[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2011-01-27 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 28 05:35:52 + 
2011 ---
There is an ODF Add-In for MS Word / Excel / PowerPoint. But it does much the
same as saving the ODS file in Calc as a XLS file. I.e. loosing conditional
formatting and the style formula doesn't work.

You're correct about the need for interoperability. I can't seem to find any way
short of performing the previously mentioned modifications to Calc itself. There
is already a work-around method to get it working inside the ODS file - so all
that is needed is to modify the programming to suit. In which case the XLS(x)
export / import filter also needs some modification to write / read Excel's
Eng format correctly. And then we'd need to test if this modification would
still allow the ODS file to be opened in an older version of Calc - if not,
we'll need to find another way.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2011-01-26 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 26 12:24:04 + 
2011 ---
I'm not sure what all the new discussion is about. We all know all that already.
And yes mrprogrammer's suggestion can work for nearly any ENG format. See the
last ODS file attached.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2011-01-26 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 26 12:25:15 + 
2011 ---
Created an attachment (id=75657)
Eng format using conditionals


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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2011-01-26 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 26 12:33:53 + 
2011 ---
Of course saving that to XLS(x) or opening from Excel2007 looses the conditional
formatting (since it seems Excel's conditional formatting works a bit different
as well).

I'll add this solution to the Wiki page as well. Just for completeness, it's not
yet a full solution as a round trip between Calc and Excel removes this
formatting, but at least you get a true Eng format which is still a true
number instead of a piece of text. Thus you can use it directly in other 
formulas.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2011-01-26 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 27 06:37:44 + 
2011 ---
Don't know, maybe it's a problem with Safari. The links work fine for me in
Firefox (both on Windows and Linux) - it basically downloads the ODS file and
then opens it in Open Office.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-12-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Dec 15 15:18:33 + 
2010 ---
Actually you're absolutely correct. That special case is more like an unintended
possibility.

So we might use the grouping even for the SI idea: i.e. a format code of
,0.00E+00 (although a lot strange) could mean use SI with 2 decimals. So the
xml settings would become: integers=1, decimals=2, exponents=1, grouping=yes.

This can clearly be differentiated from the proposed Eng format trick of using
,000.00E+00 : integers=3, decimals=2, exponents=2, grouping=yes. Since the
number of integers govern the exponent multiples ... which is what exactly when
it's one one?

And we can even accommodate other exponent multiples, e.g. ,00.00E+00 would show
1234 as 12.34E+02. The settings would be: integers=2, decimals=2, exponents=2,
grouping=yes.

And it shouldn't cause problems with normal scientific format, since we can
still have that working as is. In any case when using the above format strings
with the comma (denoting 1000 grouping) the comma is interpreted as a string to
add to the number. I.e. as is a format of ,000.00E+00 on a number of 1234
currently displays as ,123.40E+01 ... which is clearly impossible for the user
to have wanted.

Where there may be an issue is if (as stated) some extremely strange guy wants
to format like this: 0,000.00E+00 where 123456 would become 1,234.56E+02. If we
do go with this wangling idea, the only possible format option this fictitious
guy would have is .00E+00, giving him 1234.56E+02. Because as soon as he
includes a comma (anywhere) into the format string he'll get: 12.35E+04

And yes it would also be a good idea to manually edit the style.xml file inside
an ODS (to match these proposed fixes) and see what happens when opening it in
current and older Calcs. You never know if for some reason there's a hiccup.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-12-14 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 14 08:55:57 + 
2010 ---
That's all good and fine. I can see that there's a lot already done about these
formats in other places as well. E.g. my $10 Casio Scientific calculator has a
button to format numbers into Eng ... so the actual existing formatting
algorithms are definitely numerous and even quite efficient.

The real problem is how to save the format into the ODS file, so that next
time it opens the same format is applied again. That's where we don't have an
easy answer. Since the ODS file needs to be ODF compliant, we can't simply add
whatever we require to it. It needs to go through a change in the Open Document
Format specification.

As I've stated in a previous post, the ODF does not allow anywhere to save the
###.00E+00 format string itself (like Excel's XLSX file type does). It converts
the string back-and-forth into settings saved into the ODS file. These settings
are the following (and _ONLY_ the following):
- Number of decimal places (the .00 portion of the string translates to 2 in
this setting)
- 1000 grouping on / off
- Minimum number of exponent digits (the E+00 translates to 2)
- Minimum number of integer digits (the ### translates to 3 and back into 000)

Therefore if the user formats as ###.00E+00, saves closes and reopens the file
the format changes to 000.00E+00. Which then makes for values such as 1000
displayed as 100.00E+01 ... this is clearly incorrect.

There was a suggestion to trick the formatting by using the 1000's grouping to
denote that this is engineering format instead of scientific. Which would allow
only a modification of the Calc program - instead of a mod to the ODF spec. But
then we loose the ability to have 1000's grouping in normal scientific format.
E.g. 0,000.00E+00 would get translated to .00E+00. Given this is probably an
extreme example, it needs to be noted that we're loosing a possible format in
favour of another.

I'm all for the idea of allowing the grouping trick so the Eng format can happen
right now. It just needs to be designed so that when and if the ODF specs
finally get woken up to the real world ... we've not made ourselves a bigger
hole than we find ourselves in now. E.g. what would then happen when the newer,
correctly fixed version of Calc, opens an ODS file saved by this proposed
intermediate version?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-12-14 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Dec 15 05:40:29 + 
2010 ---
I'm not talking about Excel. I was referring to what would happen in Calc if we
do go with the grouping trick. I also did state that the lost form of formatting
is an extremely exceptional case, very few people (if any) would want such a
format - so we might not need worry on that score.

I was just stating such for completeness - trying to look at the problem and
solution from all angles. What I don't want is to go through this process only
to find a year later that we've got bigger problems due to what we've done now.
I.e. I'm trying to avoid the same mistakes made by the ODF council when they
designed this (IMO) silly portion of the spec.

I can guess why they went the route of settings instead of a format string -
it's generally more efficient. But using settings is not as open-ended as the
format string. This is one of those cases where efficiency was taken just that
bit too far, it breaks into functionality.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-12-13 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 13 14:57:15 + 
2010 ---
Now that I'd definitely put into a separate issue. I might even say, even though
it is expressly forbidden to have the SI prefix directly following the number
it is also the de-facto-norm to have it without the space. E.g. in my industry
we use ###mm and ##.###m constantly. It's usually frowned upon when you write
them ### mm ... so for that I might suggest an option for strict SI compliance
(maybe as default) which would simply insert a space directly following the 
number.

