Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Ah, I have to set this MAILDROP up before I can have ALPINE download my 
email to my computer where I can just backup the ".mail" folder with all 
of my emails.


Thanks,
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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

Well, that's kinda hard when you're a " PACKRAT" and keep just about 
EVERYTHING sent to you / and sent by you. I am only using IMAP due to 
being forced to by ALPINE. I couldn't get a POP3 connect to set up and 
work with ALPINE.


What does this mean? If you mean to have Alpine download messages to your 
computer, Alpine does not do that, because the pop3 protocol does not 
force clients to download messages. You can choose to do that. The 
confusion that people normally have is that they think that pop is a 
download messages protocol, that is, if you read the message it is gone 
from the server. That is not the case, you can read a message from a pop3 
server as many times as you would like until the email program deletes it 
from the server.


If what you are looking for is that Alpine downloads messages to your 
computer you can do that with any protocol: pop3 or imap, but in order to 
do that you need to set up what Alpine calls a "maildrop". Here are two 
sources of information for you:


https://alpineapp.email/alpine/alpine-info/maildrop/

and the internal help, following this link in Alpine: x-alpine-help:h_maildrop.

I hope this helps.

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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


On 2024-06-06 19:52, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200


Don't.

Seriously, do not use pop3.


Why not?

I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.


I do not see any reason to use ancient pop3. Anything can be done using imap, 
which was designed to solve previous caveats.





Well, that's kinda hard when you're a " PACKRAT" and keep just about 
EVERYTHING sent to you / and sent by you. I am only using IMAP due to 
being forced to by ALPINE. I couldn't get a POP3 connect to set up and 
work with ALPINE.


I've been a POP user for years. IDK if you know the English saying we 
have here in America, but, " If it aint broke, DON'T fix it!"


POP just works everytime I reset my client back up from a backup. weather 
it be Evolution, or Claws, or KMAIL here in TDE etc.


I like POP for the fact:

It works as soon as you set your client back up

I feel my data is more private with POP3.

I feel like the data is in my possession and is only FOR ME to manipulate 
and not for some email provider to go one day " Eh, I don't think they 
need those emails from 2016 anymore * MASS DELETE*


* SIDE EYES* Yes, I am looking at you YAHOO MAIL. lol. And no, I didn't 
have any event like that happen to me, but i've read about it online where 
people had access to really old mail one day, and then the next day, GONE! 
Emails PRE 1/1/2016 for instance. *GONE* *POOF!* never to be seen again.


I feel more responsibility with POP3 that its * MY JOB * and no one else's 
to remember toback my email up at the end of the day. Yes, I made a zip 
of my emails EVERYDAY at the end of the day with the title "MAIL_BACKUP_00 00 2024___08 
01 PM.zip"


I see with ALPINE it looks like all I do is back up the "pinerc" file and 
".pine-passfile" and restore them to my ~/home folder to get ALPINE back 
up and running again?


Thanks,
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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-06 19:52, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200


Don't.

Seriously, do not use pop3.


Why not?

I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.


I do not see any reason to use ancient pop3. Anything can be done using 
imap, which was designed to solve previous caveats.




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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Steve Litt via Alpine-info]

Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200

>Don't.
>
>Seriously, do not use pop3.

Why not?

I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Filtering

[Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


Please let me know if I've got anything set wrong:
Current Folder Type =
   SetChoose One
   ---  
   ( )  Any
   ( )  News
   (*)  Email
   ( )  Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T)
Folder List = INBOX


I would suggest you set this to

SetChoose One
---  
( )  Any
( )  News
( )  Email
(*)  Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T)
 Folder List = INBOX

instead. The (*) Email setting you have is too generic.


To pattern= alpine-info@u.washington.edu
From pattern  = 
Sender pattern= 
Cc pattern= alpine-info@u.washington.edu
News pattern  = 


This is probably not what you want. This says that if the message was sent 
To and Cc'ed to the alpine-info@u.washington.edu address, then the mail 
will be filtered. I assume that you meant to say that if the message was 
either sent To OR Cc'ed to the list, so this would be done by setting


To pattern= 

From pattern  = 

Sender pattern= 
Cc pattern= 
News pattern  = 
Recip pattern = alpine-info@u.washington.edu


I also see, that after I launch Alpine, I have to do :

s, r, n for the filters to be activated

then ^c


I do not understand this. Filters are activated automatically, you do not 
need to activate them.


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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

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El 2024-06-05 a las 16:24 -0500, Chris M via Alpine-info escribió:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


In Alpine "delete" is really delete. I am not aware of a functionality to 
move instead to the trash folder, but it mighth exist under another name.





Thats prob what I need to do is set my email up like yours since I can't get 
ALPINE to work with POP3.


Don't.

Seriously, do not use pop3.


However, when I used pop in a distant past, I got email using fetchmail, 
and possibly a cron job.




If "sent-mail" emails are older than 90 daysThen copy to LOCAL FOLDERS"


I do that manually, start of month.

Alternatively, I can do that with imapfilter that I mentioned the other 
day.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Please remove me from your distribution list

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On 2024-06-05 21:26, Clark I Anderson via Alpine-info wrote:

My EMail provider (for more than 2 decades) has suddenly dropped the facility that has 
supported "Tectia - SSH Terminal".
Please remove me  from your distribution list


You have to do that yourself.

Instructions in every email:

List-Unsubscribe: 
<http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/options/alpine-info>,

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Re: [Alpine-info] Attach mails

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-06 08:45, Olaf Skibbe via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi all,

I have a question regarding the possibilities to attach mails to a
newly composed mail.

Assume the following situation: I have several mails stored locally in
different folders. I want to compose a mail with some of these mails
attached to it. Preferably, I want them to be attached in their
original form, not cited inline.

The way I do this now, is:

- Store all these mails to one (temporary) folder
- change to the new folder and select the mails I want to attach
   (i.e. "select all")
- press A - F to forward these mails with a new mail (where the
   selected mails are attached as mail digest).

Disadvantages of this process are:

- When saving the mails to the new temporary folder, they are marked
   as deleted at their original place. One has to take care of this.


When saving, you can mark "do not delete".


- Once I started composing the mail and decide to attach one more
   mail, I have to start all over.

This rises the question: Is there a way to do this in a more
convenient way? What I am looking for is something like:


Maybe you can export each mail to a file, and then attach those files. I 
have not tried this. It is certainly doable, but I do not know how 
readable they are at the receiving end.



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[Alpine-info] Attach mails

[Olaf Skibbe via Alpine-info]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding the possibilities to attach mails to a
newly composed mail.

Assume the following situation: I have several mails stored locally in
different folders. I want to compose a mail with some of these mails
attached to it. Preferably, I want them to be attached in their
original form, not cited inline.

The way I do this now, is:

- Store all these mails to one (temporary) folder
- change to the new folder and select the mails I want to attach
  (i.e. "select all")
- press A - F to forward these mails with a new mail (where the
  selected mails are attached as mail digest).

Disadvantages of this process are:

- When saving the mails to the new temporary folder, they are marked
  as deleted at their original place. One has to take care of this.
- Once I started composing the mail and decide to attach one more
  mail, I have to start all over.

This rises the question: Is there a way to do this in a more
convenient way? What I am looking for is something like:

- Start composing a mail
- moving the cursor to the "Attachments" line
- having an option to select mails to be attached, like ^T for files.

I have no idea if this is possible (or can be made possible), but I
would consider this a very nice and convenient feature.

Any ideas?
Olaf

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Re: [Alpine-info] Deleting text while composing a message - was- Re: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 6/6/24 05:34, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


On 5/6/24 09:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:



on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
contains two dashes, the signature start line).


In fact, delete everything that is not needed.



Like This? :)

Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT 
menu inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have 
to put your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and 
backspace until you only have what you want above.


Thanks,
Chris


To delete a line, use

with the cursor anywhere on the line.


... but note (in Setup / Config [ Composer Preferences ] ):
   FEATURE: Ctrl-K Cuts From Cursor
     This feature controls the behavior of the Ctrl-K command in the
     composer. If set, ^K will cut from the current cursor position
     to the end of the line, rather than cutting the entire line.



Then, if that is the default, it is possible that I have always (without 
thinking about it) had the cursor at the start of the line, when I have 
used  .


I do not know.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 6/6/24 05:11, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:



On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

Messages do not necessarily "just disapeared into nowhere!" - they are 
just hiding from you - unless you have a filter set to delete 
messages, rather than moving them. If you do not have filters that 
delete messages, then, you need to go looking for the missing 
messages, like looking for chook nests, to find the eggs, when the 
chooks run free.





It was weird because Alpine was showing 7 emails and Fastmail webmail 
was only showing 5. I must of accidently "s" back to the inbox or 
something and it caused a double copy of the email. I do keep my web 
browser open and I check the Fastmail website after I "s" archives2024 
just to make sure that the email really got copied to that folder. I am 
just nervous using IMAP, like I said in that private email to you 
yesterday, I've used POP3 all of these years and this is the first time 
I've used IMAP in a lon time.


I've always used POP because I keep EVERYTHING, I hardly ever delete an 
email. I've had to have Alpine  make me a trash bin called "trashed" 
because when you hit "d" in Alpine, it doesn't move the email to the 
fastmail trash can, it just perm deletes them.


Then I told fastmail's website to empty that "trashed" folder every 60 
days.


I tried to set my account up as POP3, but I couldn't figure out how to 
get ALPINE to connect, it just kept saying " UNEXPECTED ERROR POP SERVER 
SAID +SERVER READY" or something to that effect.


Chris


One of the possibilities, is that you may have a circular set of filters.

I encountered this, some time ago, where a message would be directed 
into one folder, by a filter, then, directed back to the originating 
folder, by another filter.


Because, when a folder is opened, the filters that operate on that 
folder, operate, before the user sees the messages in the folder, I was 
getting messages that were downloaded, filtered into one folder, then, 
when I opened that folder, they were filtered into another folder, and, 
then, when I opened the second folder, they were filtered out of that 
folder, back to the folder, from which they had been filtered into that 
folder.


