Re: Framework getting interesting again

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Gen 1 Raspberry Pis everywhere are quaking in their hats.

Also long live open source instruction sets! Super curious to see where
RISC-V goes.

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Jun 18, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> From the blog post:
>
> This Mainboard is extremely compelling, but we want to be clear that in
> this generation, it is focused primarily on enabling developers, tinkerers,
> and hobbyists to start testing and creating on RISC-V. The peripheral set
> and performance aren’t yet competitive with our Intel and AMD-powered
> Framework Laptop Mainboards. *This board also has soldered memory and
> uses MicroSD cards and eMMC for storage, both of which are limitations of
> the processor. *It is a great way to start playing with RISC-V though
> inside of a thin, light, refined laptop.
>
>
> Also, it's not very powerful; a Raspberry Pi 4 blows it out of the water:
> https://www.phoronix.com/review/visionfive2-riscv-benchmarks
>
> Unless you're just wanting to tinker with RISC-V, this isn't going to be
> your next laptop.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Austin Godber via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> I was hoping for an ARM option.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 6:35 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Am 18. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> >
> https://frame.work/blog/introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing
> >
> > So now they have a RISC V CPU option coming... Interesting.
>
> Cool. It'd be fun to play with that :)
>
> More importantly to me, it's partner developed hardware. It shows
> Framework trying to build an ecosystem around modular hardware.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: OT Humidity, was time off

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

> It's all FUD. If anything, agricultural land uses more water than residential 
> land, and agricultural land is what's getting converted to residential. So 
> every acre converted means less water use.

This is not a typical LUG convo, but this one really peaked my
interest. I grew up around the farming community, and still have
family members who are heavily involved in water discussions as their
livelihoods depend on it. To categorize this as FUD, is naive at best.

History lesson time, with broad generalizations and without sources (I
care, but not that much):

The metro phoenix-tucson area, as a Western construct, was built
around water, and canals, and farming, with a little bit of mining
support for Eastern AZ. You bring water in, you farm, and you ship out
your harvest. Arizona has good soil, and (for farming) an amazing
amount of sunshine, we grow some of the finest cotton (Pima) in the
world because of the heat, and access to irrigation.

There are two main canal systems, listed below with their start dates

1903 - SRP (Salt River project): Salt and Verde Rivers
1986 - CAP (Central Arizona Project): Colorado River

They both provide millions of acre feet per year for the state's water
supply. The Salt and Verde are tributary and snow melt fed, mainly in
AZ, but also in Western New Mexico. The Colorado from snow melt in the
Rockies, and is governed by compact among the states that border it.

Both have produced the water necessary for AZ to grow, and supply
residential, industrial, and agricultural needs. The pecking order has
been residential/industrial and then ag. Ag for years has received
that allocation of surplus and distributed it using irrigation
districts to farmers who then grow crops with it.

CAP, relying on the drought-affected Colorado River is topped out.
SRP, with its multiple reservoirs and groundwater sources, has managed
to maintain a more stable supply. Residential and industrial usege has
completely taken over the CAP allocations (they were designed that
way), but SRP still will provide for some time.

Arizona builders have to secure an AWS certificate saying that they've
secured ground water for 100 years for their builds. The drought and
increased water pulls from all sides have made that situation tenable
for the moment, but if AZ continues to grow, there's a question of for
how long.

Long term - I don't think the growth curve AZ is on is sustainable
without burying the water transport (converting canals to pipes) to
avoid evaporation from the exposed surface, but that has it's own set
of issues as well.

Short term - it scares me. The situation is tenable, but it's on a
razor's edge, and if there are issues with the dams/reservoirs, and
the supply, it's going to hurt. A lot.

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott

On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 7:39 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Actually, our current lack of water (and the current drought were in), as 
> part of a 550 year-long cycle. This particular cycle started somewhere 
> between 1982 and 1986 with one of the driest years we had, sometime in the 
> last 10 years. And yes, this heat wave that we’re suffering through is 
> actually part of that. The same  Sometime in the last 10 years. And yes, this 
> heat wave that were suffering through is actually part of that. The same 
> thing happened from 700 years ago which pretty well deep populated the entire 
> desert Southwest (that would explain all those ruins all over the place that 
> date back to that time).  Also, as far as human interaction on the 
> environment is concerned, it’s mostly local (take a look at the heat dome 
> over Phoenix as it only exists over the valley of the sun and not much else 
> except for maybe Tucson). Those are pretty well localized effects and, they 
> do have an impact.
>
> As for agricultural use of land, this environment is perfect for growing some 
> kinds of foods that will not grow in other places. Unfortunately, a lot of 
> people don’t seem to realize that food is needed, and there are better ways 
> to water those fields instead of using just irrigation.  Yes, we do have a 
> waterfall here, and yes, it is going to get worse. I give it another 500 
> years or so before we’re back into wet cycle (and yeah, all the allocation of 
> the Colorado river was made during a period when there was substantially more 
> rainfall than there is now).
>
> I have done a lot of research on this, so I pretty well know what it is. I’m 
> talking about. BTW, welcome to the drought that is normal for this part of 
> the world (California tree study confirmed this quite some time ago, and you 
> can actually look it up).
>
> – Eric
> From the central offices of the Technomage guild,  Environmental research 
> department
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2024, at 6:20 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Interesting topic.  I wonder how it will workout.
> >
> > I read an article last year about a couple in Tucson 

Re: AWS S3 PHP SDK no longer viable - replace with restic???

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Would using a docker container be an option?

https://jlelse.blog/dev/restic-docker

I run my own stuff in docker already, so adding this on was an easy bolt on.

> I've taken a look at restic and it appears I will need to create a PHP
> script that will tar files and data and run the restic command for
> posting the tarballs to my S3 bucket.  This script will be activated by
> Cron.

Have you thought about letting restic do that natively? it's capable
of effectively only grabbing the changes/diffs, as opposed to
archiving and then sending to S3.



Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 12:53 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> I sent an email to the list that did not appear to make it.
>
> ===
> Subject : AWS S3 PHP SDK no longer viable.
>
> Body  :
>
> Hi,
>
> In 2017 I created a backup script using the AWS S3 PHP SDK that would
> extract, tar, and upload to S3.  Version 3 of the SDK does not work with
>   PHP version 8.x.  There's some code on GitHub that will extent the SDK
> to PHP version 8.03 Yikes...
>
> I like using S3 for backups...
>
> A friend used to use PERL with S3, however he is saying it takes too
> much maintenance.
>
> The website I am backing up is a WordPress website on a VPS running
> Ubuntu with Plesk on top of that.
>
> This page : https://github.com/aws/aws-sdk-php/releases/tag/3.235.7 says
> there is support for PHP 8.1 which is in security fix mode and will be
> end of life in what looks like about about 8 months.
>
> Any thoughts on this issue.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Keith
>
> ===
>
> I've been in contact with my friend who owns a hosting company and he
> says he has moved away from the AWS SDK and is now using restic.
>
> I've taken a look at restic and it appears I will need to create a PHP
> script that will tar files and data and run the restic command for
> posting the tarballs to my S3 bucket.  This script will be activated by
> Cron.
>
> Doing so does not seem to be very well documented.
>
> Any thoughts are very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
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Re: Print from iPhone via Wi-Fi

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

I know for me, I'm able to


   1. Go to the document
   2. Tap Share
   3. Tap Print
   4. Select my printer
   5. and print

The printer is on my wifi network, same vlan and subnet, and no
computer attached.

