[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-12-21 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 21 00:56:00 -0800 
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I think porting is the best matching component and it better matches the
people working on this issue.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-11-01 Thread kso
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|g,kendy,mba,pl,st'|ndy,mba,pl,st'

  Status|NEW   |STARTED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov  1 08:26:04 -0800 
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kso-all: hro is currently sick and will not be available before January 2007.
That's why there is currenly no activity from hro here.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 02:32:51 -0700 
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As it looks your patch only works if the bootstraprc does only contain
SYSUSERCONFIG but no other variables. There are a lot of more bootstrap
variables that could be used here. The problem is that to support all possible
variables you have to write a lot of code - or you can link against sal and use
the existing functionality there (perhaps sal could be linked statically?!).

Another missing feature is that you need to evaluate the command line as it
might contain a value for the UserInstallation variable that overwrites the
value from bootstraprc.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 02:47:30 -0700 
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wrt. the bug in the MD5 hash: this is a known issue (though only available in
our inhouse bugtracking system).

We can't fix it without creating problems for other apps (unopkg, setup and any
3rd party software relying on the pipe name to detect a running instance), at
least we should reserve the fix for a major release.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mmeeks
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 03:07:49 -0700 
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mba: thanks for the great feedback:

or you can link against sal and use the existing functionality
 there (perhaps sal could be linked statically?!).

This was my preferred solution when the use of the Pipe  md5 code was mandated,
unfortunately - as soon as you use certain parts of sal (anything string
related) you pull in a huge chunk of code [ I guess the textenc stuff ], and
your 'small' quick-starter baloons from 40k - 2Mb ;-) so it's not feasible.

Indeed - you could question -why- we have 1.6Mb of 'textenc.o' linked into our
(~2Mb) platform library, the vast majority of which is never used in any locale
;-) The vast majority of strings are either UTF-8 or ASCII on my system. [
performance wise we should prolly try to re-factor that out, it'd be interesting
to see how much ISO12345 stuff is used in .de / .european locales too ? - at
least on Unix the world is going UTF-8 fast ].

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 03:31:18 -0700 
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Would linking sal dynamically really hurt ? The exports out of that are c only
and it is comparable in size to the X11 library itself. And then there is gtk
with its 3MB not counting its dependencies. I guess the splash would show up a
little  later, but would it matter whether this is in 25 milliseconds or 75 ?
Personally I'd say, no, the smallest thing a user can notice is ~50 ms anyway.
But perhaps the numbers are different, if so please tell.

Just an idea :-)

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread kendy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 03:35:34 -0700 
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 The problem is that to support all possible
 variables you have to write a lot of code - or you can link against sal and
 use the existing functionality there (perhaps sal could be linked
 statically?!).

I already link to sal statically (see desktop/unx/source/makefile.mk) to get 
the md5 digest.  Unfortunately, using more is not possible - once I use part of 
the code that accesses OUString/rtl_ustring, all the conversion tables get in 
and I end up with 2M stripped binary (I've tried that already) which is not an 
option for a lightweight (quick)starter.

So - I have to copy the functionality I'm afraid.

 Another missing feature is that you need to evaluate the command line as it
 might contain a value for the UserInstallation variable that overwrites the
 value from bootstraprc.

OK.

Anything more I should be aware of, please?

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread kendy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 03:55:24 -0700 
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pl: X11 is in the memory for sure, glib most probably as well (and has just 
libc as a dependency), sal is not in the cold-start case; so it still takes 
some time to load it (though I have no numbers to show, unfortunately).  
Linking it statically would be better, but 2M still too much from my point of 
view...

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread kendy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 03:59:33 -0700 
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(I forgot to emphasize that the current implementation does not link to Gtk+, 
just to glib which is ~500k  dependent just on glibc.)

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 07:37:09 -0700 
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Michael, Kendy, would you consider the option to factor out the conversion
tables? Would be interesting to see why they are it is pulled in when you use
any string functions.

Or should we go for the dynamic linking and try out how much milliseconds we
have to pay for it?