Circular filtering.

So, I was getting messages coming in, that I never saw (until I realised 
the problem, and, fixed it (I though that I had fixed all of the 
instantiations, but, I might not have, because I still get some messages 
disappear, when they are downloaded) ). That is one of the reasons that 
I use Tbird as a webmail application, and, if I see a message that I 
think is so important that I want to be absolutely sure of not losing 
it, I forward it to myself, so that a copy goes into the Sent messages 
folder, which does not get filtered.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Deleting text while composing a message - was- Re: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect

[Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


On 5/6/24 09:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:



on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
contains two dashes, the signature start line).


In fact, delete everything that is not needed.



Like This? :)

Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT menu 
inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have to put 
your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and backspace until 
you only have what you want above.


Thanks,
Chris


To delete a line, use

with the cursor anywhere on the line.


... but note (in Setup / Config [ Composer Preferences ] ):
  FEATURE: Ctrl-K Cuts From Cursor
This feature controls the behavior of the Ctrl-K command in the
composer. If set, ^K will cut from the current cursor position
to the end of the line, rather than cutting the entire line.



To undelete everything that you have deleted, since you started pressing

in the current series of keystrokes, use

to undelete.

That sequence can also be used to cut and paste a block of text, within a 
message being composed.


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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

To perform an operation at an email hosting facility, I believe that you need 
to use a webmail facility, for example, if fastmail uses horde or squirrel or 
something (although, I primarily use Tbird as a webmail application, which 
lets me work between email hosting folders, and, Tbird local folders. So, I 
use Tbird to filter out some junkmail, saving it to a junk folder, at my 
email hosting, so avoiding downloading it, when I use alpine to download my 
email to my local computer.


The thing with such filtering, if you want to use your email provider's junk 
storage, is that you need to use (run) whatever webmail application - whether 
it is one on your local computer, or, one provided by your email provider, 
each time that you want the filtering performed, as the filters are stored in 
the particular application.


If you want alpine to filter junk into a junk folder, then, you create the 
junk folder, on your local computer, using alpine, when you create the 
filter, and, save the messages to that, using alpine.


I have somewhere around 10-20 junk folders, that I run multiple filters to 
filter into those folders, and, IO run multiple filters to extract some 
messages from the junk folders.






Thats prob what I need to do is set my email up like yours since I can't 
get ALPINE to work with POP3. Set up Thunderbird or the like with a 
Fastmail IMAP password and then have TB pull the emails off of the server 
to TB local folders.


Or use something like EVOLUTION where I can right click on a folder and 
set a retention rule:


If emails in "archive2024" are older than 90 days... Then copy to LOCAL 
FOLDERS"


If "sent-mail" emails are older than 90 daysThen copy to LOCAL 
FOLDERS"


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Re: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

Messages do not necessarily "just disapeared into nowhere!" - they are just 
hiding from you - unless you have a filter set to delete messages, rather 
than moving them. If you do not have filters that delete messages, then, you 
need to go looking for the missing messages, like looking for chook nests, to 
find the eggs, when the chooks run free.





It was weird because Alpine was showing 7 emails and Fastmail webmail was 
only showing 5. I must of accidently "s" back to the inbox or something 
and it caused a double copy of the email. I do keep my web browser open 
and I check the Fastmail website after I "s" archives2024 just to make 
sure that the email really got copied to that folder. I am just nervous 
using IMAP, like I said in that private email to you yesterday, I've used 
POP3 all of these years and this is the first time I've used IMAP in a 
lon time.


I've always used POP because I keep EVERYTHING, I hardly ever delete an 
email. I've had to have Alpine  make me a trash bin called "trashed" 
because when you hit "d" in Alpine, it doesn't move the email to the 
fastmail trash can, it just perm deletes them.


Then I told fastmail's website to empty that "trashed" folder every 60 
days.


I tried to set my account up as POP3, but I couldn't figure out how to get 
ALPINE to connect, it just kept saying " UNEXPECTED ERROR POP SERVER SAID 
+SERVER READY" or something to that effect.


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Re: [Live-devel] Difference between live555ProxyServer and openRTSP

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Yes, I use the same computer.

Related to the first question, if I use openRTSP with the following command line
./openRTSP -F /mnt/sdd1/MoviesDirectory/006.`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S` -q -P 240 
rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0
I have a perfect video file, without any error in console

Related to the second question I haven't got any data. The output of 
live555ProxyServer was in the past email.

In data mercoledì 5 giugno 2024 22:19:09 CEST, Ross Finlayson ha scritto:
> OK, so the proxy server seems to be working OK.  But are you not receiving
> any data when you try to receive from rtsp://192.168.1.3/proxyStream
> running “openRTSP”, running on the same computer as the proxy server?
> 
> I.e., what happens when you run
>   1/  openRTSP … rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0
>   (i.e., using the same back-end URL that you used with the proxy server)
>   Do you receive any data?
> 
>   2/ On the exact same computer (as the same user), run
>   ./live555ProxyServer rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0
>   And then, on the same computer, as the same user, run
>   openRTSP rtsp://192.168.1.3/proxyStream
>   Do you receive any data?
> 
> (In each case, *do not* use the -t option.)
> 
> 
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Re: [Live-devel] Difference between live555ProxyServer and openRTSP

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Yes it isInviato dal mio Galaxy
 Messaggio originale Da: Ross Finlayson  
Data: 05/06/24  22:22  (GMT+01:00) A: LIVE555 Streaming Media - development & 
use  Oggetto: Re: [Live-devel] Difference between 
live555ProxyServer and openRTSP OK, so the proxy server seems to be working OK. 
 But are you not receiving any data when you try to receive from 
rtsp://192.168.1.3/proxyStreamrunning “openRTSP”, running on the same computer 
as the proxy server?I.e., what happens when you run  1/  openRTSP … 
rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0 (i.e., using the same back-end URL 
that you used with the proxy server) Do you receive any data?2/ On the 
exact same computer (as the same user), run   ./live555ProxyServer 
rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0   And then, on the same computer, as 
the same user, run   openRTSP rtsp://192.168.1.3/proxyStream Do you 
receive any data?(In each case, *do not* use the -t option.)Ross FinlaysonLive 
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Re: [Live-devel] Difference between live555ProxyServer and openRTSP

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Please have a look at the attachment.

In data mercoledì 5 giugno 2024 17:11:11 CEST, Ross Finlayson ha scritto:
> > On Jun 5, 2024, at 6:12 AM, i...@denisgottardello.it wrote:
> > 
> > I don't know why but live555ProxyServer works only with "-t" switch (with
> > this particular device).
> 
> Why don’t you find out why - by running “live555ProxyServer” with the -V
> flag (upper case V), but without -t.  What do you see?
> > Maybe the rtsp client implementation is different?
> 
> No, it’s the same (the “RTSPClient” class).  And you can see this because,
>   Remember, You Have Complete Source Code
> 
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> http://lists.live555.com/mailman/listinfo/live-develroot@dvr01:/opt/Live# ./live555ProxyServer -V 
rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0 > a.txt
LIVE555 Proxy Server
(LIVE555 Streaming Media library version 2024.05.05; licensed under the 
GNU LGPL)

Created new TCP socket 5 for connection
Connecting to 192.168.1.14, port 554 on socket 5...
RTSP stream, proxying the stream "rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0"
Play this stream using the URL: rtsp://192.168.1.3/proxyStream

(We use port 80 for optional RTSP-over-HTTP tunneling.)
...remote connection opened
Sending request: DESCRIBE rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0 RTSP/1.0
CSeq: 2
User-Agent: ProxyRTSPClient (LIVE555 Streaming Media v2024.05.05)
Accept: application/sdp


Received 143 new bytes of response data.
Received a complete DESCRIBE response:
RTSP/1.0 401 Unauthorized
Server: RTSP Server
CSeq: 2
WWW-Authenticate: Digest realm="HHRtspd", 
nonce="bcd17bb4969d7f35eafbef7df887ce5f"


Resending...
Sending request: DESCRIBE rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0 RTSP/1.0
CSeq: 3
Authorization: Digest username="admin", realm="HHRtspd", 
nonce="bcd17bb4969d7f35eafbef7df887ce5f", 
uri="rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0", 
response="414d2dd385b7e18dd988dcf762ee884e"
User-Agent: ProxyRTSPClient (LIVE555 Streaming Media v2024.05.05)
Accept: application/sdp


Received 836 new bytes of response data.
Received a complete DESCRIBE response:
RTSP/1.0 200 OK
CSeq: 3
Date: Wed, Jun 05 2024 19:58:50 GMT
Server: RTSP Server
Content-type: application/sdp
Content-length: 698

v=0
o=- 1717617530 1717617531 IN IP4 192.168.1.14
s=streamed by RTSP server
e=NONE
b=AS:1088
t=0 0
m=video 0 RTP/AVP 96
c=IN IP4 0.0.0.0
b=AS:1024
a=recvonly
a=x-dimensions:2304,1296
a=rtpmap:96 H265/9
a=control:track0
a=fmtp:96 
profile-space=0;profile-id=0;tier-flag=0;level-id=0;interop-constraints=;sprop-vps=QAEMAf//IUMAkwAAAwCWJQJA;sprop-sps=QgEBIUMAkwAAAwCWoAEgIAURZ67kShc1AQEBBwAEAAADADwg;sprop-pps=RAHA98Dm2Q==
m=audio 0 RTP/AVP 97
c=IN IP4 0.0.0.0
b=AS:64
a=recvonly
a=control:track1
a=rtpmap:97 MPEG4-GENERIC/8000/1
a=fmtp:97 
profile-level-id=15;mode=AAC-hbr;sizelength=13;indexlength=3;indexdeltalength=3;config=1588;profile=1;


