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Couldn’t have put it better myself and this whole thing makes today’s modern portables even more interesting, whether you’re a HAM or not they’re incredible devices. For example many of today’s portables - the CC EP Pro amongst them - will easily receive FM signals hundreds upon hundreds of miles away from your current location thanks to the DSP technology common used now. It wasn’t all that long ago that to get a radio with good selectivity and sensitivity on FM was near to impossible with a portable but now its common place. Then there is the “Ducting” effect you get on FM which brings even more surprises to your receiver. Some 33 years ago I remember listening to Radio 4MMM in Brisbane some thousand miles away from where I was on FM, I just couldn’t believe it and that was back on one of the older Analogue FM sets but then again - as I’ve since found out - Panasonic have always has a reputation for making reliable FM receivers. So to today’s portables which mostly are on a par with each other when it comes to FM reception, its easy for me to receive MMM in Sheperton, 132 miles away on 95.3MHZ with a strong local station right next door at 95.5MHZ, this sort of thing was completely unheard of not all that long ago. > On 14 Oct 2018, at 3:25 am, brian wrote: > > Somthing that every ham should understand that dx is dx in any form. no > matter if it's broadcast band dx or not. You don't have care about what the > radio stations are broadcasting it's just dx it's the fun of the chase of > doing it and thats the reason that some of us got in to ham radio in the > first place. I do like am and fm broadcast dxing and I may not care what the > radio stations are broadcasting it's how far can I get dx stations? Am I > getting stations from 200 miles away or 2,000 miles away? It's the challenge > of dxing if even it's only swl dxing it's still a good way to know that the > bands are opend. I use to like to listen to tv dx there would not be a > picture but the sound would be quite clear. Don't forget about scanner dx > getting public safety stations from other states than your own. There are > lots of ways to listen to dx in the area of swl listening so don't discount > them just because you don't care for their content. > > 73 > > n8mnx > > Brian Sackrider > > > On 10/11/2018 4:51 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Okay well this topic has taken a turn I didn’t expect and for the record, I >> don’t care what radio stations do, whether they broadcast mind numbing music >> - as most do unfortunately - or whether they broadcast such boring shows as >> “Jennifer Takes A bath”, I’m interested in receiving them particularly if >> they’re far away from me. >> Yep, one can probably get them on the Internet but where’s the challenge in >> doing that? >> >> >>> On 11 Oct 2018, at 4:21 pm, Gary Schindler wrote: >>> >>> Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the >>> radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. >>> >>> >>> They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and >>> transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking >>> cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to >>> the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost >>> impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an >>> HD station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because >>> of the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a >>> good radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a >>> good listening experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>> Howard, >>>> I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the >>>> medium wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio >>>> in the United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a >>>> radio. There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, >>>> you simply can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for >>>> you in Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations >>>> and who really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s >>>> worthless. >>>> Mary >>>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and
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Somthing that every ham should understand that dx is dx in any form. no matter if it's broadcast band dx or not. You don't have care about what the radio stations are broadcasting it's just dx it's the fun of the chase of doing it and thats the reason that some of us got in to ham radio in the first place. I do like am and fm broadcast dxing and I may not care what the radio stations are broadcasting it's how far can I get dx stations? Am I getting stations from 200 miles away or 2,000 miles away? It's the challenge of dxing if even it's only swl dxing it's still a good way to know that the bands are opend. I use to like to listen to tv dx there would not be a picture but the sound would be quite clear. Don't forget about scanner dx getting public safety stations from other states than your own. There are lots of ways to listen to dx in the area of swl listening so don't discount them just because you don't care for their content. 73 n8mnx Brian Sackrider On 10/11/2018 4:51 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Okay well this topic has taken a turn I didn’t expect and for the record, I don’t care what radio stations do, whether they broadcast mind numbing music - as most do unfortunately - or whether they broadcast such boring shows as “Jennifer Takes A bath”, I’m interested in receiving them particularly if they’re far away from me. Yep, one can probably get them on the Internet but where’s the challenge in doing that? On 11 Oct 2018, at 4:21 pm, Gary Schindler wrote: Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an HD station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because of the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a good radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a good listening experience. On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Howard, I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the medium wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio in the United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a radio. There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, you simply can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for you in Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations and who really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s worthless. Mary On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote: Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and some don't. Whichever I am is no concern to anyone but me. All I am saying is: (only an opinion); broadcast radio and TV, these days, is nothing but a vast waste land and not worth the price of any type of receiving device. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued I think you're missing the point. This radio is a very reasonably priced and good sounding set so no matter what your radio listening habits - long distance or local - then it’s a set worth getting. And please forgive me again but those who use Ham radio sets I've found wouldn't know a a good sensitive long distance receiver if they fell over one. Yep I know that Kenwood are recognised for transceivers as are Uniden and a whole heap of other companies but they're not known for long distance reception of the type I'm talking about, you need nice antennas to be strung up, nothing wrong with that at all but I like to move around. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2018 2:10 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good the radio be. Being a radeo ham, I have a Kenwood TS-590S. The receiver on this one tunes continuous from the "long wave" bandup through 54 (or so) megahertz; very nicely covering the US broadcast band. With external amplification, this one can have pretty good sound. Not to take anything away from the CC radios or even the super radios; there has to be something out there that one desires to hear; or what good is it? - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio conti
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And more annoyances too, try listening to KNX in Australia and see how far you get without a VPN. > On 12 Oct 2018, at 1:36 am, Gary Schindler wrote: > > I have gotten used to internet radio, you have more choices of the same junk > to listen to. You don't have to put up with the noise. > > > One night a Thunder storm blew out the electricity in the area and it was > like heaven as far as DXING again for a while. > > > > On 10/11/2018 8:49 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote: >> I agree with this summary in general, but New York City, where I live, is a >> qualified exception. HD channels do work here, and they provide a little >> variety. There are probably other cities around the U.S. where the situation >> is also moderately better. Separately, shortwave is useless here and I gave >> up on it a long time ago. Enter Tapin to fill the void. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Gary Schindler >> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:22 AM >> To: all-audio@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >> >> Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the >> radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. >> >> >> They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and >> transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking >> cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to >> the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost >> impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an >> HD station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because >> of the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a >> good radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a >> good listening experience. >> >> >> >> On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> Howard, >>> I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the >>> medium wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio >>> in the United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a >>> radio. There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, >>> you simply can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for >>> you in Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations >>> and who really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s worthless. >>> Mary >>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and some >>>> don't. Whichever I am is no concern to anyone but me. All I am saying is: >>>> >>>> (only an opinion); broadcast radio and TV, these days, is nothing but a >>>> vast waste land and not worth the price of any type of receiving device. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >>>> >>>> >>>> I think you're missing the point. >>>> This radio is a very reasonably priced and good sounding set so no matter >>>> what your radio listening habits - long distance or local - then it’s a >>>> set worth getting. >>>> And please forgive me again but those who use Ham radio sets I've found >>>> wouldn't know a a good sensitive long distance receiver if they fell over >>>> one. >>>> Yep I know that Kenwood are recognised for transceivers as are Uniden and >>>> a whole heap of other companies but they're not known for long distance >>>> reception of the type I'm talking about, you need nice antennas to be >>>> strung up, nothing wrong with that at all but I like to move around. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Howard >>>> Traxler >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2018 2:10 PM >>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >>>> >>>> Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the >>>> states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good >>>> the radio
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Some of the most interesting things I’ve heard on the AM Radio Broadcast band have come from Hawaii, La is over 3000 miles away from Hawaii and yet I can hear KNX 1070 clearly. > On 11 Oct 2018, at 11:49 pm, Adrian Spratt wrote: > > I agree with this summary in general, but New York City, where I live, is a > qualified exception. HD channels do work here, and they provide a little > variety. There are probably other cities around the U.S. where the situation > is also moderately better. Separately, shortwave is useless here and I gave > up on it a long time ago. Enter Tapin to fill the void. > > -Original Message- > From: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gary Schindler > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:22 AM > To: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> > Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued > > Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the > radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. > > > They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and > transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking > cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to > the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost > impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an HD > station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because of > the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a good > radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a good > listening experience. > > > > On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >> Howard, >> I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the medium >> wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio in the >> United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a radio. >> There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, you >> simply can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for you in >> Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations and who >> really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s worthless. >> Mary >>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler >> <mailto:how...@traxlerenterprises.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and some >>> don't. Whichever I am is no concern to anyone but me. All I am saying is: >>> >>> (only an opinion); broadcast radio and TV, these days, is nothing but a >>> vast waste land and not worth the price of any type of receiving device. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net>> >>> To: mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >>> >>> >>> I think you're missing the point. >>> This radio is a very reasonably priced and good sounding set so no matter >>> what your radio listening habits - long distance or local - then it’s a set >>> worth getting. >>> And please forgive me again but those who use Ham radio sets I've found >>> wouldn't know a a good sensitive long distance receiver if they fell over >>> one. >>> Yep I know that Kenwood are recognised for transceivers as are Uniden and a >>> whole heap of other companies but they're not known for long distance >>> reception of the type I'm talking about, you need nice antennas to be >>> strung up, nothing wrong with that at all but I like to move around. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> >> <mailto:all-audio@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Howard >>> Traxler >>> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2018 2:10 PM >>> To: all-audio@groups.io <mailto:all-audio@groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >>> >>> Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the >>> states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good >>> the radio be. >>> >>> Being a radeo ham, I have a Kenwood TS-590S. The receiver on this one >>> tunes continuous from the "long wave" bandup through 54 (or so) megahertz; >>> very nicely cov
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I have gotten used to internet radio, you have more choices of the same junk to listen to. You don't have to put up with the noise. One night a Thunder storm blew out the electricity in the area and it was like heaven as far as DXING again for a while. On 10/11/2018 8:49 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote: I agree with this summary in general, but New York City, where I live, is a qualified exception. HD channels do work here, and they provide a little variety. There are probably other cities around the U.S. where the situation is also moderately better. Separately, shortwave is useless here and I gave up on it a long time ago. Enter Tapin to fill the void. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Gary Schindler Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:22 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an HD station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because of the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a good radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a good listening experience. On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Howard, I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the medium wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio in the United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a radio. There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, you simply can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for you in Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations and who really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s worthless. Mary On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote: Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and some don't. Whichever I am is no concern to anyone but me. All I am saying is: (only an opinion); broadcast radio and TV, these days, is nothing but a vast waste land and not worth the price of any type of receiving device. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued I think you're missing the point. This radio is a very reasonably priced and good sounding set so no matter what your radio listening habits - long distance or local - then it’s a set worth getting. And please forgive me again but those who use Ham radio sets I've found wouldn't know a a good sensitive long distance receiver if they fell over one. Yep I know that Kenwood are recognised for transceivers as are Uniden and a whole heap of other companies but they're not known for long distance reception of the type I'm talking about, you need nice antennas to be strung up, nothing wrong with that at all but I like to move around. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2018 2:10 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good the radio be. Being a radeo ham, I have a Kenwood TS-590S. The receiver on this one tunes continuous from the "long wave" bandup through 54 (or so) megahertz; very nicely covering the US broadcast band. With external amplification, this one can have pretty good sound. Not to take anything away from the CC radios or even the super radios; there has to be something out there that one desires to hear; or what good is it? - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Shame you feel that way as there’s plenty to recommend a radio such as this if you’re thinking from a content perspective. Actually one could argue that its probably better to be able to listen to long-distance radio given the rubbish some local city stations broadcast and then you’ll never know unless you try receiving these stations so therefore you’ll need something good to receive them on in the first place. So enter the CC EP Pro as a very good starting point for a most reasonable price. There aren’t too many radios that come near the CC EP Pro as far as performance these days and I’ve had my view confirmed when scanning about the band an
