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Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record class lectures

2017-10-27 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

No! this is a comun problem with the blind students and this is equally 
true, recording of the lectures is the best way of studying for blind 
students.
- Original Message - 
From: "r k sarin via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "r k sarin" 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 05:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record 
class lectures

I think we should not link the issue with an individual. It is his basic 
right to get the information in any accessible way and the recording is one 
of the comfortable and accessible way and use it as many times as one 
requires. Moreover, there is nothing secret in lecture. The only issue is 
how much a teaching faculty member is confident in his teaching. The issue 
is not with the student but wwith the teacher. No sensible teacher stop 
anyone from recording. I allowed anyone even the sighted student to do so 
because I know what I am gteaching and what is my responsibility to the 
teaching fraternity.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sanjeev Kumar Gandhi via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "Sanjeev Kumar Gandhi" 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record 
class lectures

this insident is a evening college student.  He is a Govt Employ he
has working in BBMB as a telephone oprater.  I can suggest you have
use laptop or netbook in class and type short notes. I think  this
person behavior  is not good.
Read with hindi TTS इस वयक्ती का सौभाव ऐसा है की ये डाटा का misuse कर
सकता है।  कई वयक्तीयो को सिरफ किसि न किसि बहाने अपने आप को showoff
करना  उनकी आदत सी बन जाती है।  यह मेरे अपने निजि विचार है क्योकी इस
वयक्ति को मैं personally जानता हूँ
I feel that person On 10/27/17, kuldeep kumar via Ai
 wrote:

dear Amit, sufferers r not the employees. they r students who can't
afford the heavy fees of advocates. sometimes, they can approach to
generalists hardly.

On 10/27/17, Amit Bhatt via Ai  
wrote:

Surprising news!!

Person should simply request local NGO to intervene in the matter and
interact with University Officials. If still problem persists, sufferer
should nock the door of the Court.

With warm regards,

Amit Bhatt

Probationary Officer - United Bank of India
www.unitedbankofindia.com

Moderator - SayEverything, an open discussion forum for persons with
disabilities
www.sayeverything.org

Contact: +91-9560175887, 8178838112

Skype: amitbhattindia

"Success lies not in the result, but in the efforts"
- Original Message -
From: "r k sarin via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "r k sarin" 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record
class lectures

Of course it is not a good sign. Though I cannot go through your mail
because you feel easy to send only link as you do not have time to 
open
the link and send the reading material so is with others. However, 
When

I

was doing post-graduation from there, they stopped me from taking 
notes

in

Braille but after resistance and complaint to the head of department 
Dr.
Shanti Swarup, things were sorted out. I feel the students should 
resist

for it and the problem is not sorted out, I like to intervene at my
level--personally and organisationally but one has to write to me.
Anybody

who is interested to get this problem resolved, he can write to me.
- Original Message -
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
To: "ai" 
Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:24 PM
Subject: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record
class

lectures

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/chandigarh/pu-refuses-blind-student-nod-to-record-lessons/479978.html

--
Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU

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Re: [Ai] Fraudulent Transactions on Credit Card

2017-10-23 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

I think many of us doesn't know, once you lodge a complain against fraud 
transaction on your card, the banks can't keep continue your same card, so 
you need not to worry at all. you have done your work from your end. Now, 
let them investigate the matter but this is equally true, the matter will be 
handed over to ciber crime cell only once the merchant claim the amount.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vikas Kapoor via Ai" 
To: ; "'Share, empower &Enrich'" 

Cc: "Vikas Kapoor" 
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Fraudulent Transactions on Credit Card

Hi Geetha, the bank has responded that my card is already blocked and they 
are in the process of issuing a fresh card. Once the transactions are 
reflected in my account statement, they say they'll raise the chargeback 
claim. Further, my bank has informed me that they have got the right to 
chargeback where transactions do not require OTP. Although this statement 
isn't very much clear to me, I hope the matter would be investigated and 
settled once the statement is generated
 - Original Message - 
 From: Geetha Shamanna

 To: 'Share, empower &Enrich'
 Cc: 'Vikas Kapoor'
 Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 9:18 PM
 Subject: RE: [Ai] Fraudulent Transactions on Credit Card

 Hi Vikas,

 If you haven't already done so, please call the Corporation Bank's call
 centre and have your credit card blocked immediately. Regardless of 
whether
 the merchants have claimed the amount, your card has been used by 
someone,
 who still has your data and can use the card again for further 
transactions.

 Once this has been done, check with the call centre about the complaints
 procedure they follow in order to report credit card fraud, and submit 
the

 required documents.

 Credit cards are normally insured, and once the dispute has been 
resolved,

 you will not be asked to pay the amount. While the dispute is being dealt
 with, the bank should make a temporary credit to your account in order to
 balance the books.

 My Citibank credit card was used fraudulently many years ago to purchase 
air

 tickets worth Rs.25,000 in Europe. This happened when I still lived in
 India. The bank immediately contacted me and blocked the card. Although 
it

 took them three months to investigate the fraud, they did not charge me
 anything.

 If the Corporation Bank refuses to do its part in investigating the
 complaint or applying card insurance, you should cancel your card and
 approach the consumer court for redressal.

 Geetha
 -Original Message-
 From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
 Vikas Kapoor via Ai
 Sent: 23 October 2017 11:05
 To: Access India
 Cc: Vikas Kapoor
 Subject: [Ai] Fraudulent Transactions on Credit Card

 Folks, yesterday morning, when I got up early in the morning, I was 
jolted

 to have seen as many as 8 messages in my text message inbox regarding
 multiple transactions having taken place using my credit card totaling
 nearly to Rs.35000 in smaller transactions. Most of them appeared to have
 taken place on netflix.com and on some other malls based in the United
 States. All such transactions happened within a span of just 2 minutes. 
Upon

 registering a complaint by sending a detailed mail to the head office of
 Corporation Bank at Mangalore, they replied back that although the
 transactions have taken place, the money under those transactions have 
not

 yet been claimed by the merchants. If the money is not claimed by the
 merchants in the next 30 days, it would automatically be nullified. 
However,

 they said that they cannot raise any claim of chargeback unless the money
 has been claimed. Since there are lots of bankers on this list, I just 
would
 like to know the implications of those  transactions that have taken 
place.