ProxyServerMediaSession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0] added new 
"ProxyServerMediaSubsession" for RTP/video/H265 track
ProxyServerMediaSession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0] added new 
"ProxyServerMediaSubsession" for RTP/audio/MPEG4-GENERIC track
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,H265]::createNewStreamSource(session
 id 0)
Initiated: 
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,H265]
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,H265]::createNewRTPSink()
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,H265]::closeStreamSource()
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,MPEG4-GENERIC]::createNewStreamSource(session
 id 0)
Initiated: 
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,MPEG4-GENERIC]
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,MPEG4-GENERIC]::createNewRTPSink()
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,MPEG4-GENERIC]::closeStreamSource()
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,H265]::createNewStreamSource(session
 id 3376540428)
Sending request: SETUP rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0/track0 RTSP/1.0
CSeq: 4
Authorization: Digest username="admin", realm="HHRtspd", 
nonce="bcd17bb4969d7f35eafbef7df887ce5f", 
uri="rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0", 
response="8837618c67bea6a78c535aa7ba7c9072"
User-Agent: ProxyRTSPClient (LIVE555 Streaming Media v2024.05.05)
Transport: RTP/AVP;unicast;client_port=53678-53679


ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,H265]::createNewRTPSink()
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,MPEG4-GENERIC]::createNewStreamSource(session
 id 3376540428)
ProxyServerMediaSubsession[rtsp://???:???@192.168.1.14:554/live/ch0,MPEG4-GENERIC]::createNewRTPSink()

[Alpine-info] Please remove me from your distribution list

[Clark I Anderson via Alpine-info]

My EMail provider (for more than 2 decades) has suddenly dropped the facility 
that has supported "Tectia - SSH Terminal".
Please remove me  from your distribution list
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Re: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 5/6/24 09:38, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

This is my first email being sent from Alpine.

I noticed that 2 emails from Reddit.com just disapeared into nowhere! I 
mean, the emails don't matter, It's not a big deal that I lost them.
The emails that were lost, were just a moderator reminder on a post that 
I started, that reddit automatically sends when you post a new topic.


I think its because I sat up rules, and when I would do s, Archives2024, 
enter, it popped up something about moving the email back to the Reddit 
folder.


Yet, when you go to the Archives2024 folder in Alpine, it shows all 7 
emails there, but Fastmail's webmail only shows 5 emails.


I have since deleted those rules out of Alpine.



Rules and filters are different.

Rules define things like the format for archived folder names, how often 
to check for new messages, character sets, how long before timing out 
connections, etc.


Filters use defined parameters to select where messages are to be stored.

Messages do not necessarily "just disapeared into nowhere!" - they are 
just hiding from you - unless you have a filter set to delete messages, 
rather than moving them. If you do not have filters that delete 
messages, then, you need to go looking for the missing messages, like 
looking for chook nests, to find the eggs, when the chooks run free.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

n 5/6/24 11:49, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
I just want to say THANK YOU to everyone thats helped me get started 
with Alpine! Thank you for the help and being so patient with this newbie!


Bret
Carlos
Karen L
Matt A
et all.

My final question is:

how do you map the trash folder in Alpine?

Right now when I delete an email, it perm deletes it, instead of moving 
it to Fastmail's trash folder.


Thanks,
Chris



What you need to differentiate, are operations within your fastmail mail 
storage, and, operations applicable to your local folders.


To perform an operation at an email hosting facility, I believe that you 
need to use a webmail facility, for example, if fastmail uses horde or 
squirrel or something (although, I primarily use Tbird as a webmail 
application, which lets me work between email hosting folders, and, 
Tbird local folders. So, I use Tbird to filter out some junkmail, saving 
it to a junk folder, at my email hosting, so avoiding downloading it, 
when I use alpine to download my email to my local computer.


The thing with such filtering, if you want to use your email provider's 
junk storage, is that you need to use (run) whatever webmail application 
- whether it is one on your local computer, or, one provided by your 
email provider, each time that you want the filtering performed, as the 
filters are stored in the particular application.


If you want alpine to filter junk into a junk folder, then, you create 
the junk folder, on your local computer, using alpine, when you create 
the filter, and, save the messages to that, using alpine.


I have somewhere around 10-20 junk folders, that I run multiple filters 
to filter into those folders, and, IO run multiple filters to extract 
some messages from the junk folders.



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[Alpine-info] Deleting text while composing a message - was- Re: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 5/6/24 09:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:



on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
contains two dashes, the signature start line).


In fact, delete everything that is not needed.



Like This? :)

Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT 
menu inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have to 
put your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and backspace 
until you only have what you want above.


Thanks,
Chris


To delete a line, use

with the cursor anywhere on the line.

To undelete everything that you have deleted, since you started pressing

in the current series of keystrokes, use

to undelete.

That sequence can also be used to cut and paste a block of text, within 
a message being composed.


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ELRA Catalogue of Language Resources - Update

[info--- via Mt-list]

[Apologies for multiple postings]

We are happy to announce that the following 2 speech corpora are 
available in our catalogue.


*ÌròyìnSpeech 
 *

ISLRN:*012-405-700-001-6 *

A modern, high-fidelity, multi-speaker, Yorùbá read speech corpus 
suitable for Speech Synthesis, Automatic Speech Recognition and 
Computational Linguistics research. The subject matter is drawn from the 
Broadcast News domain as well as fictional texts, delivering a 
multi-purpose, contemporary speech dataset. This corpus consists in 
34000 read sentences, 42 hours of audio recorded under 48kHz, 16bit 
Linear PCM WAV format, for ca. 12.5 Gigabytes.


*Slovak Autistic and Non-Autistic Child Speech Corpus (SANACS)* 

ISLRN: *016-848-885-785-1* 



SANACS Corpus contains 67 recorded sessions of interactions between two 
native Slovak speakers. In 37 sessions an autistic child interacts with 
a neurotypical adult experimenter, and in 30 control sessions a 
neurotypical child interacts with the same neurotypical adult 
experimenter. The children were 6-12 years old (mean 9.2). In all 
sessions, the two participants are involved in a collaborative, 
task-oriented communication based on the Maps Task. Most tasks consist 
of six trials: a practice and two real trials where the experimenter is 
the describer and the child the follower, and then one practice and two 
real trials when the roles switched and the child is the describer and 
the experimenter is the follower.


For more information on the catalogue or if you would like to enquire 
about having your resources distributed by ELRA, please contact us @

.
_

Visit the ELRA Catalogue of Language Resources 

Archives 
 of 
ELRA Language Resources Catalogue Updates

Re: [Alpine-info] Filtering

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote:


Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?



Yes, that was me!

And I see by your signature that you are in Italia!

CIAO ITALIA :)

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Re: [Live-devel] Difference between live555ProxyServer and openRTSP

[info]

I don't know why but live555ProxyServer works only with "-t" switch (with this 
particular device). The problem is that, after a while, I have the error

RTCPInstance error: Hit limit when reading incoming packet over TCP. 
(fNumBytesAlreadyRead (1438) >= maxRTCPPacketSize (1438)).  The remote 
endpoint is using a buggy implementation of RTP/RTCP-over-TCP.  Please upgrade 
it!

and the video is not perfect.
openRTSP does not need the switch "-t" and the video is perfect. I don't have 
any error in my syslog file.
Maybe the rtsp client implementation is different?

In data mercoledì 5 giugno 2024 10:57:14 CEST, Ross Finlayson ha scritto:
> > On Jun 5, 2024, at 1:50 AM, i...@denisgottardello.it wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I don't using "-t" with openRTSP.
> 
> Then you’re not requesting RTP/RTCP-over-TCP streaming.  So, because that
> apparently works OK for you, you should do the same when running
> “live555ProxyServer”.  I.e., do *not* use the “-t” option.
> 
> 
> Ross Finlayson
> Live Networks, Inc.
> http://www.live555.com/
> 
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Re: [Alpine-info] Filtering

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-05 13:50, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?
Like if message TO is: Alpine List 


Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?

Yes alpine offers filters, although I think the kind of filter you mean 
will be more efficiently implemented with procmail (whose syntax has 
however a steep learning curve). Also procmail works best as mail 
delivery agent, which implies you receive and store messages locally on 
your machine (which in turn might require fetchmail in conjunction with 
an IMAP server).


Problem is that filtering is made to local folders, not inside the imap 
server folders, so that other machines you may have or other mail 
clients will not see the filtered messages.


I found recently another curious solution, not trivial.

imapfilter

cer@Isengard:~> rpm  -qi imapfilter
...
URL : https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter
Summary : A mail filtering utility
Description :
IMAPFilter is a mail filtering utility. It connects to remote mail
servers using the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP), sends
searching queries to the server and processes mailboxes based on the
results. It can be used to delete, copy, move, flag, etc. messages
residing in mailboxes at the same or different mail servers. The 4rev1
and 4 versions of the IMAP protocol are supported.

IMAPFilter uses the Lua programming language as a configuration and
extension language.
Distribution: SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP5




You need a ".imapfilter/config.lua" file defining what to do, and a 
cronjob to call it periodically.


Example.config.lua

gmail = IMAP { 



server = 'imap.gmail.com', 



username = 'usern...@gmail.com', 



password = 'password', 



ssl = 'tls1' 



} 




notspam_gl = gmail['[Gmail]/Spam']:contain_from('somename@somedomain') + 



 gmail['[Gmail]/Spam']:contain_from('name2@somedomain') + 



 gmail['[Gmail]/Spam']:contain_from('name@somedomain2') 



notspam_gl:move_messages(gmail['Inbox']) 




-- Comments. first I define the "gmail" account, then I do things on
-- that account, using name for the actions "notspam_gl". First find
-- the messages, then move them.

The call:

~> imapfilter -l /path/logfile -d /path/debugfile  2>&1 >> /path/logfile 





What the example does: moves some mail that gmail thinks is spam back to 
the inbox folder (inside gmail server).


Documentation:

-- https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter 



-- https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter/blob/master/samples/config.lua 




--
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)



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Re: [Alpine-info] Filtering

[Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?
Like if message TO is: Alpine List 


Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?

