DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Owen Jacobson]

On Jul 30, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja  wrote:

> I pay Agora 5 shinies to pay the Pending List Price for my proposal 
> "Agoraculture v. 2.0" to flip its Imminence switch to "pending".

For the record, I _believe_ this attempt to pay Agora was ineffective, for 
reasons already discussed. If it wasn’t, we should figure out a way to have 
transactions such as this, where multiple effects are involved, either to be 
completed or to fail completely.

-o



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I just remembered and am now trying to redecipher how it works.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> 
> On 07/31/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> CFJ: babelian has pended eir most recently submitted proposal.
> 
> You need to use AP or Shinies to submit the CFJ.
> 
>> Gratuitous arguments: It has previously been found that actions could be 
>> spread across multiple messages. However, I am unsure of whether the first 
>> payment would have been effective because e was doing with the expressed 
>> intent of causing something to occur that could not have occurred. If the 
>> first one, failed I believe the second one failed for the same reason. Also, 
>> it is unclear whether these messages constitute one action unambiguously. 
>> Given these complications, I also request that the judge also give a 
>> recommendation as to babelian’s current shiney balance.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> CFJ: babelian has pended his most recently submitted proposal.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 31, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja  
 wrote:
 
 I pay 5 more shinies to Agora to pay the full Pending List Price of 10 
 shinies. Given my "Welcome Package" of 50 shinies, I should have 40 
 shinies from that Welcome Package left over; therefore I transfer 5 
 shinies back to nichdel.
 
 Sincerely,
 Ajay Kumar Raja
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Nic Evans]

On 07/31/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

CFJ: babelian has pended eir most recently submitted proposal.


You need to use AP or Shinies to submit the CFJ.


Gratuitous arguments: It has previously been found that actions could be spread 
across multiple messages. However, I am unsure of whether the first payment 
would have been effective because e was doing with the expressed intent of 
causing something to occur that could not have occurred. If the first one, 
failed I believe the second one failed for the same reason. Also, it is unclear 
whether these messages constitute one action unambiguously. Given these 
complications, I also request that the judge also give a recommendation as to 
babelian’s current shiney balance.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com




On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
 wrote:

CFJ: babelian has pended his most recently submitted proposal.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com




On Jul 31, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja  wrote:

I pay 5 more shinies to Agora to pay the full Pending List Price of 10 shinies. Given my 
"Welcome Package" of 50 shinies, I should have 40 shinies from that Welcome 
Package left over; therefore I transfer 5 shinies back to nichdel.

Sincerely,
Ajay Kumar Raja

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Aris Merchant]

NttPF

-Aris

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
> I assume you got the PLP from the current ruleset. This morning a new
> economic proposal passed, and it changed the way the price is calculated.
> Right now the price is 10 shinies (1/20th of something called the 'Floating
> Value'). The online ruleset lags behind rule changes a bit, which can be
> confusing for big changes.
>
> I'm not sure if this attempt cost you 5 shinies, but in any case: I transfer
> 5 shinies to babelian.
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja 
> wrote:
>>
>> I pay Agora 5 shinies to pay the Pending List Price for my proposal
>> "Agoraculture v. 2.0" to flip its Imminence switch to "pending".
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Nicholas Evans]

I assume you got the PLP from the current ruleset. This morning a new
economic proposal passed, and it changed the way the price is calculated.
Right now the price is 10 shinies (1/20th of something called the 'Floating
Value'). The online ruleset lags behind rule changes a bit, which can be
confusing for big changes.

I'm not sure if this attempt cost you 5 shinies, but in any case: I
transfer 5 shinies to babelian.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja 
wrote:

> I pay Agora 5 shinies to pay the Pending List Price for my proposal
> "Agoraculture v. 2.0" to flip its Imminence switch to "pending".
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Josh T]

Well. I suppose a nickel's worth of Shiny rounds to zero at that exchange
rate.

天火狐

On 18 July 2017 at 06:15, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> Bam. Paid.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> (I don't think I should reveal any more, given that there's quite a bit of
> private data here, but this should do. 20 bucks sent.)
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> I pay Cuddlebeam 1 Shiny. (Cuddlebeam: contact me off-list if your pledge
>> follows the most obvious interpretation. This isn’t the email associated
>> with my Paypal account.)
>>
>> -o
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:15 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>
>> I present the following as gratuitous argument to that CFJ (which is also
>> a pledge):
>>
>> - I pledge to pay 20 USD (to be transferred by Paypal) for a shiny.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>>
>>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>>>
>>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5
>>> shinies.”
>>>
>>> -o
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Cuddle Beam]

Bam. Paid.

[image: Inline image 1]

(I don't think I should reveal any more, given that there's quite a bit of
private data here, but this should do. 20 bucks sent.)

