Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[ATMunn]

On 6/18/2018 10:38 AM, Corona wrote:

I issue a humiliating public reminder to the following persons for not
voting on the current Medals of Honour decision:

Gaelan, G., Cuddle Beam, Trigon, Corona, VJ Rada, Kenyon, Ouri, twg,

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, omd, o, Quazie, pokes, 天火狐、Telnaior


(Not really though, if you don't feel like either candidate deserves a
medal, then just don't vote and I'll fail it)


I would not blame anyone for thinking this. :P

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Kerim Aydin]

FUN CONTINUATION:

The rule also reads:
   After a player is awarded a Medal of Honour, all
   players who were previously eligible for a Medal of Honour become
   no longer eligible.

Since a "player" was not awarded the Medal, the previously-eligible
players are STILL eligible.

Which means that ATMunn and Aris were in fact eligible when Corona
tried to start the Decision with the null set.  (if you think about
it, it's a feature - if a winner isn't awarded, your eligibility
rolls over to the next decision).

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> This what happens when you let new players (i.e. me) make proposals without
> checking them that much. lol.
> 
> On 6/11/2018 1:19 AM, Corona wrote:
> > Sure.
> > 
> > I award FAILED QUORUM a Medal of Honour for May 2018. Wear it proudly,
> > FAILED QUORUM!
> > 
> > ~Corona
> > 
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However, by ais523's logic, from the previous Decision you're supposed
> > > to award a Medal to FAILED QUORUM...?
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Corona wrote:
> > > > ​Ah, nevermind then.​
> > > > 
> > > > ~Corona
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, the whole thing just fails I'm afraid (Rule 2529/3):
> > > > > In the second Eastman week of an Agoran month, if there are
> > > > > any
> > > > > players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald
> > > > > CAN,
> > > by
> > > > > announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be
> > > awarded
> > > > > a Medal of Honour.
> > > > > If there's no eligible players, there's no CAN for initiation.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, 2018-06-10 at 22:26 +0200, Corona wrote:
> > > > > > > I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of
> > > > > > > Honour for June 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {}.
> > > > > > > The vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is
> > > > > > > instant-
> > > > > > > runoff.
> > > > > > > Quorum is 6.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Huh, some fun rulesey stuff going on here. As far as I can tell,
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > impossible to meaningfully vote on this, but it cannot fail quorum;
> > > > > > rather, at the end of the voting period (which the Herald SHALL end
> > > > > > early, and CAN do so by resolving it in the same message) it ends
> > > with
> > > > > > a null outcome. The outcome of the vote is then awarded a Medal of
> > > > > > Honour. Again as far as I can tell, there's nothing restricting what
> > > > > > sort of entity can own a Medal of Honour, so it looks like the Medal
> > > > > > owned by the null outcome is going to become a tracked part of the
> > > > > > Herald report.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for the null outcome to get a
> > > win
> > > > > > if this happens six times, but I think we should give it an honorary
> > > > > > win by proposal if the situation ever comes up.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ais523
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[ATMunn]

This what happens when you let new players (i.e. me) make proposals 
without checking them that much. lol.


On 6/11/2018 1:19 AM, Corona wrote:

Sure.

I award FAILED QUORUM a Medal of Honour for May 2018. Wear it proudly,
FAILED QUORUM!

~Corona

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:




However, by ais523's logic, from the previous Decision you're supposed
to award a Medal to FAILED QUORUM...?

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Corona wrote:

​Ah, nevermind then.​

~Corona

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:




No, the whole thing just fails I'm afraid (Rule 2529/3):
In the second Eastman week of an Agoran month, if there are any
players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN,

by

announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be

awarded

a Medal of Honour.
If there's no eligible players, there's no CAN for initiation.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote:


On Sun, 2018-06-10 at 22:26 +0200, Corona wrote:

I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of
Honour for June 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {}.
The vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-
runoff.
Quorum is 6.


