[android-developers] Re: How Are Content Providers To Interpret Section 5.3 of Google Play Developer Distribution Agreement?
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:04:03 AM UTC-8, Movie Master wrote: > > We are considering using Google Play to sell movies. The Google Play > Developer Distribution Agreement available at > https://play.google.com/about/developer-distribution-agreement.html says > in article 5.3: “…After termination of this Agreement, Google will not > distribute your Product, but may retain and use copies of the Product for > support of the Store and the Android platform.” We do not understand > Google’s intent by this sentence. In simpler and clearer terms, what is > Google’s intended meaning in this sentence and subsequent actions it can > take, specifically “…but may retain and use copies of the Product for > support of the Store and the Android platform.”? This sentence appears > deliberately ambiguous in order to give Google huge latitude to do just > about anything it wants to with our content, and without promise of > compensation to us the rightful copyright holder, after we cease doing > business with it. People use their jobs and businesses to generate income > to "support" their family. Is Google leaving the door open to use our > proprietary content to "support" its store after we're gone through means > other than direct distribution? It's not unusual for video hosting sites > to clench ungodly amounts of intellectual property rights simply because it > sits upon their servers. Maybe a rewrite of this Agreement is in order. > > > > I'm assuming that only a representative from Google Play can give an > authoritative answer that's not just an opinion unless somebody elsewhere > has dealt with this same issue themselves. Google appears to have gone out > of its way to make it difficult to reach anybody who is authorized to > answer this question. If you know how to reach their legal department > directly so that we can receive their WRITTEN clarification, let me know. > We will short circuit any legal disputes with Google before they arise. > UPDATE: 4/6/2016 GOOGLE WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLE "DON'T BE EVIL" Ha! I won't elect to operate my own server because of the huge amounts of highly affordable and high speed bandwidth available worldwide to professional video hosting sites which simultaneously draw in great numbers of customers looking for exactly what we offer. Professional server maintenance is performed by them. This represents a huge savings on marketing and maintenance costs. It's a classic case of "buy or build". There are so many developers who've trusted Google but it seems they've been suckered when they clicked through and approved the terms of service agreement. 1. Try to find anybody to talk with directly at Google, ever. 2. Though their legal department is huge, try to find ANY way anywhere to contact them. 3. Their Terms of Service agreement apparently leaves Google the right to continue to exploit the intellectual property of others for their own material gain even after the business association is dissolved. 4. Google representatives declined to provide answers, written or otherwise, until and unless I signed up to be considered for their service and was "approved". 5. To date, Google would not indicate if and when the request to join Google Play was approved. It's been almost a month since this inquiry began. Put simply, "If you aren't part of us, we won't talk to you." so you won't be able to document or alert anybody else on ways we'll convertly profit from them. 6. Google avoided answering any questions about their Terms of Service Agreement by simply slipping silently off into the sunset. Many thousands of present and future content developers will remain unaware of the business dangers lurking under them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/android-developers. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/android-developers/2670267a-0dd6-4642-88bb-86c6ac47d240%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [android-developers] How Are Content Providers To Interpret Section 5.3 of Google Play Developer Distribution Agreement?
Thanks for reply Chuck. I'm not convinced that I need to hire an attorney to receive this simple clarification from Google, unless Google hides behind some legal firewall to distance and protect itself from its customers by having to answer customer inquiries. On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:23:55 AM UTC-8, Chuck Crisler wrote: > > The section sounds like they want to provide support to their current/your > former customers. I doubt that Google would sell copies of your app without > compensating you. They have too much to lose. However, for an authoritative > legal opinion you need to hire an attorney to contact the Google legal > department. > On Feb 22, 2016 1:04 PM, "Movie Master" wrote: > >> We are considering using Google Play to sell movies. The Google Play >> Developer Distribution Agreement available at >> https://play.google.com/about/developer-distribution-agreement.html says >> in article 5.3: “…After termination of this Agreement, Google will not >> distribute your Product, but may retain and use copies of the Product for >> support of the Store and the Android platform.” We do not understand >> Google’s intent by this sentence. In simpler and clearer terms, what is >> Google’s intended meaning in this sentence and subsequent actions it can >> take, specifically “…but may retain and use copies of the Product for >> support of the Store and the Android platform.”? This sentence appears >> deliberately ambiguous in order to give Google huge latitude to do just >> about anything it wants to with our content, and without promise of >> compensation to us the rightful copyright holder, after we cease doing >> business with it. People use their jobs and businesses to generate income >> to "support" their family. Is Google leaving the door open to use our >> proprietary content to "support" its store after we're gone through means >> other than direct distribution? It's not unusual for video hosting sites >> to clench ungodly amounts of intellectual property rights simply because it >> sits upon their servers. Maybe a rewrite of this Agreement is in order. >> >> >> >> I'm assuming that only a representative from Google Play can give an >> authoritative answer that's not just an opinion unless somebody elsewhere >> has dealt with this same issue themselves. Google appears to have gone out >> of its way to make it difficult to reach anybody who is authorized to >> answer this question. If you know how to reach their legal department >> directly so that we can receive their WRITTEN clarification, let me know. >> We will short circuit any legal disputes with Google before they arise. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/android-developers. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/android-developers/9095b634-980c-4f65-9309-b217fa94b3c0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[android-developers] How Are Content Providers To Interpret Section 5.3 of Google Play Developer Distribution Agreement?
We are considering using Google Play to sell movies. The Google Play Developer Distribution Agreement available at https://play.google.com/about/developer-distribution-agreement.html says in article 5.3: “…After termination of this Agreement, Google will not distribute your Product, but may retain and use copies of the Product for support of the Store and the Android platform.” We do not understand Google’s intent by this sentence. In simpler and clearer terms, what is Google’s intended meaning in this sentence and subsequent actions it can take, specifically “…but may retain and use copies of the Product for support of the Store and the Android platform.”? This sentence appears deliberately ambiguous in order to give Google huge latitude to do just about anything it wants to with our content, and without promise of compensation to us the rightful copyright holder, after we cease doing business with it. People use their jobs and businesses to generate income to "support" their family. Is Google leaving the door open to use our proprietary content to "support" its store after we're gone through means other than direct distribution? It's not unusual for video hosting sites to clench ungodly amounts of intellectual property rights simply because it sits upon their servers. Maybe a rewrite of this Agreement is in order. I'm assuming that only a representative from Google Play can give an authoritative answer that's not just an opinion unless somebody elsewhere has dealt with this same issue themselves. Google appears to have gone out of its way to make it difficult to reach anybody who is authorized to answer this question. If you know how to reach their legal department directly so that we can receive their WRITTEN clarification, let me know. We will short circuit any legal disputes with Google before they arise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/android-developers. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/android-developers/662cfb20-06a4-486e-bff0-9ecbb97191a7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