Yes alpine offers filters, although I think the kind of filter you mean 
will be more efficiently implemented with procmail (whose syntax has 
however a steep learning curve). Also procmail works best as mail delivery 
agent, which implies you receive and store messages locally on your 
machine (which in turn might require fetchmail in conjunction with an IMAP 
server).


Now two things, a specific one and a general one.

a) if what you want is JUST that messages from/to a specific address
   is saved to a specific folder WHEN you save it (S command), this
   can be achieved very simply associating an Fcc folder to the
   address in your address book

   issue M to go to alpine main menu
   then  A to go to the addressbook
   and record the address with a nickname and Fcc

   You might also need to change simething iun your config .pinerc

   Issue M S C to go into the .pinerc, search for keyword
   Saved Message Name Rule =

   and set (tick) this option
(*)  by-fcc-of-from-then-from

b) if you instead want automatic filtering on incoming messages (which
   I think occurs at alpine startup, which for that reason might seem
   slow ... that's why I prefer procmail which runs in background)

   ... then you'd need the actual alpine filtering

   What follows is a general advice about how you could know almost
   everything you wamt about alpine:

   issue M to go to alpine main menu
   then  ? to go to the builtin manual

   > filtering is described in section 17

   OR

   issue M S R F
   (Menu/Setup/Rules/Filters)

   to jump directly in the filter config and experiment

   Note most keywords and screens in alpine have as builtin help (? or
   control-G)

   I'd advise each pine newbie to do the following at lest once:

   M ?   to read the builtin manual
   M S C to access your .pinerc then go through the keywords
 and press ? to access their specific help

   Note down the features which seem to interest you, and experiment.
   You will be surprisded of how many thinds you can do with alpine

--
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For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html

"All that is google does not glitter
 Nor all who use alpine/procmail are lost"
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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


I have no idea what snap is.


Curious. Obviously you've never encountered *ubuntu. It is this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(software)?useskin=vector
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Re: [Live-devel] Difference between live555ProxyServer and openRTSP

[info]

I don't using "-t" with openRTSP. My command line is

./openRTSP -F /mnt/sdd1/MoviesDirectory/007.`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S` -q -P 240 
rtsp://
aa:bb@192.168.1.10:554/live/ch0 


In data mercoledì 5 giugno 2024 10:33:27 CEST, Ross Finlayson ha scritto:
> > On Jun 5, 2024, at 1:06 AM, Denis Gottardello 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Which is the difference between live555ProxyServer and openRTSP?
> 
> There’s no significant difference between running “live555ProxyServer -t”
> and “openRTSP -t”.  Both will ask the server to stream via
> RTP/RTCP-over-TCP.
> 
> 
> Ross Finlayson
> Live Networks, Inc.
> http://www.live555.com/
> 
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

You may notice that Alpine automatically deletes the signature 
when you hit reply.


--
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)




Thanks. As you can see, I was not aware of
   Enable Sigdashes
or
   Strip From Sigdashes on Reply"
the two options that enable this feature.

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[Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

I just want to say THANK YOU to everyone thats helped me get started with 
Alpine! Thank you for the help and being so patient with this newbie!


Bret
Carlos
Karen L
Matt A
et all.

My final question is:

how do you map the trash folder in Alpine?

Right now when I delete an email, it perm deletes it, instead of moving it 
to Fastmail's trash folder.


Thanks,
Chris
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to delete 
the signature of the previous poster (including the line that contains two 
dashes, the signature start line).


In fact, delete everything that is not needed.



Like This? :)

Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT menu 
inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have to put 
your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and backspace until 
you only have what you want above.


Thanks,
Chris
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[Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

This is my first email being sent from Alpine.

I noticed that 2 emails from Reddit.com just disapeared into nowhere! I 
mean, the emails don't matter, It's not a big deal that I lost them.
The emails that were lost, were just a moderator reminder on a post 
that I started, that reddit automatically sends when you post a new topic.


I think its because I sat up rules, and when I would do s, Archives2024, 
enter, it popped up something about moving the email back to the Reddit 
folder.


Yet, when you go to the Archives2024 folder in Alpine, it shows all 7 
emails there, but Fastmail's webmail only shows 5 emails.


I have since deleted those rules out of Alpine.

I do keep webmail open in Vivaldi, shrunk down to the task bar just so I 
get notifications when new emails come in. Is that an issue?


Chris
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-04 23:31, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

So then I need to TOP POST my replies?

So that line goes under


Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
contains two dashes, the signature start line).


In fact, delete everything that is not needed.

You may notice that Alpine automatically deletes the signature when you 
hit reply.


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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info]

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:31 PM, Chris M via Alpine-info 
>  wrote:
> 
> So then I need to TOP POST my replies?

No, DELETE all irrelevant text, and reply BELOW.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Filtering

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Please let me know if I've got anything set wrong:


ALPINE 2.26   CHANGE THIS FILTERING RULE Folder: INBOX  

No Messages +

Nickname  = Alpine List
Comment   = 

 CURRENT FOLDER CONDITIONS BEGIN HERE 
=

Current Folder Type =
SetChoose One
---  
( )  Any
( )  News
(*)  Email
( )  Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T)
 Folder List = INBOX

=== FILTERED MESSAGE CONDITIONS BEGIN HERE 


To pattern= alpine-info@u.washington.edu
>From pattern  = 
Sender pattern= 
Cc pattern= alpine-info@u.washington.edu
News pattern  = 

ALPINE 2.26   CHANGE THIS FILTERING RULE Folder: INBOX  

No Messages +

Subject pattern   = 
Recip pattern = 
Partic pattern= 
Add Extra Headers
AllText pattern   = 
BdyText pattern   = 
Age interval  = 
Size interval = 
Score interval= 
Keyword pattern   = 
Charset pattern   = 

Message is Important? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Message is New (Unseen)? =
SetChoose One
 ---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Message is Recent? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Message is Deleted? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Message is Answered? =
SetChoose One
 ---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Subject contains raw 8-bit? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Beginning of Month? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Beginning of Year? =
SetChoose One
  ---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Subject contains raw 8-bit? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Beginning of Month? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes
( )  No

Address in address book? =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't care, always matches
( )  Yes, in any address book
( )  No, not in any address book
( )  Yes, in specific address books
( )  No, not in any of specific address books
 Abook List = 
Types of addresses to check for in address book =
Set   Address types
---  
[X]  From
[X]  Reply-To
[ ]  Sender
[ ]  To

External Categorizer Commands =
Command  = 
Exit Status Interval = 
Character Limit  = 

= ACTIONS BEGIN HERE 
==

Filter Action =
SetChoose One
---  
( )  Just Set Message Status
( )  Delete
(*)  Move (Enter folder name(s) in primary collection, or use ^T)
 Folder List = Alpine Mail Group

Set Important Status =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't change it
Set New Status =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't change it
( )  Set this state
( )  Clear this state

Set Deleted Status =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't change it
( )  Set this state
( )  Clear this state

Set Answered Status =
SetChoose One
---  
(*)  Don't change it

Set These Keywords   = 
Clear These Keywords = 

= OPTIONS BEGIN HERE 
==

Features =
SetFeature Name
---  
[ ]  use-date-header-for-age
[ ]  move-o

[Alpine-info] Filtering

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?

Like if message TO is: Alpine List 

MOVE TO: Alpine list folder

Or do I have to manually set those rules up via fastmail.com's website?

I'm so glad that Alpine is working now! It was a pain to get going, but now, 
everything is going smooth so far! 

Thanks,
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Re: [Alpine-info] WAS: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect. NOW~~ SMTP setup

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Oops, I think I got it to work with:

SMTP Server (for sending) = 
smtp.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com:465

I was able to send an email out, but they bounced back because I don't have my 
domain pointing to Fastmail yet. I plan on doing that tonight. 

Chris





On Tuesday 04 June 2024 06:45:43 pm Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 5/6/24 06:58, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > I've been playing around with the SMTP settings, and * I THINK* that I
> > have the right idea down on the command to get SMTP working, but Alpine
> > keeps trying to connect to port 25, how do you change the port?
> >
> > This is what I have done so far:
> >
> > Open Alpine
> >
> > S key
> >
> > C key
> >
> > SMTP Server (for sending) =
> > smtp.fastmail.com/starttls/user=ch...@cwm030.com
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
>
> This is why, earlier on, I suggested copying and posting (without your
> password), the first five lines displayed, in the listed configuration
> settings.
>
> ..
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> (UTC+0800)
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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Hi,
You are going to need to undilute them.
say you used the semicolon to  gather them, there should be an undilute 
option  there, either in that choice or under a for apply.

I do it so automatically that I cannot recall smiles.



On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


Okay Matt,

I just moved 2 messages, but why do they still show up in the inbox with a "D"
by them?

Thanks,
Chris



On Tuesday 04 June 2024 05:02:00 pm Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info wrote:

On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Chris M via Alpine-info
 wrote:

Hi,

As you know I am new to Alpine.

How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email?
Say that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:


Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.

(if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)

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Re: [Alpine-info] WAS: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect. NOW~~ SMTP setup

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 5/6/24 06:58, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

I've been playing around with the SMTP settings, and * I THINK* that I have
the right idea down on the command to get SMTP working, but Alpine keeps
trying to connect to port 25, how do you change the port?

This is what I have done so far:

Open Alpine

S key

C key

SMTP Server (for sending) = smtp.fastmail.com/starttls/user=ch...@cwm030.com

Thanks,
Chris

This is why, earlier on, I suggested copying and posting (without your 
password), the first five lines displayed, in the listed configuration 
settings.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


I have no idea what snap is.

Which is it?



   Snap (software), a software packaging and deployment system for Linux


This one.

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Re: [Alpine-info] WAS: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect. NOW~~ SMTP setup

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

I've been playing around with the SMTP settings, and * I THINK* that I have 
the right idea down on the command to get SMTP working, but Alpine keeps 
trying to connect to port 25, how do you change the port?

