[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-07 Thread iha
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  Status|NEW   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |WONTFIX





--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Mon Dec  7 16:06:22 + 
2009 ---
I am sorry to say that this will not be fixed as aw says he cannot fix this
without loss of functionality.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-07 Thread iha
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--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Mon Dec  7 16:06:59 + 
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closing issue as it cannot be fixed

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-01 Thread iha
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--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Tue Dec  1 08:47:43 + 
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I didn't need to install any extension. Just use the File-Export as PDF.
As far as I know the extension is for PDF Import - what is not necessary to
reproduce the problem.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-01 Thread jbfaure
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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-01 Thread aw
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--- Additional comments from a...@openoffice.org Tue Dec  1 14:33:02 + 
2009 ---
AW: Exported using aw078 (on DEV300 m64) and there are no black rectangles as in
the attachment, so the error is not a wrong export, but just the Dialog
informing the user that transparencies were solved (???).

When the user adds a 3D shape he adds a transparent object. Before AA it was
more in the sense of a 'masked' object since the BitmapEx with the rendered 3D
scene (as long as no transparent 3D objects were used) was more a mask. With
AntiAliasing, it HAS to be a really transparent object, since the AntiLiasing
between 3D object bounds and the background can only be done by using an
AlphaMask in the used BitmapEx. I do not think that AntiAliasing should be
removed again to solve this (even then the problem occurs when using transparent
3D objects).

Thus: When the user adds 3D shapes, he adds a transparent object.

This is not different for charts. They may create their own background, but
that's a 2D object behind the 3D scene. Latest when a transparent 3D obect s
used in a 3D chart the problem will reoccur.

So, what should be done here at all ?!?

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-01 Thread sos
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--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Tue Dec  1 14:56:40 + 
2009 ---
For years we used MSexel to produce our charts. You (the OOchart team) made big 
efforts to make OO-charts a alternative for ExelCharts. I convinced our 
compagny to move to OO, but we still need to produce our charts in a 
professional printing-postscript envoriment where Tranparencies are forbidden. 
We have no choise and on the otherhand it makes all the work you puted in 3D 
useless for all professional users who neeeds to have printouts in aPostscript 
envoriment. 
Please have a look on how they did it in Ms-exel to produce 3D charts without 
Transparencies. 
Make it at least a option to have the choise
Thanks

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-01 Thread aw
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--- Additional comments from a...@openoffice.org Tue Dec  1 16:09:39 + 
2009 ---
AW-sos: I see nothing what keeps You from producing your charts in a 
professional printing-postscript envoriment where Tranparencies are forbidden.
This is exactly what the 'automatic mix' of transparent objects in the PDF
export does. It just warns You in case something happened what reduced Your 
quality.
This is not the case here as long as there is no graphic (e.g. text) 'behind'
the chart which would be rendered as bitmap information. This does not reduce
the quality since with non-transparent charts nothing 'behind' the charts could
be visible anyways (also no page color, so our solution is even better when
looking at th example document).
The difference to our big competitor is that they use only 'fake' 3D, not real
3D like us. The advantage is that they have (many, many, but only) 2D objects.
The disadvantage is that it's no real 3D, so they get no real 3D lighting (only
one light possible, lighting 'faked' by gradients) and cannot have 3D objects
which interpenetrate themselves (not used in charts, but in 3D scenes).
All in all the warning is correct (there is a 3D object), but the solution
produced in the PDF is correct, too. HTH!

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-12-01 Thread iha
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--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Tue Dec  1 16:33:55 + 
2009 ---
IHA-SOS: As I understood AW our real 3D scenes cannot be created without
transparent backgrounds without a loss of functionality.
On the other hand a user can create the wanted PDF without transparency by
choosing the option PDF/A-1a and simply ignoring the warning about the removed
transparencies within the upcoming version OOo 3.2. I agree that this issue was
a big problem in OOo 3.1 where the behavior is different, but isn't the
functionality provided in OOo 3.2 sufficient?


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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread iha
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 Issue #|107319
 Summary|3D scenes create transparent objects which disturb dur
|ing PDF export
   Component|Drawing
 Version|OOO320m6
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|NEW
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|ui
 Assigned to|aw
 Reported by|iha





--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 11:47:56 + 
2009 ---
When creating a 3D scene there is automatically added a transparent rectangle in
the background. This transparency leads to problems when exporting to PDF with
option PDF/A-1a. In version OOo 3.1.1 the transparency was converted to a black
area. This problem is solved with ooo320m6 where the background color is used
instead.
But still a warning message comes up during export that irritates the user.
Maybe a rectangle without filling could be used instead of the transparent one?
I'll attach an example document to reproduce the problem. It contains different
types of 3D scenes - a chart, an extruded custom shape and a 3D ellipse shape.
All have the same problem.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread iha
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--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 11:49:59 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=66409)
example to reproduce the problem on PDF export


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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread iha
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--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 11:52:07 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=66410)
PDF export from OOo 3.1.1 showing the black rectangles to see that all 3D 
scenes have the same problem - not only the chart


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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread kla
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--- Additional comments from k...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 13:33:45 + 
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*** Issue 107268 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread aw
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--- Additional comments from a...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 16:42:16 + 
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AW: There is no transparent rectangle in the background, a 3D scene is rendered
as BitmapEx which is by definition a transparent object. This has not changed
with primitives (or in the last years) and was always the case. This is how e.g.
a 3D sphere does not overlap as a big rectangle objects behind the scene (what
would be an error).

I also miss how to export to PDF as PDF/A-1a, i could not find that option in
the first try. Thus, i have some questions:

(1) How is a PDF exported as 'PDF/A-1a'?
(2) What is intended/what is the error occurring with this task?

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread iha
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--- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 16:55:34 + 
2009 ---
 (1) How is a PDF exported as 'PDF/A-1a'?
Click Menu-File-Export as PDF
In the dialog check the option 'PDF/A-1a'
 (2) What is intended/what is the error occurring with this task?
After clicking export and clicking save in the file dialog there pops up an
error dialog that reports a problem caused by a transparent object.
There should not be such an error dialog because the user has not added any
transparent objects to his document.

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 107319] 3D scenes create transpar ent objects which disturb during PDF export

2009-11-30 Thread sos
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--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 30 18:16:03 + 
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sos - aw
you first need to install the SunPDF extension and the use Export as PDF , 
not the PDF button in the menubalk

PFA/A-1a is a PrintIndustry standard who forbid the uses of transparencies 
because most Postscript versions do not support Transparency 

So the users must a least have the choise to have no Transparencies  in a 
chart. 
BTW: MS exel 3Dcharts do not have any transparencies



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