OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] Second Victory Auction of August 2021

[Trigon via agora-official]

I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, being authorized by Rule 
2629/0, do hereby initiate a Victory Auction.


The first lot is a new Victory Card.

The second lot is the Justice Card owned by the Lost and Found Department.

The currency for this auction shall be the coin.

The procedure for this auction shall be a Selective-Bid Auction, as 
described by the Treasuror's Auction Regulations, which can be found in 
the ACORN at the following link:




--
Trigon

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Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Telna via agora-official]

CoE the deadline to judge is in a week's time not right now, 
republishing below.



Agoran Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report)
Wed 25 Aug 2021


DEADLINES (details below)
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3922 Assigned to R. Lee(Reconsider) Due Wed 01 Sep 2021 00:59:57

INTERESTED JUDGES AND EIR MOST RECENT CASE
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Regular Judges:
3916 ais523
3918 Gaelan
3921 Jason
3922 R. Lee
3922 Murphy

Occasional Judges:
3888 nix[Sat 28 Nov 2020]
3899 Falsifian  [Tue 23 Feb 2021]
3907 Aspen  [Sat 05 Jun 2021]
3924 Cuddlebeam [Mon 09 Aug 2021]

Overflow Judges:
[None currently]

Recused:

OPEN CASES
---
3922 Assigned to R. Lee [Due Wed 01 Sep 2021 00:59:57]
 ATMunn Recused [Mon 23 Aug 2021]
 Murphy Recused [Sun 15 Aug 2021]
 Motion to Reconsider Filed by Aspen [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Judged TRUE by Murphy [Sun 08 Aug 2021]
 D. Wet has created a proposal in the last 7 days.

RECENTLY-JUDGED CASES
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3923 Judged FALSE by G. [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 The quoted message is a distribution message as outlined
 in Regulation AM0.

3924 Judged FALSE by Cuddlebeam [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Motion to Reconsider Filed by ais523 [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Judged FALSE by Cuddlebeam [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Assuming G. announces no further focus plans, eir focus
 will flip to Legacy at the beginning of the next month.

3921 Judged FALSE by Jason [Tue 03 Aug 2021]
 Be X the first Judge assigned to this CFJ,
 the entirety of the Ruleset means the following...

3920 Judged FALSE by R. Lee [Thu 22 Jul 2021]
 This CFJ was called on 13 Jul 2021.

3919 Judged TRUE by R. Lee [Thu 22 Jul 2021]
 Trigon initiated a Call for Judgement in the below message.

OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Telna via agora-official]

Agoran Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report)
Wed 25 Aug 2021


DEADLINES (details below)
---
3922 Assigned to R. Lee(Reconsider) Due Wed 25 Aug 2021 00:59:57

INTERESTED JUDGES AND EIR MOST RECENT CASE
---
Regular Judges:
3916 ais523
3918 Gaelan
3921 Jason
3922 R. Lee
3922 Murphy

Occasional Judges:
3888 nix[Sat 28 Nov 2020]
3899 Falsifian  [Tue 23 Feb 2021]
3907 Aspen  [Sat 05 Jun 2021]
3924 Cuddlebeam [Mon 09 Aug 2021]

Overflow Judges:
[None currently]

Recused:

OPEN CASES
---
3922 Assigned to R. Lee [Due Wed 25 Aug 2021 00:59:57]
 ATMunn Recused [Mon 23 Aug 2021]
 Murphy Recused [Sun 15 Aug 2021]
 Motion to Reconsider Filed by Aspen [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Judged TRUE by Murphy [Sun 08 Aug 2021]
 D. Wet has created a proposal in the last 7 days.

RECENTLY-JUDGED CASES
---
3923 Judged FALSE by G. [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 The quoted message is a distribution message as outlined
 in Regulation AM0.

3924 Judged FALSE by Cuddlebeam [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Motion to Reconsider Filed by ais523 [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Judged FALSE by Cuddlebeam [Mon 09 Aug 2021]
 Assuming G. announces no further focus plans, eir focus
 will flip to Legacy at the beginning of the next month.