This is what I have done so far:

Open Alpine

S key

C key

SMTP Server (for sending) = smtp.fastmail.com/starttls/user=ch...@cwm030.com

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info]

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:24 PM, Chime Hart  wrote:
> 
> Well Matt-and-All: I agree about "s" for save, but then I must type a 
> control+t followed by I think its a "less than" then I arrow through existing 
> folders hitting enter. For some unknown reason, if I am saving messages to 
> spam, I must select the 2nd instance of "spam learn" after spam training. I 
> know its a rather complicated group of keystrokes, which I must do in a quick 
> sequence or I may forget which comes next.

You can just type part of a name and tab-complete (tab twice will bring you to 
a list of just the ones that match your partial name typed in).


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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info]

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:14 PM, Chris M via Alpine-info 
>  wrote:
> 
> Okay Matt,
> 
> I just moved 2 messages, but why do they still show up in the inbox with a 
> "D" 
> by them?

Because there is no such thing as "moving" messages, at least with IMAP. It is 
"really" saving a copy in the other mailbox, and deleting the original.
So you have to hit X to expunge..  Some mail programs hide this (unfortunately 
IMO).

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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Chime Hart via Alpine-info]

Well Matt-and-All: I agree about "s" for save, but then I must type a control+t 
followed by I think its a "less than" then I arrow through existing folders 
hitting enter. For some unknown reason, if I am saving messages to spam, I must 
select the 2nd instance of "spam learn" after spam training. I know its a 
rather complicated group of keystrokes, which I must do in a quick sequence or 
I may forget which comes next.

Chime

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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Okay Matt,

I just moved 2 messages, but why do they still show up in the inbox with a "D" 
by them?

Thanks,
Chris



On Tuesday 04 June 2024 05:02:00 pm Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Chris M via Alpine-info
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you know I am new to Alpine.
> >
> > How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email?
> > Say that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:
>
> Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.
>
> (if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)
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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Sweet that worked! 

I hit S

then Alpine asked " Where did I want to save the email to?"

I typed in " Archives 2024"

I hit Enter

Then it asked " The folder doesn't exist, create it?"

I hit Y

then it said the save was complete, and I went to fastmail.com and looked and 
it made a new folder under the " INBOX". I guess that's okay right?

I clicked on it and yep, the email was in the folder like it should be! 

Chris




On Tuesday 04 June 2024 05:02:00 pm Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Chris M via Alpine-info
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you know I am new to Alpine.
> >
> > How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email?
> > Say that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:
>
> Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.
>
> (if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)
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Re: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info]

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Chris M via Alpine-info 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As you know I am new to Alpine. 
> 
> How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email? Say 
> that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:

Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.

(if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)

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[Alpine-info] Moving messages?

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Hi,

As you know I am new to Alpine. 

How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email? Say 
that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:

https://imgur.com/a/UkJn9gZ

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

HURRAY! I got alpine working! 

https://imgur.com/a/UkJn9gZ

Now, how do I set up my outgoing, so I can send mail?


Thanks,
Chris
On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:38:27 pm Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> We might be getting somewhere:
>
> Now this happens when I open Alpine.. I am starting to get excited!
>
> https://imgur.com/a/ay24OpA
>
> But it still says there's no email on the server, when there's 3 emails in
> the inbox right now.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:27:31 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> > On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > > -- Eduardo
> > >
> > >
> > > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > > strings go? Can you help me out?
> >
> > Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> > your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
> >
> >
> > I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> > editor.
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-04 23:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

Okay now I am getting

[ OPENING INBOX ---*] at Alpine launch

but errors out with:

https://imgur.com/a/t8xQxSI


Use SSL, not TLS.

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[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Okay now I am getting

[ OPENING INBOX ---*] at Alpine launch

but errors out with:

https://imgur.com/a/t8xQxSI

Chris

On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:29:10 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 23:17, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > Like this Carlos?
> >
> > https://imgur.com/a/0W7Ie9q
>
> Yes, but using SSL, not TLS, as Eduardo explained.

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

We might be getting somewhere:

Now this happens when I open Alpine.. I am starting to get excited! 

https://imgur.com/a/ay24OpA

But it still says there's no email on the server, when there's 3 emails in the 
inbox right now. 

Chris


On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:27:31 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > -- Eduardo
> >
> >
> > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > strings go? Can you help me out?
>
> Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
>
>
> I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> editor.

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Like this?

https://imgur.com/a/y1JsLik

Chris



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> On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > -- Eduardo
> >
> >
> > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > strings go? Can you help me out?
>
> Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
>
>
> I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> editor.

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

So then I need to TOP POST my replies?

So that line goes under

(s) for setup

(c) config

then that line goes under " inbox path"?


THANKS IN ADVANCE!
CHRIS

ch...@cwm030.com

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> On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > -- Eduardo
> >
> >
> > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > strings go? Can you help me out?
>
> Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
>
>
> I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> editor.

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

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On 2024-06-04 23:17, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


Like this Carlos?

https://imgur.com/a/0W7Ie9q


Yes, but using SSL, not TLS, as Eduardo explained.

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On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
-- Eduardo 



As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those 
strings go? Can you help me out?


Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from 
your answer is deleted when I try to answer.



I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text 
editor.





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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

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On 2024-06-04 21:59, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:


Carlos,
Preventing Firefox from reading /tmp is a feature in snap, presumably 
for some security reason that I don't understand. Follow the link in my 
first mail for some more info.


This?

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?utm_source=www.mozilla.org_medium=referral_campaign=firefox-download-thanks#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions

No idea what to read there for explanation.


I have no idea what snap is.

Which is it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap

Computing

Snap (computer graphics), an aid for positioning an object relative 
to grid lines or another object

Snap (web framework), a Web framework written in Haskell
Snap Server, a computer storage device
SNAP Points (software non-functional assessment process), a 
measurement of non-functional software size
Snap! (programming language), an educational graphical programming 
language

ITK-SNAP, a medical imaging software application
Sentinel Application Platform, a commom software architecture for 
analysis of Earth observation data provided by ESA

Subnetwork Access Protocol (SNAP), a network link protocol
Snap (software), a software packaging and deployment system for Linux
Core dump or snap dump, a snapshot of the status of a running 
program or system at a particular moment



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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

They surely have a web page specifying what parameters are needed for 
any generic imap mail client. Do you have that link?

I found a possible page at 
<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/150279921-IMAP-POP-and-SMTP>

   IMAP imap.fastmail.com   Port 993
   POP  pop.fastmail.com    Port 995
   SMTP smtp.fastmail.com   Port 465 (SSL) or 587 (STARTTLS)


What they do not say is what form take the expected login and password. 
There is, however, another link:

<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/150278342-Server-names-and-ports>

where it says:

   You will need to get an app password to connect to these servers.
   You cannot use your regular Fastmail password.

and the configuration details are:

   IMAP

   Server   imap.fastmail.com
   Port 993
   SSL/TLS Encryption   Enabled, but not STARTTLS
   Username Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
   Password Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular 
Fastmail password.

   Root folder/IMAP path
     prefix (leave blank)
   Folder separator / (forward slash)


With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted

incoming-folders=...
   "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,
   ...


And give the specific application password when asked. If that fails, 
start alpine with imap debug options, which I don't remember offhand.

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Like this Carlos?

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>> >  
>> >  THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>> > 
>> >  CHRIS
>> > 
>> >  ch...@cwm030.com
>> > 
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>> > 
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

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On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> [...]
>   Server  imap.fastmail.com
>   Port    993
>   SSL/TLS Encryption  Enabled, but not STARTTLS
>   Username    Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
>   Password    Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular
> Fastmail password.
>
>   Root folder/IMAP path
>     prefix    (leave blank)
>   Folder separator    / (forward slash)
>
>
> With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted
>
> incoming-folders=...
>   "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,

Thank you Carlos for taking the time to investigate. The only correction 
that I would make is that the above configuration needs to be

incoming-folders=...
    "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,

The effect of /tls is to do STARTTLS, which is normally done in port 143, 
not in port 993, which is where /ssl is set by default.

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As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those strings go? Can 
you help me out?

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

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Setting TMP, TEMP or TEMPDIR is just the kind of solution I was looking 
for, but I could not find it until Eduardo told  me. In fact, I have still 
not found the relesase notes he refers to, but export TEMP="$HOME/tmp" 
seems to work just fine.


Thanks for your interest in  my question.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

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On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

I have read it several times and I still have no idea what 
the problem is.


Why can you not read html files in /tmp, who impedes it and 
why?


The Firefox shipped with Ubuntu cannot read /tmp because it is a snap,
ie packaged inside a secure container. The container deliberately only
has access to a restricted part of the file-system, which cannot be
changed without rebuilding the whole package (I think you can mount
things in these places).

If you set TMPDIR (or one of the related variables that Eduardo
mentioned) alpine will look in that directory instead. This directory
must already exist. Set it to something inside your home directory,
or (I think) to /tmp/user/ then firefox should be able to read
the file.   is the first number against your username in the
password file.

This is too much of a fight for me, so I use the Firefox built for
Ubuntu by Mozilla instead.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info]

Carlos,
Preventing Firefox from reading /tmp is a feature in snap, presumably for 
some security reason that I don't understand. Follow the link in my first 
mail for some more info.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


If you really want to view emailed HTML files, why not use lynx?


OK, personally I hate HTML e-mail (specially those which are the 
duplicated of the main plain text body, and in fact have procmail filters 
which strip the out [saving a backup just in case :-)], but there are at 
least two cases in which I need to view them (one is a newsletter sent as 
Attach0.html, and the other one is a page asking monthly renewal of a free 
subscription).


Now here is what I do, which is actuallyu a bit contrived because of my 
arrangement (I usually work from home, running ssh into the work machine 
where alpine runs).


