[graphics-issues] [Issue 20819] add polynomial regression type

2010-09-23 Thread hedleyrokos
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--- Additional comments from hedleyro...@openoffice.org Thu Sep 23 20:59:21 
+ 2010 ---
@jumbo444
a) You need upwards of 9 SF in many of the coefficients to achieve a decent fit.
 Realistically, we need 11 digits for this case, which is a lot when inverting a
poorly-conditioned matrix using brute-force methods.
b) The fact that even the algorithm used at XUXU* works reasonably** if you
transpose X to be symmetrical about zero (i.e. -5, -3, -1, 1, 3, 5) may be
indicative of other possible useful techniques.
*I notice that for moderately large zero order coefficients, XUXU truncates
zero-order coefficient at the decimal point even when the resolution is much
lower than for the other coefficients - is this indicative of other strange
behaviour?
**But even here adding third-order fits to successive recorded errors provides
successively better fits - I assume that this indicates significant residual
issues with the algorithms?

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 20819] add polynomial regression type

2010-06-22 Thread hedleyrokos
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--- Additional comments from hedleyro...@openoffice.org Tue Jun 22 21:32:16 
+ 2010 ---
Still waiting, but using LINEST meanwhile.  The problem with this is that using
it for real work clutters up the spreadsheet horribly.  
However, as I often want to plot the difference between the derived formula and
the data, it does have some advantages.  
The optimum for this would be to be able to add the fitted equation directly
into a single column of the spreadsheet.
Would this be subject to the same sort of issues as creating a higher-order
trendline directly on a graph?

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 20819] add polynomial regression type

2010-02-11 Thread hedleyrokos
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--- Additional comments from hedleyro...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 11 10:27:50 
+ 2010 ---
  Unfortunately, my use of non-open-source software is anything but a threat.  I
find myself compelled to use this in order to operate reasonably effectively.
  I expect that jdpipe is correct that fityk (in common with other singe purpose
mathematical tools) is capable, flexible, and easy to use in isolation. 
  The rub is that, however technically capable such isolated tools may be, any
need for multiple interfaces for different purposes means that they are in no
way a substitute for an integrated tool - provided that the integrated tool is
adequate for the requirement.  (Please fixyt).
 

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 20819] add polynomial regression type

2009-09-13 Thread hedleyrokos
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--- Additional comments from hedleyro...@openoffice.org Sun Sep 13 11:39:51 
+ 2009 ---
I'm puzzled by the comment about the problem with the file format.  Is the
problem in extracting the data, or saving it?  In either case, what is the
difference between the requirements for polynomials and those for linear
regression?  
While on the subject of the existing fits, although exponential and logarithmic
fits are useful in principle, they are only of use if the expression fits both
constants (e.g c*e^(a*x).  
It's also often necessary to use the fitted equation: - it's probably possible
at the moment, and I've failed to find it.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 20819] add polynomial regression type

2009-09-13 Thread hedleyrokos
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--- Additional comments from hedleyro...@openoffice.org Sun Sep 13 14:15:11 
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hephooey wrote: polynomial regression you need more than 2, and you cannot
determine the maximum parameters you need theoretically
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote?  
My understanding is that generally the user defines the order of fit that is
required, so the number of parameters should be fixed at that point.  Maybe this
is the reason that EXCEL (*$£%) only allows orders up to 6?   
BTW, my personal preference is an orthogonally-generated Chebyshev fit (see for
example http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ChebyshevPolynomialoftheFirstKind.html
equation 24). This has the potential advantage that adding an order would not
change the values in previous orders, so these can be generated one-at-a-time if
required (i.e. only one output variable per order).

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 20819] add polynomial regression type

2009-08-15 Thread hedleyrokos
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--- Additional comments from hedleyro...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 11:02:25 
+ 2009 ---
I absolutely need polynomial fits for my engineering analyses, most recently to
display device repeatability during temperature cycling. For this case, I need
access to the polynomial, as I subtracted the polynomial from the data to
produce a graph of the cyclic errors.

It's been suggested I could write a programme to create polynomial fits - and in
principle I could.  But if it really is a job that can be done by a user in a
sensible time-scale, why is it taking so long to find its way into OpenOffice?

So, in spite of everything, it's back to EXCEL.

BTW, I'd really like to be able to use minimax algorithms instead of regression.
 It would also be good to be able to choose the weighting that I apply to the
fit (for example data density versus uniform along the line).  But the
regression technique used by EXCEL does the job (with only a modicum of
poet-adjustment), so I'll happily settle for that.

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