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


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> How does one print to an up printer via Wi-Fi from an iPhone?
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Re: https://www.zerotier.com/

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

it's fantastic - the only caveat I've found is that the clients all have to
be running the same version to see each other. If you need to upgrade and
site x isn't available to get the update, we've run into a few issues
getting it updated after the fact.
Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 3:47 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> we just started using it at work.
> thanks for the confirmation we are on a good path
>
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:40:25 PM MST, Michael Butash via
> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>
>
> I love zerotier, I've used it for a good 10 years or so now, and recommend
> it to everyone I know including customers.  It's great as an always on vpn
> connection betweens hosts and servers.
>
> Funny, I was just literally talking to a customer a half-hour ago thanking
> me again for telling them about zerotier.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:19 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> https://www.zerotier.com/
>
> Has anyone heard of this and know if it works well?
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: converting CentOS to Rocky Linux

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Rocky has a solid guide depending on your usage.

https://docs.rockylinux.org/guides/migrate2rocky/

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:45 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hello,
>   Has anyone tried to covnert a CentOS to Rocky Linux yet?
> Do you have any advise for doing this?  My CentOS is showing
> I am no longer registered and cannot do updates.  I work associate
> said he heard there was a way.  I am looking right now.
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: suggestions to add REST API to MySQL / MariaDB tables

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

> Some may ask, “Why not some cloud service, like AWS or …?” My only answer
is: because this is what I know right now. Convince me otherwise.

I'm biased, but I'd use - spin up a VPC, attach a database vm, and a
front-end vm, and only expose the front-end vm. Then you have a private
network to the MySQL instance. Or use DBaaS, but that's $15 a mo.

Heck, here's a $200 credit to get started on DO


Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 2:52 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> That’s certainly the simplest way, and it’s probably fine for an intranet
> that’s behind a firewall, but it’s not safe for a a public-facing
> application, which is what this is.
>
> But thanks for the reminder.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2023, at 7:34 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Seems like what you are attempting would be routine.  (remote MySql)
>
> I found this ::
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27916503/lamp-setup-with-remote-mysql
> 
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Keith
>
>
> On 2023-02-24 03:00, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> I’m building a web app that requires a membership with various levels.
> There will be a front-end (the web app) and a back-end on a Windows server.
> I’m thinking about putting the user DB on separate server.
> I have this tool that lets me build apps using php and MySQL really easily
> to handle my basic admin needs (AppGini) and I’m thinking of using that to
> create the member’s DB and maintain it.
> But if it’s on another server, then I’ll need some kind of interface to it
> so the back-end service can talk to it and do basic user-access things,
> like login/logout, change their pwd, get their basic account details, maybe
> deal with payments.
> I’ve done a bit of poking around and it seems that in a Linux server with
> Apache, you need a little “router” that takes the incoming requests and
> routes them to endpoints by calling some php methods that access the DB. Or
> maybe it implements them itself.
> It looks like there may even be something like that included in MySQL.
> I have a shared hosting account that runs cPanel and WHM, so I don’t have
> access to the shell (well, it’s an option per account in WHM, and I’ve
> asked, but generally not).
> This sort of thing is something I’ve had the dubious luxury of having
> managed everywhere I’ve worked by an IT Dept, but this is for me and I
> haven’t done this stuff in a long time. This is mainly for Dev + Test; I’ll
> set up a dedicated server when I go into production.
> So I’m curious what y’all think of this approach.
> Some may ask, “Why not some cloud service, like AWS or …?” My only answer
> is: because this is what I know right now. Convince me otherwise.
> I’d actually be open to a 3rd-party service if you know of any that’s free
> or really cheap for Devs to set up.
> -David Schwartz
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Re: TDD w/ Python, ch 9

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Correction: My account *does* get a $25 credit if you end up spending $25
over the lifetime of your account. Currently, that's a zero sum for me as I
don't pay for my resources on DO.
Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:46 AM Thomas Scott 
wrote:

> https://m.do.co/c/6f0c38f7ef53 -  referral code for DigitalOcean - good
> for $200/for 60 days. After that, the $4/mo droplet (VPS) is good for most
> simple development, and can scale up or down as needed (as long as you
> don't increase the disk size). Anyone feel free to use it!
>
> Disclaimer: I've worked on their backbone team since June of last year, I
> do not get paid for referrals :)
>
> As far as domain names, I go where it's cheapest for my throwaways, used
> google domains for a bit, but I think that's defunct (shocker).
>
> Best Regards,
> -Thomas Scott
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 8:50 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I have not heard of and unusual blacklisting of Bluehost.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2023-01-25 09:21, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 8:30 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Trent,
>> >>
>> >> First question is what is in your heart?  Is the path you are
>> >> following
>> >> where you want to go?  Do not read anything into my question.  It is
>> >> all
>> >> about you, and what you want to do.
>> >
>> > I wanted to be an anthropologist (almost got a PhD), but programming
>> > is the next coolest thing, and until the AIs take over there are a lot
>> > more jobs and it pays better--even in a recession.   :)
>> >
>> >> I would suggest Bluehost and get as many months as you may need.  I
>> >> know
>> >> they have a discount for new customers and I think you have to buy a
>> >>
>> >> year or more to get the discount - worth investigating.  I think
>> >> they
>> >> use cPanel, which may or may not be of use to you.
>> >
>> > Aren't Bluehost hosted sites often blacklisted?  I need to get to this
>> > from my personal PC, plugged into my employer's internet.
>> >
>> >> Make sure you have shell access to your shared hosting server.
>> >>
>> >> I would stay away from GoDaddy for the only reason of price.  I
>> >> would
>> >> encourage you look at them and see how they stack up.
>> >>
>> >> I used to buy my domains at GoDaddy until the price kept increasing.
>> >>
>> >> Now I am with NameSilo.
>> >>
>> >> If you are not going to keep the website you might consider a
>> >> hypervisor
>> >> instead of shared hosting. Look at VirtualBox and Proxmox.  By using
>> >> a
>> >> virtualization software you can build your own server (good for
>> >> learning
>> >> and resume) and save a few bucks.  It will take some time and there
>> >> is a
>> >> learning curve.
>> >
>> > So basically set up a guest as a server and then connect to the guest
>> > like it's a server on the public internet?  My Mint development
>> > environment is a guest on Windows.   I am an 'occasional' Linux and
>> > FOSS user.
>> >
>> > Also, I like programming and software engineering and I'm always happy
>> > when someone does the admin for me and tells me how they want the app
>> > to implement security.  (That is admin is moderately fun, and thinking
>> > about security makes me more anxious and paranoid in general, which is
>> > unpleasant--so I'm even more happy to outsource as much of that as I
>> > can get away with.)
>> >
>> > (My general observation as an almost qualified anthropologist is that
>> > security professionals, whether prison guards, police, or
>> > cyber-security are more anxious and suspicious -- even paranoid than
>> > the population at large.  I suspect they start a little bit more
>> > anxious and suspicious [and it turns them on], then thinking about and
>> > coping with all the stuff bad actors can do to you all day long makes
>> > it ever so much more so.)
>> >
>> >> I recently configured Proxmox on a old piece hardware and am glad I
>> >> did.
>> >>
>> >> Keith
>> >>
>> >> On 2023-01-25 07:53, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >>> I'm on the bench with my employer asd studying test driven
>> >> development
>> >>> using Harry Precival's Test-Driven Development with Python.
>> >> Percival
>> >>> uses a simple web site on Django as the practice or example
>> >> project.
>> >>> In chapter 9 the baby website gets put on a real hosted web
>> >> server.
>> >>> It needs to be an olde fashioned service where you have the
>> >> freedom to
>> >>> do a lot of admin work.  That is, you need to have enough rope to
>> >> hang
>> >>> yourself.  I also need a domain name and  two sub-domain names.
>> >> Price
>> >>> is important.  I will probably finish the tutorial book and throw
>> >> the
>> >>> site away instead of keeping it as a personal website.
>> >>>
>> >>> Has anyone got any suggestions for where to get a domain name and
>> >> a
>> >>> hosting service?
>> >>>
>> >>> Trent
>> >>>
>> >>> Choosing Where to Host Our Site
>> >>>
>> >>> There 

Re: TDD w/ Python, ch 9

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

https://m.do.co/c/6f0c38f7ef53 -  referral code for DigitalOcean - good for
$200/for 60 days. After that, the $4/mo droplet (VPS) is good for most
simple development, and can scale up or down as needed (as long as you
don't increase the disk size). Anyone feel free to use it!

Disclaimer: I've worked on their backbone team since June of last year, I
do not get paid for referrals :)

As far as domain names, I go where it's cheapest for my throwaways, used
google domains for a bit, but I think that's defunct (shocker).

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 8:50 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I have not heard of and unusual blacklisting of Bluehost.
>
>
>
> On 2023-01-25 09:21, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 8:30 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Trent,
> >>
> >> First question is what is in your heart?  Is the path you are
> >> following
> >> where you want to go?  Do not read anything into my question.  It is
> >> all
> >> about you, and what you want to do.
> >
> > I wanted to be an anthropologist (almost got a PhD), but programming
> > is the next coolest thing, and until the AIs take over there are a lot
> > more jobs and it pays better--even in a recession.   :)
> >
> >> I would suggest Bluehost and get as many months as you may need.  I
> >> know
> >> they have a discount for new customers and I think you have to buy a
> >>
> >> year or more to get the discount - worth investigating.  I think
> >> they
> >> use cPanel, which may or may not be of use to you.
> >
> > Aren't Bluehost hosted sites often blacklisted?  I need to get to this
> > from my personal PC, plugged into my employer's internet.
> >
> >> Make sure you have shell access to your shared hosting server.
> >>
> >> I would stay away from GoDaddy for the only reason of price.  I
> >> would
> >> encourage you look at them and see how they stack up.
> >>
> >> I used to buy my domains at GoDaddy until the price kept increasing.
> >>
> >> Now I am with NameSilo.
> >>
> >> If you are not going to keep the website you might consider a
> >> hypervisor
> >> instead of shared hosting. Look at VirtualBox and Proxmox.  By using
> >> a
> >> virtualization software you can build your own server (good for
> >> learning
> >> and resume) and save a few bucks.  It will take some time and there
> >> is a
> >> learning curve.
> >
> > So basically set up a guest as a server and then connect to the guest
> > like it's a server on the public internet?  My Mint development
> > environment is a guest on Windows.   I am an 'occasional' Linux and
> > FOSS user.
> >
> > Also, I like programming and software engineering and I'm always happy
> > when someone does the admin for me and tells me how they want the app
> > to implement security.  (That is admin is moderately fun, and thinking
> > about security makes me more anxious and paranoid in general, which is
> > unpleasant--so I'm even more happy to outsource as much of that as I
> > can get away with.)
> >
> > (My general observation as an almost qualified anthropologist is that
> > security professionals, whether prison guards, police, or
> > cyber-security are more anxious and suspicious -- even paranoid than
> > the population at large.  I suspect they start a little bit more
> > anxious and suspicious [and it turns them on], then thinking about and
> > coping with all the stuff bad actors can do to you all day long makes
> > it ever so much more so.)
> >
> >> I recently configured Proxmox on a old piece hardware and am glad I
> >> did.
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >> On 2023-01-25 07:53, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> I'm on the bench with my employer asd studying test driven
> >> development
> >>> using Harry Precival's Test-Driven Development with Python.
> >> Percival
> >>> uses a simple web site on Django as the practice or example
> >> project.
> >>> In chapter 9 the baby website gets put on a real hosted web
> >> server.
> >>> It needs to be an olde fashioned service where you have the
> >> freedom to
> >>> do a lot of admin work.  That is, you need to have enough rope to
> >> hang
> >>> yourself.  I also need a domain name and  two sub-domain names.
> >> Price
> >>> is important.  I will probably finish the tutorial book and throw
> >> the
> >>> site away instead of keeping it as a personal website.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone got any suggestions for where to get a domain name and
> >> a
> >>> hosting service?
> >>>
> >>> Trent
> >>>
> >>> Choosing Where to Host Our Site
> >>>
> >>> There are loads of different solutions out there these days, but
> >> they
> >>> broadly fall into two camps:
> >>>
> >>> * Running your own (possibly virtual) server
> >>> * Using a Platform-As-A-Service (PaaS) offering like Heroku,
> >>> OpenShift, or PythonAnywhere
> >>>
> >>> Particularly for small sites, a PaaS offers a lot of advantages,
> >> and I
> >>> would definitely recommend looking into them. 

Re: Pretty-print a directory tree

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Is the utility `tree` an option? You can also use a subprocess call to call
it from within Python.