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I agree content leaves much to be desired these days, long distance or not. I have echo type devices which can access most n. america stations including many in other countries worldwide. In general if it has a web feed it can be heard on them. On Thu, 11 Oct 2018, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Shame you feel that way as there???s plenty to recommend a radio such as this > if you???re thinking from a content perspective. > Actually one could argue that its probably better to be able to listen to > long-distance radio given the rubbish some local city stations broadcast and > then you???ll never know unless you try receiving these stations so therefore > you???ll need something good to receive them on in the first place. > So enter the CC EP Pro as a very good starting point for a most reasonable > price. > There aren???t too many radios that come near the CC EP Pro as far as > performance these days and I???ve had my view confirmed when scanning about > the band and listening to the set earlier this morning. > Yes, you can go for all those vintage sets if you like as I myself have done > but its really not worth the bother doing that unless you know someone in the > repairs business. > Let???s take the classic GE Super Radio version II, I got one in 1990 and I > gave it away. > Now suppose I was offered one of those sets today the question then arises, > should I buy or should I settle for something else like a CC EP Pro? To me > the answer is obvious, forget about the GE Super Radio and take the CC EP Pro. > The GE Super Radio would most likely require an alignment and finding someone > to do that may take some time. > The CC EP Pro is as good as - if not a little better in some ways - as the GE > Super radio was. > The CC EP Pro is far quieter whereas the GE Super Radio was quite noisy in > comparison. > The CC EP Pro in my view has a definite performance edge when it comes to > receiving those distant stations not only for the lack of noise but because > of its pinpoint accurate DSP tuning, the CC EP Pro is about as selective a > radio you???ll find anywhere. > The GE Super radio may sound a little better but the amp isn???t much good > and you???re not going to get much volume out of it. > The CC EP Pro lacks a little bottom but does have a smaller speaker. > So yes, whatever your listening habits - local or distant, AM or FM - then > the CC EP Pro is certainly worth the look, I can???t remember the exact price > of the radio now - I obviously pad to pay quite a bit more to have the unit > shipped to Australia -, the price is well under a hundred US dollars. > > > > On 11 Oct 2018, at 4:09 am, Howard Traxler > > wrote: > > > > Sure would have been nice to have this radio (or something like it) 60 > > years ago. I'm not convinced that there's anything out there worth having > > a good radio for. > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Casey" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued > > > > > > Hi is this A single conversion or A duel conversion radio? > > And Do you have the cc radio 2 E and do you think that this one is better > > than that set? > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:21 PM > > To: all-audio@groups.io > > Subject: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued > > > > Hi again! > > I had the pleasure of receiving my CC EP Pro AM/FM radio around half an > > hour ago so I???ve been able to do some quick testing of this unit. > > Firstly for the price its an absolute bargain if you???re wanting a > > modern-day ???Super Radio??? but the radio isn???t without some annoyances. > > The first is with the sound, not much bottom but enough I guess, certainly > > a lot of very nice crisp top. > > You have to be extremely careful how you tune this radio, you can???t go > > racing up and down the dial as you can with a standard analogue type radio. > > The CC EP. is in fact a radio with an Analogue dial but tunes in steps of 9 > > or 10KHZ selectable and you can hear the radio step as you tune slowly up > > or down the band. > > If you tune too fast then you???ll miss hearing those weak signals and may > > actually hear nothing at all if you tune at speed. > > So that out of the way the other thing to remember is that you may not hear > > a correct representation of the received signal when you first tune there, > > this radio has some traits of that annoying Soft muting so wait a second of >
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I agree with this summary in general, but New York City, where I live, is a qualified exception. HD channels do work here, and they provide a little variety. There are probably other cities around the U.S. where the situation is also moderately better. Separately, shortwave is useless here and I gave up on it a long time ago. Enter Tapin to fill the void. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Gary Schindler Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:22 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an HD station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because of the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a good radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a good listening experience. On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > Howard, > I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the medium > wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio in the > United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a radio. > There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, you simply > can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for you in > Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations and who > really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s worthless. > Mary >> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler >> wrote: >> >> Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and some >> don't. Whichever I am is no concern to anyone but me. All I am saying is: >> >> (only an opinion); broadcast radio and TV, these days, is nothing but a vast >> waste land and not worth the price of any type of receiving device. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >> >> >> I think you're missing the point. >> This radio is a very reasonably priced and good sounding set so no matter >> what your radio listening habits - long distance or local - then it’s a set >> worth getting. >> And please forgive me again but those who use Ham radio sets I've found >> wouldn't know a a good sensitive long distance receiver if they fell over >> one. >> Yep I know that Kenwood are recognised for transceivers as are Uniden and a >> whole heap of other companies but they're not known for long distance >> reception of the type I'm talking about, you need nice antennas to be strung >> up, nothing wrong with that at all but I like to move around. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Howard >> Traxler >> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2018 2:10 PM >> To: all-audio@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >> >> Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the >> states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good >> the radio be. >> >> Being a radeo ham, I have a Kenwood TS-590S. The receiver on this one tunes >> continuous from the "long wave" bandup through 54 (or so) megahertz; very >> nicely covering the US broadcast band. With external amplification, this >> one can have pretty good sound. Not to take anything away from the CC >> radios or even the super radios; there has to be something out there that >> one desires to hear; or what good is it? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dane Trethowan" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued >> >> >> Shame you feel that way as there’s plenty to recommend a radio such >> as this if you’re thinking from a content perspective. >> Actually one could argue that its probably better to be able to >> listen to long-distance radio given the rubbish some local city >> stations broadcast and then you’ll never know unless you try >> receiving these stations so therefore you’ll need something good to rece
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Mary and Howard are correct. You have five companies that own most of the radio stations in the states. Most of the talk stations are conservative. They also didn't mention that cellular towers, noisy power lines and transformers from an ageing power grid, computers everywhere, and, leaking cable systems adjacent interference from stations using the frequencies to the left and right of the main station for HD radio makes it almost impossible to DX any more. IF you do pull in a station at night that is an HD station because of the reduced power, it sounds terrible anyway because of the sky wave conditions. Because of these things it isn't worth buying a good radio no matter how sensitive or selective it is if you can't enjoy a good listening experience. On 10/11/2018 12:02 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Howard, I have to agree with you. As somebody who grew up loving to DX on the medium wave band and then later got a ham license, I love radio. But radio in the United States these days is useless. I wouldn’t spend 10 bucks on a radio. There’s nothing to listen to. Unless you come to the states, Dane, you simply can’t understand what we’re talking about. If it’s better for you in Australia, great. But here, everything is owned by big corporations and who really gives a damn? There’s no local color nothing. It’s worthless. Mary On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote: Dane, you are generalizing. Some ham radio guys know the stuff and some don't. Whichever I am is no concern to anyone but me. All I am saying is: (only an opinion); broadcast radio and TV, these days, is nothing but a vast waste land and not worth the price of any type of receiving device. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued I think you're missing the point. This radio is a very reasonably priced and good sounding set so no matter what your radio listening habits - long distance or local - then it’s a set worth getting. And please forgive me again but those who use Ham radio sets I've found wouldn't know a a good sensitive long distance receiver if they fell over one. Yep I know that Kenwood are recognised for transceivers as are Uniden and a whole heap of other companies but they're not known for long distance reception of the type I'm talking about, you need nice antennas to be strung up, nothing wrong with that at all but I like to move around. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2018 2:10 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good the radio be. Being a radeo ham, I have a Kenwood TS-590S. The receiver on this one tunes continuous from the "long wave" bandup through 54 (or so) megahertz; very nicely covering the US broadcast band. With external amplification, this one can have pretty good sound. Not to take anything away from the CC radios or even the super radios; there has to be something out there that one desires to hear; or what good is it? - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Shame you feel that way as there’s plenty to recommend a radio such as this if you’re thinking from a content perspective. Actually one could argue that its probably better to be able to listen to long-distance radio given the rubbish some local city stations broadcast and then you’ll never know unless you try receiving these stations so therefore you’ll need something good to receive them on in the first place. So enter the CC EP Pro as a very good starting point for a most reasonable price. There aren’t too many radios that come near the CC EP Pro as far as performance these days and I’ve had my view confirmed when scanning about the band and listening to the set earlier this morning. Yes, you can go for all those vintage sets if you like as I myself have done but its really not worth the bother doing that unless you know someone in the repairs business. Let’s take the classic GE Super Radio version II, I got one in 1990 and I gave it away. Now suppose I was offered one of those sets today the question then arises, should I buy or should I settle for something else like a CC EP Pro? To me the answer is obvious, forget about the GE Super Radio and take the CC EP Pro. The GE Super Radio would most likely require an alignment and finding someone to do that may take some time. The CC EP Pro is as good as - if not a little better in some ways - as the GE Super radio was. The CC EP Pro is far quieter whereas the GE Super Radio was quite noisy in comparison. The CC EP Pro in my view has a definite