But as discussed, this whole SI conundrum needs a whole new formatting code in
itself - apart from a new page on the format dialog and coding to accomplish
such. The Eng formatting is just about fixable using the existing ODF spec ...
well if we trick it a bit. The SI would be too complex to try and trick the
ODF spec into working with it. So in the short term (what a laugh - 7.5 years
already) I wouldn't hold my breath.

Which actually makes me see this whole problem for what it is: It was reported
originally long before the ODF spec was even thought of. Yet it was totally
ignored when defining the spec. I think it was a scenario of trying to create
too inflexible / restrictive rules, and then running into one of the incredibly
prone situations of: No-one can think of everything.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-12-01 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Dec  1 13:23:45 + 
2010 ---
Thanks yes, I'm in the process of editing it. Feel free to add / modify if you
have something to contribute to that page as well.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-11-30 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Nov 30 08:48:31 + 
2010 ---
Good idea! In other words, when having a scientific format the grouping
indicates that it needs to group the exponent on amount of integers - i.e. the
max-integer-digits becomes the exponent increment factor.

And this should only happen if the digit preceding the decimal point in the
format string is a hash. That way the grouping works normally when the format is
.00E+0 ... so in that case 123456 shows as 1,234.56E+2. But if the format
was .00E+0 then it should display as 12.35E+4.

But to get that saved and then re applied after you open the file, there would
be no difference in the style saved in the file between the above samples. Or
should we just disallow grouping with any form of scientific notation? I.e. the
1st sample should read: 1234.56E+2 and the thousands grouping does not happen 
ever.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-11-30 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Nov 30 10:54:17 + 
2010 ---
Actually I've just tested. Whether you do a User Defined or Scientific
format, the Thousands separator check-box is greyed out anyway. Only thing is
that the comma separator should then not have an effect in the custom format 
string.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-11-30 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Dec  1 05:43:48 + 
2010 ---
I'd go further ... I'd say the use of the grouping switch can be seen as a
temporary, quick-fix solution for engineering format only. And yes, to get the
exponents incrementing by a user specified factor is the major requirement here.
For tweaking (which can happen at a later stage) around the increment points,
well need a bit more discussion. With some complex conditional formatting it can
even be possible to show SI prefixes if needed - Not a solution for SI, but
better than nothing.

But! I think there should be a more general purpose number format in the ODF
spec. Why they ignore the format string is beyond me. This seems like such an
inefficient way of doing it:

_When creating a custom format_
1. The user types the format string.
2. The format string is parsed to interpret it into the XML properties.
3. This is saved as the interpreted values, without remembering what the user
typed.

_When opening a file_
1. The XML's properties are read
2. When opening the Number Format dialog, the format string is regenerated from
some hard-coded rules

Would it not have been a lot more efficient, not to mention more comprehensive,
if the format string was saved instead (or even as well)?

I think before the SI thing is added, the ODF bureaucracy should take note that
there's holes in this section - I think a revamp of the number formatting may be
a much better solution in the long-run. Something which would not make it near
impossible to have other numbering systems as well. Shouldn't there be a
question of Allow for un-thought-of scenarios instead of Cater for each
scenario we can think of?

Something to the tune of saving the formatting in this general purpose way as
well as the current. But when the program has yet to implement it - a default
formatting is used. This way if there's any further formatting mods, older
versions of programs (not just OOo.org) could still work with the file (albeit
with a default format), the newer version could read the property(ies) which
explain how to correctly format the number and thus have this implemented there.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-11-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 29 13:18:52 + 
2010 ---
So the ODF spec needs some a new style type for the Si format. And for the
engineering there needs to be added a number:exponent-increment (or some such)
to the number:scientific-number style.

BTW, how are XLS's formats handled when they have the ###. format as per Excel's
Engineering format? It's in any case wrong the way OOo.Calc works at
present. A 0 in the custom format is supposed to mean there **HAS** to be a
digit in this spot. A # is supposed to mean, there **COULD** be a digit in this
spot.

But if your custom format is ###.00E+0 ... then absolutely ALL numbers fill ALL
3 the digits before the decimal. I.e. a value of 1 will format as 100.00E-2,
where logically it should have read 1.0E+0.

Even if you format it using ###, this is only remembered in the same session of
having the file open. If you close and re-open the file, the custom format
reverts to 000.00E+0 ... which logically is how it's formatting at the moment.
So at present it disregards the user's explicit format codes in totality -
nowhere in any of the XML files contained inside the ODS file is the custom
format code saved at all. No wonder this is such a difficult thing to 
accomplish.

It shows up an enormous hole in the ODF standard! Extreme difficulty in
extending styles.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-11-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Nov 30 05:58:48 + 
2010 ---
This is how a format of ###.00E+00 is saved inside the styles.xml inside the ODS
file:
number:number-style style:name=N107
number:scientific-number number:decimal-places=2
number:min-integer-digits=3 number:min-exponent-digits=2/
/number:number-style

And here's the spec:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/cd05/OpenDocument-v1.2-cd05-part1.html#a_16_27_5__number_scientific-number_

It never saves the custom format string. It always translates it into values for
its properties. And seeing as the design of the properties don't allow for
exponent factors  :(

As you can see the ### before the decimal translates incorrectly as:
number:min-integer-digits. Now I can understand 000 being minimum digits, but
not ###. Strictly speaking ### could format anything from a blank, through 0 to
999. 000 can only format from 000 to 999 ... noting else is possible. To have a
true engineering format the custom format string should actually be ##0.00E+0,
since you want at least one integer digit but a maximum of 3.

The SI format spec shouldn't be difficult to define. The difficult portion
is to get it into the spec, through the bureaucracy of the ODF council, and
finally into the programs which use it. The same actually applies to the
proposed change in the scientific format to accommodate engineering.

This is usually why other programs start branching into proprietary formats.
They want to introduce a new feature, but can't since the format (which they
have little control over) doesn't allow for it.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 2497] allow import of SVG (Scalab le Vector Graphics)

2010-11-22 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 22 11:50:55 + 
2010 ---
I've got the same problem. I have to install the svg-import add-on manually
otherwise I simply cannot open any SVG files at all.

Anyhow, I prefer using Inkscape to saveas to ODG - seems to produce better
conversion from SVG.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-11-14 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 15 06:38:05 + 
2010 ---
The only add-on you can hope for is to have a conversion function as per
Thomas's PY code or my SBasic code. I.e. you end up with a formula to change the
number into a string - which means you can't directly calculate from it.

