DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:08 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gratuitous arguments:

 tusho forgot e was a member of the AAA, and therefore is unlikely to
 have created the CFJs for the putpose of harvesting the ID numbers
 assigned. I argue that tusho created the CFJs so that /someone else/
 could harvest the ID numbers assigned, which is not a breach of the
 contract the way that it's currently written. (tusho does not have
 sufficient crops to harvest the resulting ID numbers anyway.) So I
 recommend a null judgement.

I would disagree. The contract reads:

15. Creating proposals or CFJs for the clear and primary purpose of
Harvesting the ID numbers assigned is a breach of this contract.

It doesn't specify who will be doing the harvesting, only that the
CFJs are created for the purpose of harvesting (which they were).

BobTHJ


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-08 Thread Taral
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would disagree. The contract reads:

 15. Creating proposals or CFJs for the clear and primary purpose of
 Harvesting the ID numbers assigned is a breach of this contract.

 It doesn't specify who will be doing the harvesting, only that the
 CFJs are created for the purpose of harvesting (which they were).

I agree with ais523's reading. Driving the car for the clear and
primary purpose of going shopping isn't satisfied if we're driving
someone else to the store.

-- 
Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you.
 -- Unknown


DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote:

 I'd better switch myself to hemming and hawing.  I do so.  -Goethe

This was a no-op, you already were h-and-h.



DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/9/3 Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 As a matter of fact, I don't think violating AAA paragraph 15 is
 prop-worthy. I transfer one prop from myself (because the situation
 ihope anticipated isn't occurring; effectively, from tusho because e
 is spamming CFJs) to H. CotC Murphy (because tusho is spamming CFJs).

I'm not a party to the AAA. Hooray.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Elliott Hird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/9/3 Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 As a matter of fact, I don't think violating AAA paragraph 15 is
 prop-worthy. I transfer one prop from myself (because the situation
 ihope anticipated isn't occurring; effectively, from tusho because e
 is spamming CFJs) to H. CotC Murphy (because tusho is spamming CFJs).

 I'm not a party to the AAA. Hooray.

Yes, you are.

BobTHJ


DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/9/3 comex [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 So:

 I initiate an equity case with respect to the AAA.  The state of
 affairs by which events have not proceeded as envisioned by the
 contract is that tusho has violated section 15 of the AAA agreement:

 15. Creating proposals or CFJs for the clear and primary purpose of
 Harvesting the ID numbers assigned is a breach of this contract.

 (Parties: BobTHJ, Murphy, Wooble, comex, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, the
 AFO, Quazie, Pavitra, ais523, Teh Cltohed Mna, woggle, Ivan Hope
 CXXVII, tusho, The PerlNomic Partnership, avpx)


what? Since when am I an AAA party?


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/9/3 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Yes, you are.

 BobTHJ


Wtf. I explicitly didn't care about the AAA and didn't want part
in its shenanigans. If this was a criminal CFJ I imagine it'd be
UNAWARE.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Elliott Hird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/9/3 Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 As a matter of fact, I don't think violating AAA paragraph 15 is
 prop-worthy. I transfer one prop from myself (because the situation
 ihope anticipated isn't occurring; effectively, from tusho because e
 is spamming CFJs) to H. CotC Murphy (because tusho is spamming CFJs).

 I'm not a party to the AAA. Hooray.

The Notary's report lists you as a party.

-root


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Elliott Hird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 what? Since when am I an AAA party?

Here it is:

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Elliott Hird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/6/12 ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I intend without three objections to amend the AAA agreement as follows:
 {
 In section 16 replace:

 I object. ehird objects. Teh Cltohed Mna objects. (Oh, wait, those
 last two fail.)

 I join the AAA. ehird joins the AAA. Teh Cltohed Mna joins the AAA.
 (Hmp, the last two fail again. Darn it.)

 --Ivan Hope CXXVII


 I object.

 I join the AAA.

 ehird



Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/9/3 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Elliott Hird
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 what? Since when am I an AAA party?

 Here it is:

Psht. Why on earth did I do that.


DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 03 September 2008 03:36:00 pm comex wrote:
 I initiate an equity case with respect to the AAA.  The state of
 affairs by which events have not proceeded as envisioned by the
 contract is that tusho has violated section 15 of the AAA agreement:

 15. Creating proposals or CFJs for the clear and primary purpose of
 Harvesting the ID numbers assigned is a breach of this contract.

To be honest, I'm not sure this creates an inequity in itself. If 
someone then tried to harvest the CFJs, then equity should take away 
their WRVs, but as it is I don't see what should be done equity-wise 
to fix the situation.

Pavitra


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Kindness

2008-09-03 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 September 2008 03:36:00 pm comex wrote:
 I initiate an equity case with respect to the AAA.  The state of
 affairs by which events have not proceeded as envisioned by the
 contract is that tusho has violated section 15 of the AAA agreement:

 15. Creating proposals or CFJs for the clear and primary purpose of
 Harvesting the ID numbers assigned is a breach of this contract.

 To be honest, I'm not sure this creates an inequity in itself. If
 someone then tried to harvest the CFJs, then equity should take away
 their WRVs, but as it is I don't see what should be done equity-wise
 to fix the situation.

1.  What if someone was working towards harvesting these CFJs naturally
when they came up later on, but now its too early?  What if the caller 
anticipated that and was doing this to prevent harvesting?

2.  CotC and judges have to deal with these.  Takes nonzero effort.  Some 
are members, but might not be if the contest tended to make more work for
themselves.

That being said, the Plaintiff would be better served to at least suggest
the severity of the inequity to make these more than hypotheticals.

-Goethe