[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2011-01-08 Thread harshula
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2011-01-06 Thread harshula
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--- Additional comments from harsh...@openoffice.org Fri Jan  7 02:59:46 
+ 2011 ---
On GNU/Linux Open Office uses ICU for text layout. If there's a problem with
OpenType features, look at the ICU code.

cya,
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2010-11-04 Thread hdu
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2010-08-05 Thread stevanwhite
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--- Additional comments from stevanwh...@openoffice.org Thu Aug  5 12:33:42 
+ 2010 ---
yaoziyuan, you are right.  This has to do with the OO rendering engine.

It makes OO look very bad.  Since OO is so important to the free software
community, it makes the whole community look bad.

You mentioned the rendering engines used by KDE4 and Gnome.  But also Windows
Vista+ and the Mac OS have good support for these features.

The effect is, any graphical web browser, and much simpler word processors such
as KWord, and even the lowliest text processor on these systems renders mark
placement fairly well (never mind MS Word).  But not OpenOffice.

OpenOffice Writer is primarily about text display of high quality.  Without
that, all the fancy bells and whistles are for the garbage.  Anything else you
can do with it, could be done better with some other tool.

Crucial features that still seem to be absent in OO 
   'ccmp' ligature composition (as opposed to the ccmp decomposition table)
   'mark'
   'mkmk'
certainly there are others.

Scripts that would use these features (and may be illegible without them)
include: Hebrew, Arabic, Thai, Vietnamese, but there are many more.

I don't know if OO supports 'abvm' and 'blwm', but these are used a lot with
Indic scripts, as well as Tibetan.

But mark positioning is used for fine placement in general for languages that
use marks.  And that includes the *majority* of European languages.  It makes
the difference between text being very ugly, and looking great.

See for example:
http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/opentype/index_table_formats2.html

This issue makes the product look stupid and useless for a large fraction of
potential users in the world, yet since this report was opened in 2007, it has
been marked priority P3 "Of interest, but not planned or expected in this
release" (and many related reports preceded it.)

Colleagues, let's get our priorities straight.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2010-05-05 Thread yaoziyuan
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--- Additional comments from yaoziy...@openoffice.org Thu May  6 01:23:39 
+ 2010 ---
IMO, this issue is related to OpenOffice's text rendering engine (Graphite).
Firefox and GTK+ apps use another text rendering engine Pango which is not
affected, and KDE/Qt apps use Qt which is OK too.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2010-05-05 Thread es
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--- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May  5 23:56:23 + 
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*** Issue 111378 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2010-05-05 Thread es
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--- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May  5 23:55:33 + 
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*** Issue 110477 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2010-03-18 Thread cloph
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--- Additional comments from cl...@openoffice.org Thu Mar 18 16:38:40 + 
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*** Issue 96123 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2008-12-16 Thread goranrakic
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--- Additional comments from goranra...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 15:48:29 
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"locl" is required for Serbian. There is an example of this on pango.org:
http://www.pango.org/ScriptGallery?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=OpenTypeLanguage.png


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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2008-07-25 Thread hdu
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-12-06 Thread hdu
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-11-02 Thread nmailhot
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-10-05 Thread benjamin_schallar
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-08-07 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  7 14:43:24 + 
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Setting a target.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-07-16 Thread dbachmann
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 16 13:16:00 + 
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@simos, I am afraid I am not familiar enough with oo.o internals to know "which
files should be touched". This appears to be a platform-dependent issue. As
moyogo notes (June 22), the required features apparently work fine for Windows
with a recent Uniscribe, but not on X11 (Linux / OS X), although X11 seems well
capable of supporting OTF, as shown by gedit or yudit etc. Consequently, this
issue  should probably be assigned to an X11 wizard.

for the typographers' view see also http://www.typophile.com/node/17517
http://typophile.com/node/28539


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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-07-16 Thread hdu
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-28 Thread simos
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 28 13:03:51 + 
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@dbachmann: Do you think it would be good to get extra developers on this? Is
there some description of what files need to be touched and what should be 
added?

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-28 Thread djart
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 28 12:52:01 + 
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Excuse me, I cannot understand your logic sometimes. Since when do you follow
exactly what MS Word is doing ?? It's ok to keep an eye on it for important
features that are still missing from OO and for ideas, but sometimes I'm
struggling to decide the impression of whether you are eventually INDEED trying
to produce a better product than M$ Office or not.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-28 Thread dbachmann
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 28 12:24:09 + 
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resolution of this issue is crucial for making oo.o usable for writing
linguistic literature. MS Word doesn't support this either, so it isn't all that
important for "market share" at present, but this is a severe problem for anyone
working with orthographies not addressed by "precomposed" legacy encodings
adopted into Unicode.