 My contention is that when I've already brought this to their notice,
 shouldn't it be the duty of the staff to initiate the actions on their 
part?
 Why are they waiting for the merchants first to claim the money and once 
the

 merchants claimed, what is going to be the end result of this?
 Thanks.
 Vikas Kapoor,
 Mobile: (+91) 9891098137, 9013354994
 Skype Id: dl_vikas
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Re: [Ai] Fraudulent Transactions on Credit Card

2017-10-23 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

According the RBI guidelines, unless and until, the amount is not claimed by 
the merchant, no such request can be accepted. You  need not to worry, in 
such cases, the bank is fully responsible.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vikas Kapoor via Ai" 

To: "Access India" 
Cc: "Vikas Kapoor" 
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 03:35 PM
Subject: [Ai] Fraudulent Transactions on Credit Card

Folks, yesterday morning, when I got up early in the morning, I was jolted 
to have seen as many as 8 messages in my text message inbox regarding 
multiple transactions having taken place using my credit card totaling 
nearly to Rs.35000 in smaller transactions. Most of them appeared to have 
taken place on netflix.com and on some other malls based in the United 
States. All such transactions happened within a span of just 2 minutes. 
Upon registering a complaint by sending a detailed mail to the head office 
of Corporation Bank at Mangalore, they replied back that although the 
transactions have taken place, the money under those transactions have not 
yet been claimed by the merchants. If the money is not claimed by the 
merchants in the next 30 days, it would automatically be nullified. 
However, they said that they cannot raise any claim of chargeback unless 
the money has been claimed. Since there are lots of bankers on this list, 
I just would like to know the implications of those
transactions that have taken place. My contention is that when I've 
already brought this to their notice, shouldn't it be the duty of the 
staff to initiate the actions on their part? Why are they waiting for the 
merchants first to claim the money and once the merchants claimed, what is 
going to be the end result of this?

Thanks.
Vikas Kapoor,
Mobile: (+91) 9891098137, 9013354994
Skype Id: dl_vikas
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Re: [Ai] query regarding internet speed test

2017-10-22 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

I don't know, what for you are looking.
- Original Message - 
From: "gufran ahmed via Ai" 

To: "AccessIndia" 
Cc: "gufran ahmed" 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] query regarding internet speed test

I have gone to your advice site but the results are not satisfactory

On 22-Oct-2017 3:59 pm, "B. R. Nautial via Ai" <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

you can check your internet speed on www.fast.com
- Original Message - From: "Nandan Sharma via Ai" <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "Nandan Sharma" 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] query regarding internet speed test

Sir as far as i know they are connected with each other so there is no

acurecy except fooling the customers through these kind of sites..

On October 22, 2017 10:08:40 AM gufran ahmed via Ai <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

hello learned members, as the subject line indicates. i am looking for

the reliable sites  or apps which can tell the exact internet speed
test. i have used fsat.com, speedtest.in and mysped test developed by
trai. each site tells different speed. acording to my package, i
should get 5 mbps. but the site fast.com indicates that i am getting
upto 18 mbps, speedtest.in says 800 kbps. where as trai's mobile says
5 mbps.
so whom should i relai please guide me which is the site which can
measure speed acqurately
regards gufran ahmed.
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Re: [Ai] query regarding internet speed test

2017-10-22 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

you can check your internet speed on www.fast.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Nandan Sharma via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "Nandan Sharma" 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] query regarding internet speed test

Sir as far as i know they are connected with each other so there is no 
acurecy except fooling the customers through these kind of sites..

On October 22, 2017 10:08:40 AM gufran ahmed via Ai 
 wrote:

hello learned members, as the subject line indicates. i am looking for
the reliable sites  or apps which can tell the exact internet speed
test. i have used fsat.com, speedtest.in and mysped test developed by
trai. each site tells different speed. acording to my package, i
should get 5 mbps. but the site fast.com indicates that i am getting
upto 18 mbps, speedtest.in says 800 kbps. where as trai's mobile says
5 mbps.
so whom should i relai please guide me which is the site which can
measure speed acqurately
regards gufran ahmed.
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Re: [Ai] JAWS 18 installation problem on a Windows 10 machine.

2017-10-04 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

An audio related file is misssing, which required with the jaws 
installation. Try to install lower version of jaws, means jaws 17. once the 
problem is resolved, uninstall the jaws and install jaws 18. I think, the 
problem will be resolved. If you don't get positive result, no need to 
worry, use the final version of jaws 17 and enjoy.
- Original Message - 
From: "moiz tundawala via Ai" 

To: "ai" 
Cc: "moiz tundawala" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:20 PM
Subject: [Ai] JAWS 18 installation problem on a Windows 10 machine.



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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:06:06 +0530
Subject: JAWS 18 installation problem on a Windows 10 machine.
To: ai-requ...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in

Dear All,
JAWS 18 is causing major headaches for me on my Windows 10 machine. It
becomes slow and unstable on webpages after every five or ten minutes
of use. I wrote to VFO technical support who recommended a clean
reinstallation after deleting all traces of the programme on the
computer including registry entries and Microsoft Visual C++
executables 2005, 2010, 2013 and 2015. They also asked me to
temporarily disable my antivirus and log in as administrator before
reinstalling JAWS. I followed their instructions but am now facing a
much bigger problem. JAWS refuses to start and I get the following
message:
---
JAWS
---
A file required by the driver VCSPEECH.JLS for Remote Access Speech
could not be loaded.

