Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

thanks for your strong commitment. But the absolute statement reveals over 
confidence which is always dangerous.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dipendra Manocha via Ai" 

To: "'Share, empower &Enrich'" 
Cc: "Dipendra Manocha" 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi 
incident




Dear all

NAB Delhi appreciates concerns related to safety of students studying in
institutions. Be rest assured that we are more concerned about safety of 
our

students than anyone else in this world. Do notice this fact that the
incident was not reported by any student but was caught by the vigilant
staff of the institution itself. This has happened due to various measures
put in place by NAB Delhi for this purpose. Strong evidence against this
crime too is a result of several measures taken by the institution in past
many years. Many advised us that we should hush this matter and not file 
FIR

against the person. However. Taking bold step of going to the police and
reporting about this and not trying to hide such incident is testimony 
about

our commitment to fight against this menace.

Right now law is taking its due course. All investigations, introspections
after a shocking incident like this and deriving learnings from this are 
all

happening.

Over all, we have seen solidarity from all sides and assistance is offered
to us so that we are not left alone in taking this fight to its 
conclusion.


I feel and so do many of the supporters that this is time to stand in
solidarity and  make sure it should be the criminals who should feel 
scared

and not the ones who take the courageous step of bringing such matters to
light.

Be rest assured that as per its standing of past 40 years, Nab Delhi  will
uphold its values and continue to bring about revolutionary changes for 
the

betterment of persons with blindness. We are determined to emerge stronger
from this adversity too.

Do not forget that often child abuse happens by most trusted members of
family or friends and this is what has happened to us too. This kind of
betrayal has shocked us and pained us to no end. I sincerely hope that we
will get support from the community to  fight  against child abusers and 
not

start getting victimized by the community itself.

Our responses to these discussions will be slow to come by as we are busy 
in
investigations, providing adequate support and counseling of students 
after

coming into light of such incident,  following up with the police case and
dealing with mainstream media in addition to the regular work of the
institution.

Thanks
Dipendra
-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 16:09
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: avinash shahi 
Subject: Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi
incident

As we lambast government for its failure, So we have equal rights to dwell
deep into wrong-doing in the NGO sector also. They afterall seek money in
the name of blind people's welfare.The recent incedent which surfaced at
National Association for the blind Delhi is just a tip of the iceberg. 
Over

the last two years the sexual assaults faced by children and female
residents have been widely reported in the media.
I remember, the female students at NAB Bangalore complaint harassment
against the NAB Bangalore officials, and the Karnataka CCPD took  some
action after being pressured by the civil society. The Panch Koyaan school
in Delhi which is also known as 'andh Maha vidyalay' was also in the news
recently where scenior students continued abusing junior students sexually
for years and the administration of the school took no action. I also
remember couple of years back, A reporter working with Manorma magazine 
has
brought forth the issue of sexual assaults faced by women residents at 
Sant
Nagar hostel by the donors and the administration didn't barred donors 
from

visiting hostels.
notwithstanding the unreported harassments which go unnoticed in hostels
where blind children/female students reside, The above cited case studies
paint a very scary portrayal of insecure atmosphere which impede the 
overall

development of blind children. Donation is the key to sustaining these
institutions but putting at stake the psychological and physical 
well-being

of young students raises several burning questions about day-to-day
functioning of such institutions.


On 9/7/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai 
wrote:

I think antecedents of volunteers also must be checked.
However, not checking antecedents is different from deliberately
allowing bad people to come in and volunteer.
Whatever, management should learn lessons for future.


From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
Of r k sarin via Ai
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Share, emp

Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[Dipendra Manocha via Ai]

Dear all

NAB Delhi appreciates concerns related to safety of students studying in
institutions. Be rest assured that we are more concerned about safety of our
students than anyone else in this world. Do notice this fact that the
incident was not reported by any student but was caught by the vigilant
staff of the institution itself. This has happened due to various measures
put in place by NAB Delhi for this purpose. Strong evidence against this
crime too is a result of several measures taken by the institution in past
many years. Many advised us that we should hush this matter and not file FIR
against the person. However. Taking bold step of going to the police and
reporting about this and not trying to hide such incident is testimony about
our commitment to fight against this menace. 

