[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 24 15:58:26 + 2008 --- i understand that supporting ooxml would benefit somewhat openoffice.org and that there is some demand to have it too, but there are on the other hand a lot of features that users would like to have implemented too (as the ones you are currently working on, pdf editing or native mac support, the first one being a way more demanded than ooxml, and there is already a ooxml plugin). supporting natively ooxml ties you to this format, and upgrades/corrections will be expected as soon as microsoft feels it's time to break things up. this results in having to spend a lot of time on it, time that could be spent on improving or supporting new features in openoffice.org. this tactic will be used by microsoft against competitors to slow them down and try to make them look as inviable alternatives, as it has always done since the 80'. plus you are somehow officially endorsing the ooxml format while it's being tried to have it considered as an interoperable format yet. i really think this makes more harm than it benefits users, and the whole community -including developers- on the long term. -i know i could we wrong here -we will see in 5 years if i was- but what is wrong in having it as plugin or optional feature if it might benefit us? is it not worth to try? ooxml shouldn't even be considered for interoperability, but for internal use by people that use microsoft's office suite. for interop we have already opendocument, made in consensus by all interested parties, even microsoft could have joined if it wanted. and as a plus we could say we weren't investigated by the european commision during the process as strange things were happening :) look: openoffice.org is being used by millions of persons around the world, governments are using it and adopting opendocument, large and medium sized enterprises use it, it's being given on 'freeware cd's' with newspapers, even startups, that ask us if it's ok to send everything in opendocument format, and we use it internally too. things are changing, openoffice.org is popular, and it's time to *act* as a leader. not only software development is needed, but strategics too. we are not in the 90' anymore. it is not desirable to stay behind microsoft anymore, and now they are being forced to interoperate and support opendocument it's time to stop following it's games, at least officially. i repeat: there are already plugins to support ooxml in openoffice.org, to keep everyone happy without any ties or endorsement i'm the first person who hates politics, but this is not only a question of what is technically better, if it were, microsoft would join us to improve opendocument. have you seen sony publishing anything on the recently killed hd-dvd? or windows supporting ext3? i really wish things wouldn't work this way, but they do. and we have now an opportunity we haven't had before - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 24 17:45:00 + 2008 --- well, i think everything has been said. we are in a very special situation, where governments and large enterprises are pressing microsoft to support opendocument if they do not want to lose million-dollar-contracts. they created ooxml, that is not just a new version of their microsoft office format, but something they are using against opendocument as last, desperate resource to try to bypass it. it would be right to handle consequently, as we all know who we are dealing with that is my concern, and i'm glad i could share it here with you. thank you for your attention and have a nice day - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 23 20:08:16 + 2008 --- let me draw this scenario, as this is all a strategical issue: if opendocument remains as the open standard document that is being adopted already by governments and large enterprises, microsoft will have to support it well in ms-office. they are trying to avoid this pressure and we are helping them by supporting their own format. this is a chance we have never had before, and we are risking to loose it if ooxml is supported and considered an open standard, microsoft could forget supporting opendocument and would lobby to have it's own format accepted too, it will complain and ask for neutrality to governments. and if they break it, as they usually do, and openoffice.org doesn't operate well with ms-office created documents, we are to blame. this is what microsoft has done in the past and what it is trying to do yet. i really do want to pressure microsoft to adopt open standards, and the only way is to have them support opendocument or any other format they have to implement themselves. microsoft has to change, not us. they are doing always nasty things not us. they have to adopt standards not us! look at microsoft: they haven't even accepted the existence of linux until internal papers were filtered to the public to let all know that they were considering it a threat. and we are not only doing this, we are supporting them! do we really trust them? again? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 24 01:11:28 + 2008 --- you do not need to install a non-free operating system nor a non-free software package to read documents generated by MS-Office 2007 as it can handle the opendocument format they are being pressured to do so (governments of a lot of countries are switching to opendocument), and if they do not want to lose government and large enterprises contracts they will if they do not implement opendocument in ms-office well, it will be their fault if openoffice.org doesn't handle well ooxml, it's our fault, no matter what microsoft has done or how it has implemented or tweaked his own standard (look at internet explorer, java, etc it's nothing new). the industry has to adapt itself to microsoft while they try to break things up, the point where we have always been supporting ooxml while it's even beeing considered as a iso standard yet could risk this opportunity (they are trying to bypass opendocument), as ooxml could be considered an alternative, an microsoft wouldn't be forced to support opendocument anymore. we'll be where we always have been... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 24 01:38:30 + 2008 --- this is all strategics: what is most important for microsoft? large enterprises and governments. and they want open document formats and are smiling to opendocument. microsoft is worried and wants to bypass the requirement of supporting opendocument at any cost they are proposing their own format to leave things as they always have been, ignoring all competitors, and we are supporting them? why? they didn't even recognize the existence of linux and we are helping them? since when is it good to help competitors? and if they use questionable tactics and get sued again and again, but it's still worth for them? can we believe they will play nice this time, because.. they are now a ngo? let *them* support opendocument, and not the other way. they have to ignore ooxml, this is basic business strategics. it can be implemented in the future, native or as plugin, but i'd have it considered as the last alternative if everything goes wrong. and it shouldn't. only the most important clients of microsoft can make pressure on them, and they are doing it. let things happen - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 24 01:47:23 + 2008 --- if you ask kindly, yes :) what else can you do if someone sends you something in a strange format? microsoft office can handle opendocument, and if you really want to do the job, there are ooxml plugins for openoffice.org too - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 24 02:04:35 + 2008 --- btw, in my universe and i think in yours too there are not very much ooxml documents yet, and i can consider it as a strange format i can't open (which is true). it's the moment to pressure to have opendocument widely adopted, in a couple of months it could be too late if microsoft manages to bypass it and if microsoft manages to bypass opendocument and ooxml gets widely adopted, opendocument won't. it's as simple as that. we'll stay where we always have been - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[framework-issues] [Issue 87344] no native OOXML support, a s plugin instead
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87344 Issue #|87344 Summary|no native OOXML support, as plugin instead Component|framework Version|1.0.0 Platform|All URL| OS/Version|All Status|UNCONFIRMED Status whiteboard| Keywords| Resolution| Issue type|FEATURE Priority|P3 Subcomponent|code Assigned to|tm Reported by|kzyag --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Mar 22 22:11:43 + 2008 --- this applies to the current work that is being done to support natively OOXML in the next version of openoffice.org: it there any possibility to make a ooxml-less version of openoffice.org having it as optional plugin or via a different build without it? let me explain this: openoffice.org has supported microsoft formats because it had to, *until yet*. now even microsoft office can handle the opendocument format, so why do we still fill the need of supporting their newer formats without any warranty that it will work well? (microsoft is *the* standard-breaking specialist, and he doesn't even support fully his own format yet). now we can ask other users to send the documents in the apropiate format: opendocument. it's the time to change which the leading document format is, and government and large enterprises are interested in this change too. from a technical point of view, OOXML is another document format, that if supported, will enhance opendocument.org as any new feature does from a non-technical point of view, we all know the tactics microsoft has used in the past, how they welcome any third party attempt to support his new format, yet, and only yet, because it's smiling to ISO waiting to have it rubber-stamped. but microsoft likes to break standards, it loves to lock-in his users and it abuses the dominant position it has. this is no news for anyone.. and i want, as user, to forget all microsoft formats and demand documents in a standard format. well, OOXML should be a standard too, right? but microsoft breaks standards anyway, so why wouldn't he do it again this time? finally, openoffice.org would be to blame if it doesn't interoperate well with ms-office created documents, even if they do not respect thir own standard, as they do with internet explorer. don't let them fill everything with smoke and put opendocument on the side. common sense says the efforts should be made in these areas: improve the opendocument format have all documents coded in this format have it well supported in ms-office supporting OOXML goes against all three points, as there will be no need to use opendocument anymore if everyone thinks that OOXML is well supported by all applications (leave this to microsoft marketing dept) i do not know if i have explained this well, but i hope that decisions are not made only on a technical basis, but in a strategical way to benefit open source software and open standards too, considering what microsoft has done in the past, and what it will probably do in the future please leave us at least the possibility to have a ooxml-less openoffice.org to users that want it, or make a survey to know if i'm the only person that wants to push opendocument by all possible ways and have it as leader of document formats, or at least try it. PLEASE - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