There's no way for an add-on to add something to the formatting functions. They
have to be compiled into OOo Calc itself. Thus it has to be a patch and a later
update. Or at least that's how I understand it, given that I've been looking for
this a while now and cannot find anything which shows how.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-10-21 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 21 06:48:21 + 
2010 ---
I think you're over-complicating the issue. Reverting the string back to a
number is not part of the formatting. Since nowhere does any of the format
functions need to do this. The number is stored internally as a number, not a
string - it's simply displayed as a formatted string. Other calculations are
done on the number, not the string.

The conversion back from a formatted string becomes irrelevant if we can get the
formatting to work properly. It may become a separate issue which could (and
should) be handled by a custom formula (as it is already). This may be useful in
situations where data is read in from a text file or such. So please open
another issue for this, so it can be fine-tuned on its own and maybe added as a
built-in formula.

About the SI and Eng being 2 separate issues, technically that is correct.
Practically, there's no difference. If the formatting can be made to work with
Eng, it would be a near instantaneous modification to generate the same thing
for SI. In both cases most of the hard-work is already done. All that needs to
happen is choosing the most efficient (and least re-write prone) algorithm of
those already available, then incorporating it into the formatting functions as
a patch to OOo - since an add-on is impossible for this.

The last bit is where I'm struggling, the documentation is extremely confusing
(at least to me) and there's no such examples (only examples of setting custom
formats which are already available in the format dialog - not creating a new
formatting type). If I can figure this out, or get someone to show me how / an
example I'd be willing to fix it in my free time.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 103753] Engineering metric value format

2010-09-28 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 28 11:36:42 + 
2010 ---
Is this perhaps a duplicate of issue 5930?

Perhaps not entirely, since this contains a bit more information - i.e. no
trailing zeros, etc. If 5930 can be resolved it would simply need some custom
format strings to accomplish this issue.

Thus maybe this should be marked as dependent to issue 5930.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-07-06 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jul  6 09:06:10 + 
2010 ---
At the top of the web page
(http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5930) you'll see the
attachments. After you've logged in there should be a link named Create new
attachment which should allow you to browse to a file for attaching.

I've been given links to the following after asking on the API forum:
-
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OfficeDev/Number_Formats
- http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/util/NumberFormats.html

It seems as if no-one is available for this fix. So if none of us can do it,
it's not going to be done. There seems to be some samples under the Applying
Number Formats sub-heading of the wiki link. In C++ though ... not my language
of choice, I last used it in the late 90's while studying. But I could try to
remember ;). Just don't have a lot of time myself.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-07-06 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jul  6 09:19:25 + 
2010 ---
Created an attachment (id=70413)
Spreadsheet with conversion functions - enable macros to see


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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-07-06 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jul  6 10:50:51 + 
2010 ---
To get this thing moving, I've started a wiki page under the UX (User
Experience) community.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Engineering_and_SI_Number_Format_in_Calc

Please register if you would like to contribute on the discussion / design of 
this.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 53587] Implement SI-prefix number formatting (System International)

2010-07-06 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jul  6 14:47:24 + 
2010 ---
Please see this wiki page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Engineering_and_SI_Number_Format_in_Calc

There's some questions to be answered before it can be implemented fully /
correctly.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 24373] Engineering and SI/MKSA no tation support for Calc

2010-07-06 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jul  6 14:49:50 + 
2010 ---
I've started asking the UX team about this. See this wiki page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Engineering_and_SI_Number_Format_in_Calc

There's some questions needing resolution.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-07-05 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Jul  5 06:54:55 + 
2010 ---
Could you attach the files here? I'd be interested to see how you did this as
mine is simply using a conversion formula (to-and-from) text. If you've got it
working with the format idea itself, this may be a step in the right direction!

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2010-07-05 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jul  6 05:34:55 + 
2010 ---
Agreed. What I've seen here doesn't do anything more than what my original
custom function in Calc did: convert a number into a text representing the
engineering / SI notation. See the attached EngFormula.ODS file.

I've spoken to some developers and apparently it is possible to add a format
to the current ODS file only, not directly to the Calc application. For that it
has to become part of the source code to the program. Not simply an add-on. Thus
you'll have to load the add-on into each and every ODS file you open.

Now if some developer would please use one of these functions to add it into a
patch, that would be great. I don't care which, they all seem to work correctly.

AND they address BOTH Eng  SI ... so whether it's 2 issues or not is immaterial
when referring to a fix.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 18674] Can't define a CMYK color and keep the same values

2010-06-23 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 23 14:04:39 + 
2010 ---
The problem would still be that the OD# file saves the colour as RGB values. So
this then needs to be exported into a file type which has CMYK abilities
(something like PDF, JPG or TIFF). In which case you can use a PDF Printer
driver (seeing as OOo's PDF export doesn't do CMYK) and apply one of the CMYK
ICC profiles to this driver. You could even obtain the ICC profile specific to
the printer you intend sending it to (hopefully the print-shop or whatever has
such :) ).

The ICC profile can be seen as the formula you suggest with a varying constant.
Depending on the darkness of the colour the constant might need to increase /
decrease. This is accomplished in the profile by having certain sample colours
with near exact matching coordinated values in the target space. The colours in
between then gets extrapolated, so the more samples the more accurate.
http://www.color.org/

As I've stated there is a open source ICC engine available
(http://www.littlecms.com/) which has a reasonably simple way of sending an RGB
value and obtaining another colour space value as result. In their tutorial they
even have a sample of how to convert a BMP between RGB-CMYK and CMYK-RGB.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 18674] Can't define a CMYK color and keep the same values

2010-06-21 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 21 09:44:23 + 
2010 ---
As a stop-gap measure, would it be possible to change only the piece of code
which translates RGB to-and-from CMYK? Obviously this is the major problem which
causes the inconsistency. Even if OOo still stores the colour in RGB form, a
more accurate conversion method would at least provide a more consistent CMYK
value. It might still deviate slightly, but to such small effect that the
difference wouldn't be discernible by eye.

As for the more-black-than-black colours, this would only be possible using a
different colour storage method. I even think only CMYK has this ability, which
is actually defining a colour which doesn't exist. The reason behind these
colours are usually to force a printer to use all 4 its inks when creating
black, usually to compensate for the black ink dye being a bit too gray.