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


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>
> Does anyone know how to get an ASCII/Unicode pretty-print of a directory
> tree, preferably using a Python library or utility.I wanted one to ask
> a list for help, but my Google-foo was not up to the task.  A working
> Google search string would be even better than "here follow the link to the
> utility on GitHub."
>
>
> Trent
>
>
> /home/user/Projects/flask-tutorial
> ├── flaskr/
> │   ├── __init__.py
> │   ├── db.py
> │   ├── schema.sql
> │   ├── auth.py
> │   ├── blog.py
> │   ├── templates/
> │   │   ├── base.html
> │   │   ├── auth/
> │   │   │   ├── login.html
> │   │   │   └── register.html
> │   │   └── blog/
> │   │   ├── create.html
> │   │   ├── index.html
> │   │   └── update.html
> │   └── static/
> │   └── style.css
> ├── tests/
> │   ├── conftest.py
> │   ├── data.sql
> │   ├── test_factory.py
> │   ├── test_db.py
> │   ├── test_auth.py
> │   └── test_blog.py
> ├── venv/
> ├── setup.py
> └── MANIFEST.in
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Re: Proxmox

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Proxmox is an ESXi replacement If I recall correctly? So it's a little bit
more than Virtualbox. It's installed on baremetal as the HV, vs being
installed as an HV on top of the OS. It's incredibly powerful though! Best
of luck.

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> On 2022-11-16 14:06, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:55:46 -0700
> >
> >>
> >> I am thinking of loading Proxmox on this computer and just moving
> >> forward.
> >>
> >> I watched a video on Proxmox and it looks simple enough.
> >
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > When you've installed Proxmox, please tell us all about the process,
> > the landmines, the secrets, and how well it fits our needs. This will
> > be great information.
> >
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I will. Might be a couple days.  Part of my decision comes from watching
> this video   :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u8qTN3cCnQ  He makes it
> sound simple.
>
> Keith
>
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
> > Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm
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Re: Off Topic : Fast Food is Getting Expensive

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Does In'N Out qualify as half decent? (It's good while it's hot)

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 8:05 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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>
> Hi,
>
> I just went to 5 guys in Chandler and ordered 2 double cheeseburgers, a
> large Fry, and large fountain drink.  It was for me and my wife.  We
> usually only get one cheeseburger, however she wanted one by herself.
>
> Here is the punch line  :  almost $40.00. Yes you saw that correctly.
>
> About 8 years ago we stopped going out to eat for the most part when 2
> combination plates of Mexican food with drinks came to $40.00.  We
> decided to not eat out and very rarely do so.
>
> Any thoughts on places to get halfway decent food for a reasonable cost?
>
> I think I may evaluate making my own burgers.  With the cost of beef we
> eat very little.
>
> Thanks!!
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Re: Experience with DigitalOcean & UFW

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

I don't remember, but I feel like DO wants you to use SSH keys by default,
and opens 22 by default. You should be able to add keys from the console.
Can you telnet to port 22 and not get a "port closed" message?


Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


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>
>
> I am creating a "Droplet" on DigitalOcean and discovered something I
> want to share and it also prompts a question.
>
> I enabled ufw and opened a few ports.  Then I logged out.  When I tried
> to login later I realized I had not opened port 22 SSH.  I thought they
> had done that for me.
>
> I contacted support and they told me they could not help because they do
> not have access to my server.
>
> 1) I learned one more thing - ensure port 22 is open.  Life seems to be
> perpetual learning.
>
> 2) My question is if someone blocks port 22 or whatever they set SSH to
> how can support or anyone else open that port?
>
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Re: Facebook videos

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I'm hesitant to ask since you've tried across multiple browsers, but have
you checked your browser extensions? Might be blocked by a blocklist from
ublock, adblock, etc... if you check the web console, is anything being
denied when you load the page or press play? If I had to guess, it's either
not getting there, or missing a codec. I don't run linux day to day on my
desktop, but that's what I've seen in the past.

I run nextdns.io instead of a pi-hole, and I've had complaints from family
who were visiting that videos weren't loading. Lots of privacy centric
filters block facebook aggressively (shocker). It begged the question why
they were on the phone watching facebook videos when they flew across the
country to spend time with us, but I digress.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 11:58 AM Dennis McClellan via PLUG-discuss <
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> For about the last month I can't get any video to work on Facebook.
>
> I get this message, (Sorry, we're having trouble playing this video. Learn
> More.)
>
> Hitting the Learn More tab brings me to another page that states "I can't
> view or play videos on Facebook.
>
> Restart Browser and computer. Did that
>
> Check internet connection. I have Cox's one-gigabyte connection.
>
> Update browser. Running Firefox 95.1.
>
> Let us know if you're still having issues playing video: I did twice. No
> response.
>
> I have the latest version of Mint (20.3)
>
> This also happens with the Opera browser but not the Chromium browser. I
> am a Firefox lover.
>
> Does anyone else have this issue?
>
>
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Re: Demand for programmers who know system admin stuff

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I'm in the opposite realm - was a programmer and kind of an admin
(glorified script kiddie?), went into networking, and then got back into
programming, because it was a "thing" to automate networks. It's now my
full time job, and I enjoy it a ton. The network to code slack is full of
network engineers who have become that new hybrid. Sorry if that doesn't
help from the opposite direction!

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:57 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
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> With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some time off
> from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this is a common
> thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat.  I'm seeing a lot of devs showing
> up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin stuff lots, ala "how to make
> apache do x", or "how do I automate my servers", which I find weird as
> that's sysadmin stuff normally (to me).  Oddly enough it's a pretty diverse
> crowd of folks that are kinda hybrids, done networking, done sysadmin, some
> are php/web devs, etc, but lots of system-centric stuff so it tends to work
> out for info seekers.  I suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, they'd
> know nothing of networking, but #networking tends to come from diverse
> enough roots they do this stuff too, or did at one point at least.
>
> Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to know
> some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking.  The line blurs, but people
> can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active directory" anymore,
> they're replaceable with shell scripts.  I've done unix/linux, some dev,
> some dba, some windoze, everything between along with a strong focus and
> experience in networking, and it's paid dividends as I figure out what
> others don't as a result.
>
> Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 up, but
> most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no idea below
> around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment.  Best these days to be well
> versed across the board to some extent.  Take a ccna class online, even if
> you don't get the cert, you'll probably understand things a lot more to
> make your life easier.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos.  Here he is on a
>> programmer's channel talking about programmers learning networking.
>> I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, and
>> maybe that is not what he is talking about.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY=0s
>>
>> How does this work for hosting admin?  Is there the same demand in the
>> hosting admin niche?  If so what exactly should one know and what types
>> of jobs can they get?
>>
>> He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for server
>> automation?  He also mentioned Perl.  I thought Perl was/is dead?
>>
>> I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk and
>> ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL.
>>
>> Your Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks!!
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Re: Is Chandler Gangplank Gone?