One or more shared components are missing.
Please reinstall this product in an effort to resolve the problem.
---
OK
---


I have made several reinstallation attempts and even tried the repair
option. Nothing seems to be working.
This is causing me a lot of distress. Can someone please advise?
Thanks,
Moiz.
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Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

2017-09-11 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Sir! I have a great regard for you, so, don't take all these things personally 
but this is true, you criticized  each of the mail since beginning, related 
with the issue, posted in the group. Of course! It's nothing wrong to criticize 
such incidents but it has already been condemned by most of the members & 
nobody is in favor of all these bad incidents. There are no differences  
between any of the member of the group in terms of this bad incident. We all 
know, police inquiry has already been started & we hope that it'll give a 
positive result to restore the proper security of school campus over there. 
Honorable Delhi High Courte is also serious over the matter, so we need not to 
worry anymore. I am sorry to say,

Here, each of us is behaving like a lawyer since beginning. This is not the 
right forum for discussing all these sensitive issues.

Simultaneously, this is equally true that the group was formed for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled, so everyone should have pay 
their attention towards the issues, related with the Accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled

In respect of Mr. Sarin Ji, I only can say, he is more sensitive, capable, 
experienced & responsible person in his life, so, he should have come forward 
to assist these organizations by contributing his knowledge & experiences in 
spite of sharing his views in the group against these so called volunteers, "jo 
in sansthaon kea ad men apni-apni dukan chala rahen hain."

This is true, Mr. Prashanth Varma & Mr. Deependar Manocha have been working 
hard for these organizations by contributing them their technical support on 
various accessibility issues & we can't ignore their support.

  - Original Message - 
  From: r k sarin via Ai 
  To: Share, empower &Enrich 
  Cc: r k sarin 
  Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Let me try to bit personal. Were we doing something wrong while criticising? 
Was the demand of inquiry a wrong idea? Was pointing the lacuna, knowing or 
unknowingly, a serious matter to ponder over wrong? By pointing all this, we 
are trying to say that such things should not happen repeatedly. But if someone 
amongst them say that there is nothing wrong in such incidence, does it not 
give the idea that for them it not a vital issue? This also says what kind of 
filthy approach we have towards this issue. Can you teach such a group 
something which fails to react or show its disagreement upon the comment of one 
of its member? I have no word to say.  
    ----- Original Message - 
From: B. R. Nautial via Ai 
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: B. R. Nautial 
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


Some seniors, since beginning they are criticizing the incident though each 
of us has already condemned the incident & expressed our deep concerns over the 
bad incident. Whether anybody have any specific mechanism to avoid these kinds 
of incidents in future?

Each of us knows, it'll not be the first & the last incident of the 
organisation. Every organisation is facing the same kinds of situation in 
different-different ways, so, everybody should have give their valuable 
suggestions to improve the situation of school campus

This is equally true, the incident took place only due to negligence of 
Hostel warden & other resident staff, so, free & fair internal inquiry should 
be conducted to fix the accountability & necessary security majors 

Should have taken to avoid these incidents in future. 

10 years back, I spent almost one month there for computer training & I was 
too shocked to find the worst situation of discipline inside the campus. Their 
students were involved in various bad activities, like fighting here & there in 
the public transport, using Alcohol, one of their students use to come in our 
room and stolen the mobile of one of our83 years old  trainees, Mr. Pyaralal 
Aggarwal. 

This is true, their management is totally irresponsible towards the 
students of the campus. They are simply enjoying their life in very good 
premises of the institution only on the names of welfare of these students.

This is equally true, maintaining of discipline inside the campus should 
have been the first priority for the management as well as for some of their so 
called volunteers but I am sorry to say, nobody took all these things 
seriously. Most of these are simply enjoying various facilities along with the 
students & getting attached with the organization for their own interest only. 
Everybody is trying to give a safe passage to their staff members in spite of 
condemning them.

This is the time for these people, whether they should have to be with the 
institution or keep thems

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

2017-09-10 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Some seniors, since beginning they are criticizing the incident though each of 
us has already condemned the incident & expressed our deep concerns over the 
bad incident. Whether anybody have any specific mechanism to avoid these kinds 
of incidents in future?

Each of us knows, it'll not be the first & the last incident of the 
organisation. Every organisation is facing the same kinds of situation in 
different-different ways, so, everybody should have give their valuable 
suggestions to improve the situation of school campus

This is equally true, the incident took place only due to negligence of Hostel 
warden & other resident staff, so, free & fair internal inquiry should be 
conducted to fix the accountability & necessary security majors 

Should have taken to avoid these incidents in future. 

10 years back, I spent almost one month there for computer training & I was too 
shocked to find the worst situation of discipline inside the campus. Their 
students were involved in various bad activities, like fighting here & there in 
the public transport, using Alcohol, one of their students use to come in our 
room and stolen the mobile of one of our83 years old  trainees, Mr. Pyaralal 
Aggarwal. 

This is true, their management is totally irresponsible towards the students of 
the campus. They are simply enjoying their life in very good premises of the 
institution only on the names of welfare of these students.

This is equally true, maintaining of discipline inside the campus should have 
been the first priority for the management as well as for some of their so 
called volunteers but I am sorry to say, nobody took all these things 
seriously. Most of these are simply enjoying various facilities along with the 
students & getting attached with the organization for their own interest only. 
Everybody is trying to give a safe passage to their staff members in spite of 
condemning them.

