Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[Josh T]

We could use the Unicode collation algorithm, I guess. Your point is noted
however.

天火狐

On 14 September 2017 at 23:46, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> >
> > I believe that the term "alphabetical order" can be used to mean
> "lexicographical order", of which increasing unicode codepoint values is a
> naturalistic choice.
>
> Objection: ‘alphonse’ generally comes before ‘Bob’ in an alphabetical
> list. Hence my question about your name: I suspected someone would apply
> “lexical order” but my name comes significantly after VJ Rada’s name by
> that standard, and I’m not convinced it should.
>
> Generally, If we mean lexical order, we should say so. Collation is a hard
> problem and using terms fuzzily only makes it harder.
>
> -o
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[Josh T]

I believe that the term "alphabetical order" can be used to mean
"lexicographical order", of which increasing unicode codepoint values is a
naturalistic choice.

天火狐

On 14 September 2017 at 20:19, grok (caleb vines) 
wrote:

> For reference: if you resolve that vote as present and that vote causes
> PSS to be elected, I will probably CFJ the assessment.
>
>
> -grok
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 7:15 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>
> I would say use eir preferred English character titles but there are
> two different ones which start with different letters. I guess if
> there is a tie here, I would resolve as PRESENT due to ambiguity.
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > There isn't one. For anyone who wants to try this, I'd suggest
> > ascending order of unicode code points. In fact, I may propose making
> > a rule that defines alphabetical order that way.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.
> >>
> >> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
> >> determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
> >> Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
> >> Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
> >> are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
> >> 2.0.
> >>
> >> --
> >> >From V.J Rada
> >>
> >>
> >> In the election for registrar , I vote for the player with the most
> votes
> >> that is not the incumbent, using alphabetical order as a tiebreaker.
> >>
> >>
> >> What is the alphabetical ordering of 天火狐 with respect to myself, and
> why?
> >>
> >> -o
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[grok (caleb vines)]

For reference: if you resolve that vote as present and that vote causes PSS
to be elected, I will probably CFJ the assessment.


-grok

On Sep 14, 2017 7:15 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:

I would say use eir preferred English character titles but there are
two different ones which start with different letters. I guess if
there is a tie here, I would resolve as PRESENT due to ambiguity.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> There isn't one. For anyone who wants to try this, I'd suggest
> ascending order of unicode code points. In fact, I may propose making
> a rule that defines alphabetical order that way.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) 
wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>>
>> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.
>>
>> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
>> determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
>> Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
>> Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
>> are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
>> 2.0.
>>
>> --
>> >From V.J Rada
>>
>>
>> In the election for registrar , I vote for the player with the most votes
>> that is not the incumbent, using alphabetical order as a tiebreaker.
>>
>>
>> What is the alphabetical ordering of 天火狐 with respect to myself, and why?
>>
>> -o
>>



--
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[VJ Rada]

I would say use eir preferred English character titles but there are
two different ones which start with different letters. I guess if
there is a tie here, I would resolve as PRESENT due to ambiguity.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> There isn't one. For anyone who wants to try this, I'd suggest
> ascending order of unicode code points. In fact, I may propose making
> a rule that defines alphabetical order that way.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines)  wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>>
>> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.
>>
>> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
>> determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
>> Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
>> Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
>> are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
>> 2.0.
>>
>> --
>> >From V.J Rada
>>
>>
>> In the election for registrar , I vote for the player with the most votes
>> that is not the incumbent, using alphabetical order as a tiebreaker.
>>
>>
>> What is the alphabetical ordering of 天火狐 with respect to myself, and why?
>>
>> -o
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[grok (caleb vines)]

On Sep 14, 2017 7:01 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:


On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines)  wrote:

On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:

Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.

I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
2.0.

--
>From V.J Rada


In the election for registrar , I vote for the player with the most votes
that is not the incumbent, using alphabetical order as a tiebreaker.


What is the alphabetical ordering of 天火狐 with respect to myself, and why?

-o


Hopefully that will not be information required to resolve my vote. If it
is, it'll be a fun exercise for a lucky judge.


-grok

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[Aris Merchant]

There isn't one. For anyone who wants to try this, I'd suggest
ascending order of unicode code points. In fact, I may propose making
a rule that defines alphabetical order that way.

-Aris

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines)  wrote:
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>
> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.
>
> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
> determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
> Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
> Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
> are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
> 2.0.
>
> --
> >From V.J Rada
>
>
> In the election for registrar , I vote for the player with the most votes
> that is not the incumbent, using alphabetical order as a tiebreaker.
>
>
> What is the alphabetical ordering of 天火狐 with respect to myself, and why?
>
> -o
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines)  wrote:
> 
> On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada"  > wrote:
> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.
> 
> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
> determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
> Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
> Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
> are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
> 2.0.
> 
> --
> >From V.J Rada
> 
> In the election for registrar , I vote for the player with the most votes 
> that is not the incumbent, using alphabetical order as a tiebreaker.

What is the alphabetical ordering of 天火狐 with respect to myself, and why?

-o



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DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> Superintendent, Surveyor:
> {
>  PRESENT,
>  Incumbent of that office if e votes for emself first on eir list of options,
>  the first person (in time) to vote for emself first (on eir list of options)
> }.
> 
> Comment:
> 
> I have no idea how to handle PRESENT in runoff voting.  Is it a replacement
> for the whole list, or is it an option on the list?  If it's the first option
> on a ranked voting, is PRESENT "eliminated" if it doesn't win, so my vote 
> doesn't
> end up counting towards quorum?  And what happens if PRESENT is the majority?
> is everyone else eliminated?  I'm not sure if the "standard definition of 
> instant
> runoff" covers this.   So let's test that in some slightly-less essential 
> offices.
> Fun!!

It seems clear to me that PRESENT in an IR vote should be the entire ballot, 
not a single entry in the ballot. PRESENT has, under Agoran tradition, mean 
“Count me towards quorum, but not towards any specific outcome.”

Agora's IRV system is currently almost entirely “common definition,” though, 
and I don’t believe there’s any obvious common definition that permits PRESENT 
or any similar non-option mid-ballot.

-o



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DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I vote for myself for the Registrar and endorse the incumbent in all other 
elections.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Quazie  wrote:
> 
> In all elections opened in the quoted message I vote [Present]
> 
> In all elections opened in the quoted message I vote :
> {
>   [
>The Incumbent, unless the Incumbent is VJ Rada,
>Whoever first votes for emself, unless that player is VJ Rada,
>Endorse G, unless that leads to voting for VJ Rada
>   ]
> }
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:22 PM VJ Rada  wrote:
> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist.
> 
> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the
> determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the
> Promotor, the Referee, the Registrar, the Surveyor, and the
> Rulekeepor. These elections are either legal under the 90 day rule or
> are vacant offices. The vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is
> 2.0.
> 
> --
> From V.J Rada



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