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 07:56:29 -0700 
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A small test on Windows revealed that after removing all textenc functions from
the export and the textenc.lib from the makefile map the following symbols show
up as unresolved:

sal.lib(thread.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_getTextEncodingFromWindowsCodePage referenced in function
_osl_getThreadTextEncoding
sal.lib(nlsupport.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_getTextEncodingFromWindowsCodePage 
sal.lib(ustring.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_destroyTextToUnicodeConverter referenced in function _rtl_string2UString
sal.lib(uri.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_destroyTextToUnicodeConverter
sal.lib(ustring.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_convertTextToUnicode referenced in function _rtl_string2UString
sal.lib(uri.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_convertTextToUnicode
sal.lib(ustring.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_createTextToUnicodeConverter referenced in function _rtl_string2UString
sal.lib(uri.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_createTextToUnicodeConverter
sal.lib(string.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_destroyUnicodeToTextConverter referenced in function
_rtl_impl_convertUStringToString
sal.lib(uri.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_destroyUnicodeToTextConverter
sal.lib(string.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_convertUnicodeToText referenced in function 
_rtl_impl_convertUStringToString
sal.lib(uri.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_convertUnicodeToText
sal.lib(string.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_createUnicodeToTextConverter referenced in function
_rtl_impl_convertUStringToString
sal.lib(uri.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_createUnicodeToTextConverter
sal.lib(string.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol
_rtl_getTextEncodingInfo referenced in function _rtl_impl_convertUStringToString

We could consider to put textenc into a separate library that will be loaded on
demand, at least for these functions. The functions in sal would just be
wrappers around the load-on-demand call.
To keep the sal library compatible we must do the same for the other 15 symbols
from textenc also. Shouldn't be a lot of work and we would never need to load
the tables as long as nobody needs to convert anything than UTF-8.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mba
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  CC|'cd,cmc,hro,joergwartenber|'cd,cmc,hro,joergwartenber
|g,kendy,pl,st'|g,kendy,mba,pl,st'





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ccing me

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mmeeks
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 12:35:06 -0700 
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 A small test on Windows revealed that after removing all textenc functions
 from the export and the textenc.lib from the makefile map the following
 symbols show up as unresolved:

Ah - so tooling is everything ;-) if you poke at
http://go-oo.org/ooo-build/bin/oosize - there is a (Linux only) tool that shows
object size breakdown by source directory: eg. you can look at 'svx' and say:
wow that is a big pile of code, then break it down by source directory and
source file to find the offendors (some of which are quite suprising); anyhow it
shows:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/OpenOffice/ood680-m4/sal/textenc
/opt/OpenOffice/HEAD/bin/oosize --ls
Found module '/data/OpenOffice/ood680-m4/sal'
Size breakdown
context.c   664
tenchelp.c  1036
unichars.c  1064
textcvt.c   1128
converter.c 1144
convertsinglebytetobmpunicode.cxx   1244
converteuctw.c  2140
convertgb18030.c2176
tcvtutf8.c  2176
convertiso2022kr.c  2316
convertiso2022jp.c  2340
convertbig5hkscs.c  2420
tcvtutf7.c  2428
tcvtmb.c2728
convertiso2022cn.c  3472
tcvtbyte.c  3672
tencinfo.c  9108
textenc.cxx 1490820

so - as you see, 1 file is a huge proportion of the problem here; luckily that
file exports only 1 symbol ;-)

ImplTextEncodingData const *
Impl_getTextEncodingData(rtl_TextEncoding nEncoding)

By commenting out the contents of that I get:

1797832 ../../unxlngi6.pro.before/lib/libuno_sal.so
 273544  libuno_sal.so # after

So - AFAICS this is really the obvious place to cut to loose 85% of the code at
a single stroke ;-) [ of course, we'd prolly need to re-instate / in-line at
least some of the common ASCII / common Win32 code-page / UTF8 stuff ] but it
should be fairly trivial to save a nice whack of code there in the common case.
I'm even interested enough to have a go myself now ;-)

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-06 Thread mmeeks
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct  6 13:00:16 -0700 
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cloned grist of the sal shrink to i#70166#

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-10-03 Thread kendy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct  3 05:58:26 -0700 
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hro, cd: The deadlines for 2.1 are approaching - any chance to have a look at 
the recent version of the patches  approve them, please? ;-)  I can do the 
CWS, etc. if you do not have a suitable one.

