Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
I'm working on a report which will be ready tomorrow or the day after. Y'all can feel free to post one earlier (or later) though, especially as it's kind of a mess and I'm not 100% sure I'll have it right. ~Corona On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any volunteers? > > -Aris > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:21 PM Ned Strange > wrote: > > > I have all my assets back but I have no idea how many lol. Treasurors > > are important. > > > > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Kerim Aydin > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2018, Corona wrote: > > >> Consent - Rule 2519, maybe? > > > > > > The thing is, I think it requires a contract to pass on act-on-behalf, > > > and quazie can't consent or sign a contract? I really dunno. Someone > > > else have an idea if one-sided consent be given by some mechanism, that > > > a zombie can then use? > > > > > >> Is that so? I can just destroy the assets myself tomorrow, I'm about > to > > >> hit the hay now. > > > > > > Thanks for being willing to destroy assets :). Main concern is if > things > > > get so unbalanced it makes land for the next weeks/months unplayable, > > there > > > should be a bit of a reset (while still giving you some reasonable > amount > > > of nifty profits for finding the loophole). Genuinely, without any > > > Treasuror reports I have absolutely no idea where we are, it felt like > > > that last set of actions crossed the line to needing some reset but > > IDK... > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > > >> > > I give consent to Quazie to transfer... assets from any of my > > facilities > > >> > > to emself until the end of this month. > > >> > > > >> > How do you give consent? > > >> > > > >> > But more importantly, this has firmly passed my threshold of abuse > > too. > > >> > > > >> > Corona, once a bug has been pointed out, it's generally considered > to > > be > > >> > poor form to keep exploiting it while fixes are being worked out. > > >> > > > >> > Similar in principle to fixing V.J. Rada's contract mistake, I would > > vote > > >> > for a range of options that directly strip the gains from Corona due > > to > > >> > continued exploitation of this loophole (allowing keeping of the > first > > >> > message's gains). Hard for me to write such a proposal as I haven't > > been > > >> > tracking quantities. > > >> > > > >> > -G. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
Any volunteers? -Aris On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:21 PM Ned Strange wrote: > I have all my assets back but I have no idea how many lol. Treasurors > are important. > > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2018, Corona wrote: > >> Consent - Rule 2519, maybe? > > > > The thing is, I think it requires a contract to pass on act-on-behalf, > > and quazie can't consent or sign a contract? I really dunno. Someone > > else have an idea if one-sided consent be given by some mechanism, that > > a zombie can then use? > > > >> Is that so? I can just destroy the assets myself tomorrow, I'm about to > >> hit the hay now. > > > > Thanks for being willing to destroy assets :). Main concern is if things > > get so unbalanced it makes land for the next weeks/months unplayable, > there > > should be a bit of a reset (while still giving you some reasonable amount > > of nifty profits for finding the loophole). Genuinely, without any > > Treasuror reports I have absolutely no idea where we are, it felt like > > that last set of actions crossed the line to needing some reset but > IDK... > > > > > >> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > >> > > I give consent to Quazie to transfer... assets from any of my > facilities > >> > > to emself until the end of this month. > >> > > >> > How do you give consent? > >> > > >> > But more importantly, this has firmly passed my threshold of abuse > too. > >> > > >> > Corona, once a bug has been pointed out, it's generally considered to > be > >> > poor form to keep exploiting it while fixes are being worked out. > >> > > >> > Similar in principle to fixing V.J. Rada's contract mistake, I would > vote > >> > for a range of options that directly strip the gains from Corona due > to > >> > continued exploitation of this loophole (allowing keeping of the first > >> > message's gains). Hard for me to write such a proposal as I haven't > been > >> > tracking quantities. > >> > > >> > -G. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