- I do V to view the attachment index
- I select the HTML attachment
- I do S to save it a local disk on the work machine, in a location
  I choose  (~lucio/temp/TransferArea)

- on my home machine in the browser I can access the transfer area
  via http  and access the saved html page

(of course if I am at work, I get the page displayed in the local browser 
with a single click)

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-04 19:15, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

On 5/6/24 00:27, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:


Sorry Bret,
I didn't intend to be offensive, but when you wrote Try using Linux 
Mint instead of Ubuntu I took it to mean that alpine and Ubuntu are 
incompatible. In that were true, alpine should in my opinion not be 
distributed with Ubuntu. Fortunately, the solution suggested by 
Eduardo clears up this matter.

/Kjell


If you go back to the message that I posted, to which you responded as 
you did, and, read my message again, slowly, thinking about what I said, 
in the context of your message about the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
my message did not refer to alpine, but, to trying Linux Mint, which has 
a different version of Firefox, to the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
with, from what you had said, your problem lay with the Ubuntu snap 
version of Firefox, and with Linux Mint not using snap.


I have read it several times and I still have no idea what the problem is.

Why can you not read html files in /tmp, who impedes it and why?

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 5/6/24 00:27, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:


Sorry Bret,
I didn't intend to be offensive, but when you wrote Try using Linux Mint 
instead of Ubuntu I took it to mean that alpine and Ubuntu are 
incompatible. In that were true, alpine should in my opinion not be 
distributed with Ubuntu. Fortunately, the solution suggested by Eduardo 
clears up this matter.

/Kjell


If you go back to the message that I posted, to which you responded as 
you did, and, read my message again, slowly, thinking about what I said, 
in the context of your message about the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
my message did not refer to alpine, but, to trying Linux Mint, which has 
a different version of Firefox, to the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
with, from what you had said, your problem lay with the Ubuntu snap 
version of Firefox, and with Linux Mint not using snap.


So, go back to what I posted, with your message to which I was 
responding, and, read it all again, slowly, and, thinking about what was 
said.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info]

Sorry Bret,
I didn't intend to be offensive, but when you wrote Try using 
Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu I took it to mean that alpine and Ubuntu are 
incompatible. In that were true, alpine should in my opinion not be 
distributed with Ubuntu. Fortunately, the solution suggested by Eduardo 
clears up this matter.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot 
access /tmp?
See  
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253


As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
small script).


Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell


If you really want to view emailed HTML files, why not use lynx?
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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

Prithee explain where I either suggested or inferred that alpine should 
be removed from Ubuntu?


Your inference is offensive.


Removing Alpine from Ubuntu does not solve this issue, but if they do, 
people can still compile it, or download it from another provider, so it 
is not a big deal. I wonder how other software (say mutt) is dealing 
with this.


My concern here is that I do not see why Alpine has to do something, or 
what is what Alpine has to do. This makes no sense to me. I am trying to 
understand this. Maybe someone (the original poster?) can explain this to 
me.


Thank you.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 4/6/24 19:32, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
Are you suggesting that alpine should be removed from ubuntu? 







On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot
access /tmp?
See
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253

As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I
have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a
small script).

Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell


Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.

Linux Mint does not impose snap.

Linux Mint uses a different Firefox to snapped Firefox.


Bret Busby
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Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Prithee explain where I either suggested or inferred that alpine should 
be removed from Ubuntu?


Your inference is offensive.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:


Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access /tmp?
See  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253

As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
have not found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it 
with a small script).


Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?



Kjell,

I think you sent me this message and I replied to you but your service 
rejected my message, but since it is in german, I have no idea why. At 
that time I told you that Alpine can configure the location of /tmp. From 
the release notes:


   Unix _Alpine_ uses the following environment variables:
   TERM
  Tells _Alpine_ what kind of terminal is being used.
   DISPLAY
  Determines if _Alpine_ will try to display IMAGE attachments.
   TMPDIR, TMP, or TEMP
  Specifies location of temporary storage area, first one set wins
   SHELL
  If not set, default is /bin/sh
   MAILCAPS
  A semicolon delimited list of path names to mailcap files.

What I fail to understand is how is this something that Alpine has to work 
around? /tmp is not an invention of Alpine. How did you work around this 
that is so bad? (what was your script like?). In earnest, I fail to 
understand why Alpine has to do anything here because someone implements 
their own file system? What is the rationale? Why would ubuntu delete 
Alpine? I am sorry, I just do not see the problem here as an Alpine 
problem. If you could explain to me what you see the issue is, I would try 
to do something from Alpine to solve it, but I just do not see it. As far 
as I can tell, you can solve it by setting an environment variable. Does 
that solve the problem for you?


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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:


On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access 
/tmp?
See 
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253


As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
small script).


Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell


Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.


... or the Firefox built by Mozilla for Debian and Ubuntu:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?utm_source=www.mozilla.org_medium=referral_campaign=firefox-download-thanks#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions

I have been using the .tar.* builds which have an option in "help"
to update themselves.
I also see that Mozilla now offer a Debian/Ubuntu repo,


... which seems to work fine ...


though apt seems to choose the snap version over the mozilla one,
even after
sudo apt install firefox/mozilla


... as long as you follow the instructions given correctly.
I failed to do that.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info]

Are you suggesting that alpine should be removed from ubuntu? Is the risk 
that some other distributions will adopt snap negligible? The script I 
wrote solves my problem, but others may abandon alpine rather than ubuntu.


I realize that alpine has very limited resources for development. That's 
why I raised the question, hoping that someone  would have a slightly more 
ambitious but still manageable idea.


/Kjell

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot
access /tmp?
See
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253

As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I
have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a
small script).

Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell


Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.

Linux Mint does not impose snap.

Linux Mint uses a different Firefox to snapped Firefox.


Bret Busby
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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:


On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access 
/tmp?
See 
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253


As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
small script).


Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell


Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.


... or the Firefox built by Mozilla for Debian and Ubuntu:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?utm_source=www.mozilla.org_medium=referral_campaign=firefox-download-thanks#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions

I have been using the .tar.* builds which have an option in "help"
to update themselves.
I also see that Mozilla now offer a Debian/Ubuntu repo,
though apt seems to choose the snap version over the mozilla one,
even after
sudo apt install firefox/mozilla

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Re: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot 
access /tmp?
See  
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253


As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
small script).


Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell


Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.

Linux Mint does not impose snap.

Linux Mint uses a different Firefox to snapped Firefox.


Bret Busby
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[Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp

[Kjell Rönnmark via Alpine-info]

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access /tmp?
See  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253

As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I have 
not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a small 
script).

Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-04 04:18, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


[...]
  Server imap.fastmail.com
  Port 993
  SSL/TLS Encryption Enabled, but not STARTTLS
  Username Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
  Password Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular
Fastmail password.

  Root folder/IMAP path
    prefix (leave blank)
  Folder separator / (forward slash)


With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted

incoming-folders=...
  "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,


Thank you Carlos for taking the time to investigate. The only correction 
that I would make is that the above configuration needs to be


incoming-folders=...
    "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,

The effect of /tls is to do STARTTLS, which is normally done in port 
143, not in port 993, which is where /ssl is set by default.


I had that doubt myself, yes. Thanks.

I also found the instructions on how to generate the required 
application password, and it must be one for email, not "contacts" nor 
"calendars" nor "files".


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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-04 04:10, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

On 2024-06-04 02:49, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


...


and the configuration details are:

   IMAP

   Server imap.fastmail.com
   Port 993
   SSL/TLS Encryption Enabled, but not STARTTLS
   Username Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
   Password Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular 
Fastmail password.


Oh, and there is another link for application passwords:

<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058752854-App-passwords>

«Every third-party program or app needs its own app password to access 
your information. For the Fastmail app, you need to use your normal 
password. If you use your normal password or your Fastmail two-step 
verification password on an external account, syncing to an external 
service won't work and you will see a password error.


Users on a Basic plan will not be able to use Fastmail on third-party 
mail clients or create app passwords, as Basic plans do not include 
access to IMAP, SMTP, CalDAV, or CardDAV. If you are on a Basic plan, 
you can use Fastmail on a desktop web browser or the Fastmail app on 
mobile devices, such as a phone or tablet.»


And there are instructions on how to generate application passwords. It 
must be generated specifically for imap email.




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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

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On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


[...]
  Serverimap.fastmail.com
  Port  993
  SSL/TLS EncryptionEnabled, but not STARTTLS
  Username  Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
  Password  Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular
Fastmail password.

  Root folder/IMAP path
prefix  (leave blank)
  Folder separator  / (forward slash)


With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted

incoming-folders=...
  "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,


Thank you Carlos for taking the time to investigate. The only correction 
that I would make is that the above configuration needs to be


incoming-folders=...
   "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,

The effect of /tls is to do STARTTLS, which is normally done in port 143, 
not in port 993, which is where /ssl is set by default.


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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-06-04 02:49, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

Karen Lewellen wrote:
I am sure they have heard about alpine, but that is not really the 
question for them.
Instead, speaking personally, the question should be something like 
Hi.  I wish to use imap and the third party application alpine to read 
my fastmail.

Do I need an application password for this, or is there another way?

If fastmail supports imap, which  it seems to do, then fastmile likely 
has a process for telling the service what that application is for 
them specifically.

Make sense?





Yes.


They surely have a web page specifying what parameters are needed for 
any generic imap mail client. Do you have that link?


I found a possible page at 
<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/150279921-IMAP-POP-and-SMTP>


  IMAP  imap.fastmail.com   Port 993
  POP   pop.fastmail.comPort 995
  SMTP  smtp.fastmail.com   Port 465 (SSL) or 587 (STARTTLS)


What they do not say is what form take the expected login and password. 
There is, however, another link:


<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/150278342-Server-names-and-ports>

where it says:

  You will need to get an app password to connect to these servers.
  You cannot use your regular Fastmail password.

and the configuration details are:

  IMAP

  Serverimap.fastmail.com
  Port  993
  SSL/TLS EncryptionEnabled, but not STARTTLS
  Username  Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
  Password 	Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular 
Fastmail password.