Huh, some fun rulesey stuff going on here. As far as I can tell, it's
impossible to meaningfully vote on this, but it cannot fail quorum;
rather, at the end of the voting period (which the Herald SHALL end
early, and CAN do so by resolving it in the same message) it ends

with

a null outcome. The outcome of the vote is then awarded a Medal of
Honour. Again as far as I can tell, there's nothing restricting what
sort of entity can own a Medal of Honour, so it looks like the Medal
owned by the null outcome is going to become a tracked part of the
Herald report.

Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for the null outcome to get a

win

if this happens six times, but I think we should give it an honorary
win by proposal if the situation ever comes up.

--
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Kerim Aydin]

However, by ais523's logic, from the previous Decision you're supposed
to award a Medal to FAILED QUORUM...?

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Corona wrote:
> ​Ah, nevermind then.​
> 
> ~Corona
> 
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > No, the whole thing just fails I'm afraid (Rule 2529/3):
> >In the second Eastman week of an Agoran month, if there are any
> >players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by
> >announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded
> >a Medal of Honour.
> > If there's no eligible players, there's no CAN for initiation.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2018-06-10 at 22:26 +0200, Corona wrote:
> > > > I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of
> > > > Honour for June 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {}.
> > > > The vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-
> > > > runoff.
> > > > Quorum is 6.
> > >
> > > Huh, some fun rulesey stuff going on here. As far as I can tell, it's
> > > impossible to meaningfully vote on this, but it cannot fail quorum;
> > > rather, at the end of the voting period (which the Herald SHALL end
> > > early, and CAN do so by resolving it in the same message) it ends with
> > > a null outcome. The outcome of the vote is then awarded a Medal of
> > > Honour. Again as far as I can tell, there's nothing restricting what
> > > sort of entity can own a Medal of Honour, so it looks like the Medal
> > > owned by the null outcome is going to become a tracked part of the
> > > Herald report.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for the null outcome to get a win
> > > if this happens six times, but I think we should give it an honorary
> > > win by proposal if the situation ever comes up.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ais523
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Corona]

​Ah, nevermind then.​

~Corona

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:

>
>
> No, the whole thing just fails I'm afraid (Rule 2529/3):
>In the second Eastman week of an Agoran month, if there are any
>players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by
>announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded
>a Medal of Honour.
> If there's no eligible players, there's no CAN for initiation.
>
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2018-06-10 at 22:26 +0200, Corona wrote:
> > > I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of
> > > Honour for June 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {}.
> > > The vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-
> > > runoff.
> > > Quorum is 6.
> >
> > Huh, some fun rulesey stuff going on here. As far as I can tell, it's
> > impossible to meaningfully vote on this, but it cannot fail quorum;
> > rather, at the end of the voting period (which the Herald SHALL end
> > early, and CAN do so by resolving it in the same message) it ends with
> > a null outcome. The outcome of the vote is then awarded a Medal of
> > Honour. Again as far as I can tell, there's nothing restricting what
> > sort of entity can own a Medal of Honour, so it looks like the Medal
> > owned by the null outcome is going to become a tracked part of the
> > Herald report.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for the null outcome to get a win
> > if this happens six times, but I think we should give it an honorary
> > win by proposal if the situation ever comes up.
> >
> > --
> > ais523
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Corona]

Oh yeah, I thought so, I just couldn't find the relevant paragraph. Well,
now I have to wait 7 days to resolve, I guess.

