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Accepted, although that does not self-ratify I don't think. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Josh T wrote: > CoE: I don't think I've held my office since August. > > 天火狐 > > On 13 September 2017 at 19:52, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> I publish the following ADoP weekly report. >> Informal Measures >> Consolidation (number of filled offices over number of officeholders): >> 1.556 >> Late reports: (number of late reports as a percentage of reports): 23.53% >> Empty offices (Empty offices as a percentage of offices): 17.64% >> >> This report is effective as of 11pm GMT on 13 Sep >> Date of Last Report: 2017-09-06 >> >> Note: The "holder" column self-ratifies >> Office Holder Since Last Election Can Elect >> - >> Arbitor Y >> Assessornichdel 2017-06-05 2017-07-16 >> ADoP[1] V.J. Rada 2017-06-05 2017-09-13 >> Herald G. 2017-09-06 2017-09-13 >> Prime Minister VJ[2] 2017-09-13 2017-09-13 >> PromotorAris2016-10-21 2017-05-26 Y >> Referee o 2017-04-172017-06-09 Y >> Registrar PSS[3] 2017-04-18 2017-06-09 Y >> Regkeepor Aris 2017-09-13[4] 2017-09-13 >> Reportor 天火狐2017-08-10 2017-09-13 >> Rulekeepor Gaelan 2017-05-17 2017-05-26 Y >> Secretary o 2016-11-06 2017-06-27 >> Speaker CB[5] 2017-09-13[6] 2014-04-21 Never >> SuperintendentY >> Surveyoro 2017-05-08 2017-05-10 Y >> Tailor Y >> Agronimist Babelien 2017-09-13 Never Y >> >> [1]Associate Director of Personnel >> [2]V.J. Rada >> [3]Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> [4]Disputed, although Aris is the regkeepor, he may have held the >> office earlier. >> [5]Super disputed and does not self-ratify. Stands for Cuddlebeam >> [6]Also disputed >> >> Office M[1] Report Last Published Late[2] >> --- >> ADoP[3] Offices 2017-09-13 if i get >> this done fast, no >> Herald Y Patent titles 2017-09-04 >> Promotor Proposal pool 2017-09-11 >> Referee Rule violations 2017-09-12 >> Registrar Players, Fora 2017-09-03 ! >> Registrar Y Player history 2017-08-01! >> Regkeepor Regulations 2017-09-07[4] >> Reportor The Agoran Newspaper2017-09-13 >> RulekeeporShort Logical Ruleset 2017-09-11 >> Rulekeepor Y Full Logical Ruleset2017-08-25 >> Secretary OLEBaS[5] 2017-09-12 >> Secretary Y Charters2017-09-02 >> SuperintendentAgencies (incremental) 2017-08-28 !! >> Superintendent Y Agencies (Full) 2017-08-01 ! >> Surveyor Estates 2017-09-13 >> Tailor Y Ribbons 2017-08-24 >> Agronomist FarmsNever >> --- >> [1] Monthly >> [2] ! = 1 period missed. !! = 2 periods missed. !!! = 3+ periods missed. >> [3] Associate Director of Personnel >> [4] Disputed >> [5] Organizations, Lockout, Expenditure, Balances, and Shinies >> >> ===Events=== >> Not this week! I was considering breaking the tie in favour of o. for >> this reason but I wanted regular elections to be ensured. I apologize >> for my inefficiency in this regard. >> >> -- >> From V.J Rada > > -- >From V.J. Rada
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I publish the following ADoP weekly report. The alignments are rather out of whack here (and not just the one with Japanese in). Greetings, Ørjan. Informal Measures Consolidation (number of filled offices over number of officeholders): 1.556 Late reports: (number of late reports as a percentage of reports): 23.53% Empty offices (Empty offices as a percentage of offices): 17.64% This report is effective as of 11pm GMT on 13 Sep Date of Last Report: 2017-09-06 Note: The "holder" column self-ratifies Office Holder Since Last Election Can Elect - Arbitor Y Assessornichdel 2017-06-05 2017-07-16 ADoP[1] V.J. Rada 2017-06-05 2017-09-13 Herald G. 2017-09-06 2017-09-13 Prime Minister VJ[2] 2017-09-13 2017-09-13 PromotorAris2016-10-21 2017-05-26 Y Referee o 2017-04-172017-06-09 Y Registrar PSS[3] 2017-04-18 2017-06-09 Y Regkeepor Aris 2017-09-13[4] 2017-09-13 Reportor 天火狐2017-09-13 2017-09-13 Rulekeepor Gaelan 2017-05-17 2017-05-26 Y Secretary o 2016-11-06 2017-06-27 Speaker CB[5] 2017-09-13[6] 2014-04-21 Never SuperintendentY Surveyoro 2017-05-08 2017-05-10 Y Tailor Y Agronimist Babelien 2017-09-13 Never Y [1]Associate Director of Personnel [2]V.J. Rada [3]Publius Scribonius Scholasticus [4]Disputed, although Aris is the regkeepor, he may have held the office earlier. [5]Super disputed and does not self-ratify. Stands for Cuddlebeam [6]Also disputed Office M[1] Report Last Published Late[2] --- ADoP[3] Offices 2017-09-13 if i get this done fast, no Herald Y Patent titles 2017-09-04 Promotor Proposal pool 2017-09-11 Referee Rule violations 2017-09-12 Registrar Players, Fora 2017-09-03 ! Registrar Y Player history 2017-08-01! Regkeepor Regulations 2017-09-07[4] Reportor The Agoran Newspaper2017-09-13 RulekeeporShort Logical Ruleset 2017-09-11 Rulekeepor Y Full Logical Ruleset2017-08-25 Secretary OLEBaS[5] 2017-09-12 Secretary Y Charters2017-09-02 SuperintendentAgencies (incremental) 2017-08-28 !! Superintendent Y Agencies (Full) 2017-08-01 ! Surveyor Estates 2017-09-13 Tailor Y Ribbons 2017-08-24 Agronomist FarmsNever --- [1] Monthly [2] ! = 1 period missed. !! = 2 periods missed. !!! = 3+ periods missed. [3] Associate Director of Personnel [4] Disputed [5] Organizations, Lockout, Expenditure, Balances, and Shinies ===Events=== Not this week! I was considering breaking the tie in favour of o. for this reason but I wanted regular elections to be ensured. I apologize for my inefficiency in this regard. [snip]
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> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I claim the reward for this. From recently-enacted proposal 7845: > Amend R2496 "Rewards" by, at the end of the first paragraph, adding: > > When a player claims a reward, e SHALL list the number of shinies e > receives, or it is INEFFECTIVE. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
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Good memory, but you'll also note that I wrote a proposal designed to stop that kind of behaviour. On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I support, and hope you'll run for it. I wanted to take Notary, but there's > no way I'd have the time for it. However, I'd like to remind everyone what > happened last time you held Reportor. [1] :) > > [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg08173.html > > -Aris > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:02 PM Ned Strange > wrote: > >> With two support, I intend to inititate an election for Notary. I >> nominate myself for reportor. >> >> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Edward Murphy >> wrote: >> > =Metareport= >> > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at >> > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php >> > >> > Date of last report: 2018-02-19 >> > Date of this report: 2018-02-25 >> > >> > >> > MISCELLANEOUS INFO >> > >> > >> > Filled offices: 16/16 (100.00%) >> > Total officers: 9 >> > Consolidation[1]: 1.78 >> > Late reports: 4/13 (30.77%) >> > >> > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of >> > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different >> > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean >> > that all offices are filled by one player. >> > >> > >> > OFFICES >> > >> > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election Complexity >> > >> > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-182018-01-182 >> > ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-282018-01-282 >> > Assessor *G. 2018-02-06(ongoing) 3 >> > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24(never) 1 >> > Herald Corona 2017-11-302017-11-301 >> > Notary o 2017-10-222017-10-302 >> > Prime Minister Alexis 2017-10-20(ongoing) 1 >> > Promotor Aris 2016-10-212017-09-212 >> > Referee *G. 2018-02-08(ongoing) 2 >> > Registrar *G. 2018-02-06(ongoing) 2 >> > Regkeepor Aris 2017-07-062017-12-251 >> > Reportor *G. 2017-12-20(ongoing) 1 >> > Rulekeepor Alexis 2017-11-062017-11-063 >> > SpeakerAris 2018-01-132014-04-211 >> > Tailor Telnaior 2017-12-072017-12-071 >> > Treasuror *Gaelan 2018-02-25(ongoing) 3 >> > >> > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) >> > [2] Vacant since this date >> > [3] Currently imposed >> > >> > >> > WEEKLY REPORTS >> > >> > Office ReportLast Published Late[1] >> > >> > ADoP Offices 2018-02-19[2] >> > ArbitorJudicial matters 2018-02-19 >> > Cartographor Land of Arcadia 2018-02-24 >> > Herald Matters of Honour 2018-02-25 >> > Notary Contracts 2017-12-05 !!! >> > Promotor Proposal pool 2018-02-24 >> > RefereeRule violations 2018-01-31 !! >> > Registrar Players, Fora 2018-02-06 ! >> > Regkeepor ACORN 2018-02-24 >> > Reportor The Agoran Newspaper 2018-02-13 >> > Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2018-02-19 >> > Treasuror Coins and other currencies2018-02-25 >> > >> > [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ >> > [2] Not including this report >> > >> > MONTHLY REPORTS >> > >> > Office ReportLast Published Late >> > >> > Herald Patent titles 2017-10-27 !!! >> > Registrar Player history2017-11-30 !! >> > Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset 2018-02-19 >> > Tailor Ribbons 2018-02-12 >> > >> > >> > >> > ELECTIONS >> > >> > Office Initiated Phase Candidates >> > >> > Assessor 2018-02-19 Nominating G. >> > Prime Minister 2018-02-25 Nominating G. >> > Referee2018-02-19 Nominating (none) >> > Registrar 2018-02-19
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The only reason I nominated for Reportor is because it was listed as nobody standing for it. On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Ned Strange wrote: >> With two support, I intend to inititate an election for Notary. I >> nominate myself for reportor. > > I withdraw my nomination for Reportor (if I nominated myself - can't > remember). > > I nominate myself for Registrar. > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
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G. wrote: I withdraw my nomination for Reportor (if I nominated myself - can't remember). You didn't, but I think I'll need to update the ADoP UI to support that event (at least when someone actually does). That reminds me, I'll also remove Complexity from the report since that's no longer defined (it'll remain in the database, just unused).
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Can you actually do that? I can't find anything that would allow withdrawing nominations. ~Corona On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > > I become a candidate for Referee > > I withdraw my nomination for Referee. -G. > > > >
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Erk. If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default value. EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as the default (questionable), or Officeholder isn't a Switch at all, because by R2162(2), a switch must designate a default value in order to be a switch. Dunno if I'm missing something basic ... but if Officeholder isn't actually a switch ---ok Aris, now *that's* the sort of thing you can call a crisis. On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > CoE: The Distributor is an office. > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:26 PM Edward Murphy wrote: > > > > =Metareport= > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > Date of last report: 2018-07-02 > > Date of this report: 2018-07-08 > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > Filled offices: 10/13 (76.92%) > > Total officers: 7 > > Consolidation[1]: 1.43 > > Late reports: 3/10 (30.00%) > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > - > > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-182018-01-18 > > ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-282018-01-28 > > Assessor G. 2018-02-062018-02-27 > > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24(never) > > Herald*G. 2018-06-25(ongoing) > > Prime Minister*(vacant) 2018-07-05[2] (ongoing) > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-212017-09-21 > > RefereeVJ Rada2018-07-022018-07-02 > > Registrar *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] (ongoing) > > Rulekeepor*(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] 2018-07-08 > > SpeakerG. 2018-07-022014-04-21 > > Tailor ATMunn 2018-05-092018-05-09 > > Treasuror twg2018-06-242018-06-24 > > > > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) > > [2] Vacant since this date > > [3] Currently imposed > > > > > > WEEKLY REPORTS > > > > Office ReportLast Published Late[1] > > > > ADoP Offices 2018-07-02[2] > > ArbitorJudicial matters 2018-07-08 > > Cartographor Land of Arcadia 2018-07-02 > > Herald Matters of Honour 2018-07-05 > > Promotor Proposal pool 2018-07-05 > > RefereeRule violations 2018-06-24 ! > > Registrar Players, Fora 2018-06-24 (vacant) > > Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2018-06-12 (vacant) > > Treasuror Coins, other currencies 2018-07-04 > > > > [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ > > [2] Not including this report > > > > MONTHLY REPORTS > > > > Office ReportLast Published Late > > > > Herald Patent titles 2018-06-10 > > Registrar Player history2018-06-12 (vacant) > > Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset 2018-06-06 (vacant) > > Tailor Ribbons 2018-06-12 > > > > > > > > ELECTIONS > > > > Office Initiated Phase Candidates > > > > Herald 2018-07-02 Voting Corona, G., PSS > > Prime Minister 2018-07-05 Nominating Aris, Corona > > Registrar 2018-07-02 Voting Corona, PSS > > > > > > UPCOMING ELECTIONS[1] > > > > Office Days Until Last Election > > > > Promotor 00 Days 2017-09-21 > > ADoP 00 Days 2018-01-18 > > Arbitor00 Days 2018-01-28 > > Assessor 00 Days 2018-02-27 > > Tailor 29 Days 2018-05-09 > > ---
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, Gaelan Steele wrote: CoE: the Astronomor weekly report was not published the day before the Unix epoch. Maybe the Astronomor found a wormhole. Greetings, Ørjan.