  Root folder/IMAP path
prefix  (leave blank)
  Folder separator  / (forward slash)


With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted

incoming-folders=...
  "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=ch...@cwm030.com}INBOX,
  ...


And give the specific application password when asked. If that fails, 
start alpine with imap debug options, which I don't remember offhand.




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Karen Lewellen wrote:
I am sure they have heard about alpine, but that is not really the 
question for them.
Instead, speaking personally, the question should be something like 
Hi.  I wish to use imap and the third party application alpine to read 
my fastmail.

Do I need an application password for this, or is there another way?

If fastmail supports imap, which  it seems to do, then fastmile likely 
has a process for telling the service what that application is for 
them specifically.

Make sense?





Yes.

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

I am sure they have heard about alpine, but that is not really the question 
for them.
Instead, speaking personally, the question should be something like Hi.  I 
wish to use imap and the third party application alpine to read my 
fastmail.

Do I need an application password for this, or is there another way?

If fastmail supports imap, which  it seems to do, then fastmile likely has 
a process for telling the service what that application is for them 
specifically.

Make sense?



On Mon, 3 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Chris,
 Have you asked fastmail support to confirm their process for using a third
 party application?
 It might need to be done, in part, from within your account with them?
 Just tossing out ideas.
 Karen




Hi Karen,

No I haven't. Just my luck FM's people will be like " Whats Alpine? I've 
never heard of that!

If I've never heard of it, then we don't support it."  * laugh and sighs*
> 
>  

>  THANKS IN ADVANCE!
> 
>  CHRIS
> 
>  ch...@cwm030.com
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> 
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Karen Lewellen wrote:

Chris,
Have you asked fastmail support to confirm their process for using a 
third party application?

It might need to be done, in part, from within your account with them?
Just tossing out ideas.
Karen




Hi Karen,

No I haven't. Just my luck FM's people will be like " Whats Alpine? I've 
never heard of that!

If I've never heard of it, then we don't support it."  * laugh and sighs*



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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Chris,
Have you asked fastmail support to confirm their process for using a 
third party application?

It might need to be done, in part, from within your account with them?
Just tossing out ideas.
Karen



On Mon, 3 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:


Hi,

I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine to 
connect to Fastmail.




( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )

Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just kept 
getting " INVALID PASSWORD"


Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=fmusern...@fastmail.com

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

I even tried my regular fastmail password.


I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?



THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

ch...@cwm030.com

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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

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On 4/6/24 06:35, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

On 4/6/24 06:32, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

On 4/6/24 06:12, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine
to connect to Fastmail.



( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )

Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I
just kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions
to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=fmusern...@fastmail.com

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

I even tried my regular fastmail password.


I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?



Hello.

When you referred to trying to log in, using "an app password", please
explain what you mean by "an app password".

Is that password, the same password as for your fastmail account?

I note that, at the end of your message above, you stated "I even tried
my regular fastmail password.".

Why did you try a  password that is different to the email account that
you are trying to access?

When you tried using your fastmail account password, what error message
did you get?

In alpine, when you run alpine, and, are prompted for the password, 
enter , which should let you access the menu.


Then, type s (for settings), then C (for configuration).

Then, copy the first five lines, and, post them as they are displayed, 
in a response.




If your password is included in those first five lines, delete your 
password, before posting those first five lines of the configuration.




I am sorry - that last sentence should have been

If your password is included in those first five lines, delete your
 password from the text of the message that you are about to post, 
before posting those first five lines of the configuration.


I realised, after posting, that it could have been dangerously 
misconstrued to mean delete your password in your fastmail account.


Sorry about that.


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 4/6/24 06:32, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

On 4/6/24 06:12, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine
to connect to Fastmail.



( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )

Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I
just kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions
to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=fmusern...@fastmail.com

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

I even tried my regular fastmail password.


I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?



Hello.

When you referred to trying to log in, using "an app password", please
explain what you mean by "an app password".

Is that password, the same password as for your fastmail account?

I note that, at the end of your message above, you stated "I even tried
my regular fastmail password.".

Why did you try a  password that is different to the email account that
you are trying to access?

When you tried using your fastmail account password, what error message
did you get?

In alpine, when you run alpine, and, are prompted for the password, 
enter , which should let you access the menu.


Then, type s (for settings), then C (for configuration).

Then, copy the first five lines, and, post them as they are displayed, 
in a response.




If your password is included in those first five lines, delete your 
password, before posting those first five lines of the configuration.



Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Bret Busby via Alpine-info]

On 4/6/24 06:12, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine
to connect to Fastmail.



( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )

Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I
just kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions
to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=fmusern...@fastmail.com

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

I even tried my regular fastmail password.


I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?



Hello.

When you referred to trying to log in, using "an app password", please
explain what you mean by "an app password".

Is that password, the same password as for your fastmail account?

I note that, at the end of your message above, you stated "I even tried
my regular fastmail password.".

Why did you try a  password that is different to the email account that
you are trying to access?

When you tried using your fastmail account password, what error message
did you get?

In alpine, when you run alpine, and, are prompted for the password, 
enter , which should let you access the menu.


Then, type s (for settings), then C (for configuration).

Then, copy the first five lines, and, post them as they are displayed, 
in a response.



Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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[Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.

[Chris M via Alpine-info]

Hi,

I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine to 
connect to Fastmail.




( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )

Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just 
kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"


Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=ch...@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=fmusern...@fastmail.com

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

I even tried my regular fastmail password.


I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?



THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

ch...@cwm030.com

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RE: Synonyms and text search

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Hi!
Now my synonyms.txt file is like this:
ml,Machine Learning
ai,Artificial Intelligence
But when I search I only get results for documents categorized with " 
Artificial Intelligence" when  I search "ai".
But I do not get in the results list a document with the word "ai" inside.

Any idea to get all the documents categorized as " Artificial Intelligence" and 
also the ones with the word "ai" inside?

Regards,
Jordi
-Mensaje original-
De: Charlie Hull  
Enviado el: miércoles, 15 de mayo de 2024 14:54
Para: users@solr.apache.org
Asunto: Re: Synonyms and text search

oh and you generally use synonyms for the 'AI = artificial intelligence' 
use case, the lower/upper case stuff should be handled by the analysis chain 
(that turns your source documents into a normalised form for
indexing)
https://solr.apache.org/guide/solr/latest/indexing-guide/document-analysis.html

Charlie

On 14/05/2024 14:01, Mikhail Khludnev wrote:
> It depends on schema and query parser details. You may use Analysis 
> screen, debugQuery=true, and explainOther=id:123 to troubleshoot this case.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> I am using Apache Solr 5.3.1, and I setup synonyms text file.
>> It works as expected.
>>
>> For example, in my synonyms.txt file I have:
>>
>> ML,mL,Ml,ml,Machine Learning
>>
>> AI,Ai,aI,ai,Artificial Intelligence
>>
>>
>> I have 2 categories in a field with this terms: Machine Learning and 
>> Artificial Intelligence I tagged 4 documents with Artificial 
>> Intelligence and one document without this tag.
>> But in this document I added in the description the word “AI” several 
>> times.
>>
>> When I search for AI it returns the 4 documents but not the one not 
>> tagged that it has the word AI inside the description.
>> There is anyway to return all the document that match the synonyms 
>> and also that the text is in inside the document?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Live-devel] live555 as video surveillance system

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After having removed "-t" from command, five 5 cameras are perfect, the other 4 
don't working. Maybe these devices are not well made.

In data sabato 1 giugno 2024 21:22:52 CEST, Ross Finlayson ha scritto:
> > On Jun 1, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Denis Gottardello 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > - In my syslog file I have the error
> > "RTCPInstance error: Hit limit when reading incoming packet over TCP.
> > (fNumBytesAlreadyRead (1438) >= maxRTCPPacketSize (1438)).  The remote
> > endpoint is using a buggy implementation of RTP/RTCP-over-TCP.  Please
> > upgrade it!" I can't upgrade the camera. What can I do in order to adapt
> > live555 to the camera?
> Stop trying to stream over TCP.
> 
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[Alpine-info] [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.9.2

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Hi folks,
Current as of 31 May 2024.
Karen



On Fri, 31 May 2024, Thomas Dickey wrote:


The current version of lynx is 2.9.2

It's available at
https://lynx.invisible-island.net/
https://invisible-island.net/archives/lynx/
Development & patches:
https://lynx.invisible-island.net/current/index.html

Files:
 https://invisible-island.net/archives/lynx/patches/lynx2.9.2.patch.gz
 https://invisible-island.net/archives/lynx/patches/lynx2.9.2.patch.gz.asc
 https://invisible-island.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx2.9.2.tar.bz2
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2024-05-31 (2.9.2)
* modify makefile.in install-help to only remove files, leaving existing
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* in POSIX environments, check paths for external programs to ensure that they
 are executable, non-empty files -TD
* adapt special case of gzip decompression in 2.8.9dev.12 to brotli, to handle
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* updated configure macro CF_ANSI_CC_C, to reset flags on test-failure, to
 keep options from accumulating.
* build-fix for NetBSD and Solaris system curses libraries, removing an ifdef
 added in 2.9.0dev.11 (report by Nelson Beebe) -TD

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[pywikibot] Re: Newbie question: TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable - on exit of pywikibot script

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Hi Florian,

no generator was specified. You should choose one of the pagegenerators option 
I guess:
https://doc.wikimedia.org/pywikibot/master/api_ref/pywikibot.pagegenerators.html#generator-options

> HandleCommonsOnOSMBot(generator=gen_factory.getCombinedGenerator(), **options)
gives just None for the generator attribute.