In this case we generally don't adjust for such in the documents. We adjust the
printer's settings using colour correction methods. If you know the black comes
out too washed out, the printer needs to be adjusted either mechanically (by
using blacker ink) or through software (using colour correction in the driver).
But then, that's because we own our own large format printers. When you have to
rely on some outside printer service, you don't have this option. I would advise
however, that you use some other type of program for pre-press ... maybe
something like a DTP (search for Scribus)?

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[framework-issues] [Issue 7373] Colorpicker resizing ; but for increasing viewable area (also colorpic ker redesign)

2010-06-21 Thread irneb
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User bh changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|bh|requirements





--- Additional comments from b...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 13:55:52 + 
2010 ---
To grep the issues easier via requirements I put the issues currently lying on
my owner to the owner requirements. 

--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 21 09:46:07 + 
2010 ---
Definitely also think this is a must. At least give a way of opening the
customize colors other than just through the Options dialog. It should
preferably be something like a More... option in the drop-down (similar to
what users expect from other programs).

The other ideas are also quite nice (e.g. color picker as eye-drop cursor for
choosing a colour from the screen). As for different methods of defining
colours, the current (OOo 3.2.1) only provides RGB / CMYK in the options dialog.
And then of course (as per issue 18674) the CMYK is more of a joke than
something useful.

And for a layman user to choose a colour using only RGB/CMYK is just silly!
That's the way extremely experienced painters would mix their paints to produce
a specific colour. Most people understand colour in the shape of HSL: i.e. The
Hue (Red / Orange / Yellow / Green / Blue / Purple / Magenta) which is the
direction on a colour wheel, then the Saturation (how washed out or rich it
appears), and then the Luminance (brightness / darkness). Fortunately converting
from HSL to-and-from RGB is a lot simpler than the noted CMYK problem, and it
produces a lot more consistent results. So I can't see why this shouldn't at
least be available as one of the colour creation methods.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 12686] Tabbed Document Windows

2010-03-12 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Mar 12 14:41:26 + 
2010 ---
Tabs should have the option of being opened in a new window. Similar to what FF
does by allowing to Open in current tab, new tab or new window. Also it would be
nice to be able to strip  add tabs between separate windows - also as FF is
capable of.

This problem of tabs with multiple desktops or dual screens have also come up on
the Thunder Bird forum:
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/thread_visualization_as_in_threadvis?utm_content=topic_linkutm_medium=emailutm_source=reply_notification

I think it may be a bad thing to introduce tabs the way Mozila did with TB. If
it's only half done, then people will complain even more than not having them at
all.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 12686] Tabbed Document Windows

2010-03-12 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Mar 12 14:48:49 + 
2010 ---
The split window's a nice idea as well. Especially if tabs become a reality it
could be a necessity.

Try to think back to the older MDI interface, where the docs where windows
inside the main program's window. You had a Tile / Cascade Windows option which
performed this basic split-view idea. With the newer SDI interface you either
need to stretch the windows manually or have some other program which can
arrange them for you.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2010-02-18 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 04:55:05 + 
2010 ---
Created an attachment (id=67905)
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2010-02-18 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 04:57:05 + 
2010 ---
I think this is not going to happen exactly as per WP's RC. Therefore I'm
starting to design an alternative which could work for OOo. See the attached
file - (Explanation of RC Alternative).

I'd like to see comments about this as I want to run it by the UX team as well.
Maybe I should start a Wiki Page there?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2010-02-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 04:57:04 + 
2010 ---
If you need WP on Linux, you could try Wine -
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=222

Not all the versions seem to work though, but at least you don't need a 2nd OS
in a VM just to run one program.

Alternatively (if you don't mind using an older version), there's still a free
native Linux version of WP8 available:
http://tldp.org/FAQ/WordPerfect-Linux-FAQ/downloadwp8.html

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 71067] Justify Text not for Last Line

2010-01-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 15 21:17:19 + 
2010 ---
OK so I've marked this as depending on your bug. Issue 107470

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[sc-issues] [Issue 107470] Add Distributed Text Al ignment

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[sc-issues] [Issue 107470] Add Distributed Text Al ignment

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 15 00:49:51 + 
2010 ---
Thanks, that is exactly what I've mentioned about it being possible in Writer,
but not in Draw. Is there a way to get the same option available in Draw?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 107470] Add Distributed Text Al ignment

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 15 00:50:53 + 
2010 ---
Sorry, above post refers to Issue 71067

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 71067] Justify Text not for Last Line

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 15 00:51:39 + 
2010 ---
See my comment on Issue 107470

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[framework-issues] [Issue 12686] Tabbed Document Windows

2009-12-19 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Dec 19 19:59:52 + 
2009 ---
Another reason I'd say tabs need to be in the title bar (instead of the 3rd
new tab-bar) is the differences in toolbars between programs. Say you have a
Writer  Calc file open. If you switch between them, they may have differing
lines of toolbars at the top ... which in effect would move the tab-bar up/down
- this could become quite irritating after a while.

Other than that, I can see 2 solutions if we don't go with the title-bar tabs:

1) Use a constant toolbar design like in the Renaissance project. This is
probably also one of M$'s Fluent design reasons (i.e. Ribbon). But even some
of the other proposals could work for this (e.g.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Johannes_Eva#14.1_More_about_toolbars
)

2) Only have tabs per program. I.e. don't mix Calc files with Writer files, with
Draw, with Base, etc.

As to the other related issue of Divisions inside the ODT file. If I
understand correctly, these are available in OOo Writer if you use Master
Documents. Then you have a floating / docked sidebar called the Navigator, which
has a list of Sections which you can double click to goto that section.

This I'd suggest having as tabs at the bottom, since the tabs would only have
reference to the current document. Similar to the tabs in Calc only pertinent to
the current ODS file. At least this would be consistent!

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-09-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 29 07:34:47 + 
2009 ---
It seems possible to at least have a display of what formatting is used, but
editing these would not work as WP's RC does. The difference between WP  OOo is
that WP uses a form of nested and / or overlapping format codes, while OOo
enforces absolutely no nesting and / or overlapping. Each bit of text could only
have one single formatting style applied to it. The bit may range from a
single character, to a paragraph, to the entire document - as long as the format
stays consistent to the previous style's format the style is not closed.

OOo uses only a sub-set of what I thought it did originally: instead of the
formatting codes it only uses CSS-like styles (Cascading Style Sheets), but
without the C part (cascading) - so that should probably read SS styles (Style
Sheet). Whenever a hard-format change is done to anything, an entirely new
auto-style is created. The previous style is stopped and a new style tag is
started. The new style incorporates all the formatting codes of the previous
style with the exception of the change. This sounds (to me at least) a bit
wasted as a simple change to bold would duplicate every other format assignment
(font, underline, font size, capitalization, italics, etc.) which is still as
previous. However, I can see that it's much more efficient (program speed wise)
than WP's nested / overlapping method: see below.