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

I haven't been by in several years - but google maps is listed it as
closed, with the last reviews being 2 years ago...

https://goo.gl/maps/cBPs44Xu82iasG9c6
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 1:52 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> Their website seems to suggest that its still up and running.
>
> https://gangplankhq.com/
>
> https://gangplankhq.com/contact/
>
> It also says they have a slack channel:  http://slack.gangplankhq.com/
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:47 AM Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello, is the Gangplank in Chandler completely gone and if not, does
>> someone have a contact there I can speak to?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron
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Re: vi

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Learning VIM was one of the best moves I ever made - It's not an
exaggeration to say that I use it for everything, to the point that one of
my first questions when evaluating any editor/software is "does it have vim
keybindings?" and if not, "can I *give it *vim keybindings..."

I still remember watching Phil show it to my intro to linux class for the
first time. I had been a longtime nano user, because, who wanted to (hjkll)
around? But the second that he showed us how it *could *work. I was sold.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 12:08 PM Shaun Anderson via PLUG-discuss <
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> People will probably beat this to death, but take some time and go through
> the tutorials, and really learn it.  The ramp is a bit steep, but it is
> such an efficient editor.  You don't need to learn every esoteric way of
> doing things, but a dozen or more keys will have you zipping around in no
> time.
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 8:58 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> h,  when I go back to look at the file there is nothing in it
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:52 AM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> thanks guys.  I should have done a web search. Sorry.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:49 AM Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 On 2021-09-10 08:36, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
 > how does  one save and exit with vi?

 (escape):wq or (escape)ZZ .  If you're going to try to use vim, you
 should start by running vimtutor.  That will show you how to use all
 the
 basic features of the editor.

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Re: compromised passwords

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Moved to bitwarden after Matthew G recommended it on this list - haven't
looked back

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 8:28 PM Andrew McRobb via PLUG-discuss <
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> Wait, you guys don't write your passwords on notepads you leave everywhere?
>
> In all seriousness, KeePass for the win. My only issue is there isn't a
> good way to automatically migrate new passwords from phone to desktop.
>
> I was thinking of writing my own little password manager using some
> GoLang, Postgres and a simple frontend stack that uses something like ngork
> to create a tunnel if I use my phone outside of my network just for kicks.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 5:25 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Key folks here recommended KeepassXC after looking at migrating away from
>> Lastpass back to something more local/trusted, and it's been pretty good
>> for me under linux.  I miss the cloud integration of passwords on my phone
>> too, but deal with this otherways. Not always ideal, but I really don't
>> trust GoToMeeting that owns Lastpass now to be worth a crap, so I'll take
>> signal to send myself a password with an expiration occasionally as a "note
>> to self" vs. corporate whore with no foundation in reality like
>> gotomeeting.  They still don't even have a linux meeting client, they can
>> die a painful death as I am concerned.
>>
>> I use keepass with my yubikey, I feel pretty good with this for
>> encrypting data for .gov/major orgs local or rest of the world.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:41 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised no one has mentioned KeePass yet. KeePassXC is open
>>> source, stores data locally, is secure, and supports some other things like
>>> OTP token generation. You can then sync the database with Nextcloud,
>>> dropbox, etc.
>>>
>>> On February 4, 2021 4:14:33 PM MST, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

 On 2/4/21 2:59 PM, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:

> Do you have time to talk about our lord and savior LastPass?
>
> Also, please don't store passwords in your browser.
>

 I'm more of a BitWarden person myself, but any password manager is
 better than storing it in your browser.

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Re: Question about memory for a Dell

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Cue the probable: Apple may be expensive, but I rarely have failures with
it. My wife's 2011 Macbook Pro was just updated with 16GB Ram and a 255 GB
SSD - it has no issues doing anything she needs it to. That being said, it
is no longer "eligible" for "feature" updates via MacOS, although it is
clearly capable of handling the load.

I stick with Apple for my desktop (given the choice) and Linux for my
servers :)

My biggest heartache is seeing that the death of the hackintosh is on the
horizon with switching to the ARM CPU set, but who knows? If they can get
Linux working on it, and I've seen large interest in getting Linux on the
M1 chipset, maybe they'll find a way to put MacOS on off the shelf
components as we've been able to do with x86/64

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:01 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> I definitely won't be buying an Apple anything.  I can't afford them.
> Dmidecode tells me the DIMMS are 4096 MB, 1600 MT/s and made by
> Hynix/Hyundai. That makes it easy to figure out what I need.  Thanks to you
> and Todd Cole for replying.  I
> On 1/14/21 8:01 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Memory hasn't been as finicky in years than I found it 10-20 years or more
> now, most seem fairly tolerant as long as you match up specs.
>
> If using windoze, install cpu-z and just match the specs, speed,
> unbuffered, ddr-class, etc.  Likewise using dmidecode under linux, just
> match spec what is there now.  If using a mac, just pay whatever overpriced
> ram apple wants to sell you because you or your sponsor can obviously
> afford it.  Probably a better way under mac, I'm sure google knows most
> sticks are probably compatible there too realistically.
>
> I do miss when there used to be the technology swap meets over in Mesa
> here to find old/dated hardware for stuff like this, I think that all moved
> to Craigslist, now Letgo and others, always ebay if nothing else.  I always
> buy used ram, particularly when talking the more pricey large ECC server
> stuff, really haven't had complaints personally doing so.  Last time I put
> 128gb in my desktop, I did so for around a grand from ebay getting old
> server dimms from a retired cisco ucs box, same memory, which from dell
> would have been some $8k of absurdity.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:11 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>> Recently I bought a Dell Optiplex 7010.  Today I started looking for
>> some more memory (2 4GB DIMMs) to put in it.  Some said it was for the
>> Dell while others didn't claim to be for a specific model.   I did
>> notice that the ones claiming to be for a Dell were about twice the cost
>> of those that didn't and I don't want to pay the extra if I can avoid
>> it. I'm sending links to a couple of the choices.  Can someone tell me
>> if there's any difference between the two? Thanks.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y69nepup
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y54gjnfz
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Re: unusual file copy problem

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

I seem to remember running this via FTP to FTP connection, I think it was
called FXP? That's the direction I'd start looking at - Wikipedia has a
list of FTP clients that support FXP: Comparison of FTP client software -
Wikipedia