Right now law is taking its due course. All investigations, introspections
after a shocking incident like this and deriving learnings from this are all
happening. 

Over all, we have seen solidarity from all sides and assistance is offered
to us so that we are not left alone in taking this fight to its conclusion. 

I feel and so do many of the supporters that this is time to stand in
solidarity and  make sure it should be the criminals who should feel scared
and not the ones who take the courageous step of bringing such matters to
light.

Be rest assured that as per its standing of past 40 years, Nab Delhi  will
uphold its values and continue to bring about revolutionary changes for the
betterment of persons with blindness. We are determined to emerge stronger
from this adversity too.

Do not forget that often child abuse happens by most trusted members of
family or friends and this is what has happened to us too. This kind of
betrayal has shocked us and pained us to no end. I sincerely hope that we
will get support from the community to  fight  against child abusers and not
start getting victimized by the community itself.

Our responses to these discussions will be slow to come by as we are busy in
investigations, providing adequate support and counseling of students after
coming into light of such incident,  following up with the police case and
dealing with mainstream media in addition to the regular work of the
institution.

Thanks
Dipendra
-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 16:09
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: avinash shahi 
Subject: Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi
incident

As we lambast government for its failure, So we have equal rights to dwell
deep into wrong-doing in the NGO sector also. They afterall seek money in
the name of blind people's welfare.The recent incedent which surfaced at
National Association for the blind Delhi is just a tip of the iceberg. Over
the last two years the sexual assaults faced by children and female
residents have been widely reported in the media.
I remember, the female students at NAB Bangalore complaint harassment
against the NAB Bangalore officials, and the Karnataka CCPD took  some
action after being pressured by the civil society. The Panch Koyaan school
in Delhi which is also known as 'andh Maha vidyalay' was also in the news
recently where scenior students continued abusing junior students sexually
for years and the administration of the school took no action. I also
remember couple of years back, A reporter working with Manorma magazine has
brought forth the issue of sexual assaults faced by women residents at Sant
Nagar hostel by the donors and the administration didn't barred donors from
visiting hostels.
notwithstanding the unreported harassments which go unnoticed in hostels
where blind children/female students reside, The above cited case studies
paint a very scary portrayal of insecure atmosphere which impede the overall
development of blind children. Donation is the key to sustaining these
institutions but putting at stake the psychological and physical well-being
of young students raises several burning questions about day-to-day
functioning of such institutions.


On 9/7/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai 
wrote:
> I think antecedents of volunteers also must be checked.
> However, not checking antecedents is different from deliberately 
> allowing bad people to come in and volunteer.
> Whatever, management should learn lessons for future.
>
>
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf 
> Of r k sarin via Ai
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:13 PM
> To: Share, empower &Enrich
> Cc: r k sarin
> Subject: [DKIM Failure] Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi 
> incident
>
> I do not know whether mail will be covered or not, but still writing 
> with few questions. Is NAB Delhi not a voluntary organisation running 
> a school for the blind students and is it not the fact that it is not 
> an individual busine

Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[avinash shahi via Ai]

As we lambast government for its failure, So we have equal rights to
dwell deep into wrong-doing in the NGO sector also. They afterall seek
money in the name of blind people's welfare.The recent incedent which
surfaced at National Association for the blind Delhi is just a tip of
the iceberg. Over the last two years the sexual assaults faced by
children and female residents have been widely reported in the media.
I remember, the female students at NAB Bangalore complaint harassment
against the NAB Bangalore officials, and the Karnataka CCPD took  some
action after being pressured by the civil society. The Panch Koyaan
school in Delhi which is also known as 'andh Maha vidyalay' was also
in the news recently where scenior students continued abusing junior
students sexually for years and the administration of the school took
no action. I also remember couple of years back, A reporter working
with Manorma magazine has brought forth the issue of sexual assaults
faced by women residents at Sant Nagar hostel by the donors and the
administration didn't barred donors from visiting hostels.
notwithstanding the unreported harassments which go unnoticed in
hostels where blind children/female students reside, The above cited
case studies paint a very scary portrayal of insecure atmosphere which
impede the overall development of blind children. Donation is the key
to sustaining these institutions but putting at stake the
psychological and physical well-being of young students raises several
burning questions about day-to-day functioning of such institutions.


