[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] In "standard" data type cs v import should never convert items with one d ot to dates

2009-06-08 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from mfra...@openoffice.org Mon Jun  8 07:32:18 
+ 2009 ---
a possibly relevant link:
http://specs.openoffice.org/calc/ease-of-use/enhance_number_recognition.sxw

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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] In "standard" data type cs v import should never convert items with one d ot to dates

2009-06-04 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from mfra...@openoffice.org Thu Jun  4 19:29:52 
+ 2009 ---
no-one likes to be called names, that's clear and should be avoided...  I assume
on the other hand that most of us reporting bugs here are working as advocates
of openoffice.org, each of us inside of our respective companies, and we feel
the duty to defend something we sometimes don't like and (as in this case) don't
understand.  

please note that issues like this one have been opened and quickly closed as a
"works for me" since April 2003 (check
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=13929), this is over 6 years
ago.  you maybe can understand some impatience on users' side.

any plan to schedule a solution to this for any specific future release?

thanks a lot for your attention,
Mario Frasca

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[sc-issues] [Issue 33723] Ability to turn off Number Recognition for incomplete dates in Calc

2009-05-08 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from mfra...@openoffice.org Fri May  8 13:25:27 
+ 2009 ---
@regina
but why is this bug report marked as 'ENHANCEMENT'?  I would say that a program
that changes a number like '13.2' into a date and a postcode into a currency
value must not just be enhanced but corrected...

and by the way if this issue is corrected according to the interpretation of
andr55, you can also close issue 87999 (marked as DEFECT).

@egle
what would Lithuanians type that they expect to be interpreted as their
currency?  same question regarding zip codes.  would it be case sensitive? 
aren't there in Lithuania people who -like me- seldom use capital letters?

exponential notation is something that makes me cautious: maybe in the solution
to this series of bugs it would be best to offer switching on/off automatic
interpretation of formatted data per format.  maybe also offer adding/removing
formats (I mean: list of formats has variable length) and allowing the user to
specify the conversion rules.  selecting national settings would activate the
standard list of rules for that nation and no other (built in) rules would be
applied.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 33723] Ability to turn off Number Recognition for incomplete dates in Calc

2009-01-19 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from mfra...@openoffice.org Mon Jan 19 08:31:46 
+ 2009 ---
I tried the same file and the behaviour of my version of open office (OOO 300m9
build 9358) is still very surprising!  I have a Dutch localized system, have
unchecked the "same as local settings (,)" check box for the decimal separator
key (tried also with checking this box, but it makes no difference whatsoever),
have no intention to inform the system that I am using anything else than the
Default Locale (this is something I can't expect my colleagues to buy!) and my
locale dictates this:
number: 123 456 789.00 (space separates thousands, dot is decimal separator key)
short date notation: 2009-01-19 (dash as date separator key)

all right then,

the line to be imported is
ACCOUNTS CHEM RES;0001-4842;24129;16.214;1.736;148;7.3;

in the text import preview this shows as
ACCOUNTS CHEM RES | 0001-4842 | 24.129 | 16.214 | 1.736 | 148 | 7.3

when imported it actually gives
ACCOUNTS CHEM RES | 0001-4842 | 24129 | 16214 | 1736 | 148 | 2009-03-07

why does that dot in '7.3' get interpreted as a date separator?
why does that dot in 24.129 show in the import preview?  is the import preview
using '.' as thousands separator?  how's that?
why do the decimal dots in 16.214 and 1.736 disappear in the imported data?

please note again that in my system locale I have a space for thousands
separator, a dot for decimal separator and a dash for date separator!


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[sc-issues] [Issue 89057] Di3, Ma3, Vr3, all become 2008-05-03 (Dutch system)

2008-05-06 Thread mfrasca
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 Issue #|89057
 Summary|Di3, Ma3, Vr3, all become 2008-05-03 (Dutch system)
   Component|Spreadsheet
 Version|OOo 2.4.0
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|editing
 Assigned to|spreadsheet
 Reported by|mfrasca





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May  6 08:41:26 + 
2008 ---
I have a Dutch version of Windows, on this I have installed the English version
of OpenOffice 2.4.0 and I have set it to English (Eire) to avoid problems with
the '.' being seen as a separator for dates.

what is the reason for which importing or typing
Ma3
Di3
Wo3
Do3

all result into 2008-05-03 ?

I understand that in Dutch Ma-andag = Monday, Di-nsdag = Tuesday, Wo-ensdag =
Wednesday, Do-nderdag = Thursday...  but then, I don't want automatic
interpretation of data and I don't want Dutch to be used by OpenOffice.

moreover, the 3rd of May 2008 was a Saturday (Zaterdag in Dutch) so each of the
above examples are in error.

on my home system (en_DK.UTF-8 locale, English OO) I see the same behaviour for
the longer codes Mon1, Tue1, Wed1, etc...  all incorrectly translated to
2008-05-01 (a Thursday).

