Re: DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration
On 2/9/2020 2:17 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: >> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >>> >>> * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. >>> >> >> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a >> player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can >> be undone. It's a valuable thing, too (I didn't do this with Bernie or >> Rance for this reason). Fine to keep it, but let's shut the door, and >> give it back to Bernie as well? > > Oh, I'm sorry! It's precisely because nobody's done it (recently?) that > it didn't occur to me it would be controversial. Totally on board with > this proposal. Oh no sweat at all. I was sorely tempted myself a couple times, so this is just me thinking "hmm - maybe that's not fair on the zombie" - I'm pretty sure it's never been done or even discussed. If enough people vote against and want to keep it as-is then I don't have to feel bad if I try it sometime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration
G. wrote: > On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > > * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. > > > > This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a > player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can > be undone. It's a valuable thing, too (I didn't do this with Bernie or > Rance for this reason). Fine to keep it, but let's shut the door, and > give it back to Bernie as well? Oh, I'm sorry! It's precisely because nobody's done it (recently?) that it didn't occur to me it would be controversial. Totally on board with this proposal. -twg
Re: DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration
On 2/9/2020 12:48 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > n Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> >> On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business >>> wrote: On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. > This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can be undone. It's a valuable thing, too (I didn't do this with Bernie or Rance for this reason). Fine to keep it, but let's shut the door, and give it back to Bernie as well? >>> >>> You need to explicitly prevent a player from acting on another's >>> behalf to award a Ribbon; otherwise act-on-behalf could be chained. >> >> The person actually making the award can only do so if acting on eir own >> behalf - not sure how that's chainable? > > "I act on Bernie's behalf to act on eir own behalf to award me a White > Ribbon." > > -Alexis Ah, there's the confusion - there's a precedent I believe that "act on eir own behalf" means that e was the one that actually sent the message and so forth, so "acting on someone's behalf to act on their own behalf" is a contradiction. But I'll find the precedent to be sure (can't remember the context) and will fix the proposal if I can't find it. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration
n Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > > wrote: > >> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >>> > >>> * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. > >>> > >> > >> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a > >> player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can > >> be undone. It's a valuable thing, too (I didn't do this with Bernie or > >> Rance for this reason). Fine to keep it, but let's shut the door, and > >> give it back to Bernie as well? > > > > You need to explicitly prevent a player from acting on another's > > behalf to award a Ribbon; otherwise act-on-behalf could be chained. > > The person actually making the award can only do so if acting on eir own > behalf - not sure how that's chainable? "I act on Bernie's behalf to act on eir own behalf to award me a White Ribbon." -Alexis
Re: DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration
On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >>> >>> * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. >>> >> >> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a >> player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can >> be undone. It's a valuable thing, too (I didn't do this with Bernie or >> Rance for this reason). Fine to keep it, but let's shut the door, and >> give it back to Bernie as well? > > You need to explicitly prevent a player from acting on another's > behalf to award a Ribbon; otherwise act-on-behalf could be chained. The person actually making the award can only do so if acting on eir own behalf - not sure how that's chainable? > Also I'm not sure that "act on eir own behalf" necessarily implies "by > announcement". Better might just be an explicit prohibition against > doing it on another player's behalf; Ribbons is high-power enough to > deal with precedence. There's a "by announcement" at the end of the whole sentence (it should probably be re-arranged a bit, but it's there). -G.
DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > > * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. > > > > This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a > player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can > be undone. It's a valuable thing, too (I didn't do this with Bernie or > Rance for this reason). Fine to keep it, but let's shut the door, and > give it back to Bernie as well? You need to explicitly prevent a player from acting on another's behalf to award a Ribbon; otherwise act-on-behalf could be chained. Also I'm not sure that "act on eir own behalf" necessarily implies "by announcement". Better might just be an explicit prohibition against doing it on another player's behalf; Ribbons is high-power enough to deal with precedence. -Alexis