This is the time for these people, whether they should have to be with the 
institution or keep themselves away from the institution. This is the total 
failure of these volunteers & management of the institution 

I am quite confident that some positive result will come out which will give a 
better future to the organisation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: r k sarin via Ai 
  To: Share, empower &Enrich 
  Cc: r k sarin 
  Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 8:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Who stops the law but the donors are one of the parties of an institution 
which any institution fails to recognise. If it is so, they are supposed to 
know the situation of the concern to which they are giving donation. 
Unfortunately, we call it donation wheras it is the contribution--not a 
selfless one but with a strong feeling and commitment to the cause for which 
donation/contribution is given. 
    - Original Message - 
From: B. R. Nautial via Ai 
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: B. R. Nautial 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at all. 
Now, the case has already been handed over to the police and they know, how to 
deal with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the donars as 
well. Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without public support, 
so let them do their work.
  - Original Message - 
  From: r k sarin via Ai 
  To: Share, empower &Enrich 
  Cc: r k sarin 
  Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are 
disallowing to contact media.
- Original Message - 
From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
To: 'Share, empower &Enrich' 
Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


Sarinji 

I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter 
is sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to 
what extent?

Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  
volunteers, politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the 
opposite sex. Everyone can be suspect and we have to

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

2017-09-07 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Of course! This incident is quite unfortunate & should be condemned  by 
everyone. Management should have rearn a lesson  by this bad incident and 
should be taken appropriate stepps to avoid these incident in future because in 
my openion, this incident could take place only because of security lepses on 
their end. but Fully agree with Manocha ji. Noone should have permited to give 
any statement in front of media at all. If someone do like this without 
prepermission of management,appropriate action should have taken against 
him/her.
As I already mentioned in my previous mail, its not good for the image of the 
institution as well. The case has already been handed over to the police, so 
let them do their investigation and wait for the result.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dipendra Manocha via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower &Enrich' 
  Cc: Dipendra Manocha 
  Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Do you really feel that children should be facing  mainstream media in such 
cases?

   

  The media itself is more sensitive than what is been said here. They 
themselves know that they are not supposed to be speaking to minors and putting 
them through  any such humiliations.

   

  Please stop spreading rumors based on so called reliable sources or baseless 
allegations being leveled by  an individuals on any unverifiable public forums. 

   

  Knowingly or unknowingly, such unfounded loose talk may help the offenders 
and weaken our fight against them.

   

  Be rest assured that  as result of investigations, if anyone is found guilty, 
will have the face the consequences.

   

  Thanks

  Dipendra

   

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r k 
sarin via Ai
  Sent: 07 September 2017 19:29
  To: Share, empower &Enrich 
  Cc: r k sarin 
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are disallowing 
to contact media.

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower &Enrich' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Sarinji 

I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what 
extent?

Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  volunteers, 
politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the opposite sex. 
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes 
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an 
insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly 
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would 
have then we cannot blame management.  

In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

Kanchan 

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r 
k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and 
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

 

R.K. Sarin

  - Original Message - 

  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

  To: 'Share, empower &Enrich' 

  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Prashant, 

  Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking 
the right steps.  

  Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

   

  Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security 
etc but this can happen again. 

  Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

  Please keep a track of the matter because i

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

2017-09-07 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at all. Now, 
the case has already been handed over to the police and they know, how to deal 
with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the donars as well. 
Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without public support, so 
let them do their work.
  - Original Message - 
  From: r k sarin via Ai 
  To: Share, empower &Enrich 
  Cc: r k sarin 
  Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

  We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are disallowing 
to contact media.
- Original Message - 
From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
To: 'Share, empower &Enrich' 
Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

Sarinji 

I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what 
extent?

Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  volunteers, 
politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the opposite sex. 
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes 
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an 
insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly 
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would 
have then we cannot blame management.  

In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

Kanchan 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r 
k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and 
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

R.K. Sarin

  - Original Message - 

  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

  To: 'Share, empower &Enrich' 

  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

  Prashant, 

  Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking 
the right steps.  

  Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

  Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security 
etc but this can happen again. 

  Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

  Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will 
slip under the carpet. This  will take some time to end. 

  You will need to track the police.

  Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi 
and would like to keep a track of the  newspaper reports etc. 

  Yes no names must or should be revealed. 

  We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from 
inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.

  Kanchan   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
  Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
  To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
  Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
  Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

  Dear Harish,

  The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the 
POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims. 

  The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite 
legal action  by the police. 

  So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto 
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.

  Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and 
they got  lot of complains already. 

  Thanks,

  Prashant Verma 

  Cre

Re: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi

2017-09-06 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Once the matter is in public domain, thereafter, nothing is private and 
sensitive. It was a sharp reaction of a comun man through radio udan those 
are related with the society, so, we should have take these reactions in a 
positive way and try to improve the things accordingly but this is equally 
true, i don't have any doubt on Mr. Prashant Ranjan Varma's intension at 
all. He is equally shocked like us with the incident, so, everyone should 
have support him to improve the security lable of the students at their 
premises and campus respectively.

From: "Radio Udaan via Ai" 
To: "ai" 
Cc: "Radio Udaan" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion 
on latest incident in Nab Delhi




Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion on
latest incident in Nab Delhi
Dear all,
Greetings from Radio Udaan
We, radioudaan, a disability community radio work only and only for
community and talk about improving the conditions of brothers and
sisters in the community. Recently we had conducted a discussion on
the molestation case which took place in NAB, Delhi. Since there are
so many rumors which r floating around and in this regard we have come
up with our official statement to clear the air. We have got many
feedback with respect to the discussion we had last evening and many r
very happy to see us raise this topic as best as we could. On the
other hand also we got many complaints from many organizations who r
very disturbed with our reporting. Also a few individuals also
complained on the coverage.
Radio Udaan is a very responsible station and we take full
responsibility on our coverage. We quote Mr. Prashant Ranjan Verma who
has written the following statement on a social platform.,
(The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under
the POCSO act where people are forbidden to reveal anything which
could lead to the
Identity of the victims.
The way people discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could
invite legal action by the police.
So, please do not allow this to go through. I am of course available
to answer questions on phone or personal email.
Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already
and they got lot of complains already.
Thanks,
Prashant Verma)

We would also like to clarify that we take full responsibility and are
ready to face any legal action with regards to our show. As far as the
statement of Mr. Verma that Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing
show and we have got a lot of complaints for that we would like to
clarify that we have got just one complaint which was more of a
threatening call rather than being a complaint.
In India we have right to speak so we cannot stop anyone from
presenting their views and as per the revealing of identity is
concerned we have already removed the objectionable stuff from the
show and we have posted a statement on you tube also. This statement
is given by our general secretary Mr. Danish mahajan and one can
easily listen to it by typing radioudaan statement on latest
discussion on incident in NAB delhi.

