Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Memes
Proposals take effect clause by clause via this part of 106: Except as prohibited by other rules, a proposal that takes effect CAN and does, as part of its effect, apply the changes that it specifies. That prohibition is generally applied to proposals clause by clause. So doesn't the proposal taking effect amount to "Except as prohibited by other rules (Rules or Instruments to the contrary notwithstanding...)" which basically neuters the proposal's claim of precedence? On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Wed, 2018-11-14 at 14:12 +1100, Rebecca wrote: > > It's not really a meme it's just the sort of joke proposal that I > > like but I know won't get passed. > > This sort of joke proposal actually passes surprisingly often, and > frequently threatens to do a lot of damage to the gamestate when it > does (e.g. "repeal all rules" has passed often enough that we have > specific countermeasures in the ruleset nowadays to prevent that > specific wording from working; it's often been something close to luck > that has prevented it destroying Agora in the past). As such, it may be > best avoided because sometimes Agorans need saving from themselves. > > I'm particularly suspicious that the proposal a) attempts to override > Agora Is A Nomic and b) is highly susceptible to timing scams. This > means that it's quite likely someone will attempt to gain a > dictatorship with it, which would be a very good reason to vote it down > (and even if you're not trying that yourself, likely someone else > will). > > -- > ais523 > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Memes
You could probably enact a rule with a similar text to the quoted proposal that amends itself to contain the text of the most current Memes submission. That would probably work closer to the way you intended. On 11/13/2018 08:08 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Rebecca wrote: I create the following proposal Title: I hate myself AI: 3 Text: Rules or Instruments to the contrary notwithstanding, this proposal shall act as though its text is the text submitted to a public forum and clearly marked "Memes submission" by the last person to vote FOR it. I don't think Proposals can take precedence over Rules, regardless of AI. However, I am not sure that this actually _does_ conflict with any Rules, if the Memes submission is written clearly enough. (The second last paragraph of Rule 105 seems relevant.) (Also I don't follow the memesphere so I might be being whooshed about something.) Greetings, Ørjan. -- Trigon
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Memes
On Wed, 2018-11-14 at 14:12 +1100, Rebecca wrote: > It's not really a meme it's just the sort of joke proposal that I > like but I know won't get passed. This sort of joke proposal actually passes surprisingly often, and frequently threatens to do a lot of damage to the gamestate when it does (e.g. "repeal all rules" has passed often enough that we have specific countermeasures in the ruleset nowadays to prevent that specific wording from working; it's often been something close to luck that has prevented it destroying Agora in the past). As such, it may be best avoided because sometimes Agorans need saving from themselves. I'm particularly suspicious that the proposal a) attempts to override Agora Is A Nomic and b) is highly susceptible to timing scams. This means that it's quite likely someone will attempt to gain a dictatorship with it, which would be a very good reason to vote it down (and even if you're not trying that yourself, likely someone else will). -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Memes
It's not really a meme it's just the sort of joke proposal that I like but I know won't get passed. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:08 PM Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Rebecca wrote: > > > I create the following proposal > > Title: I hate myself > > AI: 3 > > Text: Rules or Instruments to the contrary notwithstanding, this proposal > > shall act as though its text is the text submitted to a public forum and > > clearly marked "Memes submission" by the last person to vote FOR it. > > I don't think Proposals can take precedence over Rules, regardless of AI. > > However, I am not sure that this actually _does_ conflict with any Rules, > if the Memes submission is written clearly enough. (The second last > paragraph of Rule 105 seems relevant.) > > (Also I don't follow the memesphere so I might be being whooshed about > something.) > > Greetings, > Ørjan. > -- >From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: BUS: Memes
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Rebecca wrote: I create the following proposal Title: I hate myself AI: 3 Text: Rules or Instruments to the contrary notwithstanding, this proposal shall act as though its text is the text submitted to a public forum and clearly marked "Memes submission" by the last person to vote FOR it. I don't think Proposals can take precedence over Rules, regardless of AI. However, I am not sure that this actually _does_ conflict with any Rules, if the Memes submission is written clearly enough. (The second last paragraph of Rule 105 seems relevant.) (Also I don't follow the memesphere so I might be being whooshed about something.) Greetings, Ørjan.