I have all my assets back but I have no idea how many lol. Treasurors are important. On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 May 2018, Corona wrote: >> Consent - Rule 2519, maybe? > > The thing is, I think it requires a contract to pass on act-on-behalf, > and quazie can't consent or sign a contract? I really dunno. Someone > else have an idea if one-sided consent be given by some mechanism, that > a zombie can then use? > >> Is that so? I can just destroy the assets myself tomorrow, I'm about to >> hit the hay now. > > Thanks for being willing to destroy assets :). Main concern is if things > get so unbalanced it makes land for the next weeks/months unplayable, there > should be a bit of a reset (while still giving you some reasonable amount > of nifty profits for finding the loophole). Genuinely, without any > Treasuror reports I have absolutely no idea where we are, it felt like > that last set of actions crossed the line to needing some reset but IDK... > > >> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: >> > > I give consent to Quazie to transfer... assets from any of my facilities >> > > to emself until the end of this month. >> > >> > How do you give consent? >> > >> > But more importantly, this has firmly passed my threshold of abuse too. >> > >> > Corona, once a bug has been pointed out, it's generally considered to be >> > poor form to keep exploiting it while fixes are being worked out. >> > >> > Similar in principle to fixing V.J. Rada's contract mistake, I would vote >> > for a range of options that directly strip the gains from Corona due to >> > continued exploitation of this loophole (allowing keeping of the first >> > message's gains). Hard for me to write such a proposal as I haven't been >> > tracking quantities. >> > >> > -G. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
On Tue, 1 May 2018, Corona wrote: > Consent - Rule 2519, maybe? The thing is, I think it requires a contract to pass on act-on-behalf, and quazie can't consent or sign a contract? I really dunno. Someone else have an idea if one-sided consent be given by some mechanism, that a zombie can then use? > Is that so? I can just destroy the assets myself tomorrow, I'm about to > hit the hay now. Thanks for being willing to destroy assets :). Main concern is if things get so unbalanced it makes land for the next weeks/months unplayable, there should be a bit of a reset (while still giving you some reasonable amount of nifty profits for finding the loophole). Genuinely, without any Treasuror reports I have absolutely no idea where we are, it felt like that last set of actions crossed the line to needing some reset but IDK... > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > > > I give consent to Quazie to transfer... assets from any of my facilities > > > to emself until the end of this month. > > > > How do you give consent? > > > > But more importantly, this has firmly passed my threshold of abuse too. > > > > Corona, once a bug has been pointed out, it's generally considered to be > > poor form to keep exploiting it while fixes are being worked out. > > > > Similar in principle to fixing V.J. Rada's contract mistake, I would vote > > for a range of options that directly strip the gains from Corona due to > > continued exploitation of this loophole (allowing keeping of the first > > message's gains). Hard for me to write such a proposal as I haven't been > > tracking quantities. > > > > -G. > > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
Consent - Rule 2519, maybe? Is that so? I can just destroy the assets myself tomorrow, I'm about to hit the hay now. ~Corona On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > > I give consent to Quazie to transfer... assets from any of my facilities > > to emself until the end of this month. > > How do you give consent? > > But more importantly, this has firmly passed my threshold of abuse too. > > Corona, once a bug has been pointed out, it's generally considered to be > poor form to keep exploiting it while fixes are being worked out. > > Similar in principle to fixing V.J. Rada's contract mistake, I would vote > for a range of options that directly strip the gains from Corona due to > continued exploitation of this loophole (allowing keeping of the first > message's gains). Hard for me to write such a proposal as I haven't been > tracking quantities. > > -G. > > > >
DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > I give consent to Quazie to transfer... assets from any of my facilities > to emself until the end of this month. How do you give consent? But more importantly, this has firmly passed my threshold of abuse too. Corona, once a bug has been pointed out, it's generally considered to be poor form to keep exploiting it while fixes are being worked out. Similar in principle to fixing V.J. Rada's contract mistake, I would vote for a range of options that directly strip the gains from Corona due to continued exploitation of this loophole (allowing keeping of the first message's gains). Hard for me to write such a proposal as I haven't been tracking quantities. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
I'm confused too, that's why I had to do this whole conditional thing, and
I couldn't converge the gamestate, because I bought (using the maybe-scam)
all these upgrades that I can't *actually* pay for by destroying assets.