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You have been but I just resigned the office, so you can take it back, On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:04 PM Edward Murphy wrote: > Falsifian wrote: > > > CoE: Rance is the Herald. E published a Herald's report by > > deputisation on June 4. > > Admitted, database corrected. This appears to have been some combination > of (a) my address getting cut off due to intermittent bounces and (b) my > failing to receive some/all messages sent by Rance specifically (who, > due to using a Yahoo address, might be running into the same type of > DKIM issues that I've been facing for a while). > > I'm still catching up on the past week-and-change of e-mails, I suspect > I may have been deputised out of office by this point but I'll still > finish just in case. > > -- >From R. Lee
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Falsifian wrote: CoE: Rance is the Herald. E published a Herald's report by deputisation on June 4. Right after that last response, it occurred to me that this might have gotten stomped on by self-ratification. But records show that the only ADoP report I published after that was on June 17, and due to some other CoEs between that and this, it couldn't have been undoubted long enough for that to happen.
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Since is useful for a number of things - such as Ribbons, Patent Titles, and the like. History is also missing from the Prime Minister and Speaker happenings, though I don't really care about that missing (as missing events don't matter for ratification) I also would like, though don't demand, a history of reported events, though once again that might be asking for a lot. On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM Nic Evans wrote: > On 05/26/2017 03:43 PM, Quazie wrote: > > COE Many new SINCE dates are wrong, such as my prime minister, your > > speaker, and ais' arbitor. > > > > Accepted. I used the wrong clock. Now to decide if I want to correct > them or just remove them... >
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 00:06 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Quazie wrote: > > > > > > Office M[1] Report Last Published Late[2] > > --- > > ADoP[3] Offices 2017-06-05 > > Herald Y Patent titles 2017-05-20 > > Promotor Proposal pool 2017-05-21 !! > > Referee Rule violations 2017-06-02 > > Registrar Players, Fora 2017-06-05 > > Registrar Y Player history 2017-05-31 > > Reportor The Agoran Newspaper2017-05-24 ! > > RulekeeporShort Logical Ruleset 2017-05-28 ! > > Rulekeepor Y Full Logical Ruleset2017-05-28 > > Secretary OLEaB[4]2017-06-02 > > Secretary Y Charters2017-06-02 > > SuperintendentAgencies (incremental) 2017-06-05 > > Superintendent Y Agencies (Full) 2017-05-18 > > Surveyor Estates 2017-06-02 > > Tailor Y Ribbons 2017-05-18 > > --- > > [1] Monthly > > [2] ! = 1 period missed. !! = 2 periods missed. !!! = 3+ periods missed. > > CoE: The Promoter's report isn't late. I release it in the new week > every week, so this week's one isn't late. In addition, I released the > report last week. > > -Aris Hmm - I have to validate the report rules to ensure that's the case - I do see you publish the pool with each distribution, it just doesn't seem like it's own report - will do a quick read and then accept the CoE > >
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On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Quazie wrote:
>
> ACCEPTED: Though I still have some doubts about your formatting, as it's not
> 100% certain that your e-mails are 'Purporting to be a Promotor's report' as
> the rules indicate they should, especially when the e-mails seemed to be
> predominantly Distributions on first glance.. I don't wanna inject a CFJ
> into my life, but i request you note that the message are indeed Promotor
> Reports to eliminate ambiguity in the future. I'll update this soon.
>
>
> {{{
>
> The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals in the
> Proposal Pool, along with their text and attributes. This
> portion of a public document purporting to be a Promotor's
> report is self-ratifying.
>
> }}}
>
> My question is, if the document doesn't purport to be a Promotor's report,
> is it still the Promotor's report, and is it still self-ratifying?
I think it does purport to be a Promotor's report, as a matter of game
custom. This has been the way promotor's reports have been done since
at least some time in 2014, and probably before that. I think this has
been reasonably unambiguous to everyone before now. I'd like to avoid
unnecessary changes. I've made only two formatting changes to these
reports since I entered office. The first was to add "and removing it
from the proposal pool" to the header boilerplate, and the second was
to add the pender and pend fee data. I'll CFJ this if necessary, but
I'd like to avoid it if we can reach a consensus. What do other's
think?