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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] In "standard" data type cs v import should never convert items with one d ot to dates

2008-04-23 Thread mfrasca
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What|Old value |New value

  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT   |DEFECT





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 24 05:58:41 + 
2008 ---
regina, would you agree marking this back as a 'defect' rather than
'enhancement'?  'defect', in the sense of removing/modifying a surprising
behaviour, not 'enhancement' in the sense of adding a feature.  friendly
regards.  Mario.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 4579] Special Character Shortcuts

2008-04-23 Thread mfrasca
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What|Old value |New value

  CC|'asrail,gudmund,kamataki,m|'asrail,gudmund,kamataki,m
|anens,markmushakian,pescht|anens,markmushakian,mfrasc
|ra,pmike,redi2go,regina'  |a,peschtra,pmike,redi2go,r
|  |egina'





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[sw-issues] [Issue 4579] Special Character Shortcuts

2008-04-23 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 23 16:28:49 + 
2008 ---
ok, points taken...  but just partially...  About the frustration: I also have
to use windows at office, but then I'm lucky I have to write just in Dutch or
English, where the accents are rarely needed...

the way Compose works is not dependent on the locale settings, as far as I 
know.  

admittedly, there are keys I cannot produce with Compose-key1-key2, like some
Vietnamese vocals topped by two or three accents, or all Arabic characters.

...

Even if I think I understand frustration and the need for a better solution than
something which is only available on Linux and is not at all complete, I still
think this should be solved somewhere in the operating system, not in each of
its client applications.  In my opinion, doing so (offering this option in each
client of the OS) leads to a configuration nightmare.  I don't know if there are
any extensions to Windows (nor to Linux) than enable us to configure our
keyboards in a more complete way, but if I were a windows user (or if I needed
typing Vietnamese), I would look for something like that, I would not ask
openoffice to provide me with something which will only work within openoffice
and which I would miss in abiword, emacs and vi.

until I find such a tool, I would use your macro, very probably.
ciaociao.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 4579] Special Character Shortcuts

2008-04-23 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 23 11:37:30 + 
2008 ---
...  but: is this really a problem within OpenOffice?  or isn't it an operating
system issue?  on Linux, there's no such need: I type Compose ' a and get á,
Compose " U -> Ü, Compose / L -> Ł, Compose b a -> ă, Compose ' r -> ŕ...  you
name them, you learn them...  

other example?  take the small Nokia N810, it's the module of the operating
system taking care of handling keyboard input that allows the user to write
national characters.  keep the 'chr' key pressed and hit the 'a' four times to
get the fourth accent available on the 'a'... a bit clumsy, but it also works in
all programs.

IMHO it really should not be a concern of the application developer to fill in
the blanks left by the operating system...  I think this is a MSWindows issue,
not OpenOffice's.  so if you are affected by this issue, you might consider
running OpenOffice on Linux...  just a hint.  :)

(obviously the 'Compose' on my keyboard is marked 'Caps Lock'!)

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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] In "standard" data type cs v import should never convert items with one d ot to dates

2008-04-15 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 15 11:12:39 + 
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if you are affected by this issue, please vote for it!


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[www-issues] [Issue 1145] Date recognition broken - " feature" should be configurable

2008-04-11 Thread mfrasca
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[sc-issues] [Issue 1145] Date recognition broken - " feature" should be configurable

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[sc-issues] [Issue 88020] Wrong formatting of dates in CSV import when "Column type" field is disa bled

2008-04-11 Thread mfrasca
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[sc-issues] [Issue 25201] csv decimal values importe d as date value

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[sc-issues] [Issue 23945] Currency cell converts 3.7 9 to date

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[sc-issues] [Issue 23328] Spreadsheet converting tex t to dates

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[sc-issues] [Issue 23024] CSV import into spreadshee t application: date values instead of numbers

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[sc-issues] [Issue 22725] On french Win2k, typing a decimal number with dot (.) give a date

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[sc-issues] [Issue 20804] CSV Import: Values >= 1 ar e not recognized as numbers but as date

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[sc-issues] [Issue 13929] unable to get back to numb er after some kind of autoconvert to date

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[sc-issues] [Issue 13509] date type autoformat error s

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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] In "standard" data type cs v import should never convert items with one d ot to dates

2008-04-08 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr  8 14:17:18 + 
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well, this would be a clear enhancement _for us_, but if a user is using DIN
5008 data prior to the 1995 correction, he might have reasons to complain...  as
for Leonard, it's the "never" which worries me a bit.  

I would say "never if the locale does not say date:==dd.mm.", i.e.: "only if
the locale explicitly says so".

maybe "in case on non match with locale, prefer converting to number above
converting to date"

I agree with Leonard when he says that it would be nice if we could specify our
own date format(s) -overruling the locale- and that input data (imported or
typed) is recognized as date if and only if it matches and absolutely not 
otherwise.

if you offered this option, I would define these formats and be happy:
dd/mm
dd/mm/
-mm-dd


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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] OOo calc interprets numers as dates

2008-04-07 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  7 11:58:15 + 
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also check this:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html

where it is stated that the German format dd.mm.yy(yy) has been obsoleted in May
1995.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] OOo calc interprets numers as dates

2008-04-07 Thread mfrasca
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  7 11:52:37 + 
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no, I do not instruct OpenOffice to import my data (see original post) as US
English and the whole point is that I would like not needing that.  the data is
not US English data and my colleagues here see this behaviour in OOo as an extra
non obvious step as compared to M$Excel.

at home I have a linux-powerpc machine, with locale set to 'en_DK.UTF-8' and I
don't experience this defect there.  here at office they gave me a windows
machine (XP), Dutch localized.  I installed the English version of OOo 2.4 (same
as at home).