I favor the "pay w/o destination = transfer to anyone" interpretation,
since a "pretty strong implication" (see the "doesn't THIS apply to "pay"
without a destination?" thread) is not enough to warrant the other
interpretation.
~Corona
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Reuben Staley
wrote:
> I'm not going to pretend like I'm smart enough to know what we've decided
> to do about the whole pay-without-a-target thing, so if someone wants to
> explain which of these actions happened, I would really appreciate it. If
> there is no solution because there's been no consensus, then someone tell
> me what I should even do for this week's Map. Please and thank you.
>
>
> On 04/29/2018 04:22 PM, Corona wrote:
>
>> Just now I found out that you can upgrade only your own facilities, a bit
>> weird when you consider that you don't even need the owner's consent to
>> build them.
>>
>> I transfer the Land Unit (1,-2), the facility located there, 11 coins, 6
>> lumber and 7 stones to Quazie.
>>
>> #retry free upgrade, in case it works
>>
>> I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
>> curly braces: {
>> Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of Quazie’s
>> stones to Corona to increase the rank of the refinery at (1,-2) to 2. Pay
>> 6 of
>> Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona to
>> increase the rank of that refinery to 3. Transfer all of Quazie's assets,
>> except the Land Unit at (1,-2) or the facility located there, to Corona.
>> }
>>
>> ---Contingency Capitalism---
>>
>> If the rank of the mine at (0,2) is exactly 1, I destroy 3 coins and 2
>> lumber to increase its rank to 2.
>>
>> I destroy 2 apples to set the Land Type of the Land Unit (2,1) to Black. I
>> destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (1,1). I
>> transfer all assets from the facility at (1,1) to myself. I destroy an
>> apple to move to (2,1).
>>
>> I destroy 5 stones to build an orchard at (2,1). I pay 3 coins and 2
>> stones
>> to Quazie to increase the rank of that orchard to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4
>> stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that orchard to 3. I act on
>> behalf
>> of Quazie to transfer all eir assets, except the Land Unit at (1,-2) or
>> the
>> facility located there, to me. If the rank of the orchard at (2,1) is
>> exactly 1, I destroy 3 coins and 2 stones to increase its rank to 2.
>>
>> If the rank of the refinery at at (1,-2) is exactly 1, I perform all
>> actions enclosed within the following curly braces: {
>> I transfer 5 coins, 3 lumber and 2 stones to Quazie. I act on behalf of
>> Quazie to destroy 5 of Quazie's coins, 3 of Quazie's lumber and 2 of
>> Quazie's stones to increase the rank of the refinery at (1,-2) to 2.
>> }
>>
>> I transfer 5 ore to Quazie. I act on behalf of Quazie to transfer 5 of
>> Quazie's ore to the refinery at (1,-2).
>> I act on behalf of Quazie to transfer all of Quazie's assets to myself.
>>
>> ~Corona
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Corona
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
>>>
>>> I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (0,2).
>>>
>>> I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber
>>> to
>>> Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4 lumber
>>> to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4 lumber
>>> and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
>>>
>>> I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
>>>
>>> I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
>>> curly braces: {
>>>
>>> Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
>>> Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s apples
>>> to
>>> move Quazie to (1,-2).
>>>
>>> Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a refinery
>>> at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of
>>> Quazie’s
>>> stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
>>> Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona
>>> to
>>> increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
>>>
>>> Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Corona
>>>
>>>
> --
> Trigon
>
DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
I'm not going to pretend like I'm smart enough to know what we've
decided to do about the whole pay-without-a-target thing, so if someone
wants to explain which of these actions happened, I would really
appreciate it. If there is no solution because there's been no
consensus, then someone tell me what I should even do for this week's
Map. Please and thank you.
On 04/29/2018 04:22 PM, Corona wrote:
Just now I found out that you can upgrade only your own facilities, a bit
weird when you consider that you don't even need the owner's consent to
build them.
I transfer the Land Unit (1,-2), the facility located there, 11 coins, 6
lumber and 7 stones to Quazie.