Whenever in future we will do such a show organizations will get
disturbed with our coverage and this is bound to happen as such
incidents are very disturbing in nature but we will continue to do
such shows and make people disturbed. We are very happy that our
reporting and coverage make some people get disturbed and we also hope
that bringing such incidents to light will make a better environment
for us all in the society.
We request all the organizations that instead of stopping us they must
improve the environment in their circle
That would help us to cover positive news and make the society aware
of some new improvements in the community.
Whatever the consequences may be we will work for our community and
will keep on talking about all the positives and negatives openly…
Here are the you tube links of show of discussion and official
statement by radio udaan.
https://youtu.be/3P4s2W0E4vI
https://youtu.be/cpcXzAp-9tY

Thank you
Radio udaan team!!!
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Re: [Ai] Arrest of a British national for sexual abuse of blind children on NAB Delhi complain

2017-09-05 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

This is not enough at all. an internal inquiry should be conducted and 
responsible  staff members should also be punished. I am sure! this incident 
could take place only due to necklagency of your residence staff members. I 
am sure! management is trying to protect their staff and this is not the 
justice at all. "Bakri kee bali chadakar Shear ko bachaya ja raha hai.
- Original Message - 
From: "Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai" 

To: "'Share, empower &Enrich'" 
Cc: "Prashant Ranjan Verma" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 10:30 PM
Subject: [Ai] Arrest of a British national for sexual abuse of blind 
children on NAB Delhi complain

Dear colleagues and well-wishers,

Recently there have been many reports in the media which include the name 
of

our organization. I am writing this email to give you the first hand
information and  clarify our position. We are relieved that in general the
media has covered the story properly although some of them have misplaced
some of the facts.

Our Press release is given below. It includes the details of the incident
and the current status.

You will appreciate that our children and the organization is the victim 
in
this case and we have promptly taken all the steps that we could.  There 
is
nothing for us to be ashamed about or hide. In this unfortunate incident, 
a

familiar person in the garb of a gentlemen has tried to harm our children,
we have immediately got him arrested and are determined to pursue the case
to its logical end.
We look forward to your understanding and support in this matter.

PRESS RELEASE
Subject: Arrest of a British national for sexual abuse of blind children
Dated: 5 September 2017

On Saturday 2 September 2017 evening our staff spotted a regular volunteer
sitting in objectionable position with few children in an open room. Our
staff asked the person to leave immediately and informed the management on
phone since the office had closed. The senior management of the 
organization
met on Sunday morning and after verifying all facts immediately informed 
the

police. The police have since arrested the accused for child sexual abuse.

The safety and dignity of our students is our top priority and therefore
when this incident came to light we immediately informed the police. We 
want
the law to take its own course and punish the accused for his wrong 
doings.
We were aware that since the accused was a foreign citizen, the 
organization

would have to face media glare and hardship in pursuing the long legal
battle, yet we have gone ahead and done the right thing by filing the FIR
with the police.

Being a charitable organization we depend upon donors and volunteers for
sustaining our activities. Like all organizations do, we had trusted this
volunteer Mr. Murray Dennis Ward to do constructive work with our 
children.

This person had offered to help our children with their studies and in
improving their English communication and self-confidence. The volunteer
used to visit our organizations few times a month and to the best of our
knowledge had been doing good work with the children.

We are extremely shocked and disgusted at this betrayal of trust by the
volunteer and want him to be punished in accordance with the law. We are
cooperating fully with the police who have so far been very professional 
and

swift in their actions.
Few media houses have since reported this matter with some wrong facts. We
urge everyone to go with our official stand only. We request everyone to 
be

sensitive with the reporting of this matter since it can potentially harm
the future of innocent children.

All our children are safe and happy as of now. We request everyone not to
disturb the daily routine of the organization and peaceful environment by
subjecting the children directly or indirectly to investigation and media
glare.

We are taking more steps to ensure safety and security of our students. It
is unfortunate that the wrong doing of one person will now subject many
well-meaning volunteers, parents and visitors to additional restrictions
within the organization but we hope to get their cooperation as always.
Any questions in this matter may please be directed to the General 
Secretary

by phone or email only.

Prashant Ranjan Verma
Hony. General Secretary

National Association for the Blind
Sector-5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi - 110022 India
Mobile: 9811686966
Phone: +91 11 26175886, 26102944
Email: i...@nabdelhi.in
Website: www.nabdelhi.in
HELPLINE FOR THE BLIND 1800 300 20469

DONATE ONLINE
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From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
Radio Udaan via Ai
Sent: 05 September 2017 18:27
To: ai 
Cc: Radio Udaan 
Subject: [Ai] We all welcome u all today in the special edition of Badalta
daur from 7 pm onwards where we will talk about the molestation case
involving a British national which

Dear all,
Greetings from Radio Udaan.
We all welcome u all toda

Re: [Ai] RPD bill detail rules for discrimination and reservation in promotion for visually handicapped emploeis

2017-08-17 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai


Hello Sir!
Kindly send me the same.
Thanks for anticipation.
- Original Message - 
From: "Prashanth MN via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "Prashanth MN" 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] RPD bill detail rules for discrimination and reservation 
in promotion for visually handicapped emploeis




Hi, While calculating reservation in recruitment total cadre strength
has to be considered, not the number of posts that are identified. 2.
Yes, the RPD act has already come into force and the final rules also
been published. If anyone needs the RPD rules and act documents, feel
free to mail me.