WP (on the other hand) has no such thing as auto-generated-styles. It uses open
and close tags for each format change. E.g. a bold start  end, an underline
start  end, etc. It does have a style start  end tag as well, but this is
considered similar to any other format tag pair. This method uses the least
amount of space to actually save the formatting, seeing as any one single change
is saved as only that change - the formatting which is not changed still
continues and is not stopped  duplicated as with OOo. Programming speed wise
this could have a detrimental effect though, seeing as displaying any piece of
text all the previous text needs to be examined to find out what format is still
applicable. With OOo only the latest style start tag needs to be found to
display any one piece of text.

The reason I can't see OOo using RC directly as WP does is this: OOo has no way
of knowing to which style start tag a style stop tag refers. Thus it assumes
it always refers to the latest style start. This does not create a problem in
OOo due to the rule that only one style can be applied at any one time. WP's
stop tags are always paired to a start tag (be that a style or other formatting
code), thus the stop tag would stop its corresponding style / format and not
become confused with something else (like OOo would).

@mestech: It would certainly be possible to convert these temporary styles to
full styles to be displayed in the stylist. It may be a bit difficult to group
them into Paragraph, Character, Page, etc. ... but then again maybe not. It
doesn't exactly serve the purpose of reveal codes though (only very partly).

The real problem I can see with this is an entirely new style is created each
time any one thing is changed. I've also not checked if duplicate formatting
creates duplicate styles or if the existing (similar) auto style is re-used.
This may create hundreds (if not thousands) of styles in the stylist.

If you do need the hard-format to be saved as a Style in Stylist, this feature
is already implemented (at least in 3.1, probably earlier). If you have the
stylist open, select the hard-formatted text. Then click on the New Style from
Selection button (top-right of stylist panel). Give the new style a name. The
group would be the same as the currently displayed style group page (i.e.
Paragraph, Character, Frame, Page / List). True this is not automatic, as you
suggested for the macro, but at least it's not going to create hundreds of
styles which are (nearly) the same to each other.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-09-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 29 07:54:10 + 
2009 ---
@mestech (again) :)
Maybe that's a step in the right direction: have at least a visual indication of
where these Auto-Generated-Styles start / stop. This way some of the RC
functionality is possible as the user could at least discover where changes
occur, and thus it would make searching for errors a bit easier.

Then it would be nice to have something (say in the pop-up menu) to revert to
previous format at a start of a newly generated auto-style. This way the user
can see: Oh! Here's where the error happened. Change it to what was previous.

And then (what would really be nice) is to have a display list of the previous,
current  next auto-style's formatting codes. Preferably highlighting the
differences. And then allowing the user to join them by removing / adding
differences.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-09-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 29 07:55:26 + 
2009 ---
@mestech (again) :)
Maybe that's a step in the right direction: have at least a visual indication of
where these Auto-Generated-Styles start / stop. This way some of the RC
functionality is possible as the user could at least discover where changes
occur, and thus it would make searching for errors a bit easier.

Then it would be nice to have something (say in the pop-up menu) to revert to
previous format at a start of a newly generated auto-style. This way the user
can see: Oh! Here's where the error happened. Change it to what was previous.

And then (what would really be nice) is to have a display list of the previous,
current  next auto-style's formatting codes. Preferably highlighting the
differences. And then allowing the user to join them by removing / adding
differences.

In the long run this may even become more usable than RC for fault finding. Then
there simply needs to be some way of doing Search  Replace for formatting as 
well.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 08:24:51 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=64763)
Macro to convert to Eng / Si notation (revision 2)


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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 08:33:19 + 
2009 ---
Modified version to allow specified precision of number's decimals as well as
the minimum number of digits for the exponent. Also added conversion from SI and
to SI names instead of abbreviations ... not really necessary, but it was so
easy after the SI notation.

I note one problem however: anything too small (less than yocto) simply gives a
0. If anyone knows how to get round that scenario, please let me know. Next step
would be to make this into an Add-On and optimize it a bit.

Then to figure out how to actually incorporate this format conversion into the
display format functions so the user doesn't need to convert to-and-from text
and numbers.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 53587] Implement SI-prefix number formatting (System International)

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 12:34:37 + 
2009 ---
Is this not a double to Issue 48026? At least for the first part? Anyhow, I've
implemented a conversion formula for this as well ... see the attached.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 48026] Improve Scientific Number Format

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 12:37:15 + 
2009 ---
A similar (if not entirely duplicate) of this seems to be Issue 5357. Where that
differs from this issue is the 2nd request for Binary notation. See that issue
for the additional Conversion function to Binary notation (e.g. 1024 becomes 
1.0Ki)

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[sc-issues] [Issue 53587] Implement SI-prefix number formatting (System International)

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 12:38:03 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=64770)
Macro to convert to Eng / Si notation (revision 3) with Binary notation


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[sc-issues] [Issue 53587] Implement SI-prefix number formatting (System International)

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 12:41:13 + 
2009 ---
A similar (if not entirely duplicate) of this seems to be Issue 53587. Where 
that
differs from this issue is the 2nd request for Binary notation. See that issue
for the additional Conversion function to Binary notation (e.g. 1024 becomes 
1.0Ki)

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 12:46:36 + 
2009 ---
Yes, what I'm working on is a work-around to the existing problem. With some
nested formulae it would now be possible to have Eng notation displayed while
still being able to calculate with the text. Not ideal, but at least it gets job
done.

I have looked at changing the Cell Format functions, but that's beyond my
expertise. I've passed this along and hopefully someone could incorporate it (or
something similar) to get exactly what is requested here.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 14:03:23 + 
2009 ---
Yes well, I've also noted that Issue 24373 is not a duplicate of this since SI
notation is not the same as Engineering notation. Both issues however would want
the Cell Format to work instead of using conversion functions. The code I've
attached is simply my way of getting this functionality available in OOoCalc.

Unfortunately not with Cell Formatting but at least the result is the same
(sort-of). It's not as easy to use as Cell Formatting would be, I'm the first to
admit that, but the displayed value at least shows as it should. It is by *no
means* a solution to this problem! It's a work-around so those who cannot wait,
for some developer to one day actually do something about it, could at least get
their spreadsheets to a working format.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 48026] Improve Scientific Number Format

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 15:06:04 + 
2009 ---
Sorry, mistype. It should read Issue 53587 ... and no I don't agree that this is
a duplicate of Issue 5930. SI and Engineering formats are not the same thing.