3921 Judged FALSE by Jason [Tue 03 Aug 2021]
 Be X the first Judge assigned to this CFJ,
 the entirety of the Ruleset means the following...

3920 Judged FALSE by R. Lee [Thu 22 Jul 2021]
 This CFJ was called on 13 Jul 2021.

3919 Judged TRUE by R. Lee [Thu 22 Jul 2021]
 Trigon initiated a Call for Judgement in the below message.

OFF: CFJ 3922 Assigned to R. Lee

[Telna via agora-official]

Following recusal, I assign the reconsideration of CFJ 3922 to R. Lee.
(E favoured on discord)

On 2021-08-09 08:33, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

Telna wrote:


The below CFJ is 3922. I assign it to Murphy.

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D. Wet has created a proposal in the last 7 days.

Called by Aspen: Tue 03 Aug 2021 05:56:10

=

On 2021-08-03 15:55, Aspen via agora-business wrote:

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:31 AM D. Wet via agora-business
 wrote:


I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted
according to the current rule adoption procedure. The Rule is:

Onboarding of Newly Activated Players

1. Newly Activated Players MUST be requested to take their first Action
in a timely fashion after being switched to Active.

2. Players that are Active less than one month MUST actively be 
educated

when their Action is IMPOSSIBLE within the current Ruleset.

3. The education in referred to in 2. MUST contain references to N
specific Rules numbers as to why their Action is ILLEGAL within the
current Ruleset. N is at least 1 and at most 3 and NEED NOT to lead 
to a

POSSIBLE Action when taken into account during the next try to act.


I'm afraid it's a bit unclear whether this worked. Submitting
proposals is governed by Rule 2350. There's specific information that
needs to be specified when you create a proposal. A lot of it is
optional, but the one thing that's absolutely essential is the text.
Here, it's unclear where the text of the proposal begins and ends.

I CFJ "D. Wet has created a proposal in the last 7 days."


The rules actually say "clearly specify" at one other point (Rule 107,
Initiating Agoran Decisions). In this case, while "exactly which part of
this message constitutes the text of the intended proposal" is somewhat
unclear, it isn't substantially unclear; any reasonable interpretation
still leads to a proposal that, if adopted, would attempt to create a
rule. (Though that would bring up a similar question of whether
"Onboarding of Newly Activated Players" should be interpreted as that
rule's title, or part of its body text.)

TRUE.


On 2021-08-16 07:43, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

Aspen wrote:


On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:59 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business
 wrote:



On 8/8/2021 3:33 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

The rules actually say "clearly specify" at one other point (Rule 107,
Initiating Agoran Decisions). In this case, while "exactly which 
part of

this message constitutes the text of the intended proposal" is somewhat
unclear, it isn't substantially unclear; any reasonable interpretation
still leads to a proposal that,


I intend to motion to reconsider this judgement with 2 support.

In this judgement, the judge is (1) claiming the text is clearly
specified, but (2) then says it's somewhat unclear, but then (3) says 
any

reasonable interpretation works, but (4) then doesn't actually give an
interpretation, that's not clarifying at all (in direct contradiction to
the stated judgement).

Regardless of the fact that multiple interpretations might lead to a
proposal that gives the same result, that does not make a single text
clear, and a single text is required. If "any reasonable" interpretation
is possible, then there's no clear single interpretation, which the rule
requires.

-G.


I strongly support and do so.

-The Promotor, who likes knowing what e supposed to put in eir reports


I recuse myself from this CFJ, but request that the new judge address
how the absence of "clearly" in Rule 2350 (Proposals) affects this
case. (Obviously it would be a good thing to fix legislatively.)


On 2021-08-24 07:11, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 8/15/2021 22:39, Telna via agora-official wrote:

Following recusal, I assign the reconsideration of CFJ 3922 to ATMunn.



I recuse myself from this case. I humbly apologize for not getting 
around to this sooner. I intended to judge this case, but I have been 
busier than expected recently.