On 8/17/17, santosh thankachan via Ai
 wrote:
 Hi friends good evening I have already received the copy of the above 
said

RPD bill from one of our lists members thanks and regards
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 12:55 PM, Tajwar singh Rawat via Ai <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:


Paris I want to know procedure of deciding vacancies for reservation how
will we decide post

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On 17 August 2017 12:26:50 PM vivek doddamani via Ai
 wrote:

> Friends, means 15th June 2017, now onwards 4% reservation can we
> expect in recruitment & promotion, please clerify.
>
> On 8/17/17, Amiyo Biswas via Ai 
wrote:
>> This act came into force on 15th June.
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Amiyo Biswas
>> Cell: 9433464329
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "sazid shaik via Ai" 
>> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
>> Cc: "sazid shaik" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] RPD bill detail rules for discrimination and
reservation
>> in promotion for visually handicapped emploeis
>>
>>
>>> dear friends,
>>> Did the RPD bill came to effect in central govt.  As I came to know
>>> few suggestions are offered by the department to impliment?  when 
>>> can

>>> we expect thisto be in force.
>>>
>>> thanks and regards,
>>> sazid
>>>
>>> On 8/10/17, santosh thankachan via Ai
>>>  wrote:
 hello accessindians ,
i need a copy or information regarding the above said 
 subject

 please
 .
 Email id santali1...@gmail.com
   Thanks and regards
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Re: [Ai] reading JPEG files

2017-08-10 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

if you are using jaws 17 & above, you can use insert+spacebar followed by O 
& D letter. now, give a few seconds to OCR for  recognizing of the text.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shireen Irani via Ai" 

To: "Surajsingh Jogi" 
Cc: "Shireen Irani" ; "Share,empower &Enrich" 

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] reading JPEG files

thank you all for your suggestions. but at least for this particular
image, none of the key-combinations is working.

they all say the OCR is finished, but nothing is read when i move
around inside the image, neither does it display the text in a new
window.

but thank you all in any case.

Shireen.

On 8/10/17, Surajsingh Jogi  wrote:

Please press insert + spacebar o w
It should start reading with JAWS cursor.

Surajsingh Jogi,
Complaints management Dept.,
Kapas Bhawan,
GITC Belapur, Navi Mumbai 400614.
L/l 39367213 Mob. 9930137525

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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:04 PM
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Subject: [Ai] reading JPEG files

hi,

does the jaws OCR feature also read JPEG files? like a photo of a
text-file?
i tried  running a document OCR on it by pressing O and then D, but every
time there is a bell/ buzzer kinda thing that goes off, like its the 
wrong

command.

so please let me know if there's a different command for texts in 
pictures.

i don't mean a scanned document, I mean a photograph. the 1
that opens with   windows photo viewer.
I'm using jaws 16 with windows 7.
thanks,

Shireen.
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Re: [Ai] windows 10 related query

2017-08-02 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

The best way to resolve the issue, repeat the same procedure to roll back 
but if not possible due to any reason, then, you should have restore your 
windows on earlier days.
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Subject: [Ai] windows 10 related query

Dear Members,

after some minutes inactivity my windows automatically gets locked up and 
prompts me to enter password, however, I myself executed this setting, but 
now I don't want to keep this setting, What way I can get read of this?

I forgot whats to be done hence please guide,

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

2017-07-28 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

This issue is quite a sensitive one and we already have express our deep 
sympathey with the victim. I think, this is not a right forum to discuss 
over the matter. These people are only wasting the valuable time of the 
members. I request moderator, kindly intervene in the matter and ask all 
the members not to make further comment over the matter. These sensitive 
issues should not be posted in the group because everyone of us are behaving 
like a lawyer without knowing the fects and actual situation of the case.


- Original Message - 
From: "Avichal Bhatnagar via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "Avichal Bhatnagar" 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman




After reading all the discussion on the subject so far, I have a
question arising in my mind. If the man really wanted to help the
widow and wanted her to be his life partner, then why did he not marry
her first and perform the sexual communion later?
He took her to the guesthouse and had sex with her, on the pretext of
making her meet a lawyer.
This itself shows that the man's main motive was to satisfy his lust from 
her.


On 7/28/17, swati saxena via Ai  
wrote:

Well, maintaining clean distance or having / not having sex only after
getting married is subject to individual's choice.

But what has become clear from this whole discourse is that our
society is still insensitive even to an extremely sensitive situation
of a rape victim. The ones who are open minded, interpret the
situation in simplistic way undermining the undercurrents to which
women are still subjected to in our society, while others cannot even
come out of male chauvinism and put the blame of her situation on the
female itself, going to the extent of questioning her character and
sensibilities as happened in the bygone era.

In this case, even if according to certain thoughts it was a
consensual sex, what still remains a question is that what really we
mean by consensus. Asking for a choice after making someone a victim
of their atrocities, creating dependency in every sense, breaking
someone emotionally, leaving no / limited choice for her and then
asking for consensus is really not consensus according to my belief. I
will leave on others to spare a thought to it and decide what free
consensus according to them really is. Did the lady really have had a
free choice to decide whether or not to indulge into sexual
relationship with Mr. Kapoor repeatedly over the course of time?

I continue to believe that Mr. Kapoor deserves the punishment of
harshest kind because this whole case exists because he raped her in
the guest house in the first instance and the convict should not be
spared what so ever the situation is. No innocent deed at later stage
can justify a gruesome crime of rape.