This issue needs to be re-opened  renamed so the Engineering portion is
removed. That is duplicate to 5930.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 48026] Improve Scientific Number Format

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 15:08:17 + 
2009 ---
This may possibly be a duplicate of Issue 23373 (which is also marked as
duplicate of 5930).

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[sc-issues] [Issue 24373] Engineering and SI/MKSA no tation support for Calc

2009-09-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 15:16:40 + 
2009 ---
There's a misconception - this issue is not the same as 5930. The Summary should
be changed to SI notation. Engineering notation is as per the proposed
substitute, which is what Issue 5930 is all about.

A similar (if not entirely duplicate) of this seems to be Issue 53587. Where 
that
differs from this issue is the 2nd request for Binary notation. See that issue
for the additional Conversion function to Binary notation (e.g. 1024 becomes
1.0Ki). I've attached a spreadsheet there which provides a work-around to all 3
issues (5930, 24272 and 53587). It's not a solution since it uses conversion
functions instead of Cell Formatting, but at least you could get the correctly
formatted value to show in the cell.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 53587] Implement SI-prefix number formatting (System International)

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 15 15:19:27 + 
2009 ---
This may definitely be duplicate to Issue 24373, however this should also not be
closed due to the Binary prefixes. Maybe simply change the summary to reflect?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 24373] Engineering and SI/MKSA no tation support for Calc

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 14 14:18:43 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=64755)
Macro to convert to Eng / Si notation


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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-14 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 14 14:24:25 + 
2009 ---
OK, I've just attached a spreadsheet with a sBasic macro for converting a number
to Eng notation or Si notation. Unfortunately both cases are text, so direct
calculations would not work. The Eng notation can easily be reverted back to
normal Scientific notation through the VALUE formula. But, the Si notation would
require a further macro to convert back ... should not be too difficult ...
hopefully ... will come back when I've got some time to fix that up.

Please note, this is a rough testing program. There's possibly quite a few
errors, and I haven't even looked at enabling enforcement of a minimum number of
digits pre- / post the decimal point.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 70834] Provide additional scient ific number format (milli, kilo, mega, etc.)

2009-09-14 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 14 14:34:14 + 
2009 ---
I do not think this issue should be closed, it's not exactly the same as
Engineering notation. Please see my attachment in Issue 5930 - it's clearly not
implemented the same way either (only the basic idea is the same).

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5930] Engineering Notation

2009-09-09 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Sep  9 09:42:18 + 
2009 ---
Agree wholeheartedly with (some of) alistair's comments.

Eng and SI are NOT the same thing. They are only related because they use the
same multiples (in most cases). They are definitely NOT duplicates!

SI allows for other exponents as well:
E.g. Hecto (h prefix) is E+02; Deca (da) = E+01; Deci (d) = E-01; Centi (c) =
E-02; Only for the rest (up / down) the 3 digit multiple applies.

See the WikiPedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix). It may be
beneficial for implementation to have the SI issue as dependent on the Eng
issue, simply because part of it would become easier to implement. But these 4
situations then need to become exceptions, maybe as an option since they're not
always used in all industries. E.g. architecture usually uses millimeters, but
sometimes centimeters and / or decimeters depending on location.

BTW, the SI prefixes are already used in the COVERT_ADD function. It would be
nice to also then be able to display it!

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[framework-issues] [Issue 91813] Update Packages - Only to Include Changed Parts

2009-09-03 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Sep  3 11:11:25 + 
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Thanks, you're correct - marking it as duplicate.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 91813] Update Packages - Only to Include Changed Parts

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Sep  3 11:17:15 + 
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Sorry, doesn't seem to work. Do you need extra permission to mark an issue you
started yourself as a duplicate of another?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 5460] Corel Quattro Pro import fi lter/file open

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[sc-issues] [Issue 97093] Position of active cell wh en selecting a range

2009-08-31 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 19:59:32 + 
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[sc-issues] [Issue 97093] Position of active cell wh en selecting a range

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 20:00:14 + 
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It's definitely not a question of trying to be like M$. My attachment shows the
same behavior in Corel QuatroPro as Excel does.

It's a definite requirement in my opinion. And seeing as there's a patch (thanks
kohei) it should not be a question of too few resources.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 97093] Position of active cell wh en selecting a range

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[sc-issues] [Issue 97093] Position of active cell wh en selecting a range

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 21:06:19 + 
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[sc-issues] [Issue 97093] Position of active cell wh en selecting a range

2009-08-31 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 21:07:26 + 
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[sc-issues] [Issue 97093] Position of active cell wh en selecting a range

2009-08-31 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 21:12:21 + 
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Just had another look. Both Excel  Quatto Pro work as follows:
If the user selects a range of cells, the current cell is always the 1st
selected in the range. Then also the sorting is calculated on that column by
default.

See the 2 video screen captures attached. I'm in 2 minds if this is correct. On
the one hand the user now has more control over how a selection is done, but on
the other a user may not know it works this way. But still, IMHO, the Excell /
Quattro Pro method is more intuitive ... see e.g. when pasting a range
selection, the cursor is placed at the top-left-most cell of the new selection.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box should offer more alignment options

2009-08-19 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 19 10:24:21 + 
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IOW what should happen is to align with the left / right side of the text, minus
the sidebearing of the character. I've just tried this in Scribus, it has an
option for aligning text to the box sides using an optical alignment ... which
seems to accomplish this task.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box should offer more alignment options

2009-08-18 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 18 09:47:32 + 
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 This is intended so by the font designer.
Which is fine (I suppose) when there's 2 characters next to each other. But
where I find it really irritating is at present I'm creating a email signature
with logo  disclaimer at the bottom. I'm trying to line-up the disclaimer
paragraph with the left edge of logo. While with some fiddling I can align most
of the text lines with the logo, the text actually does not look aligned to
left. It appears as if I indented by using spaces instead of a tab (like you
find a non PC literate typist would do), while it's not even indented at all.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box should offer more alignment options

2009-08-18 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 18 10:15:36 + 
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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box should offer more alignment options

2009-08-18 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 18 10:53:57 + 
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I've just attached an ODG file with the problem shown. I've tried adjusting the
text paragraph by moving it -0.01cm (absolute minimum which has any effect)
after aligning with the rectangle.