-Aris
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I won't accept or deny this until e responds. Unrelated, are you voting on the elections other than Herald? On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: >> Office Holder Since Last Election Can Elect[1] >> - >> Herald PSS[2] 2017-05-20 2015-07-02 Y > > Waiting for PSS's response if I missed em awarding champion, but to > prevent self-ratification: > > CoE: I am the Herald, via deputisation. > > > -- >From V.J Rada
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So it turns out I was calculating UTC wrong, Murphy is late. I'll be deputising tomorrow. On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:37 PM Rebecca via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend to deputize for ADop to file eir weekly report (Murphy isn't late > yet, e has until the end of this week) > > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 4:00 AM Edward Murphy via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > =Metareport= > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > Date of last report: 2020-05-10 > > Date of this report: 2020-05-24 > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > Filled offices: 14/15 (93.33%) > > Total officers: 9 > > Consolidation[1]: 1.56 > > Late reports: 2/10 (20.00%) > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > > > ADoP Murphy 2019-07-022019-07-02 > > ArbitorG. 2019-06-112019-11-23 > > Assessor Jason 2019-07-092019-11-11 > > Comptrollor *(vacant) 2020-05-24[2] 2019-05-19 [3] > > Distributoromd2018-06-15(never)[3] > > Herald PSS2020-05-032020-05-16 > > Notary*R. Lee 2020-04-282020-03-07 > > Prime Minister Aris 2020-03-072020-03-07 > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-212017-09-21 > > RefereePSS2020-03-292020-04-19 > > Registrar Falsifian 2019-05-042020-02-26 > > Rulekeepor Jason 2019-12-062020-03-07 > > SpeakerTrigon 2020-04-282019-11-05 [3] > > Tailor PSS2020-04-192020-04-19 > > Treasuror Trigon 2020-05-012020-05-01 > > > > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) > > [2] Vacant since this date > > [3] Currently imposed > > > > > > WEEKLY REPORTS > > > > Office ReportLast Published Late[1] > > > > ADoP Offices 2020-05-10[2] ! > > ArbitorJudicial matters 2020-05-13 > > Herald Matters of Honour 2020-05-24 > > Notary Contracts 2020-05-17 > > Promotor Proposal pool 2020-05-14 > > RefereeRule violations 2020-05-24 > > Registrar Players, Fora 2020-05-18 > > Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2020-05-24 > > Treasuror Coins, other currencies 2020-05-23 > > > > [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ > > [2] Not including this report > > > > MONTHLY REPORTS > > > > Office ReportLast Published Late > > > > Herald Patent titles 2020-03-14 ! > > Registrar Player history2020-04-23 > > Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset 2020-05-24 > > Tailor Ribbons 2020-04-29 > > > > > > > > ELECTIONS > > > > Office Initiated Phase Candidates > > > > (none in progress) > > > > > > UPCOMING ELECTIONS[1] > > > > Office Days Until Last Election > > > > Promotor 00 Days 2017-09-21 > > ADoP 00 Days 2019-07-02 > > Assessor 00 Days 2019-11-11 > > Arbitor00 Days 2019-11-23 > > Registrar 01 Days 2020-02-26 > > > > [1] Anyone can start an election (with 2 support and also becoming a > > candidate) 90 days after the previous one (or if it's interim and no > > election is ongoing). This section shows the 5 elected offices with the > > most time passed since the last election. > > > > > > INTERESTS > > - > > > > Office Interest > > -
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On 4/4/2021 5:04 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: ATMunn wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:54 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: WEEKLY REPORTS Office Report Last Published Late[1] ADoP Offices 2021-03-21[2] Arbitor Judicial matters 2021-03-25 Notary Contracts 2021-03-18 Promotor Proposal pool 2021-03-21 Referee Rule violations 2021-03-07 !! Registrar Players, Fora 2021-03-27 (vacant) Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2021-03-11 ! Stonemason Stones 2021-03-24 Tailor Glitter values 2021-03-28 Treasuror Coins, other currencies 2021-03-25 [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ [2] Not including this report CoE: I published a Notary report on the 24th: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-March/014749.html https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-March/014750.html Admitted. (It was listed in the detail section, but the weekly/monthly flag was apparently missed out; I should fix the update script to block in that situation.) You also didn't give me a salary for that report - that's all I really care about, lol. I won't point a finger though as long as it gets done reasonably soon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
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ugh too late. I guess issue me a card, although I can't point a finger. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> I claim the reward for this. > > From recently-enacted proposal 7845: > >> Amend R2496 "Rewards" by, at the end of the first paragraph, adding: >> >> When a player claims a reward, e SHALL list the number of shinies e >> receives, or it is INEFFECTIVE. > > -o > -- >From V.J. Rada
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Uck "SHALL or else INEFFECTIVE" is ugly, a double penalty. Make it "CANNOT claim a reward without listing the number of shinies..." On Fri, 15 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > ugh too late. I guess issue me a card, although I can't point a finger. > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> > >> I claim the reward for this. > > > > From recently-enacted proposal 7845: > > > >> Amend R2496 "Rewards" by, at the end of the first paragraph, adding: > >> > >> When a player claims a reward, e SHALL list the number of shinies e > >> receives, or it is INEFFECTIVE. > > > > -o > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
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Yes, I just think you might do better in a job with a little bit more structure. Still, it was one report, and it's not like it really matters. -Aris On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:09 PM Ned Strange wrote: > Good memory, but you'll also note that I wrote a proposal designed to > stop that kind of behaviour. > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I support, and hope you'll run for it. I wanted to take Notary, but > there's > > no way I'd have the time for it. However, I'd like to remind everyone > what > > happened last time you held Reportor. [1] :) > > > > [1] > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg08173.html > > > > -Aris > > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:02 PM Ned Strange > > wrote: > > > >> With two support, I intend to inititate an election for Notary. I > >> nominate myself for reportor. > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Edward Murphy > >> wrote: > >> > =Metareport= > >> > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > >> > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > >> > > >> > Date of last report: 2018-02-19 > >> > Date of this report: 2018-02-25 > >> > > >> > > >> > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > >> > > >> > > > >> > Filled offices: 16/16 (100.00%) > >> > Total officers: 9 > >> > Consolidation[1]: 1.78 > >> > Late reports: 4/13 (30.77%) > >> > > > >> > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > >> > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > >> > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > >> > that all offices are filled by one player. > >> > > >> > > >> > OFFICES > >> > > >> > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > Complexity > >> > > > >> > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-182018-01-182 > >> > ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-282018-01-282 > >> > Assessor *G. 2018-02-06(ongoing) 3 > >> > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24(never) 1 > >> > Herald Corona 2017-11-302017-11-301 > >> > Notary o 2017-10-222017-10-302 > >> > Prime Minister Alexis 2017-10-20(ongoing) 1 > >> > Promotor Aris 2016-10-212017-09-212 > >> > Referee *G. 2018-02-08(ongoing) 2 > >> > Registrar *G. 2018-02-06(ongoing) 2 > >> > Regkeepor Aris 2017-07-062017-12-251 > >> > Reportor *G. 2017-12-20(ongoing) 1 > >> > Rulekeepor Alexis 2017-11-062017-11-063 > >> > SpeakerAris 2018-01-132014-04-211 > >> > Tailor Telnaior 2017-12-072017-12-071 > >> > Treasuror *Gaelan 2018-02-25(ongoing) 3 > >> > > > >> > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) > >> > [2] Vacant since this date > >> > [3] Currently imposed > >> > > >> > > >> > WEEKLY REPORTS > >> > > >> > Office ReportLast Published > Late[1] > >> > > > >> > ADoP Offices 2018-02-19[2] > >> > ArbitorJudicial matters 2018-02-19 > >> > Cartographor Land of Arcadia 2018-02-24 > >> > Herald Matters of Honour 2018-02-25 > >> > Notary Contracts 2017-12-05 !!! > >> > Promotor Proposal pool 2018-02-24 > >> > RefereeRule violations 2018-01-31 !! > >> > Registrar Players, Fora 2018-02-06 ! > >> > Regkeepor ACORN 2018-02-24 > >> > Reportor The Agoran Newspaper 2018-02-13 > >> > Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2018-02-19 > >> > Treasuror Coins and other currencies2018-02-25 > >> > > > >> > [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ > >> > [2] Not including this report > >> > > >> > MONTHLY REPORTS > >> > > >> > Office ReportLast Published Late > >> > > > >> > Herald Patent titles 2017-10-27 !!! > >> > Registrar Player history2017-11-30 !! > >> > Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset 2018-02-19 > >> > Tailor Ribbons 2018-02-12 > >> > >
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Do you actually want to do it? I'm slacking on it and more than happy for anyone of equal slackness (or less slackness) to hold it. On Tue, 27 Feb 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > The only reason I nominated for Reportor is because it was listed as > nobody standing for it. > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > >> With two support, I intend to inititate an election for Notary. I > >> nominate myself for reportor. > > > > I withdraw my nomination for Reportor (if I nominated myself - can't > > remember). > > > > I nominate myself for Registrar. > > > > > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
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I mean I could do a job of it that doesn't suck as much as the job I did on some other roles ;). If you want it I'm happy to cede it but yeah. Or we could repeal it, I think there was discussion of 'we'll give it one more try and then repeal', and I feel like now would be a good time. On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Do you actually want to do it? I'm slacking on it and more than happy > for anyone of equal slackness (or less slackness) to hold it. > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018, Ned Strange wrote: >> The only reason I nominated for Reportor is because it was listed as >> nobody standing for it. >> >> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Ned Strange wrote: >> >> With two support, I intend to inititate an election for Notary. I >> >> nominate myself for reportor. >> > >> > I withdraw my nomination for Reportor (if I nominated myself - can't >> > remember). >> > >> > I nominate myself for Registrar. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
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Hmm... maybe. So I can stop myself from being installed into office by removing consent, in R1006: A person CANNOT be made the holder of an elected office without eir explicit or reasonably implied consent. This depends on consent at the moment the Election is resolved. Since R1006 has precedence over R2152, and this block would happen at the end of the election if I withheld consent: When a player wins an election, e is installed into the associated office and the election ends. So it looks like "nominate but withdraw consent" may mean a candidate stays in the election, but doesn't become the holder? And if, like me, e is the referee already, e would remain in office but as an interim holder (as e didn't "become its holder by winning an election." Which means, YIKES - a person who wins an election, but was the interim officeholder before the election, STAYS INTERIM, because e didn't "become its holder by winning an election". Even if e nominated emself/ consented/etc. On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Corona wrote: > Can you actually do that? I can't find anything that would allow > withdrawing nominations. > > ~Corona > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > > > I become a candidate for Referee > > > > I withdraw my nomination for Referee. -G. > > > > > > > > >
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2018-06-11 at 08:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Which means, YIKES - a person who wins an election, but was the > > interim officeholder before the election, STAYS INTERIM, because e > > didn't "become its holder by winning an election". Even if e > > nominated emself/consented/etc. > > You could work around this by resigning just before the election is > resolved (whilst making it clear that you consented to be reinstalled). Oh sure I noticed that workaround - but right now I was thinking that my holding of the Registrar and Assessor is still Interim because I think I deputized then later won elections - and that's not an uncommon thing for people to do. (and "interim" isn't a self-ratifying switch).
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On Mon, 2018-06-11 at 08:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Which means, YIKES - a person who wins an election, but was the > interim officeholder before the election, STAYS INTERIM, because e > didn't "become its holder by winning an election". Even if e > nominated emself/consented/etc. You could work around this by resigning just before the election is resolved (whilst making it clear that you consented to be reinstalled). -- ais523
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G. wrote: Which means, YIKES - a person who wins an election, but was the interim officeholder before the election, STAYS INTERIM, because e didn't "become its holder by winning an election". Even if e nominated emself/ consented/etc. Unless I'm missing something, this is incorrect. Rule 1006 paragraph 3, highlighted section addresses this specific situation: A holder of an elected office who did not become its holder by winning an election, and has not won an election for that office ^^^ since, is an interim holder. An elected office that is either ^ vacant or has an interim holder is an interim office.