#retry free upgrade, in case it works
I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
curly braces: {
Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of Quazie’s
stones to Corona to increase the rank of the refinery at (1,-2) to 2. Pay
6 of
Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona to
increase the rank of that refinery to 3. Transfer all of Quazie's assets,
except the Land Unit at (1,-2) or the facility located there, to Corona.
}
---Contingency Capitalism---
If the rank of the mine at (0,2) is exactly 1, I destroy 3 coins and 2
lumber to increase its rank to 2.
I destroy 2 apples to set the Land Type of the Land Unit (2,1) to Black. I
destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (1,1). I
transfer all assets from the facility at (1,1) to myself. I destroy an
apple to move to (2,1).
I destroy 5 stones to build an orchard at (2,1). I pay 3 coins and 2 stones
to Quazie to increase the rank of that orchard to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4
stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that orchard to 3. I act on behalf
of Quazie to transfer all eir assets, except the Land Unit at (1,-2) or the
facility located there, to me. If the rank of the orchard at (2,1) is
exactly 1, I destroy 3 coins and 2 stones to increase its rank to 2.
If the rank of the refinery at at (1,-2) is exactly 1, I perform all
actions enclosed within the following curly braces: {
I transfer 5 coins, 3 lumber and 2 stones to Quazie. I act on behalf of
Quazie to destroy 5 of Quazie's coins, 3 of Quazie's lumber and 2 of
Quazie's stones to increase the rank of the refinery at (1,-2) to 2.
}
I transfer 5 ore to Quazie. I act on behalf of Quazie to transfer 5 of
Quazie's ore to the refinery at (1,-2).
I act on behalf of Quazie to transfer all of Quazie's assets to myself.
~Corona
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Corona wrote:
Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (0,2).
I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber to
Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4 lumber
to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4 lumber
and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
curly braces: {
Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to
move Quazie to (1,-2).
Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a refinery
at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of Quazie’s
stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona to
increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
}
~Corona
--
Trigon
DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
You're not supposed to be able to build a facility without consent
though. Just another case of me screwing up.
On 4/29/2018 4:22 PM, Corona wrote:
Just now I found out that you can upgrade only your own facilities, a bit
weird when you consider that you don't even need the owner's consent to
build them.
I transfer the Land Unit (1,-2), the facility located there, 11 coins, 6
lumber and 7 stones to Quazie.
#retry free upgrade, in case it works
I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
curly braces: {
Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of Quazie’s
stones to Corona to increase the rank of the refinery at (1,-2) to 2. Pay
6 of
Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona to
increase the rank of that refinery to 3. Transfer all of Quazie's assets,
except the Land Unit at (1,-2) or the facility located there, to Corona.
}
---Contingency Capitalism---
If the rank of the mine at (0,2) is exactly 1, I destroy 3 coins and 2
lumber to increase its rank to 2.
I destroy 2 apples to set the Land Type of the Land Unit (2,1) to Black. I
destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (1,1). I
transfer all assets from the facility at (1,1) to myself. I destroy an
apple to move to (2,1).
I destroy 5 stones to build an orchard at (2,1). I pay 3 coins and 2 stones
to Quazie to increase the rank of that orchard to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4
stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that orchard to 3. I act on behalf
of Quazie to transfer all eir assets, except the Land Unit at (1,-2) or the
facility located there, to me. If the rank of the orchard at (2,1) is
exactly 1, I destroy 3 coins and 2 stones to increase its rank to 2.
If the rank of the refinery at at (1,-2) is exactly 1, I perform all
actions enclosed within the following curly braces: {
I transfer 5 coins, 3 lumber and 2 stones to Quazie. I act on behalf of
Quazie to destroy 5 of Quazie's coins, 3 of Quazie's lumber and 2 of
Quazie's stones to increase the rank of the refinery at (1,-2) to 2.
}
I transfer 5 ore to Quazie. I act on behalf of Quazie to transfer 5 of
Quazie's ore to the refinery at (1,-2).
I act on behalf of Quazie to transfer all of Quazie's assets to myself.
~Corona
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Corona wrote:
Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (0,2).
I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber to
Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4 lumber
to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4 lumber
and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
curly braces: {
Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to
move Quazie to (1,-2).
Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a refinery
at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of Quazie’s
stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona to
increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
}
~Corona
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Trigon
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
The scam comes from here:
A player CAN increase the rank of a facility e owns that is at eir
location by exactly 1 by announcement by paying any upgrade costs
of the facility for that specific rank.
"Pay" doesn't say "pay to Agora". And the Assets rule says "Pay" is a
synonym for "transfer". So Corona "paid" for the land upgrades by
transferring the upgrade costs to Quazie (instead of paying Agora).
Then Quazie "paid" for upgrade costs by transferring the upgrade costs
to Corona.
This didn't need zombies to work - any two players could have set this
up for mutual profit (or a contract could have been used). Zombies made
it extra-plus convenient though.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> I don't see how it is a scam though.
>
> On 4/26/2018 3:14 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > Just for people who look in the future but don't read other threads, and as
> > a form of penance: ignore what I said about there not being a scam. I was
> > being tired/stupid and apparently didn't read the text. So ignore the first
> > two sentences of by below message, although the rest is still true.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:26 PM Aris Merchant <
> > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, it's way too easy to reach high ranks with facilities. This isn't a
> > > scam, or even clearly abusive, but I think we probably need to fix it with
> > > a proposal of some sort. There are other ways of fixing it though,
> > > including perhaps forming a collective to defeat the capitalists and take
> > > back the means of production for the proletariat. The thing I'm most
> > > concerned about is zombie auctions, because that's the only was I can see
> > > of levering this into a dictatorship. Thoughts on appropriate remedies for
> > > this situation?
> > >
> > > -Aris
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:12 PM Reuben Staley
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate... everything about this message. And to think I'm behind all of
> > > > it,
> > > > too, at least indirectly.
> > > >
> > > > Ah well. It was inevitable. Have fun being the most powerful person in
> > > > the
> > > > game.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 23:24 Corona wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to
> > > > (0,2).
> > > > >
> > > > > I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2
> > > > > lumber
> > > > to
> > > > > Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4
> > > > lumber
> > > > > to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4
> > > > lumber
> > > > > and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
> > > > >
> > > > > I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the
> > > > following
> > > > > curly braces: {
> > > > >
> > > > > Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one
> > > > > of
> > > > > Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s
> > > > apples to
> > > > > move Quazie to (1,-2).
> > > > >
> > > > > Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a
> > > > refinery
> > > > > at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of
> > > > Quazie’s
> > > > > stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
> > > > > Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to
> > > > > Corona
> > > > to
> > > > > increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
> > > > >
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Corona
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
I don't see how it is a scam though.
On 4/26/2018 3:14 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Just for people who look in the future but don't read other threads, and as
a form of penance: ignore what I said about there not being a scam. I was
being tired/stupid and apparently didn't read the text. So ignore the first
two sentences of by below message, although the rest is still true.
-Aris
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:26 PM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, it's way too easy to reach high ranks with facilities. This isn't a
scam, or even clearly abusive, but I think we probably need to fix it with
a proposal of some sort. There are other ways of fixing it though,
including perhaps forming a collective to defeat the capitalists and take
back the means of production for the proletariat. The thing I'm most
concerned about is zombie auctions, because that's the only was I can see
of levering this into a dictatorship. Thoughts on appropriate remedies for
this situation?
-Aris
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:12 PM Reuben Staley
wrote:
I hate... everything about this message. And to think I'm behind all of
it,
too, at least indirectly.
Ah well. It was inevitable. Have fun being the most powerful person in the
game.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 23:24 Corona wrote:
Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to
(0,2).
I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber
to
Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4
lumber
to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4
lumber
and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the
following
curly braces: {
Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s
apples to
move Quazie to (1,-2).
Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a
refinery
at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of
Quazie’s
stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona
to
increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
}
~Corona
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
Just for people who look in the future but don't read other threads, and as
a form of penance: ignore what I said about there not being a scam. I was
being tired/stupid and apparently didn't read the text. So ignore the first
two sentences of by below message, although the rest is still true.