Thank you!

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-08-22 Thread kendy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 22 07:46:11 -0700 
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I've updated the patches to create exactly the same OSL pipe as OOo currently 
does (the md5 one).  The patches are here:

http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-desktop-unx-source.diff
http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-desktop-unx-splash.diff
http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-desktop.diff
http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-scp2.diff

The description is above in comment from kendy Fri Aug 4 07:57:20 -0700 2006.

BTW, is that bug or feature that the md5 sum is not really a md5 sum if there 
are numbers  0x10 in the OSL pipe name?  I mean eg. aa0bcc is shortened to 
aabcc...

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-08-04 Thread kendy
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What|Old value |New value

 Summary|Linux: quick 2nd start|Linux: External splash / q
|  |uick 2nd start

Target milestone|OOo 2.0.4 |OOo 2.x





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug  4 07:57:20 -0700 
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OK - so I updated the patches to implement 
com.sun.star.office.PipeSplashScreen service - it is a SplashScreen that does 
not render any output, just sends the progress values back to the external 
splash process that started OOo.  This service is used just in case 
-splash-pipe= argument is present.  The sources:

http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-desktop-unx-source.diff:
Implements the tiny executable (ooqstart) that draws the splash screen, creates 
the pipe and starts OOo.

http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-desktop-unx-splash.diff:
Implementation of the PipeSplashScreen service.

http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-desktop.diff:
Build bits, choose PipeSplashScreen when -splash-pipe=XYZ is present, make the 
progress bar going more smoothly, fix Set/GetStringParam(), ...

http://www.go-oo.org/patches/src680/unxsplash-scp2.diff:
Install bits.

I can also have a look at the second problem - if it stops the integration.  
Does it?

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-08-04 Thread cd
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug  4 08:40:36 -0700 
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cd-kendy: I am sorry, but I am very busy with OOo 2.0.4 show stoppers.
The pipe service is an important step for a platform independent solution for an
external startup executable. I know that you are only interested into a Unix
solution, but I think we should have a solution ready for all platforms
(including Windows). CWS splashperform has a Windows prototype which also needs
a way to communicate with the splash executable.

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-08-04 Thread mmeeks
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug  4 08:59:42 -0700 
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 I know that you are only interested into a Unix solution, but I think we
 should have a solution ready for all platforms (including Windows).

I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that we should
block platform specific unix-only improvements until Win32 versions can be
created ? [ that would be an incredible view IMHO ].

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[framework-issues] [Issue 60696] Linux: External splash / q uick 2nd start

2006-08-04 Thread kendy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug  4 09:47:39 -0700 
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cd: I am sorry, but nonavailability of the Win32 implementation is not an 
argument ;-)  Win32 system file picker was implemented far before there was one 
for Gnome/KDE; it would be ridiculous to block it on availability of them...

From what I see in CWS splashperform, there's no communication between the 
splash process  OOo there yet, right?  I'm quite sure the idea of 
PipeSplashScreen could be re-used even there - as the -splash-pipe= you can use 
whatever works on Win32 (I guess it has something like the unx pipes?)  
implement an own PipeSplashScreen service for Win32.  Or the switch can be 
simply renamed later if you need something other than a pipe (eg. to 
-splash-communication= together with renaming the service to 
ExternalSplashScreen).  It is just an internal parameter, and the user is not 
supposed to even know about its existence anyway.

And - of course I do not expect this to get into 2.0.4, we are behind a 
feature-freeze - but it would be really great to see it in early 2.0.5, ASAP 
after branching for OOD680 - so that we had more testers after the recent 
changes.  (We have already quite lot of them for the previous implementation - 
all the SUSE 10.1  SLED 10 users :-) )

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