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Don't know what kind of broadcasting is done in Australia, but here in the states there isn't much that I'd turn on the radio for--no matter how good the radio be. Being a radeo ham, I have a Kenwood TS-590S. The receiver on this one tunes continuous from the "long wave" bandup through 54 (or so) megahertz; very nicely covering the US broadcast band. With external amplification, this one can have pretty good sound. Not to take anything away from the CC radios or even the super radios; there has to be something out there that one desires to hear; or what good is it? - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Shame you feel that way as there’s plenty to recommend a radio such as this if you’re thinking from a content perspective. Actually one could argue that its probably better to be able to listen to long-distance radio given the rubbish some local city stations broadcast and then you’ll never know unless you try receiving these stations so therefore you’ll need something good to receive them on in the first place. So enter the CC EP Pro as a very good starting point for a most reasonable price. There aren’t too many radios that come near the CC EP Pro as far as performance these days and I’ve had my view confirmed when scanning about the band and listening to the set earlier this morning. Yes, you can go for all those vintage sets if you like as I myself have done but its really not worth the bother doing that unless you know someone in the repairs business. Let’s take the classic GE Super Radio version II, I got one in 1990 and I gave it away. Now suppose I was offered one of those sets today the question then arises, should I buy or should I settle for something else like a CC EP Pro? To me the answer is obvious, forget about the GE Super Radio and take the CC EP Pro. The GE Super Radio would most likely require an alignment and finding someone to do that may take some time. The CC EP Pro is as good as - if not a little better in some ways - as the GE Super radio was. The CC EP Pro is far quieter whereas the GE Super Radio was quite noisy in comparison. The CC EP Pro in my view has a definite performance edge when it comes to receiving those distant stations not only for the lack of noise but because of its pinpoint accurate DSP tuning, the CC EP Pro is about as selective a radio you’ll find anywhere. The GE Super radio may sound a little better but the amp isn’t much good and you’re not going to get much volume out of it. The CC EP Pro lacks a little bottom but does have a smaller speaker. So yes, whatever your listening habits - local or distant, AM or FM - then the CC EP Pro is certainly worth the look, I can’t remember the exact price of the radio now - I obviously pad to pay quite a bit more to have the unit shipped to Australia -, the price is well under a hundred US dollars. On 11 Oct 2018, at 4:09 am, Howard Traxler wrote: Sure would have been nice to have this radio (or something like it) 60 years ago. I'm not convinced that there's anything out there worth having a good radio for. - Original Message - From: "Casey" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi is this A single conversion or A duel conversion radio? And Do you have the cc radio 2 E and do you think that this one is better than that set? -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:21 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi again! I had the pleasure of receiving my CC EP Pro AM/FM radio around half an hour ago so I’ve been able to do some quick testing of this unit. Firstly for the price its an absolute bargain if you’re wanting a modern-day “Super Radio” but the radio isn’t without some annoyances. The first is with the sound, not much bottom but enough I guess, certainly a lot of very nice crisp top. You have to be extremely careful how you tune this radio, you can’t go racing up and down the dial as you can with a standard analogue type radio. The CC EP. is in fact a radio with an Analogue dial but tunes in steps of 9 or 10KHZ selectable and you can hear the radio step as you tune slowly up or down the band. If you tune too fast then you’ll miss hearing those weak signals and may actually hear nothing at all if you tune at speed. So that out of the way the other thing to remember is that you may not hear a correct representation of the received signal when you first tune there, this radio has some traits of that annoying Soft muting so wait a second of two before passing judgement. The next thing the user has to bare in mind is that the CC EP Pro - like the former CC EP - has a tuneable ferrite twin coil antenna. Normally leaving the tuning kn
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Shame you feel that way as there’s plenty to recommend a radio such as this if you’re thinking from a content perspective. Actually one could argue that its probably better to be able to listen to long-distance radio given the rubbish some local city stations broadcast and then you’ll never know unless you try receiving these stations so therefore you’ll need something good to receive them on in the first place. So enter the CC EP Pro as a very good starting point for a most reasonable price. There aren’t too many radios that come near the CC EP Pro as far as performance these days and I’ve had my view confirmed when scanning about the band and listening to the set earlier this morning. Yes, you can go for all those vintage sets if you like as I myself have done but its really not worth the bother doing that unless you know someone in the repairs business. Let’s take the classic GE Super Radio version II, I got one in 1990 and I gave it away. Now suppose I was offered one of those sets today the question then arises, should I buy or should I settle for something else like a CC EP Pro? To me the answer is obvious, forget about the GE Super Radio and take the CC EP Pro. The GE Super Radio would most likely require an alignment and finding someone to do that may take some time. The CC EP Pro is as good as - if not a little better in some ways - as the GE Super radio was. The CC EP Pro is far quieter whereas the GE Super Radio was quite noisy in comparison. The CC EP Pro in my view has a definite performance edge when it comes to