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> I pay Cuddlebeam 1 Shiny. (Cuddlebeam: contact me off-list if your pledge
> follows the most obvious interpretation. This isn’t the email associated
> with my Paypal account.)
>
> -o
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:15 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
> I present the following as gratuitous argument to that CFJ (which is also
> a pledge):
>
> - I pledge to pay 20 USD (to be transferred by Paypal) for a shiny.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>>
>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
>>
>> -o
>>
>>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Owen Jacobson]

The most reasonable interpretation of that “for” is the colloquial sense, which 
is broadly the same as “in return for.” However, you’re not wrong…

-o

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:18 AM, Quazie  wrote:
> 
> You didn't say which shiny... you didn't pledge to pay $20 to the first 
> person that sent you a shiny - I'm unsure what the specifics of this pledge 
> actually are
> 
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 23:15 Cuddle Beam  > wrote:
> I present the following as gratuitous argument to that CFJ (which is also a 
> pledge):
> 
> - I pledge to pay 20 USD (to be transferred by Paypal) for a shiny.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Owen Jacobson  > wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  > wrote:
> 
> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
> 
> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
> 
> -o
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Quazie]

You didn't say which shiny... you didn't pledge to pay $20 to the first
person that sent you a shiny - I'm unsure what the specifics of this pledge
actually are

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 23:15 Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I present the following as gratuitous argument to that CFJ (which is also
> a pledge):
>
> - I pledge to pay 20 USD (to be transferred by Paypal) for a shiny.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>>
>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
>>
>> -o
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[V.J Rada]

Given that nothing we do here has any value and no real money is ever
exchanged I feel like a nickel's worth of shinies is not a statement that
can be made, the two things are not equivalent. Alternatively a nickel's
worth may be a non-transferable decimal quantity...

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Josh T  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure the "without warning" part can be easily fixed.
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 17 July 2017 at 23:12, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> I am extremely tempted to offer you a shiny for it, but I think my
>> partner might be a bit miffed if bread showed up in the post without
>> warning.
>>
>> -o
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:10 PM, grok (caleb vines) 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The theoretical answer is probably a function of known values, like the
>> price of an estate.
>>
>> For a practical answer, I have an extra loaf in my pantry I'd be willing
>> to mail out...
>>
>>
>> -grok
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017 9:55 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. What’s the price of bread?
>>
>> -o
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Josh T  wrote:
>>
>> I mean if I can buy the entire estate of Antegria for 50 cents, I think
>> 10 cents a month is a lot.
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 17 July 2017 at 22:50, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>>> If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10
>>> cents a month - which to me is bonkers.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>>
 On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:

 > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.

 I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5
 shinies.”

 -o


>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Josh T]

I'm pretty sure the "without warning" part can be easily fixed.

天火狐

On 17 July 2017 at 23:12, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> I am extremely tempted to offer you a shiny for it, but I think my partner
> might be a bit miffed if bread showed up in the post without warning.
>
> -o
>
> On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:10 PM, grok (caleb vines) 
> wrote:
>
> The theoretical answer is probably a function of known values, like the
> price of an estate.
>
> For a practical answer, I have an extra loaf in my pantry I'd be willing
> to mail out...
>
>
> -grok
>
> On Jul 17, 2017 9:55 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Indeed. What’s the price of bread?
>
> -o
>
> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Josh T  wrote:
>
> I mean if I can buy the entire estate of Antegria for 50 cents, I think 10
> cents a month is a lot.
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 17 July 2017 at 22:50, Quazie  wrote:
>
>> If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10
>> cents a month - which to me is bonkers.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>>
>>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>>>
>>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5
>>> shinies.”
>>>
>>> -o
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Owen Jacobson]

I am extremely tempted to offer you a shiny for it, but I think my partner 
might be a bit miffed if bread showed up in the post without warning.

-o

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:10 PM, grok (caleb vines)  wrote:
> 
> The theoretical answer is probably a function of known values, like the price 
> of an estate.
> 
> For a practical answer, I have an extra loaf in my pantry I'd be willing to 
> mail out...
> 
> 
> -grok
> 
> On Jul 17, 2017 9:55 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  > wrote:
> Indeed. What’s the price of bread?
> 
> -o
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Josh T > > wrote:
>> 
>> I mean if I can buy the entire estate of Antegria for 50 cents, I think 10 
>> cents a month is a lot.
>> 
>> 天火狐
>> 
>> On 17 July 2017 at 22:50, Quazie > > wrote:
>> If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10 cents 
>> a month - which to me is bonkers.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson > > wrote:
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie > > wrote:
>> 
>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>> 
>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
>> 
>> -o
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[grok (caleb vines)]

The theoretical answer is probably a function of known values, like the
price of an estate.

For a practical answer, I have an extra loaf in my pantry I'd be willing to
mail out...


-grok

On Jul 17, 2017 9:55 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:

Indeed. What’s the price of bread?

-o

On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Josh T  wrote:

I mean if I can buy the entire estate of Antegria for 50 cents, I think 10
cents a month is a lot.

天火狐

On 17 July 2017 at 22:50, Quazie  wrote:

> If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10
> cents a month - which to me is bonkers.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>>
>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
>>
>> -o
>>
>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Josh T]

I mean if I can buy the entire estate of Antegria for 50 cents, I think 10
cents a month is a lot.

天火狐

On 17 July 2017 at 22:50, Quazie  wrote:

> If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10
> cents a month - which to me is bonkers.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>>
>> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
>>
>> -o
>>
>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Owen Jacobson]

Indeed. What’s the price of bread?

-o

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> 
> I mean if I can buy the entire estate of Antegria for 50 cents, I think 10 
> cents a month is a lot.
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 17 July 2017 at 22:50, Quazie  > wrote:
> If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10 cents a 
> month - which to me is bonkers.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson  > wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  > wrote:
> 
> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
> 
> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
> 
> -o
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

[Quazie]

If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10 cents
a month - which to me is bonkers.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>
> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as Assessor.
>
> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies is exactly 5 shinies.”
>
> -o
>
>