If you're using "that" hosting provider, (rhymes with SmoFaddy) I know at
one point you could call into their AHS (Advanced Hosting Support) group
and kindly ask them do the aforementioned transfer, but that was a 7 years
and several re-orgs ago.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:42 AM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> 1. I don’t know.
>
> 2. I don’t have root access, and am unable to run SSH/SCP.
>
> 3. This is a shared server. no console access is allowed. No SSH, no
> rsync, no nuth’n.
>
> That said, it’s a full WEB HOST. So I can upload a small php script that
> could reach out to the other account and copy the file over, maybe via an
> FTP xfer or HTTP copy.
>
> It seems like a bunch of hoops to jump thru simply because they won’t set
> up a shared folder that all of the domains in my account can access, but …
> what can I say. It’s a shared server.
>
> That does give me an idea, tho….
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> > A few questions here:
> > 1. Are they “running instances” of an OS?
> > 2. If so, can you use SSH/SCP between them
> > 3. Any other networked application (console type) like RSync or similar
> that can be used?
> >
> > Otherwise, unless you have root access to the original image, I am not
> sure what else you can do.
> >
> > -Eric
> > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Tech support center.
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a “reseller” type shared hosting account where I have a WHM that
> lets me create cPanel accounts. IOW, I don’t have root access.
> >>
> >> There’s a skel folder on the main account, and when i create a new
> cPanel account, it copies files into the new account. Pretty standard for
> *nix systems.
> >>
> >> I’m looking for a way to copy files from one of my cPanel accounts to
> another without having to download to my local machine then upload to the
> other account.
> >>
> >> They’re both accounts I have control of on the same server in the same
> /home filetree.
> >>
> >> But their support says there’s no way to do that other than with skel,
> but that’s not what I want. They’re already set up.
> >>
> >> Basically I simply want to copy some zip files from one account to a
> few others as directly as possible.
> >>
> >> Surely there’s got to be a way to do that, maybe FTP-to-FTP, or a
> little script I can put in each public_html folder that does a copy….
> >>
> >> Puzzled minds want to know. :)
> >>
> >> -David Schwartz
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: DSL bonding

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

That seems to be the grand irony of fiber - you can have a nationwide
backbone with thousands of Gb/s of bandwidth running on your street, and as
you said Jim - be a hundred yards short of 25 Mbps. I don't buy a ton of
the 5G *we're going to fix all the things *but if fixed broadband could
become a reality in the mid-band spectrum, there might be a new last mile
in town (and I would move much farther out to the country).

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:40 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> AT is still fscked up.  The tech came out today and told me that the
> cutoff for the service is 4800 feet and I'm 5136 feet from the box the
> modem talks to.   He ran some test anyway and confirmed it's not
> available.  He told me he has heard of no plans to bring fiber to my
> neighborhood, but said it is available in a small town 5 miles up the road
> from me in one direction.  3 miles down the road in the other direction is
> a subdivision that has it.  The fiber runs next to the highway less than a
> hundred yards from here.  I guess it's time to see what other options if
> any are available.
> On 8/16/20 10:39 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> I think it mostly comes down to the fact that they can only really
> guarantee 2 or 4 wires to a premise for residential telco, probably more
> modern deployments a full 8 wires (ala CatX), though their traditional
> copper distribution isn't built for it unless commercial (their big PED on
> the roads your neighborhood comes back to.  Probably something in the
> telcordia standards back to ma bell days that says that is just how it is.
> Since the plants are non-shielded, non-twisted pair cabling too, it can
> only modulate so high, particularly when poorly run/done, which is why
> you're stuck at 12mbps.
>
> If they had to change your home copper, they'd just run fiber, neither
> will happen likely.
>
> The DSL bonding is already a hack to get more bandwidth when DSL itself is
> stuck in time now at raw theoretical limits.  Combining more physical
> channels as these were would be trivial, if copper were available, and
> telcos wanted to support it.  Someone would need to make the modem too.
> Technically cable modems do this, literally taking "channels" or slices or
> spectrum on the wire, and load-balancing them internally, up to 24 or 32
> channels for multi-gig capabilities.  Same with ethernet, taking 8 into a
> port-channel and balancing across them, whether 100 megabit or 400 gigabit
> ethernet.
>
> AT is the most ghetto provider out there still, and always has been
> imho.  Moving to San Jose in '99, there was AT Cable TV installed by the
> owners, which consisted of 2x of your standard coax ala modern cable from
> the outside, and required a physical a/b switch box to switch between 13
> channels on one, and 13 channels on another.  First I looked at it, and was
> confused enough I had to call them and ask wtf the cable "channels" worked
> to realize just how bad it was, and I then worked for the original @home
> cable isp company then supporting AT cable modems!  The images were even
> snowy, the service was so bad even a tech couldn't (read: wouldn't)
> improve.  When I asked about a cable modem, they laughed at me, so I had to
> get DSL (phat 1.5mbps then), disconnected the useless cable tv (yay usenet
> alt.binaries.video even then), and threw up a finger to AT
>
> I can only imagine how bad AT's DSL is if they couldn't figure out even
> coax.  My experience supporting their customers for Cable Modem data in
> '99, relatively new tech then, wasn't much better, as if the cable plant to
> your house was broke, it tended to just stay broke despite our rolling
> their techs to fix it.  Then they'd get angry at us for doing so and tell
> us to stop rolling so many trucks to fix things.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Having grown up in Phoenix where Dimension, and later Cox actually had
> their shit (relatively) together, this was an inconceivable atrocity but
> exactly what I'd expect of AT  Thanks to them (and Comcast, all the
> media cartels now really) owning the FCC now with your tax dollars, it'll
> never, ever, get better either.  Good thing Net Neutrality and consumer
> rights weren't really needed after all!
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 12:42 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> 150 Mbps, you're lucky.  Here AT has to bond  2 pairs so I can get 25
>> Mbps.At least it's not comcast.  I wonder how many pairs they could
>> bond.  Is there a technical limit or is it just a matter of how many they
>> want to bond?  As more people abandon landlines, that leaves more capacity
>> for AT to bond multiple pairs for internet customers.
>> On 8/10/20 11:21 AM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> So I went through this moving from Cox to CenturyLink, and pretty much as
>> described, fairly painless.
>>
>> 
>>
>> I had scheduled a CL tech to install me for new 

Re: Public DNS Servers

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Cisco does own OpenDNS/Umbrella, and it does have some more "premium"
features now. I still use OpenDNS - but day job uses Umbrella and I like
the default filtering available on some of their other servers
(208.67.222.123 / 208.67.220.123) as I'm not a fan of having adult websites
show up even by accident in my house.