As you can see some of the text now passes to the left of the rectangle, while
others are still to the right of the edge.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3243] improve justification by co ndensing spaces as well as expanding

2009-08-17 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 17 14:36:29 + 
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Issue 74715 may be dependent on this. Although it doesn't even consider the
justification of a paragraph, it does show the problem with OOo's current text
rendering. Even just left justified paragraphs don't align with each consecutive
line. It's as if each character has a varying bleed space around it.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box Alignment to Font

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 17 15:13:42 + 
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It's actually even worse than just aligning to the ink boundary. Since multiple
lined paragraphs don't even align with each consecutive line.

See the example I've attached. The 2 top lines are inside one text box. As
you'll note the capital T is much closer to the alignment edge than the next
line's lowercase r. The bottom 2 lines I had to split into 2 separate text boxes
and align then individually. The T and c's differences are even more pronounced
then T  r.

That's why I think this may be dependent on Issue 3243, at least if a version of
Optical Letter Kerning is used there.



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[framework-issues] [Issue 7449] Allow customization of cont ext menus

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[sw-issues] [Issue 81097] pdf export - selection of text coding (CMYK or RGB)

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 08:54:00 + 
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Inside a PDF, the RGB / CMYK / Gery color space is saved as an ICC profile.
Usually RGB=sRGB IEC61966-2.1; CMYK=U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2; Grey=Gray Gamma 
2.2

At least, that's what Adobe Acrobat does. OOo does not use anything like the ICC
(International Color Consortium) standards. It only uses RGB values, which is
not great since any RGB value may look different on different display devices
(especially comparing screen with printer). See Issue 18674

I don't think anything like this will be possible until the whole color system
gets revamped to use the ICC XYZ color space with profile matching instead.
Nearly all graphical programs use this method (at least all professional quality
programs). Not many word processors though, but it shouldn't be difficult if the
color space is introduced to have the same functionality throughout OOo.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 13524] More options for PDF expor t

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 09:13:45 + 
2009 ---
Similar issues already for this:
- Colour matching using ICC profiles: Issue 18647 (this may require a lot of 
work)
- Image Resultion: Issue 4499 (Plugin available for PNG, JPG  TIFF, could maybe
added for embedded JPG in PDF?)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 13524] More options for PDF expor t

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 4499] Export to bitmap file has f ixed DPI (resolution)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 13524] More options for PDF expor t

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 09:17:43 + 
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Sorry for Colour matching it should be Issue 18674 ... mistype, my bad!

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[sw-issues] [Issue 81097] pdf export - selection of text coding (CMYK or RGB)

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 22062] Ability to change thicknes s of lines in hatching

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 22062] Ability to change thicknes s of lines in hatching

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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 09:23:04 + 
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I second this! Definitely needed.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 14163] EPS content is not exporte d to pdf properly

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 2497] allow import of SVG (Scalab le Vector Graphics)

2009-08-15 Thread irneb
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  CC|'argasek,auberger,beppec56|'argasek,auberger,beppec56
|,bobiciel,camillem,davidfr|,bobiciel,camillem,davidfr
|aser,haui,is,james_clark,j|aser,haui,irneb,is,james_c
|jtn,jlp,joergwartenberg,ka|lark,jjtn,jlp,joergwartenb
|mi_,kendy,khirano,kreawit,|erg,kami_,kendy,khirano,kr
|mandreiana,masayan,maxwebe|eawit,mandreiana,masayan,m
|r,mfedyk,mmeeks,msundman,n|axweber,mfedyk,mmeeks,msun
|eteler,nogin,odalman,olo,p|dman,neteler,nogin,odalman
|agalmes,palecekj,parrenin,|,olo,pagalmes,palecekj,par
|pbryan,rocco83,samuel |renin,pbryan,rocco83,





--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 09:57:12 + 
2009 ---
Second this! Or is that 439th this? As there's already 438 votes? Anyway there's
439 now!

SVG is the only open source vector format with decent capabilities. ODG still
has some problems (especially with text formatting  positioning) see Issue 
74715

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box Alignment to Font

2009-08-15 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 10:18:51 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=64181)
Sample to show problem


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[graphics-issues] [Issue 74715] Text Box Alignment to Font

2009-08-15 Thread irneb
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 Version|OOo 2.1   |OOo 3.1





--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 10:25:19 + 
2009 ---
Created a sample to show the problem. Each of the texts has a spacing to borders
set to 0.00cm and then aligned to the rectangle below. The 2 lines below that is
split into 2 text objects since the space next to each character varies
between characters. This is not the case in other programs (e.g. Scribus) which
aligns the actual character to the specified side of the text box. So an align
of a multi-line text box aligns all the characters correctly.

BTW, the sample was done in OOo Draw 3.0 so it's still a problem.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3243] improve justification by co ndensing spaces as well as expanding

2009-08-15 Thread irneb
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[framework-issues] [Issue 12686] Tabbed Document Windows

2009-08-15 Thread irneb
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|ami_,khirano,marshall,mba,|aure,kami_,khirano,marshal
|mfedyk,norbert2,rsponsel,t|l,mba,mfedyk,norbert2,rspo
|hing,volkerme'|nsel,thing,volkerme'





--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 15 10:53:33 + 
2009 ---
Yes! This would be wonderful! It's got my vote!

I just think a tabbed interface may look better in the actual titlebar (maybe
on the right, just left of the minimize, maximize, close buttons). But then
again, this may be too different from what people are used to in FF.

FF's tabs work so easily, can be understood so quickly, as to be a no-brainer.
It shouldn't even be a query on if this can be implemented (i.e. FEATURE
REQUEST). It should be a REQUIREMENT!

BTW, wouldn't it be nice to then also add something like the tab addons in FF.
E.g. Tab mix (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1122)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-08-12 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 13 05:33:11 + 
2009 ---
I also love the RC feature in WP. I'm just saying that now that I've actually
looked at the thing myself, I can see no way of implementing it with the current
ODF file format. Either they have to change the file format (which is not going
to happen), or they implement another form of RC instead of simply cloning WP's
version. My suggestion is something in the form of Oxygen XML Editor's visual 
tags.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 103582] Fill Area by Picking

2009-07-15 Thread irneb
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 Issue #|103582
 Summary|Fill Area by Picking
   Component|Drawing
 Version|OOo 3.1
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|editing
 Assigned to|graphicsneedsconfirm
 Reported by|irneb





--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Jul 16 04:36:41 + 
2009 ---
Is there any way you could fill an area by picking a point inside an enclosed
space. Basically, you'll have some shapes crossing (or ending on) each other,
forming a enclosed shape ... similar to an intersect, but you want to portion
in between.