-Aris
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:26 PM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, it's way too easy to reach high ranks with facilities. This isn't a
> scam, or even clearly abusive, but I think we probably need to fix it with
> a proposal of some sort. There are other ways of fixing it though,
> including perhaps forming a collective to defeat the capitalists and take
> back the means of production for the proletariat. The thing I'm most
> concerned about is zombie auctions, because that's the only was I can see
> of levering this into a dictatorship. Thoughts on appropriate remedies for
> this situation?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:12 PM Reuben Staley
> wrote:
>
>> I hate... everything about this message. And to think I'm behind all of
>> it,
>> too, at least indirectly.
>>
>> Ah well. It was inevitable. Have fun being the most powerful person in the
>> game.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 23:24 Corona wrote:
>>
>> > Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
>> >
>> > I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to
>> (0,2).
>> >
>> > I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber
>> to
>> > Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4
>> lumber
>> > to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4
>> lumber
>> > and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
>> >
>> > I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
>> >
>> > I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the
>> following
>> > curly braces: {
>> >
>> > Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
>> > Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s
>> apples to
>> > move Quazie to (1,-2).
>> >
>> > Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a
>> refinery
>> > at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of
>> Quazie’s
>> > stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
>> > Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona
>> to
>> > increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
>> >
>> > Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
>> >
>> > }
>> >
>> >
>> > ~Corona
>> >
>>
>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
Okay, it's way too easy to reach high ranks with facilities. This isn't a
scam, or even clearly abusive, but I think we probably need to fix it with
a proposal of some sort. There are other ways of fixing it though,
including perhaps forming a collective to defeat the capitalists and take
back the means of production for the proletariat. The thing I'm most
concerned about is zombie auctions, because that's the only was I can see
of levering this into a dictatorship. Thoughts on appropriate remedies for
this situation?
-Aris
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 11:12 PM Reuben Staley
wrote:
> I hate... everything about this message. And to think I'm behind all of it,
> too, at least indirectly.
>
> Ah well. It was inevitable. Have fun being the most powerful person in the
> game.
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 23:24 Corona wrote:
>
> > Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
> >
> > I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (0,2).
> >
> > I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber
> to
> > Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4 lumber
> > to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4 lumber
> > and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
> >
> > I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
> >
> > I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
> > curly braces: {
> >
> > Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
> > Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s apples
> to
> > move Quazie to (1,-2).
> >
> > Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a refinery
> > at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of
> Quazie’s
> > stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
> > Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona
> to
> > increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
> >
> > Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
> >
> > }
> >
> >
> > ~Corona
> >
>
DIS: Re: BUS: Setting up money-printing machine
I hate... everything about this message. And to think I'm behind all of it,
too, at least indirectly.
Ah well. It was inevitable. Have fun being the most powerful person in the
game.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 23:24 Corona wrote:
> Hopefully this is not going to fail horribly in some unforeseen way.
>
> I destroy an apple to move to (0,1). I destroy an apple to move to (0,2).
>
> I destroy 5 lumber to build a mine at (0,2). I pay 3 coins and 2 lumber to
> Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 2. I pay 4 coins and 4 lumber
> to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 3. I pay 5 coins, 4 lumber
> and 3 stones to Quazie to increase the rank of that mine to 4.
>
> I transfer 3 apples and 12 stones to Quazie.
>
> I act on behalf of Quazie to do all actions enclosed within the following
> curly braces: {
>
> Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (0,-1). Destroy one of
> Quazie’s apples to move Quazie to (1,-1). Destroy one of Quazie’s apples to
> move Quazie to (1,-2).
>
> Destroy 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 8 of Quazie’s stones to build a refinery
> at (1,-2). Pay 5 of Quazie’s coins, 2 of Quazie’s lumber and 3 of Quazie’s
> stones to Corona to increase the rank of that refinery to 2. Pay 6 of
> Quazie’s coins, 4 of Quazie’s lumber and 4 of Quazie’s stones to Corona to
> increase the rank of that refinery to 3.
>
> Transfer all of Quazie's assets to Corona.
>
> }
>
>
> ~Corona
>
