at least three other people (ais, the judge,
> G), the least you can do is put some effort into it.
>
> I pledge to dismiss both quoted CFJs if assigned to me without evidence by
> the end of the day.
>
> On 05/19/2017 02:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>
> CFJ: "Agora need not be played in English."
> CFJ: "Agora can be played in any language."
>
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:54 PM, caleb vines  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> > It came up as a CFJ when 天火狐 first registered.
>>>
>>> If you follow the actual precedent, it actually *didn't* accept the
>>> Japanse-character nickname, but instead recommended transliteration:
>>>https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3467
>>>
>>> However, that has faced a "soft overrule" in that everyone ignored it
>>> and continued to use the Japanese characters.  And regardless, it goes
>>> out of its way to mention that Registration is a special, lenient case.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017, caleb vines wrote:
>>> > Are there any pending CFJ's regarding Organization 蘭亭社?  I don't see
>>> > any, but I did join after the organization was already chartered so I'd
>>> > rather be sure.
>>>
>>> Not pending, but this one was DISMISSED:
>>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3478
>>>
>>> while noting there was no way to join the organization, so maybe you
>>> didn't actually join?  Dunno if it's relevant to the current text of
>>> the organization, haven't been following since that CFJ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Following this discussion, I submit a Call for Judgment for each of the
>> following statement:
>>
>> "天火狐 is a member of 蘭亭社."
>>
>>
>> Please accept into caller's evidence for "天火狐 is a member of 蘭亭社.":
>>
>> The decision in CFJ 1460
>> The decision in CFJ 3478, specifically the following two excerpts:
>>
>> >There are plenty of lines which are potentially ambiguous; for example,
>> >paragraph 5 machine-translates as "suitable", and uses the characters
>> >｢相応し｣ to represent the word (as opposed to ｢相応しい｣, which is defined to
>> >mean "Appropriate"). However, some experimentation shows that when the
>> >word is followed by ｢くない｣, the final ｢い｣ is dropped (both incorrect
>> >combinations are flagged up as a typo by the autocorrect on the machine
>> >translator I'm using, which is about as clear a message as a computer
>> >can give on the subject). As such, it seems most reasonable to
>> >interpret ｢相応しくない｣ as meaning "Inappropriate", even if this definition
>> >cannot be determined via a simple matching of character sequences in an
>> >editor.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> >However, some lines are very clear. Line 3, for example, is a very
>> >clear statement of possibility for a Budget switch flip. Unfortunately,
>> >it does not use the word "Appropriate" anywhere, neither in its
>> >English form, nor anything resembling the specified Japanese
>> >translations ｢ふさわしい｣ or ｢相応しい｣. An Organization merely
>> >stating that something is possible has no effect; it needs to specify
>> >that the action is Appropriate. As such, I conclude that there's no
>> >actual way to join this Organization.
>>
>
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Re: Re: 蘭亭社の憲章の修正箇条 2017/05/19

2017-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin 



On Fri, 19 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> CFJ: "Agora need not be played in English."
> CFJ: "Agora can be played in any language."

I've hinted at it, but PLEASE include some thought and arguments.  You're 
throwing
out a lot of CFJs, some trivially incorrect due to bad wording (I pointed those
out a couple days ago), some duplicative, and this is causing workload where
you're not contributing arguments.

I suggest Judges might start to consider DISMISS reasonable due to lack of
caller effort in arguments.

On thse cases, for example, it's pretty straightforward that Agora CAN be
played in any language - but maybe not with the current set of players.
So these are worded unhelpfully.