I can do this type of thing in PhotoShop (which is Raster Based with the Fill
feature), or in AutoCAD (which is Vector Based with the Hatch command). But I
haven't seen anything like this in vector based graphics (except for CAD 
packages).

What I'm thinking is similar to the Hatch command in CAD, the user picks a point
inside an enclosed space. The command calculates a boundary object from that by
tracing an imaginary line in a radial pattern. Wherever this line crosses a
shape's boundary this becomes the new boundary of the hatch.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-04-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 16:09:35 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=61891)
Example of element / formatting tags for XML


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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-04-29 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 16:34:08 + 
2009 ---
I've attached a screenshot of the oXygen XML editor's method to show element
tags. This looks so similar to WP's RC as to be the same, although oXygen
formats it using tabs, which IMHO is even better since you can see the various
parts easier.

However I did a test with the OOo xml based file. I whote the following in a
blank ODT: This is a test for formatting. Bolded from start to just after for,
underlined from test till end. Opening the CONTENTS.XML file inside the ODT
zip archive. The way it's saved makes the RC a bit complicated:

text:p
  text:span text:style-name=T1This is a/text:span 
  text:span text:style-name=T3test for/text:span 
  text:span text:style-name=T2formatting./text:span 
/text:p

Now each of these temporary styles, that should rather be automatically
created styles, have the full set of formatting to each:

style:style style:name=T1 style:family=text
  style:text-properties fo:font-weight=bold style:font-weight-asian=bold
style:font-weight-complex=bold / 
/style:style
style:style style:name=T2 style:family=text
  style:text-properties style:text-underline-style=solid
style:text-underline-width=auto style:text-underline-color=font-color / 
/style:style
style:style style:name=T3 style:family=text
  style:text-properties style:text-underline-style=solid
style:text-underline-width=auto style:text-underline-color=font-color
fo:font-weight=bold style:font-weight-asian=bold
style:font-weight-complex=bold / 
/style:style

To have RC working the content should have been saved as such:
text:ptext:span text:style-name=T1This is a text:span
text:style-name=T2test for/text:span formatting./text:span

However, this would not work properly, since the 1st closing marker /text:span
would close the T2 style (underlining). This is not as intended.

So I'm rather then suggesting some visual XML editing to be incorporated into
Writer.

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[dba-issues] [Issue 42464] [RFE] allow to link tables from dfferent sources into one database file

2009-02-03 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Feb  3 12:57:11 + 
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While it's true in saying only those already using DB tools (like Access, which
is certainly not the only prog with this ability, e.g. Paradox) ... the
dependent issue of importing other DB's tables is certainly a much more
requested feature (as it's something everyone would want).

I've just checked on the votes. This issue ranks 90th on all non-fixed issues
(throughout the entire OOo), and 4th on the Database access component. This puts
it inside the 0.1% top most requested issues, out of 9+ issues to date.

Then to make the picture more clear, the dependent issue about importing from /
to different databases, is ranked even higher (as can be expected). 17th
overall, and 2nd in DB component.

So this is not actually a lowly issue. It's one of the most noted ... but still
for 3 years it's been ignored. No indication of even planning to start it.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 4499] Export to bitmap file has f ixed DPI (resolution)

2009-01-27 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Jan 27 13:50:58 + 
2009 ---
I suppose as soon as the extension works correctly it'll be incorporated. Many a
new feature (not just in OOo) happened in this way. Take for example the
Lightning add-on for Thunderbird ... it's now going to be incorporated into TB3.

But you're correct, if OOo Draw wants to be a decent alternative to other vector
packages, this is a must (not an option)!

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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes

2009-01-21 Thread irneb
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--- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 06:55:32 + 
2009 ---
Hear! Hear! Until Writer has a decent RC-like feature (not simply an add-on to
display codes) it's (just like Word) a dinky-toy word processor. Just barely
enough to write those office memos, but don't try doing anything serious like
writing a product manual - you'll be wasting your time.

I've also started writing most of these things in HTML. I've been using NVU for
that since you can swap easily between WYSIWYG and Source editing (exactly as
you'd expect from RC), and have a built in CSS editor. And BTW if you're doing
HTML hard coding, XML shouldn't be that steep a learning curve ... they're
basically the same structure, XML's just got some extras and more strict
(similar to XHTML).

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 4499] Export to bitmap file has f ixed DPI (resolution)

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 24 15:14:01 + 
2008 ---
Obviously transparency needs to be added as soon as the actual filters allow for
this. Does anyone know what time this could be expected? In particular 32bit 
PNG?

Would it also be possible to incorporate this
(http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=18674) into the dialog. Much
like Corel Draw / Photo Shop has a check-box for applying colour correction into
the exported image and a combo box for selecting the output profile. E.g.:
  (x) Use colour matching  [sRGB Profile ^]

Maybe even go further with TIFF / JPG by adding a secondary option, i.e.:
  ( ) Embed colour profile

As to the DPI, LPI, SPI, PPI scenario. That's probably just semantics for this
particular problem. Usually the user simply wants to export at a resolution
high enough not to start pixelating the image when imported into another prog.
So (whatever you call it DPI, PPI, etc.) give some defaults (e.g. 96, 100, 150,
200, 300, etc.) but allow for custom as well. Never force your opinion onto the
user - give her the power to decide but also make it easier (therefore defaults
with a custom option for those techy types). The current dialog only has the
custom option - could this be changed to a combo-box with the defaults as stated
previously but allow the user to enter a different value as per now?

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[framework-issues] [Issue 91813] Update Packages - Only to Include Changed Parts

2008-07-18 Thread irneb
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 Issue #|91813
 Summary|Update Packages - Only to Include Changed Parts
   Component|framework
 Version|OOo 2.4.1
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|www
 Assigned to|mba
 Reported by|irneb





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 18 14:10:53 + 
2008 ---
Now given this doesn't happen that often, i.e. not like M$ with their daily
updates. Is there any reason why your updates constitute the entire Open Office?
Why not just the changed files?

E.g. I've got 2.4 installed. Now it says there's a security update to 2.4.1.
Does the security update constitute each and every file of the distribution? I
highly doubt that! So why not create one of those patches as M$ does? You
could still have the full package install for any new users - but for current
users sitting behind a slow country-wide connection downloading the 150MB takes
hours!

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