I will stop my comments on this issue for now as most of the thoughts
are repeating only.
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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

2017-07-26 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

So many unanswered questions are there, those are important and directly 
goes against the lady but nobody is knowing the fects, its better to close 
the chapter.
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From: "Prabhu Kota via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "Prabhu Kota" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
May 30, 2015, to a guest house
this words clearly shows that they know each other earlier only.
well, coming to point, lets assume that the accused have taken the
advantage of the lady's position of being blind and widow and used it
to his advantage.
he also cheated her to continue to quench his thirst of lust for several 
days,

so he should be definitely punished.
but one question stands unanswered,
if he is punished, he also looses his govt job. instead of facing all
these troubles,  why didn't he just marry her instead?
it is impossible to rape a  person in a  public place like lodge
without her co-operation. i  feel.
here we can assume that the lady realized his intention very late
after being locked inside the room and couldn't knew what to do.
kapoor may have managed  to  convince that he will marry her anyways
later and she may have made to surrender to sex with him.
he may have rejected to marry her later due to any reason which may
have enraged her to sue him.
the lawyers know how to manage the game later. and the story ends.
these are my understandings only.

On 26/07/2017, swati saxena via Ai  
wrote:

So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?

Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
relationship.

It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.

Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.

If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.

I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
whatever kind.

On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai  
wrote:

No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
person.
Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
specially
for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give 
him

the maximum punishment.
- Original Message -
From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

Dear friends,

first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
the matter under consideration.

Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
understanding of the matter.

and I completely agree with Nupur here that we need to look at this
from a general angle and not the differently abled angle. Our justice
system is based on the principle of equality before law and equal
protection for all and so taking into account such factors would be
injust

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

2017-07-26 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Since the matter was raised in the group, ladies are trying to defend to 
victim while males are showing sympathey with the male. This is true, the 
incident should have been condemned by each of us. Similarly, nun of these 
should have become the victim of wrong interpretation of definition of Rape.
Generally, the decission of the court depends on the evidence, produced by 
the parties in favor of them before the court, experience and reputation of 
the advocate, that's why, Mr. Ramjet Malani, Mr. Kapil Sibbal and some other 
advocates are charging such a big amount for one haring.
- Original Message - 
From: "swati saxena via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "swati saxena" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman




So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?

Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
relationship.

It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.

Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.

If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.

I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
whatever kind.



On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai  
wrote:
No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal 
person.
Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled, 
specially

for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give 
him

the maximum punishment.
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From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman



Dear friends,

first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
the matter under consideration.

Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
understanding of the matter.

and I completely agree with Nupur here that we need to look at this
from a general angle and not the differently abled angle. Our justice
system is based on the principle of equality before law and equal
protection for all and so taking into account such factors would be
injustice to the person under consideration.

Cheers

Sparsh Guptta

On 7/26/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai 
wrote:

Well put Swati,

Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
article.

We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from 
such
discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. 
How
come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been 
unnecessarily

biased against men?


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From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf 
Of

swati saxena via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: swati saxena 
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping b

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

2017-07-26 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal person. 
Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled, specially 
for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that 
sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give him 
the maximum punishment.
- Original Message - 
From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

Dear friends,

first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
the matter under consideration.

Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
understanding of the matter.

and I completely agree with Nupur here that we need to look at this
from a general angle and not the differently abled angle. Our justice
system is based on the principle of equality before law and equal
protection for all and so taking into account such factors would be
injustice to the person under consideration.

Cheers

Sparsh Guptta

On 7/26/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai  
wrote:

Well put Swati,

Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
article.

We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from such
discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. How
come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been unnecessarily
biased against men?

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
swati saxena via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: swati saxena 
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

HI All,

Directly quoting from the article below lines.
"On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage."

It clearly states that the victim was raped by the convict first time
on pretext of meeting an advocate. How can it be justified as having
sexual relationship with the consent of the women? The lines further
states that later he abused her promising marriage. The words "
pretext of meeting an advocate" and "abuse" are enough evidences to
impose rigorous" punishment on the convict.

Subsequent sexual relationship could be on consent basis (facts in the
article insufficient to conclude the consent part), however this does
not in any case justify his act of raping the women for the first time
in the guest house. The interpretation by members that at the first
instance also it was on consent is wrong. I believe no matter whatever
happened after that, this punishment is highly justified for what he
did in the guest house. Future innocence (though no proof of that in
the article) in any case, cannot justify the heinous crime in the
first instance.

Comments like “men have to suffer in India because of these gender
biased laws” and “this would further de-motivate men to have sexual
relationship with women even with their consent”are highly
unfortunate. These statements try to show that men are highly
vulnerable in the hands of women because of these laws which is not
the case going by the rape statistics and innumerable crime against
women in India. As such comments are coming from members I am forced
to write that because of such grievous acts by men, females have to
live in India under a highly controlled environment which acts as a
roadblock for them in various scenarios during their whole life cycle.

Cheers
Swati Saxena

On 7/26/17, vivek doddamani via Ai 
wrote:

I agree with Prateek in sighted persons such cases occur but we have
never heard such a harsh punishment of 10 years, & in this case the
sexual relation had been between two person consent here we should use
the word cheating instead of rape,

On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai 
wrote:

The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual
relationship by her will and continued going on repeated basis. How
can this be even called rape is the question.
@Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the
door of court and found a favorable judgement, but I believe that this
can further de-

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

2017-07-26 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

I think, this is the misinterputation of the definition of rape. I am not 
agree with the decission in terms of rape. they were having physical 
relationship for the last 2 years with their mutual understanding but once 
he refused to marry, got punishment under the charges of rape. it was the 
game of advocates only, which's not justified at all.
- Original Message - 
From: "prateek aggarwal via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "prateek aggarwal" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

While questioning court's decision is a crime itself in india, isn't
this unfair to punish man while the repeated sexual relationships were
established in mutual consensus of both the partners?
As both of them had sex multiple times since 2015, how can this be
even called rape on the first place?
Yes the news suggests that the man has  promised marriage and   on
that pretext this sexual relationship was established, but things may
happen in the course of  2 years that may force a person to not marry
other. That does not definitely take the fact away that the sex
happened with the consent of girl.
Promises like these are not documented here in india.
Personally, I feel that the laws are sometimes being miss used by
females, like it has been in this context. This is unfortunate.