Best
xqt

> Am 31.05.2024 um 16:36 schrieb tohuuu :
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> on my first steps with Python and Pywikibot, i encounter the following 
> strange error message:
> 
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19__init__.py,  373 in _flush: VERBOSE  
> Dropped throttle(s).
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  119 in  flush: VERBOSE  
> Closing network session.
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  123 in  flush: VERBOSE  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "", line 198, in _run_module_as_main
>   File "", line 88, in _run_code
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\Scripts\pwb.exe\__main__.py",
>  line 7, in 
> sys.exit(run())
>  ^
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\scripts\wrapper.py",
>  line 516, in run
> if not execute():
>^
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\scripts\wrapper.py",
>  line 492, in execute
> run_python_file(filename, script_args, module)
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\scripts\wrapper.py",
>  line 149, in run_python_file
> exec(compile(source, filename, 'exec', dont_inherit=True),
>   File ".\HandleCommonsOnOSMBot.py", line 192, in 
> main()
>   File ".\HandleCommonsOnOSMBot.py", line 188, in main
> HandleCommonsOnOSMBot(generator=gen_factory.getCombinedGenerator(), 
> **options).run()
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\bot.py",
>  line 1470, in run
> self.generator = (item for item in self.generator)
>  ^
> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  132 in  flush: CRITICAL 
> Exiting due to uncaught exception TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  137 in  flush: VERBOSE  
> Network session closed.
> 
> This error encounters when my script is finished and pywikibot closing the 
> network session. For the complete source code, please see
> 
> https://github.com/tohu/HandleCommonsOnOSMBot/blob/main/HandleCommonsOnOSMBot.py
> 
> I took the part starting with "def main(*args: str) -> None:" from 
> https://doc.wikimedia.org/pywikibot/stable/library_usage.html - maybe this 
> isn't the correct way to use it? Since the bot code works fine, it looks like 
> a minor problem, but i'm curious if i did something wrong.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Florian
> 
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[Geoserver-users] Problem with GetMap request with an ogc:Filter with only Polygon geometry

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Hello ,

We noticed a problem with an ogc:filter getMap request. ( GeoServer 2.24.2 )

It is only if you have a Within Filter without another extra filter option.

So what is wrong:

FILTER=

http://www.opengis.net/gml
xmlns:ogc=http://www.opengis.net/ogc>geomhttp://www.opengis.net/def/crs/EPSG/0/28992>154852 464024 155048 463679 155303 463736 155082 464086
154852
464024

 

https://workshop.kaartviewer.nl/geoserver/wms?REQUEST=GetMap=WMS
SION=1.3.0=image%2Fpng==true=geonovation%3A
energielabels_amersfoort&=2133=1103=EPSG%3A28992=15410
3.54602300984%2C463421.92378041224%2C156015.80503340586%2C464410.9202373514&
FILTER=%3Cogc:Filter%20xmlns:gml=%22http://www.opengis.net/gml%22%20xmlns:og
c=%22http://www.opengis.net/ogc%22%3E%3Cogc:Within%3E%3Cogc:PropertyName%3Eg
eom%3C/ogc:PropertyName%3E%3Cgml:Polygon%20srsName=%22http://www.opengis.net
/def/crs/EPSG/0/28992%22%3E%3Cgml:exterior%3E%3Cgml:LinearRing%3E%3Cgml:posL
ist%3E154852%20464024%20155048%20463679%20155303%20463736%20155082%20464086%
20154852%20464024%3C/gml:posList%3E%3C/gml:LinearRing%3E%3C/gml:exterior%3E%
3C/gml:Polygon%3E%3C/ogc:Within%3E%3C/ogc:Filter%3E

 

This url gives an error in geoserver ( Rendering process failed. Layers:
geonovation:energielabels_amersfoort -> Caused by:
java.lang.NullPointerException at
org.geotools.filter.spatial.ReprojectingFilterVisitor$GeometryFilterTransfor
mer.transform(ReprojectingFilterVisitor.java:437)

 

 

But when I have the following URL, with added on ogc:And and a random extra
filter ( in this case 0>=0), then it is working OK!

 

Filter=

http://www.opengis.net/gml
xmlns:ogc=http://www.opengis.net/ogc>
geom154852.87672948933 464024.4568953283 155048.54203767146 463679.5184417369
155303.4218767874 463736.1500901585 155082.0111295965 464086.23693005764
154852.87672948933
464024.456895328300

 

https://workshop.kaartviewer.nl/geoserver/wms?REQUEST=GetMap=WMS
SION=1.3.0=image%2Fpng==true=geonovation%3A
energielabels_amersfoort&=2133=1103=EPSG%3A28992=15410
3.54602300984%2C463421.92378041224%2C156015.80503340586%2C464410.9202373514&
FILTER=%3Cogc:Filter%20xmlns:gml=%22http://www.opengis.net/gml%22%20xmlns:og
c=%22http://www.opengis.net/ogc%22%3E%3Cogc:And%3E%3Cogc:Within%3E%3Cogc:Pro
pertyName%3Egeom%3C/ogc:PropertyName%3E%3Cgml:Polygon%3E%3Cgml:exterior%3E%3
Cgml:LinearRing%3E%3Cgml:posList%3E154852.87672948933%20464024.4568953283%20
155048.54203767146%20463679.5184417369%20155303.4218767874%20463736.15009015
85%20155082.0111295965%20464086.23693005764%20154852.87672948933%20464024.45
68953283%3C/gml:posList%3E%3C/gml:LinearRing%3E%3C/gml:exterior%3E%3C/gml:Po
lygon%3E%3C/ogc:Within%3E%3Cogc:PropertyIsGreaterThanOrEqualTo%3E%3Cogc:Lite
ral%3E0%3C/ogc:Literal%3E%3Cogc:Literal%3E0%3C/ogc:Literal%3E%3C/ogc:Propert
yIsGreaterThanOrEqualTo%3E%3C/ogc:And%3E%3C/ogc:Filter%3E

 

What could be the problem here?

 

Peter-Paul Koonings

GeoNovation B.V. 

 

 

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-28 22:46, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Karen Lewellen said on Mon, 27 May 2024 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT)


How would you do this in DOS?


If by DOS you mean 1980's 1990's MS-DOS or PC-DOS, I haven't a clue.
1985-1996 I was a DOS expert, but haven't used it this century and have
forgotten it all. Karen, I thought you were using Linux.

If you had been using Linux, then what I described, once set up, would
have probably been completely accessible using a screen reader.


Maybe he means a DOS like interface, ie, the CLI (command line 
interface). Linux has that.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-28 01:29, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote:
I have honestly no idea what designing an interface for people with 
difficulties means.


A Thunderbird that can be used by people with visual impairments, if 
possible at all (I have no idea).


Creating a command line edition of Thunderbird helps those in low 
graphics environments etc..that is an everyone thing.  It adds choices.
The guy who created my alpine configuration tried to work in some 
Thunderbird folder items for example, kind of odd, but most of his 
reasoning was seeking what he knew.
I too am thankful for the app  password process in gmail, it seems to 
solve my personal experience as well.

So far so good with google's remaining willing to keep this in place.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-28 22:48, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Cottrell, Allin via Alpine-info said on Mon, 27 May 2024 18:53:51 -0400



Me too. I find it hard to see what all the fuss is about. I like using
gmail for some things, prefer alpine for other things,


Wait a minute. Has this discussion been about Alpine vs a gmail
webmail? I thought it was about how to use Alpine with the gmail IMAP
server.


Not me, I have never considered the webmail, except for configuration 
operations (getting application password, enable 2 factor auth, etc). 
They have to be done on the web interface, there is no alternative.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Steve Litt via Alpine-info]

Cottrell, Allin via Alpine-info said on Mon, 27 May 2024 18:53:51 -0400


>Me too. I find it hard to see what all the fuss is about. I like using
>gmail for some things, prefer alpine for other things,

Wait a minute. Has this discussion been about Alpine vs a gmail
webmail? I thought it was about how to use Alpine with the gmail IMAP
server.

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Steve Litt via Alpine-info]

Karen Lewellen said on Mon, 27 May 2024 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT)

>How would you do this in DOS?

If by DOS you mean 1980's 1990's MS-DOS or PC-DOS, I haven't a clue.
1985-1996 I was a DOS expert, but haven't used it this century and have
forgotten it all. Karen, I thought you were using Linux.

If you had been using Linux, then what I described, once set up, would
have probably been completely accessible using a screen reader.

[snip]

>Storing more than 8 gig of gmail  mail locally keeping it in
>context..in DOS, will be an interesting 
>thing  for Steve to answer. 

Yes it would. If I remember correctly, DOS can't handle hard disks more
than 2 gig.

>Minus he pay someone whose body works 
>differently suggestion of course.

True enough, but how much are you going to pay, year after year, for
somebody whose body works differently to keep up with gmail's summary
and arbitrary and frankly useless changes?

Karen, I know very little about you or your situation, other than you
recently became blind. I don't know if you have any other physical
disadvantages, or how technical you are, or what you use email and the
computer for, or what operating system(s) you use or have used before.
I have even less information about the person whom the original poster
(OP) inquired for. My one and only contribution, or perhaps
discontribution, to this discussion is that Gmail is frustrating and
difficult to work with, and for a normally sighted (I'm about 20/40
with glasses) Linux user there are immensely better alternatives that
may or may not be adaptable to people who are blind.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

I agree with chime,
I had an extensive conversation with the Fastmail team about their support 
of command line Linux tools. Not just browsers like Lynx, but even those 
built  with some level of JavaScript, like elinks and links.
To say their were far from interested in learning would be an 
understatement.

best,
Karen



On Tue, 28 May 2024, Morgan, Andrew J wrote:


Hi Chime,

I didn't realize Fastmail also offered website hosting...  I'm only using them 
for email.  I'm sorry they dropped FTP support.  As you know, they are 
supporting WebDAV for remote file access.

Andy

From: Chime Hart 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:46 AM
To: Morgan, Andrew J 
Cc: Steve Litt ; Karen Lewellen 
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Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Well Morgan, I have been useing FastMail for several years, here on my Linux
machine. Sure I like it, but I also have my web-site hosted. Seemingly without
any notice they dropped access from ncftp, so the best I can do is cadaver. I
don't think I can login to their controll-pannel useing LYNX, which I don't
think they have any understanding of, but yes, the price is right.
Chime



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