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Well, I didn't realise how large of a problem this was, but that is very problematic. On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:45 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Erk. > > If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the > Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default > value. > > EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for > Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as the > default (questionable), or Officeholder isn't a Switch at all, because by > R2162(2), a switch must designate a default value in order to be a switch. > > Dunno if I'm missing something basic ... but if Officeholder isn't > actually a switch ---ok Aris, now *that's* the sort of thing you can call > a crisis. > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > CoE: The Distributor is an office. > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:26 PM Edward Murphy wrote: > > > > > > =Metareport= > > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > > > Date of last report: 2018-07-02 > > > Date of this report: 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > > > > Filled offices: 10/13 (76.92%) > > > Total officers: 7 > > > Consolidation[1]: 1.43 > > > Late reports: 3/10 (30.00%) > > > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > > - > > > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-182018-01-18 > > > ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-282018-01-28 > > > Assessor G. 2018-02-062018-02-27 > > > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24(never) > > > Herald*G. 2018-06-25(ongoing) > > > Prime Minister*(vacant) 2018-07-05[2] (ongoing) > > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-212017-09-21 > > > RefereeVJ Rada2018-07-022018-07-02 > > > Registrar *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] (ongoing) > > > Rulekeepor*(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] 2018-07-08 > > > SpeakerG. 2018-07-022014-04-21 > > > Tailor ATMunn 2018-05-092018-05-09 > > > Treasuror twg2018-06-242018-06-24 > > > > > > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) > > > [2] Vacant since this date > > > [3] Currently imposed > > > > > > > > > WEEKLY REPORTS > > > > > > Office ReportLast Published Late[1] > > > > > > ADoP Offices 2018-07-02[2] > > > ArbitorJudicial matters 2018-07-08 > > > Cartographor Land of Arcadia 2018-07-02 > > > Herald Matters of Honour 2018-07-05 > > > Promotor Proposal pool 2018-07-05 > > > RefereeRule violations 2018-06-24 ! > > > Registrar Players, Fora 2018-06-24 (vacant) > > > Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2018-06-12 (vacant) > > > Treasuror Coins, other currencies 2018-07-04 > > > > > > [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ > > > [2] Not including this report > > > > > > MONTHLY REPORTS > > > > > > Office ReportLast Published Late > > > > > > Herald Patent titles 2018-06-10 > > > Registrar Player history2018-06-12 (vacant) > > > Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset 2018-06-06 (vacant) > > > Tailor Ribbons 2018-06-12 > > > > > > > > > > > > ELECTIONS > > > > > > Office Initiated Phase Candidates > > > > > > Herald 2018-07-02 Voting Corona, G., PSS > > > Prime Minister 2018-07-05 Nominating Aris, Corona > > > Registrar 2018-07-02 Voting Corona, PSS > > > > > > > > > UPCOMING ELECTIONS[1] > > > > > > Office Days Until Last Election > > > -
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It's rule 1006, "Offices", that says Officeholder is a switch, and it's rule 2162, "Switches", that (indirectly) says it's not. Rule 1030, "Precedence between Rules", gives a handy algorithm for resolving contradictions between rules: - Compare their powers (Not useful, they're both power 2.0) - Do they both defer to a different rule for determining precedence? (No, not as far as I can see) - Does one rule state that it defers to the other? (No) - Compare their ID numbers (So rule 1006 takes precedence over rule 2162.) Since the "Offices" rule takes precedence, Officeholder is a switch, regardless of what the "Switches" rule has to say about it. At least I think that's how it works. Someone should probably check my logic. (Of course, we should probably remove the contradiction - and probably increase the power of 2162 because this seems like a prolific source of loopholes - but I don't believe there's anything to immediately panic about.) -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 8, 2018 9:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Erk. > > If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the > > Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default > > value. > > EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for > > Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as the > > default (questionable), or Officeholder isn't a Switch at all, because by > > R2162(2), a switch must designate a default value in order to be a switch. > > Dunno if I'm missing something basic ... but if Officeholder isn't > > actually a switch ---ok Aris, now that's the sort of thing you can call > > a crisis. > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > CoE: The Distributor is an office. > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:26 PM Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: > > > > > =Metareport= > > > > > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > > > > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > > > Date of last report: 2018-07-02 > > > > > > Date of this report: 2018-07-08 > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > Filled offices: 10/13 (76.92%) > > > > > > Total officers: 7 > > > > > > Consolidation[1]: 1.43 > > > > > > Late reports: 3/10 (30.00%) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > > > > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > > > > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > > > > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > > > > > > > > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-18 2018-01-18 > > > > > > Arbitor Murphy 2018-01-28 2018-01-28 > > > > > > Assessor G. 2018-02-06 2018-02-27 > > > > > > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24 (never) > > > > > > Herald *G. 2018-06-25 (ongoing) > > > > > > Prime Minister *(vacant) 2018-07-05[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-21 2017-09-21 > > > > > > Referee VJ Rada 2018-07-02 2018-07-02 > > > > > > Registrar *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > Rulekeepor *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] 2018-07-08 > > > > > > Speaker G. 2018-07-02 2014-04-21 > > > > > > Tailor ATMunn 2018-05-09 2018-05-09 > > > > > > Treasuror twg 2018-06-24 2018-06-24 > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) > > > > > > [2] Vacant since this date > > > > > > [3] Currently imposed > > > > > > WEEKLY REPORTS > > > > > > Office Report Last Published Late[1] > > > > > > > > > ADoP Offices 2018-07-02[2] > > > > > > Arbitor Judicial matters 2018-07-08 > > > > > > Cartographor Land of Arcadia 2018-07-02 > > > > > > Herald Matters of Honour 2018-07-05 > > > > > > Promotor Proposal pool 2018-07-05 > > > > > > Referee Rule violations 2018-06-24 ! > > > > > > Registrar Players, Fora 2018-06-24 (vacant) > > > > > > Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2018-06-12 (vacant) > > > > > > Treasuror Coins, other currencies 2018-07-04 > > > > > > > > >