~Corona

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Alex Smith 
wrote:

> On Sun, 2018-06-10 at 22:26 +0200, Corona wrote:
> > I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of
> > Honour for June 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {}.
> > The vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-
> > runoff.
> > Quorum is 6.
>
> Huh, some fun rulesey stuff going on here. As far as I can tell, it's
> impossible to meaningfully vote on this, but it cannot fail quorum;
> rather, at the end of the voting period (which the Herald SHALL end
> early, and CAN do so by resolving it in the same message) it ends with
> a null outcome. The outcome of the vote is then awarded a Medal of
> Honour. Again as far as I can tell, there's nothing restricting what
> sort of entity can own a Medal of Honour, so it looks like the Medal
> owned by the null outcome is going to become a tracked part of the
> Herald report.
>
> Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for the null outcome to get a win
> if this happens six times, but I think we should give it an honorary
> win by proposal if the situation ever comes up.
>
> --
> ais523
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Kerim Aydin]

No, the whole thing just fails I'm afraid (Rule 2529/3):
   In the second Eastman week of an Agoran month, if there are any
   players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by
   announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded
   a Medal of Honour.
If there's no eligible players, there's no CAN for initiation.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote:

> On Sun, 2018-06-10 at 22:26 +0200, Corona wrote:
> > I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of
> > Honour for June 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {}.
> > The vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-
> > runoff.
> > Quorum is 6.
> 
> Huh, some fun rulesey stuff going on here. As far as I can tell, it's
> impossible to meaningfully vote on this, but it cannot fail quorum;
> rather, at the end of the voting period (which the Herald SHALL end
> early, and CAN do so by resolving it in the same message) it ends with
> a null outcome. The outcome of the vote is then awarded a Medal of
> Honour. Again as far as I can tell, there's nothing restricting what
> sort of entity can own a Medal of Honour, so it looks like the Medal
> owned by the null outcome is going to become a tracked part of the
> Herald report.
> 
> Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for the null outcome to get a win
> if this happens six times, but I think we should give it an honorary
> win by proposal if the situation ever comes up.
> 
> -- 
> ais523
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honour Decision

[ATMunn]

heh, probably my fault.

I think that the normal votes of PRESENT and conditionals are still 
valid, though. Not sure.


On 2/20/2018 10:43 AM, Corona wrote:

But the rule describes them as "votes" [...For this decision, the valid votes 
are all players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour...].

~Corona​

On 02:00, Feb 20, 2018, at 02:00, "Ørjan Johansen"  wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, Corona wrote:


For this decision, the valid votes are {Murphy, ATMunn, Alexis,

Cuddle

Beam, Telnaior}, the vote collector is the Herald, and the voting

method

is instant-runoff.


This may be invalid. You're supposed to describe the options, not the
votes.  Although what you listed was the options, you did not call them

that.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honour Decision

[Corona]

But the rule describes them as "votes" [...For this decision, the valid votes 
are all players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour...].

~Corona​

On 02:00, Feb 20, 2018, at 02:00, "Ørjan Johansen"  wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, Corona wrote:
>
>> For this decision, the valid votes are {Murphy, ATMunn, Alexis,
>Cuddle
>> Beam, Telnaior}, the vote collector is the Herald, and the voting
>method
>> is instant-runoff.
>
>This may be invalid. You're supposed to describe the options, not the
>votes.  Although what you listed was the options, you did not call them
>
>that.
>
>Greetings,
>Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honour Decision

[Corona]

Yeah, actually you're eligible but not a valid vote. [...For this decision, the 
valid votes are all players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour...]​

On 14:09, Feb 20, 2018, at 14:09, ATMunn  wrote:
>Am I really a valid vote even though I'm not a player? I guess there's
>nothing in the rule saying that non-players can't win. The problem is
>if
>I do win, can I still own a medal as a non-player? I should know since
>I
>wrote the rule, but I don't. :P
>
>On 2/19/2018 6:31 PM, Corona wrote:
>>
>> I initiate the Agoran Decision on the Jan 2018 Medal of Honour.
>>
>> For this decision, the valid votes are {Murphy, ATMunn, Alexis,
>Cuddle Beam, Telnaior}, the vote collector is the Herald, and the
>voting method is instant-runoff.
>>
>> Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL in a
>timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by
>announcement.
>>
>> ~Corona​
>>