On 9/7/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai  wrote:
> I think antecedents of volunteers also must be checked.
> However, not checking antecedents is different from deliberately allowing
> bad people to come in and volunteer.
> Whatever, management should learn lessons for future.
>
>
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r
> k sarin via Ai
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:13 PM
> To: Share, empower &Enrich
> Cc: r k sarin
> Subject: [DKIM Failure] Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi
> incident
>
> I do not know whether mail will be covered or not, but still writing with
> few questions. Is NAB Delhi not a voluntary organisation running a school
> for the blind students and is it not the fact that it is not an individual
> business? Why personal then and why indirect threat of police under the term
> 'perhaps'. Nab did well by lodging an FIR against person but are we not
> interested to go beyond in the interest of organisation who such incident
> took place in the hostel and we cannot save our skin by saying that it is a
> sudden incidence. Nothing happens suddenly. Nothing hhappens suddenly in
> this world and with a person who is cclaimed to be physiccally and mentally
> unfit. Voluntary work never means to permit the worstt of the society to the
> blind persons and that is why I used to talk about the pathetic condition of
> the blind in terms of the outlook towards them by the society at large and
> the administrators of the majority of the voluntary organisations. Are we
> not interested in bettter image of this prestigious institution and do we
> not need to peep into facts in a genuine manner to see the better future of
> this institutions. If today, we make use of the useless tactics by avoiding
> discussion or making inquiry about these things, I strongly feel that we are
> the enemy of this institution and it will wither away with its misdeeds. to
> - Original Message -
> From: Prashant Ranjan Verma via
> Ai
> To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
> Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:54 AM
> Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
>
> Dear Harish,
> The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the
> POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to
> the identity of the victims.
> The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite
> legal action  by the police.
> So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto
> answer fquestions on phone or personal email.
> Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and
> they got  lot of complains already.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Prashant Verma
>
> Creating the Best way to Read and Publish
> http://www.daisy.org
>
> 
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> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity;
>
> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails
> sent through this mailing list..
>
>
>
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Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[Asudani, Rajesh via Ai]

I think antecedents of volunteers also must be checked.
However, not checking antecedents is different from deliberately allowing bad 
people to come in and volunteer.
Whatever, management should learn lessons for future.


From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r k 
sarin via Ai
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: [DKIM Failure] Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

I do not know whether mail will be covered or not, but still writing with few 
questions. Is NAB Delhi not a voluntary organisation running a school for the 
blind students and is it not the fact that it is not an individual business? 
Why personal then and why indirect threat of police under the term 'perhaps'. 
Nab did well by lodging an FIR against person but are we not interested to go 
beyond in the interest of organisation who such incident took place in the 
hostel and we cannot save our skin by saying that it is a sudden incidence. 
Nothing happens suddenly. Nothing hhappens suddenly in this world and with a 
person who is cclaimed to be physiccally and mentally unfit. Voluntary work 
never means to permit the worstt of the society to the blind persons and that 
is why I used to talk about the pathetic condition of the blind in terms of the 
outlook towards them by the society at large and the administrators of the 
majority of the voluntary organisations. Are we not interested in bettter image 
of this prestigious institution and do we not need to peep into facts in a 
genuine manner to see the better future of this institutions. If today, we make 
use of the useless tactics by avoiding discussion or making inquiry about these 
things, I strongly feel that we are the enemy of this institution and it will 
wither away with its misdeeds. to
- Original Message -
From: Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:54 AM
Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

Dear Harish,
The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the POCSO 
act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims.
The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite legal 
action  by the police.
So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto 
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.
Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and they 
got  lot of complains already.

Thanks,

Prashant Verma

Creating the Best way to Read and Publish
http://www.daisy.org


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