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I think that does work, so then we just need to ratify that omd is the holder. On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 6:19 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > It's rule 1006, "Offices", that says Officeholder is a switch, and it's rule > 2162, "Switches", that (indirectly) says it's not. Rule 1030, "Precedence > between Rules", gives a handy algorithm for resolving contradictions between > rules: > - Compare their powers (Not useful, they're both power 2.0) > - Do they both defer to a different rule for determining precedence? (No, not > as far as I can see) > - Does one rule state that it defers to the other? (No) > - Compare their ID numbers (So rule 1006 takes precedence over rule 2162.) > > Since the "Offices" rule takes precedence, Officeholder is a switch, > regardless of what the "Switches" rule has to say about it. At least I think > that's how it works. Someone should probably check my logic. > > (Of course, we should probably remove the contradiction - and probably > increase the power of 2162 because this seems like a prolific source of > loopholes - but I don't believe there's anything to immediately panic about.) > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On July 8, 2018 9:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Erk. > > > > If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the > > > > Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default > > > > value. > > > > EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for > > > > Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as the > > > > default (questionable), or Officeholder isn't a Switch at all, because by > > > > R2162(2), a switch must designate a default value in order to be a switch. > > > > Dunno if I'm missing something basic ... but if Officeholder isn't > > > > actually a switch ---ok Aris, now that's the sort of thing you can call > > > > a crisis. > > > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > > > CoE: The Distributor is an office. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:26 PM Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: > > > > > > > =Metareport= > > > > > > > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > > > > > > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > > > > > Date of last report: 2018-07-02 > > > > > > > > Date of this report: 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > > > Filled offices: 10/13 (76.92%) > > > > > > > > Total officers: 7 > > > > > > > > Consolidation[1]: 1.43 > > > > > > > > Late reports: 3/10 (30.00%) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > > > > > > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > > > > > > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > > > > > > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > > > > > > > > > > > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-18 2018-01-18 > > > > > > > > Arbitor Murphy 2018-01-28 2018-01-28 > > > > > > > > Assessor G. 2018-02-06 2018-02-27 > > > > > > > > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24 (never) > > > > > > > > Herald *G. 2018-06-25 (ongoing) > > > > > > > > Prime Minister *(vacant) 2018-07-05[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-21 2017-09-21 > > > > > > > > Referee VJ Rada 2018-07-02 2018-07-02 > > > > > > > > Registrar *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > > > Rulekeepor *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > Speaker G. 2018-07-02 2014-04-21 > > > > > > > > Tailor ATMunn 2018-05-09 2018-05-09 > > > > > > > > Treasuror twg 2018-06-24 2018-06-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected) > > > > > > > > [2] Vacant since this date > > > > > > > > [3] Currently imposed > > > > > > > > WEEKLY REPORTS > > > > > > > > Office Report Last Published Late[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > ADoP Offices 2018-07-02[2] > > > > > > > > Arbitor Judicial matters 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > Cartographor Land of Arcadia 2018-07-02 > > > > > > > > Herald Matters of Honour 2018-07-05 > > > > > > > > Promotor Proposal pool 2018-07-05 > > > > > > > > Referee Rule violations 2018-06-24 ! > > > > > > > > Registrar Players, Fora 2018-
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
This is a very interesting case. I'm not sure your logic works because R2162 contains the *definition* of a switch, and rules that use terms defined elsewhere (like R1006) inherently *defer* to their definitions if the definitions are of the same power. (combo of R1030 and R217). Think about it this way, for this exact situation: what exactly has the Distributor officeholder switch self-ratified as? The switch rule states that report, by not containing "Distributor" officeholder switch, implies that Distributor is at its "default value". But no default is defined so... what did it ratify to? If you don't use the R2162 definition, you get some kind of indeterminate/unknown value...? On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > It's rule 1006, "Offices", that says Officeholder is a switch, and it's rule > 2162, "Switches", that (indirectly) says it's not. Rule 1030, "Precedence > between Rules", gives a handy algorithm for resolving contradictions between > rules: > - Compare their powers (Not useful, they're both power 2.0) > - Do they both defer to a different rule for determining precedence? (No, not > as far as I can see) > - Does one rule state that it defers to the other? (No) > - Compare their ID numbers (So rule 1006 takes precedence over rule 2162.) > > Since the "Offices" rule takes precedence, Officeholder is a switch, > regardless of what the "Switches" rule has to say about it. At least I think > that's how it works. Someone should probably check my logic. > > (Of course, we should probably remove the contradiction - and probably > increase the power of 2162 because this seems like a prolific source of > loopholes - but I don't believe there's anything to immediately panic about.) > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On July 8, 2018 9:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Erk. > > > > If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the > > > > Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default > > > > value. > > > > EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for > > > > Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as the > > > > default (questionable), or Officeholder isn't a Switch at all, because by > > > > R2162(2), a switch must designate a default value in order to be a switch. > > > > Dunno if I'm missing something basic ... but if Officeholder isn't > > > > actually a switch ---ok Aris, now that's the sort of thing you can call > > > > a crisis. > > > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > > > CoE: The Distributor is an office. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:26 PM Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: > > > > > > > =Metareport= > > > > > > > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > > > > > > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > > > > > Date of last report: 2018-07-02 > > > > > > > > Date of this report: 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > > > Filled offices: 10/13 (76.92%) > > > > > > > > Total officers: 7 > > > > > > > > Consolidation[1]: 1.43 > > > > > > > > Late reports: 3/10 (30.00%) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > > > > > > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > > > > > > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > > > > > > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > > > > > > > > > > > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-18 2018-01-18 > > > > > > > > Arbitor Murphy 2018-01-28 2018-01-28 > > > > > > > > Assessor G. 2018-02-06 2018-02-27 > > > > > > > > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24 (never) > > > > > > > > Herald *G. 2018-06-25 (ongoing) > > > > > > > > Prime Minister *(vacant) 2018-07-05[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-21 2017-09-21 > > > > > > > > Referee VJ Rada 2018-07-02 2018-07-02 > > > > > > > > Registrar *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > > > Rulekeepor *(vacant) 2018-07-01[2] 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > Speaker G. 2018-07-02 2014-04-21 > > > > > > > > Tailor ATMunn 2018-05-09 2018-05-09 > > > > > > > > Treasuror twg 2018-06-24 2018-06-24 > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
