Re: AI-GEOSTATS: sparse data problem

2003-12-05 Thread Marcel Vallée
Gail

Sorry for not responding earlier to your request.

Your explanatory comment to Monica does not convince me
as a exploration and mining geologist. I think her comments are 
wise and should be considered.

A 20x30 km area is a large one even when dealing with very 
uniform geology. Even in such conditions, different properties 
may be encountered, either as faults, vein or fracturation 
system, small intrusive bodies, mineral showings or deposits, 
pollution zones, etc.

Such a small sample set as you have [few (5-6) original data 
points + interpolated external data] that covering whole study 
area] does not allow you to really appraise the validity and/or 
the geological cause of this outlier. (There might be a 
sampling or assaying cause also).  In such a case, it should be 
shown as an anomaly, not averaged out or kriged out.

Excluding sampling/analytical problems, the outlier only has a 
detectionvalue, meaning that the geology is not as uniform as 
expected and that additional geological observations and sampling 
in the vicinity is required to elucidate this problem.

We should view geostatistics as an ancillary tool to understand a 
two or three dimensional geological universe. Whenever data ara 
as sparse as in your exemple, kriged values  should not replace 
and/or eliminate the potential meaning of sparse field observations.

Sincerely

Marcel Vallée



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Gali Sirkis wrote:
Hi Monica,

thanks for quick reply. The interpolated data is a
different data set with is by its nature (speaking
about geological properties) should be correlated with
the sparse one. 
This is a geological data over not huge area - around
20x30 kilometers. It should have at least some spatial
correlation. The variogram is not of striking beauty
:) but it is not a pure nugget effect, though. 
The only other way meaningfully interpolate between
those sparse points, it seems to use the simple linear
regression between those two datasets.
The literature about kriging/interpolating for very
sparse data would definitely help, if anybody know
about, please let know. 

Thanks,

Gali

--- Monica Palaseanu-Lovejoy
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Hi,

I am not sure i understood correctly your question.
Fist of all, do 
the interpolated data have come from your sparse
data 
interpolation? What method of interpolation did you
use in this 
case?

After Burrough and McDonnel, 2000, you need at least
50 points to 
have reliable results through kriging. Certainly you
can do it on less 
data, but until now i never saw a study considering
this problem in 
depth (maybe there is literature out there, and if
it does and 
anybody knows about it - i would like to know it
also ;-))

Secondly, if you know the outlier is not an error,
but you interpret it 
as representing a different combination of
properties than the rest 
of your data - i am not very sure it is wise to use
it together with 
your rest of the data in any interpolation exercise.
The outlier may 
represent a different population and in this case i
cannot see any 
physical reason to treat all your data together if
parts of the data 
represent different things. At least this is my
opinion.

Besides, if your data is not only sparse (5 or 6
data points  it is 
really very sparse i think) but also far away in
space, they can be 
at distances grater than the spatial correlation
range, and in this 
case i really don't think you can use kriging 
you will have either 
a pure nugget effect or a very high nugget value and
not a too high 
spatial correlation.

Monica
Dear list members,

Please advise what to do in following case:
The sparse dataset for kriging inlcudes only few
(5-6) original data points + interpolated external
data, that covering whole study area.  One of the original data 
points seems completly not to
fit to the main correlation line between original and
external data, however mostly probable is not an
error, but might represent different combination of
data properties. Is there is any chance to use this outlying point?
Does is sound feasible for you as specialists in
statistical analysis to use the kriging method in this
case?

Many thanks in advance for your help,

Gali Sirkis



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AI-GEOSTATS: Re: sparse data problem

2003-12-05 Thread Isobel Clark
Everybody (especially Gali!)

Just to put the base case in perspective. Many
half-billion dollar projects in Southern Africa have
been evaluated and floated on the stock exchange on
the basis of 5 or 6 holes. When a sample costs a
couple of million dollars to acquire, there is little
point in hoping for more.

We use an extremely well sampled case in our (free)
tutorial analyses. Look for the GASA data which has 27
samples. An embarrassement of riches in the mid-1980s,
I can assure you. 

Isobel Clark
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