receiving those distant stations not only for the lack of noise but because of its pinpoint accurate DSP tuning, the CC EP Pro is about as selective a radio you’ll find anywhere. The GE Super radio may sound a little better but the amp isn’t much good and you’re not going to get much volume out of it. The CC EP Pro lacks a little bottom but does have a smaller speaker. So yes, whatever your listening habits - local or distant, AM or FM - then the CC EP Pro is certainly worth the look, I can’t remember the exact price of the radio now - I obviously pad to pay quite a bit more to have the unit shipped to Australia -, the price is well under a hundred US dollars. > On 11 Oct 2018, at 4:09 am, Howard Traxler > wrote: > > Sure would have been nice to have this radio (or something like it) 60 years > ago. I'm not convinced that there's anything out there worth having a good > radio for. > > > - Original Message - From: "Casey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued > > > Hi is this A single conversion or A duel conversion radio? > And Do you have the cc radio 2 E and do you think that this one is better > than that set? > > > > > -Original Message- > From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:21 PM > To: all-audio@groups.io > Subject: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued > > Hi again! > I had the pleasure of receiving my CC EP Pro AM/FM radio around half an hour > ago so I’ve been able to do some quick testing of this unit. > Firstly for the price its an absolute bargain if you’re wanting a modern-day > “Super Radio” but the radio isn’t without some annoyances. > The first is with the sound, not much bottom but enough I guess, certainly a > lot of very nice crisp top. > You have to be extremely careful how you tune this radio, you can’t go racing > up and down the dial as you can with a standard analogue type radio. > The CC EP. is in fact a radio with an Analogue dial but tunes in steps of 9 > or 10KHZ selectable and you can hear the radio step as you tune slowly up or > down the band. > If you tune too fast then you’ll miss hearing those weak signals and may > actually hear nothing at all if you tune at speed. > So that out of the way the other thing to remember is that you may not hear a > correct representation of the received signal when you first tune there, this > radio has some traits of that annoying Soft muting so wait a second of two > before passing judgement. > The next thing the user has to bare in mind is that the CC EP Pro - like the > former CC EP - has a tuneable ferrite twin coil antenna. > Normally leaving the tuning knob at its middle detent should give you > reasonable reception anywhere on the AM band but I have found that if you’re > prepared to tune about with this knob you can improve the reception > significantly, something you quickly get used to. > The next thing to note is that this radio is extremely directional, is that > good or bad? Well if you’re wanting to say nun out very weak stations next to > very strong one’s then the directionality of this portable is a pure God Send > and can make q
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Sure would have been nice to have this radio (or something like it) 60 years ago. I'm not convinced that there's anything out there worth having a good radio for. - Original Message - From: "Casey" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi is this A single conversion or A duel conversion radio? And Do you have the cc radio 2 E and do you think that this one is better than that set? -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:21 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi again! I had the pleasure of receiving my CC EP Pro AM/FM radio around half an hour ago so I’ve been able to do some quick testing of this unit. Firstly for the price its an absolute bargain if you’re wanting a modern-day “Super Radio” but the radio isn’t without some annoyances. The first is with the sound, not much bottom but enough I guess, certainly a lot of very nice crisp top. You have to be extremely careful how you tune this radio, you can’t go racing up and down the dial as you can with a standard analogue type radio. The CC EP. is in fact a radio with an Analogue dial but tunes in steps of 9 or 10KHZ selectable and you can hear the radio step as you tune slowly up or down the band. If you tune too fast then you’ll miss hearing those weak signals and may actually hear nothing at all if you tune at speed. So that out of the way the other thing to remember is that you may not hear a correct representation of the received signal when you first tune there, this radio has some traits of that annoying Soft muting so wait a second of two before passing judgement. The next thing the user has to bare in mind is that the CC EP Pro - like the former CC EP - has a tuneable ferrite twin coil antenna. Normally leaving the tuning knob at its middle detent should give you reasonable reception anywhere on the AM band but I have found that if you’re prepared to tune about with this knob you can improve the reception significantly, something you quickly get used to. The next thing to note is that this radio is extremely directional, is that good or bad? Well if you’re wanting to say nun out very weak stations next to very strong one’s then the directionality of this portable is a pure God Send and can make quite a dramatic difference. What it also means is that you may have to move the radio around a little bit to get optimal reception of your tuned station. All that aside then the radio is still a pure joy to use, simple but yet very affective at the job it was designed for, to enable the user to enjoy both local and long distance AM/FM broadcast with a reasonable quality sound not found on a lot of today’s radios. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#1340): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/1340 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/27152759/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Thanks, Dane, for telling us about the CCF pro from C Crane. I bought a CC2E a few years ago and frankly do not care for it that much. I hate that attempt at noise suppression when one is tuning around. This is especially annoying when attempting to tune a weak signal. But my biggest annoyance is that many of the buttons no longer make good contact. One might have to press a preset several times to get it to engage. Of course it did not do this when it was new. But it probably isn't cost effective to get the contacts cleaned, if I could even find someone locally competent to do so. Please refresh my memory. What is the procedure to optimize reception over the entire a.m. band? Thanks. Don Roberts - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued I don't know what it is and that's probably not important for AM reception.. What I can tell you is that there is no sign of overload whatever on the CC EP Pro which is something extremely nice for a radio of its price tag. As to whether the CC EP Pro is better than the CC 2E? I wouldn't compare them because both work differently. Both are extremely good radios and I'd probably take the CC 2E over the CC EP Pro not because one is vastly better than the other but because I myself prefer to work with a digitally controlled radio and I like the feature set of the CC 2E. However the CC 2E is around twice the price of the CC EP Pro so if you're on a budget and looking for a set that performs well and sounds reasonable then the CC EP Pro is the ticket here. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Casey Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2018 12:34 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi is this A single conversion or A duel conversion radio? And Do you have the cc radio 2 E and do you think that this one is better than that set? -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:21 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi again! I had the pleasure of receiving my CC EP Pro AM/FM radio around half an hour ago so I’ve been able to do some quick testing of this unit. Firstly for the price its an absolute bargain if you’re wanting a modern-day “Super Radio” but the radio isn’t without some annoyances. The first is with the sound, not much bottom but enough I guess, certainly a lot of very nice crisp top. You have to be extremely careful how you tune this radio, you can’t go racing up and down the dial as you can with a standard analogue type radio. The CC EP. is in fact a radio with an Analogue dial but tunes in steps of 9 or 10KHZ selectable and you can hear the radio step as you tune slowly up or down the band. If you tune too fast then you’ll miss hearing those weak signals and may actually hear nothing at all if you tune at speed. So that out of the way the other thing to remember is that you may not hear a correct representation of the received signal when you first tune there, this radio has some traits of that annoying Soft muting so wait a second of two before passing judgement. The next thing the user has to bare in mind is that the CC EP Pro - like the former CC EP - has a tuneable ferrite twin coil antenna. Normally leaving the tuning knob at its middle detent should give you reasonable reception anywhere on the AM band but I have found that if you’re prepared to tune about with this knob you can improve the reception significantly, something you quickly get used to. The next thing to note is that this radio is extremely directional, is that good or bad? Well if you’re wanting to say nun out very weak stations next to very strong one’s then the directionality of this portable is a pure God Send and can make quite a dramatic difference. What it also means is that you may have to move the radio around a little bit to get optimal reception of your tuned station. All that aside then the radio is still a pure joy to use, simple but yet very affective at the job it was designed for, to enable the user to enjoy both local and long distance AM/FM broadcast with a reasonable quality sound not found on a lot of today’s radios. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#1339): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/1339 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/27152759/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Hi is this A single conversion or A duel conversion radio? And Do you have the cc radio 2 E and do you think that this one is better than that set? -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:21 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] CC EP Pro Radio continued Hi again! I had the pleasure of receiving my CC EP Pro AM/FM radio around half an hour ago so I’ve been able to do some quick testing of this unit. Firstly for the price its an absolute bargain if you’re wanting a modern-day “Super Radio” but the radio isn’t without some annoyances. The first is with the sound, not much bottom but enough I guess, certainly a lot of very nice crisp top. You have to be extremely careful how you tune this radio, you can’t go racing up and down the dial as you can with a standard analogue type radio. The CC EP. is in fact a radio with an Analogue dial but tunes in steps of 9 or 10KHZ selectable and you can hear the radio step as you tune slowly up or down the band. If you tune too fast then you’ll miss hearing those weak signals and may actually hear nothing at all if you tune at speed. So that out of the way the other thing to remember is that you may not hear a correct representation of the received signal when you first tune there, this radio has some traits of that annoying Soft muting so wait a second of two before passing judgement. The next thing the user has to bare in mind is that the CC EP Pro - like the former CC EP - has a tuneable ferrite twin coil antenna. Normally leaving the tuning knob at its middle detent should give you reasonable reception anywhere on the AM band but I have found that if you’re prepared to tune about with this knob you can improve the reception significantly, something you quickly get used to. The next thing to note is that this radio is extremely directional, is that good or bad? Well if you’re wanting to say nun out very weak stations next to very strong one’s then the directionality of this portable is a pure God Send and can make quite a dramatic difference. What it also means is that you may have to move the radio around a little bit to get optimal reception of your tuned station. All that aside then the radio is still a pure joy to use, simple but yet very affective at the job it was designed for, to enable the user to enjoy both local and long distance AM/FM broadcast with a reasonable quality sound not found on a lot of today’s radios. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#1337): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/1337 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/27152759/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