Regards,
Prateek agarwal.

On 7/26/17, Ajay Minocha via Ai  
wrote:

A very welcome judgement!

On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai  
wrote:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-blind-banker-gets-10-year-jail-for-raping-blind-woman/story-xQAJGpWmso2ioCesDHV2UM.html

A Gurgaon district court on Monday awarded 10 years rigorous
imprisonment to a blind man, a trainee probationary officer at a
public sector bank, who was found guilty of raping a 33-year-old blind
widow repeatedly on the pretext of marriage.

The court also imposed a penalty on convict Saurabh Kapoor, 35, who
was convicted of rape under Section 376 of the IPC.

Additional Sessions Judge Rajni Yadav, while pronouncing the quantum
of sentence, said that given the inhumanity of the act, it was
required to impose upon the convict substantive and stern sentence
that would commensurate with the gravity of the offence and also serve
as an example to others.

It is to be noted that since both the victim and the accused were
blind, the court had relied upon ‘voice identification’ that helped
the woman to identify Kapoor, a resident of Mayur Vihar in Delhi.

On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage.

The victim, who has an eight-year-old daughter, worked in a private
company in 2015, when the incident happened. She is currently
unemployed.

Public prosecutor Arvind Sharma said that the convict tried to seek
leniency from the court on account of his blindness.

“The accused also argued that he is a government servant and highly
qualified, but all these arguments were rejected by the court, which
awarded him 10 years of imprisonment,” said Sharma, adding that the
court has imposed a penalty of Rs 10,000, out of which Rs 8,000 would
go to the victim. The remaining Rs 2000 would go to the state. If the
accused fail to pay the fine, he will face one more year of
imprisonment.

The judge, in her order, also stated that undue sympathy to impose
inadequate sentence to the accused would do more harm as it will
undermine the public confidence.

“Keeping in view the offence committed by the convict, I am not
inclined to take a lenient view against him and release him on
probation. He has raped a young woman who was helpless, defenceless,
vulnerable and an easy prey who trusted the convict so much that she
surrendered herself to him. He used, violated and exploited her body,”
the court said.

District attorney Lal Singh Yadav said the court has given a strong
message to the society. “The convict had sexually exploited the victim
on the pretext of marriage,” he said.

--
Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU
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Re: [Ai] Unable to click notifications on Windows 10 with Jaws, Please help.

2017-07-24 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Use letter "A" with the combination of Windows key and press "Tab." now, use 
down arrow to read all these notifications one by one. Once again, use 
"Tab": and click on "Clear this notification". Delete all of these 
notification one by one by applying the same procedure.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mahesh S. Panicker via Ai" 

To: "Ai" 
Cc: "Mahesh S. Panicker" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:09 AM
Subject: [Ai] Unable to click notifications on Windows 10 with Jaws, Please 
help.

Hi listers,
as the subject line indicates, I am unable to work with the
notifications that would pop up from time to time on windows 10. Up to
Windows 7, if you click the left mouse button when the notification
pops up, it would get activated. On Windows 10, the same is not
working for me. There are different applications that would give the
notifications, but on clicking the left mouse button, nothing happens
and the notification simply disappears. There is no way to retrieve
the same either. Using up to date Windows 10 and Jaws 18. Any way I
can fix this? Your help is much appreciated.
Regards,

--
Dr. Mahesh S. Panicker
Assistant Professor,
Department of Political Science,
Lady Shri Ram College for Women,
Lajpat Nagar
New Delhi 110024
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Re: [Ai] Unable to click notifications on Windows 10 with Jaws, Please help.

2017-07-24 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai

Use Windows and A letter to Notification menu and press Tab. Now, use Down 
arrow to view all of the notifications. once you read all of these 
notifications, once again, use Tab and click on "Clear Notifications"
- Original Message - 
From: "Mahesh S. Panicker via Ai" 

To: "Ai" 
Cc: "Mahesh S. Panicker" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:09 AM
Subject: [Ai] Unable to click notifications on Windows 10 with Jaws, Please 
help.

Hi listers,
as the subject line indicates, I am unable to work with the
notifications that would pop up from time to time on windows 10. Up to
Windows 7, if you click the left mouse button when the notification
pops up, it would get activated. On Windows 10, the same is not
working for me. There are different applications that would give the
notifications, but on clicking the left mouse button, nothing happens
and the notification simply disappears. There is no way to retrieve
the same either. Using up to date Windows 10 and Jaws 18. Any way I
can fix this? Your help is much appreciated.
Regards,

--
Dr. Mahesh S. Panicker
Assistant Professor,
Department of Political Science,
Lady Shri Ram College for Women,
Lajpat Nagar
New Delhi 110024
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Re: [Ai] Facing Problem due to Windows Update

2017-07-19 Thread B. R. Nautial via Ai


Kindly download the updated version of Jaws 17 to resolve the issue.
Jaws 17 64 
bitftp://66.77.109.246/USERS/HJ/PRIVATE/WEBFILES/JAWS/172729PRC798/J17.0.2729ENU-X64.EXE


Jaws 17 32 
Bitftp://66.77.109.246/USERS/HJ/PRIVATE/WEBFILES/JAWS/172729PRC798/J17.0.2729ENU-X86.EXE


- Original Message - 
From: "Himanshu Sahu via Ai" 

To: 
Cc: "Himanshu Sahu" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:26 PM
Subject: [Ai] Facing Problem due to Windows Update



Dear Friends,
Yesterday I installed the latest update for my registered Windows 10
OS and since facing strange issues like  I am not able to open any
folder through run dialogue box or through "this PC" option,
alt tab (toggle menu) is also not working.
Moreover, it is causing problem in navigation and download on I.E.

Please suggest remedy to get out of this problem ASAP. it is causing
tremendous problem to me as I am not able to complete some urgent
assignment.
I am using JAWS 17 64 bit.

Looking forward for your prompt response...





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