I don't know where to look, in windows, for the answer to
"What is the local setting of your OS?"
but I assume it's Dutch (context menus in explorer are in Dutch).
the OOo locale is set to Default

Is in "Tools>...>Decimal seperator key"  the option "Same as local setting" 
checked?
setting or unsetting this option does not alter the behaviour "type/import 1.13
and get 13-01-08"

as I see it, my locale settings say that I should type "13-1" to mean 13th of
January of the current year.  the same setting also say that I should type 13,1
if I mean 13+1/10.  so actually the string 13.1 should either be left
uninterpreted as a string (does not respect any known format) or if the program
wants to be kind and helpful, it could be interpreted as a floating point
number, which I believe would be the case in most cases.  interpreting it as a
date is based on the German format for dates, where the Germans use the '.' to
make an ordinal number out of the preceding cardinal number, but the fact is 
that:
1) both day and month should be followed by that dot in the German notation for
dates
2) Dutch, Italian, French, Spanish, are all not German and we all don't
understand why 13.1 should mean January 13th at all...

I notice that the English (Eire) locale comes quite close to what I expect and I
think I can live with this.  but I insist that you reconsider the fallback to
parsing as date (using a sloppy rule from a different locale) as a default
behaviour for unparseable input (which would be parseable as float in the most
widespread locale)


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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] OOo calc interprets numers as dates

2008-04-07 Thread mfrasca
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User mfrasca changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |UNCONFIRMED

  Resolution|WORKSFORME|





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  7 10:35:37 + 
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I understand that it is possible to select each of the columns containing
numbers like 17.03 and 6.12, inform the importer that the column contains "US
English" data, but the problem is:
rule for date: dd-mm-
rule for number: x,d (but on the same system M$Excel uses x.d)
input 17.03 does not respect either.
having this interpreted as a date is surprising...

I tried with this option:
Tools->Options->Language Settings->Languages->Decimal separator key
even if I leave it unchecked, it still does not work for me.

moreover, this behaviour is not only in the importer but also for typed data.

again: really no European would expect 1.13 to mean January 13th...


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[sc-issues] [Issue 87999] OOo calc interprets numers as dates

2008-04-07 Thread mfrasca
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 Issue #|87999
 Summary|OOo calc interprets numers as dates
   Component|Spreadsheet
 Version|OOo 2.4.0
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|open-import
 Assigned to|spreadsheet
 Reported by|mfrasca





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  7 09:47:33 + 
2008 ---
I have a CSV file holding this line:
20-12-2007,22:44:00,007,24.08,0.0,24.85

the types are, respectively:
date, time, string, float, float, float

I cannot tell the csv importer that the last three columns are floats, so I
leave that as 'standard'.  the importer produces these types:
date, time, string, date, float, float

I am aware that this issue is a duplicate of 23024, but I really have a problem
accepting this as a "works for us!"...  it's true that the locale of most
European languages dictate that ',' is the separator for decimal, but it's only
in Germany where the locale dictates that the '.' separates dates!  when scalc
parses a '24.08' and sees it does not conform to 'decimal' (expecting comma) nor
to 'date' (unless in Germany, but then they would write '24.8.', with TWO
points, not just one), why don't you just make it choose for decimal?  I can
assure you that this is the least surprising behaviour for most Europeans!!!

thanks a lot for this otherwise beautiful piece of software, running also on my
linux-powerpc!

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[sw-issues] [Issue 55482] New - tools-options-view-s cale != 100%

2005-10-04 Thread mfrasca
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  Issue #:|55482
  Summary:|tools-options-view-scale != 100%
Component:|Word processor
  Version:|OOo 1.1.4
 Platform:|Macintosh
  URL:|
   OS/Version:|Linux
   Status:|UNCONFIRMED
Status whiteboard:|
 Keywords:|
   Resolution:|
   Issue type:|DEFECT
 Priority:|P3
 Subcomponent:|viewing
  Assigned to:|mru
  Reported by:|mfrasca





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct  4 23:25:40 -0700 
2005 ---
when I set the scale to anything else than 100%, the display does not get 
updated 
correctly.  there are cases where the text does not seem to be updated at all, 
but at 
times the remainder of the line being edited just messes up with random 
patterns.  
I'm working with wmaker.  if I go to an other workspace and come back to the 
one 
containing open office, then the text is updated. 
 
this happened immediately after installation on Debian GNU/Linux (unstable).  I 
now 
switched to scale=100%, even though the characters are a bit too small for my 
taste. 
 
I think I could generate a screen dump, is there a place where I can put it? 
 
thanks for the great piece of software, 
Mario Frasca

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