And, er, taking this to its conclusion: If Officeholder is a switch without a default value, then a Weekly Report can't imply that any switches left off the list are at their default value (because there is no default value). Therefore such a document isn't purporting to be a a list of switches, it's purporting to be a partial list of switches. Therefore, it was never subject to self- ratification. And in a poof of technical-correctness the crisis entirely disappears... On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This is a very interesting case. I'm not sure your logic works > because R2162 contains the *definition* of a switch, and rules that > use terms defined elsewhere (like R1006) inherently *defer* to their > definitions if the definitions are of the same power. (combo of R1030 > and R217). > > Think about it this way, for this exact situation: what exactly has > the Distributor officeholder switch self-ratified as? The switch rule > states that report, by not containing "Distributor" officeholder switch, > implies that Distributor is at its "default value". But no default is > defined so... what did it ratify to? If you don't use the R2162 > definition, you get some kind of indeterminate/unknown value...? > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > It's rule 1006, "Offices", that says Officeholder is a switch, and it's > > rule 2162, "Switches", that (indirectly) says it's not. Rule 1030, > > "Precedence between Rules", gives a handy algorithm for resolving > > contradictions between rules: > > - Compare their powers (Not useful, they're both power 2.0) > > - Do they both defer to a different rule for determining precedence? (No, > > not as far as I can see) > > - Does one rule state that it defers to the other? (No) > > - Compare their ID numbers (So rule 1006 takes precedence over rule 2162.) > > > > Since the "Offices" rule takes precedence, Officeholder is a switch, > > regardless of what the "Switches" rule has to say about it. At least I > > think that's how it works. Someone should probably check my logic. > > > > (Of course, we should probably remove the contradiction - and probably > > increase the power of 2162 because this seems like a prolific source of > > loopholes - but I don't believe there's anything to immediately panic > > about.) > > > > -twg > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On July 8, 2018 9:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Erk. > > > > > > If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the > > > > > > Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default > > > > > > value. > > > > > > EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for > > > > > > Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as the > > > > > > default (questionable), or Officeholder isn't a Switch at all, because by > > > > > > R2162(2), a switch must designate a default value in order to be a switch. > > > > > > Dunno if I'm missing something basic ... but if Officeholder isn't > > > > > > actually a switch ---ok Aris, now that's the sort of thing you can call > > > > > > a crisis. > > > > > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > > > > > CoE: The Distributor is an office. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:26 PM Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > =Metareport= > > > > > > > > > > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > > > > > > > > > > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > > > > > > > > > Date of last report: 2018-07-02 > > > > > > > > > > Date of this report: 2018-07-08 > > > > > > > > > > MISCELLANEOUS INFO > > > > > > > > > > Filled offices: 10/13 (76.92%) > > > > > > > > > > Total officers: 7 > > > > > > > > > > Consolidation[1]: 1.43 > > > > > > > > > > Late reports: 3/10 (30.00%) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of > > > > > > > > > > officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different > > > > > > > > > > players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean > > > > > > > > > > that all offices are filled by one player. > > > > > > > > > > OFFICES > > > > > > > > > > Office Holder[1] Since Last Election > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADoP Murphy 2018-01-18 2018-01-18 > > > > > > > > > > Arbitor Murphy 2018-01-28 2018-01-28 > > > > > > > > > > Assessor G. 2018-02-06 2018-02-27 > > > > > > > > > > Cartographor Trigon 2018-02-24 (never) > > > > > > > > > > Herald *G. 2018-06-25 (ongoing) > > > > > > > > > > Prime Minister *(vacant) 2018-07-05[2] (ongoing) > > > > > > > > > > Promotor Aris 2016-10-21 2017-09-21 > > > > > > > > > > Referee VJ Rada 2018-07-02 2018-07-02 > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
Additional nit: Text of R2154 now has 1. and 2. not a. and b. See below from current slr: https://agoranomic.github.io/ruleset/slr.txt Rule 2154/49 (Power=2) Election Procedure A player CAN initiate an election for a specified elected office for which no election is already in progress 1. by announcement, if e is the ADoP, if the office has been deputised for within the past two weeks, or if no election has been initiated for the office either since the last time a player won the game or within the past 90 days; 2. with 4 Supporters, otherwise. After the election is initiated, any player CAN once initiate an Agoran decision to determine the new officeholder, and the ADoP SHALL do so in a timely fashion if no one else does first. For this decision, the valid options are the players, the vote collector is the ADoP, and the voting method is instant runoff. Upon the resolution of this decision, its outcome, if a player, is installed into office, and the election ends. On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM Quazie wrote: > Since is useful for a number of things - such as Ribbons, Patent Titles, > and the like. > > History is also missing from the Prime Minister and Speaker happenings, > though I don't really care about that missing (as missing events don't > matter for ratification) > > I also would like, though don't demand, a history of reported events, > though once again that might be asking for a lot. > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM Nic Evans wrote: > >> On 05/26/2017 03:43 PM, Quazie wrote: >> > COE Many new SINCE dates are wrong, such as my prime minister, your >> > speaker, and ais' arbitor. >> > >> >> Accepted. I used the wrong clock. Now to decide if I want to correct >> them or just remove them... >> >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
I think Game custom indicates that it is fine.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Aris Merchant
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Quazie wrote:
>>
>> ACCEPTED: Though I still have some doubts about your formatting, as it's not
>> 100% certain that your e-mails are 'Purporting to be a Promotor's report' as
>> the rules indicate they should, especially when the e-mails seemed to be
>> predominantly Distributions on first glance.. I don't wanna inject a CFJ
>> into my life, but i request you note that the message are indeed Promotor
>> Reports to eliminate ambiguity in the future. I'll update this soon.
>>
>>
>> {{{
>>
>> The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals in the
>> Proposal Pool, along with their text and attributes. This
>> portion of a public document purporting to be a Promotor's
>> report is self-ratifying.
>>
>> }}}
>>
>> My question is, if the document doesn't purport to be a Promotor's report,
>> is it still the Promotor's report, and is it still self-ratifying?
>
> I think it does purport to be a Promotor's report, as a matter of game
> custom. This has been the way promotor's reports have been done since
> at least some time in 2014, and probably before that. I think this has
> been reasonably unambiguous to everyone before now. I'd like to avoid
> unnecessary changes. I've made only two formatting changes to these
> reports since I entered office. The first was to add "and removing it
> from the proposal pool" to the header boilerplate, and the second was
> to add the pender and pend fee data. I'll CFJ this if necessary, but
> I'd like to avoid it if we can reach a consensus. What do other's
> think?
>
> -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > I won't accept or deny this until e responds. > > Unrelated, are you voting on the elections other than Herald? Yah I'll vote when I see if there's multiple people who want any of these or not. competitive elections are more fun :)