That being said I've seen that CloudFlare now offers something similar on
1.1.1.3 and 1.0.0.3 but as you mentioned Michael, that uses DNS over HTTPS
(DOH!) and I haven't liked the idea of anything rogue being able to make a
request on my network without me being able to log it. If it's a DNS
request - I expect it to use 53/UDP like it was designed so that *I *can
decide whether it should be talking on my network or not. I'll play around
with it when I have more time to see what type of solution I can wrap
around it. I like the idea, and love privacy, but everything using https
just feels icky? on some level? Maybe it's just the Cox / Jeff Flake
visit still impacting my bias.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com  


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:34 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I'll just say "OpenDNS" is now owned by Cisco, thus will never be
> open-anything again, so don't let the name fool you.  It's now part of
> their "umbrella" feature they sell in security appliances for dns
> inspection.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's an upsell from free to be
> had somewhere these days, with Cisco there always is.
>
> I'd recommend CloudFlare dns, which also does https-based dns for
> encryption, and you can't really forget their 1.1.1.1 dns server address.
> These are highly anycast routed around the world, and tends to result in
> good use for me when I need to use one on the road or test externally quick
> without looking up an external dns.
>
> Your ISP should tend to have fast DNS putting local servers in your area.
> I use my CL DNS on my firewall, and my firewall acts as a local
> cache/authoritative dns for a few local internal domains I use, which is
> usually enough to ensure DNS isn't an issue for me.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:03 AM Andrew McRobb via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I can't speak much about privacy, but I've used OpenDNS in the past with
>> no problems. I'm sure someone will say something about it.
>>
>> https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/
>>
>> If you want real privacy I would just use VPN service, don't think a DNS
>> service is necessarily going to get a lot of information from you just
>> based on what sites you visit every so often. Your computer has a few
>> layers of DNS caching as is, but that's just my two cents.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:12 AM AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I was curious if anyone has any recommendations for free public DNS
>>> servers that they've used. I've been using OpenNic for a while, but in the
>>> last two days I'm experiencing a lot of trouble with domains not resolving.
>>> I'm using Google's (8.8.8.8) right now and things are much better. But, I
>>> thought I'd ping the Plug list for other recommendations. Reliability and
>>> privacy are the priority in that order (with privacy a close second). I
>>> don't need all the add on features of parental controls, malicious site
>>> blocking, etc.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peter
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Re: PfSense + ubiquity

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AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Kind of a funny read, made me think of this Cox discussion.  As usual,
>>> even when you pay for unlimited, it's not really, and if you piss off a
>>> random top-talker metric, you get smacked.  Actually get what you pay for?
>>> Nah.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/cox-slows-internet-speeds-in-entire-neighborhoods-to-punish-any-heavy-users/
>>>
>>> I don't buy the FUD about the "downgrade the whole neighborhood", unless
>>> the neighborhood is just overused/saturated as it is, in which case Cox
>>> needs to fix it with a node split per normal direction.  They won't
>>> police/shape a whole neighborhood like that, rather they'd just
>>> decommission or lower the bandwidth on the offenders modem usually, ala
>>> this guy.
>>>
>>> May be a bit different if an actual Cox fiber/pon site, , but these seem
>>> still rare like hens teeth, and only was deployed as buzz during Google
>>> Fiber threatening them.  Cox doing fiber to the home I think died with
>>> Google Fiber.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:32 AM Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll agree with the CL being saturated comment - pretty sure it doesn't
>>>> matter whether DSL or Fiber, their peering and aggregation is the same per
>>>> region, and really it's where they converge that is the problem, which is
>>>> where said saturation occurs.  CL just *feels* saturated in use, where I
>>>> didn't get that with Cox.  Everything loads a little slower, you can just
>>>> sort of tell after using long enough.  Cox would periodically too, but they
>>>> tended to already be working on a fix by the time I'd hit up someone I knew
>>>> there to complain.  CL I have no such faith in.
>>>>
>>>> I'm paying almost half my Cox bill with CL however, and no random
>>>> overage charges, so I'm willing to live with it honestly, and it's never
>>>> been *that bad*.  If I download something, it downloads quickly, be it http
>>>> or torrents.  Just random viewing of pages in quick succession, ala
>>>> scanning news just always seems a bit slow to start.  That usually feels
>>>> like buffers are blown out somewhere inline.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 8:34 PM Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They are welcome to, but node splits are a 6 month minimum last I
>>>>> checked  - granted we're getting faster with how many we're doing. In the
>>>>> next 5 years, most cable operators will implement some sort of
>>>>> aggressive node splitting to keep up with demand. Current employer not
>>>>> excluded.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had CLink on fiber - they're upstream nodes are a little more
>>>>> saturated, but they do peer locally in the valley. Current employer does
>>>>> have peering with FAANG and a couple other heavy hitters in the valley 
>>>>> (not
>>>>> any proprietary information here, any trace route from the valley to those
>>>>> sites will show it terminating in 2 or 3 hops), but if I recall correctly
>>>>> 70% of CLink traffic hits their DCs in Phoenix. Granted it's all best
>>>>> effort past that, but if you don't have a heavily saturated node, you'll 
>>>>> do
>>>>> all right. GPON fiber is GPON fiber, regardless of Service Provider. It's
>>>>> just a question of how many other subscribers are on your PON port and how
>>>>> big the upstream links are.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 4:04 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This last bit is interesting. I have Cox Fiber (no data cap for
>>>>>> Gigablast fiber yet) and Century Link just announced a competing service 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my area. For about half the cost. For the same Gigabit Fiber (or 940mbps 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> they are calling it).
>>>>>>
>>>

Re: PfSense + ubiquity

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

They are welcome to, but node splits are a 6 month minimum last I checked
 - granted we're getting faster with how many we're doing. In the next 5
years, most cable operators will implement some sort of aggressive node
splitting to keep up with demand. Current employer not excluded.

I've had CLink on fiber - they're upstream nodes are a little more
saturated, but they do peer locally in the valley. Current employer does
have peering with FAANG and a couple other heavy hitters in the valley (not
any proprietary information here, any trace route from the valley to those
sites will show it terminating in 2 or 3 hops), but if I recall correctly
70% of CLink traffic hits their DCs in Phoenix. Granted it's all best
effort past that, but if you don't have a heavily saturated node, you'll do
all right. GPON fiber is GPON fiber, regardless of Service Provider. It's
just a question of how many other subscribers are on your PON port and how
big the upstream links are.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com  


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 4:04 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> This last bit is interesting. I have Cox Fiber (no data cap for Gigablast
> fiber yet) and Century Link just announced a competing service in my area.
> For about half the cost. For the same Gigabit Fiber (or 940mbps as they are
> calling it).
>
> Anyone with any experience with them on residential fiber?
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:59 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> So Cox subs can reach out to you when we're having saturation issues?  :)
>>
>> Having been around for the beginnings of cable modem tech at @home
>> networks in the 90's dealing with almost every big MSO (Cox, Comcast, ATT,
>> Intermedia, etc), I like to talk about the tech as a bit proud where it's
>> gone.  I liked Cox as one of the last decent hold-outs for things like
>> keeping Usenet around longer than they should, not killing customers for
>> mpaa/riaa abuse complaints, and keeping data caps off when the industry was
>> moving in that direction, so I think they're better than the rest, but
>> eventually they hopped on the money train with data caps too.  And now
>> they're paying for their pro-pirate stance as well with lawsuits against
>> them winning
>> ,
>> probably using that extra cap revenue to pay the trolls.
>>
>> Would I go back?  Not as long as they have data caps, and someone else
>> around me doesn't, but yes - much better network.  I don't like random
>> overages in my bill, I get that enough with power.  If I thought the covid
>> restrictions to remove caps would hold, I'd probably switch back now, but
>> I'm sure they'll find a reason to reimplement them asap as that's lost
>> revenue on your rsu's.
>>
>> It's always good to hear from other docsis speakers, welcome back!
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:54 PM Thomas Scott 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Day job is for a certain ISP HQ in Atlanta that supplies internet for a
>>> lot of the valley - I work in Network Operations first in Phoenix and now
>>> in Atlanta, and was surprised to see so much of what I talk about everyday
>>> in PLUG!
>>>
>>> CLink trying to play FTTN as FTTH, nothing new there. I live in a
>>> neighborhood outside of Atlanta that had some AT brownfield development
>>> for FTTH, and I've had no regrets (300 up 300 down!) Cox is moving towards
>>> "10G" with DOCSIS 4.0 and they are getting fiber closer to the home with
>>> their node splits. If you find that you all off a sudden have an extra hop
>>> in your path, that might be the seen you've been on one of those nodes that
>>> have been lit and split. The amount of bandwidth going up and down will go
>>> up dramatically.
>>>
>>> @Michael - yeah I don't think the caps are going anywhere, the industry
>>> as a whole (driven by big red) has moved that direction, but I think you'll
>>> see speeds and caps rise as N+0 goes to full duplex DOCSIS. I do know
>>> they've been relaxed with the COVID-19 FCC initiatives, but how long that
>>> lasts, I'm not sure.
>>>
>>> @Mac - the cox supplied modems are almost all going to "Panoramic Wi-Fi"
>>> and the number of holes found in DOCSIS devices is... disturbing to say the
>>> least. It was designed to be operated on a shared RF medium, and like other
>>> "trusting" protocols (i.e. BGP) has a lot of issues. The more virtualized
>>> it becomes, I think we'll see more of those go away - the smaller the
>>> broadcast domains, and the smaller the first upstream router, the better
>>> those will be able to be maintained and automated. Looking at the road
>>> maps, it will be interesting what comes next.
>>>
>>> - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:54 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 

Re: PfSense + ubiquity

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Day job is for a certain ISP HQ in Atlanta that supplies internet for a lot
of the valley - I work in Network Operations first in Phoenix and now in
Atlanta, and was surprised to see so much of what I talk about everyday in
PLUG!

CLink trying to play FTTN as FTTH, nothing new there. I live in a
neighborhood outside of Atlanta that had some AT brownfield development
for FTTH, and I've had no regrets (300 up 300 down!) Cox is moving towards
"10G" with DOCSIS 4.0 and they are getting fiber closer to the home with
their node splits. If you find that you all off a sudden have an extra hop
in your path, that might be the seen you've been on one of those nodes that
have been lit and split. The amount of bandwidth going up and down will go
up dramatically.

@Michael - yeah I don't think the caps are going anywhere, the industry as
a whole (driven by big red) has moved that direction, but I think you'll
see speeds and caps rise as N+0 goes to full duplex DOCSIS. I do know
they've been relaxed with the COVID-19 FCC initiatives, but how long that
lasts, I'm not sure.

@Mac - the cox supplied modems are almost all going to "Panoramic Wi-Fi"
and the number of holes found in DOCSIS devices is... disturbing to say the
least. It was designed to be operated on a shared RF medium, and like other
"trusting" protocols (i.e. BGP) has a lot of issues. The more virtualized
it becomes, I think we'll see more of those go away - the smaller the
broadcast domains, and the smaller the first upstream router, the better
those will be able to be maintained and automated. Looking at the road
maps, it will be interesting what comes next.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com  


On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:54 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Oddly enough, the model number of your router stuck in my head, the
> C3000Z, and I realized I used the same thing, but for my 150mbps dsl
> modem.  You sure you have actual gig fiber?  They tend to misrepresent
> their actual products in sales.  Ask me how I know.
>
> 
>
> I say this because I called CL before going to them, and asked if I could
> get fiber in the network.  They said yes.  Hmm, I knew damn well they did
> not, as no one wants to build fiber into old peoria neighborhoods such as
> mine.  After some conversation and calling him out, he explained that "oh,
> it's a gigabit network", just not fiber to your house.  I could get
> dual-band DSL, which means 75mbps x2, for a total of 150mbps, delivered by
> a gigabit network!  I sort of facepalmed, but ordered it anyways as it was
> significantly more than I had with cox (80mbps at the time I think),
> significantly cheaper, and no bandwidth cap.
>
> If there is anything other than fiber directly in your modem, I'd call
> bullocks, but FTTH is a myth to me.
>
> Crappier service, but I'll take the (usually) cheap and fast.  It is most
> certainly not gigabit fiber to my house, even though that's what they tried
> to sell me I was getting.  Only new house/community builds get fiber, and
> if even that.  Cox did the same to compete with Google fiber, and as soon
> as Google Fiber died, so did Cox ever mentioning fiber again.  Truth is Cox
> doesn't need it, shielded coax can deliver soon 10g over it just fine with
> new modulation schemas and docsis improvements.  Centurylink's 100 year old
> 2-8 wire infrastructure cannot, all they can do is build new with fiber,
> but they probably won't being decrepit.
>
> I hear friends of mine mention they have fiber, and wonder just if they
> really do.  This is why Google Fiber folded, it was unrealistic unless a
> net-new community build.  Google fiber retrofits were a disaster
> 
> .
>
> Fun-fact:  Oddly enough the guy that built Google Fiber, Milo Medin, is
> the same guy that started @Home Networks back in late 90's for Cable Modem
> services, and pioneered current industry standards in use today globally to
> deliver cable internet.  The last-mile regional MSO providers snuffed
> him/company back then, took it over themselves, and then they snuffed him
> out again as he tried the same incursion with Google Fiber, and realized it
> just cost too damn much to compete.  Cable Monopolies, flawless victory.
>
> Next I expect he'll team up with Elon or Bezos to try again via
> terrestrial.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:32 AM Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>> I tend to find the CL network a bit wonky, having moved to DSL from Cox
>> (damn bandwidth caps).  I find the general performance is worse than cox,
>> where I suspect they simply don't manage the bandwidth and are far too
>> oversubscribed as it feels like the internet buffers at times, literally.
>> Cox would occasionally get that way too, and it was easy to see in an
>> ongoing MTR when their peering in LA would get slammed and latency would
>> jump (not to mention I know the guys that manage that