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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-23 Thread iorsh
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-23 Thread iorsh
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 23 13:05:49 + 
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I'm sorry - I was wrong with my earlier comment. TrueType fonts with Hebrew
'mark'/'ccmp' features work fine.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-22 Thread moyogo
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 22 13:21:34 + 
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On Windows, with a recent Uniscribe, these features are enabled by default and 
are handled properly.
As you can see in the attachment 46182 and attachment 46183, Doulos SIL and 
Segoe UI have those 
features properly used in OpenOffice in Windows. The first g-with-a-hook even 
has the marks at the 
right places since Uniscribe reorders the characters before shaping.

This means that making a document on Windows will be correct, but not if made 
on Linux.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-22 Thread moyogo
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 22 13:16:07 + 
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Created an attachment (id=46183)
output of sample text in OOo with SegoeUI on Windows


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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-22 Thread moyogo
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Created an attachment (id=46182)
ouput of sample text in OOo with Doulos SIL on Windows


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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-22 Thread munzirtaha
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-22 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 22 07:07:52 + 
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> Hebrew text needs 'ccmp' and 'mark' to display diacritical marks properly.

@iorsh: are you aware of any Hebrew script that is improperly handled because 
these tables don't work?
If yes: please write a seperate issue (because Hebrew already gets CTL 
processing, whereas this issue is 
about text that didn't get CTL-processing though it might need it). Then please 
assign the new Hebrew 
issue to me and cc mreimer and ayaninger...

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread iorsh
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread iorsh
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 20:06:28 + 
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This issue is not restricted to Latin texts. Hebrew text needs 'ccmp' and 'mark'
to display diacritical marks properly. Perhaps Arabic needs these too, and
possibly some more, as it more complicated than Hebrew.

A free Hebrew font with these features can be found at
http://culmus.sourceforge.net/devel/FrankOT.tar.gz

This issue is not like 'making text prettier'. Without these features diacritics
are absolutely unusable.

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 17:53:15 + 
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btw: this should be named "some Standard scripts text needs CTL processing"

Any language that doesn't benefit from legacy encodings with precomposed
characters in Unicode is affected by this bug. This includes many African
languages or other minority languages, Malagasy is an example in NLC. The 'locl'
language specific feature affect languages like Serbian and Macedonian.

In theory any language using marks could be affected, if composed forms are used
instead of the legacy precomposed forms. For example in French "École" and
"École" will no be rendered the same way in OO when they should.



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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread simos
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 14:08:14 + 
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Thank you for the nice samples!

Especially the problem with the latest versions of the common Dejavue font is 
important for selecting the 
appropriate priority. To get an even better overview: which languages are most 
impacted by the problem? 
Do you happen to know if these languages are already represented in the OOo NLC 
(http://native-
lang.openoffice.org/)?

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 12:38:26 + 
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http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/46139/text.utf8
- the first line just needs 'mark' to position the mark below correctly -
- the second line needs 'mark' for marks above, and 'ccmp' to decompose i and j
when followed by combining mark above
- the third line shows ligatures, not obligatory but the user should be able to
enable them
- the fourth line needs 'mark' for marks, 'ccmp' for i, and 'mkmk' to stack the
marks. You’ll notice there’s something wrong with the first g-with-a-hook, the
marks are not in a Unicode canonical order, to handle this properly the shaper
should normalize base+marks before shaping.
- the fifth, mark stacking below
- the sixth line should have ligature tie at different high but DejaVu and
Doulos SIL don’t do that. Junicode handles this with the 'kern' feature.

DejaVu fonts are installed by default on many Linux systems, the latest (MS
Office, Vista) Tahoma, Arial, and Times New Roman have similar feature for
simple diacritics placement.
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net

Doulos SIL is a font for linguistics or languages using stacked diacritics
http://scripts.sil.org/DoulosSILfont

Junicode is a medievalist font with good support for stacked diacritics.
http://junicode.sourceforge.net/

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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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Created an attachment (id=46143)
Wrong output of sample text with DejaVu Sans in OO Write


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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread moyogo
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread nmailhot
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread hdu
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[gsl-issues] [Issue 78749] some Latin text needs CTL processing

2007-06-21 Thread hdu
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 Issue #|78749
 Summary|some Latin text needs CTL processing
   Component|gsl
 Version|OOo 2.2.1
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|NEW
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|code
 Assigned to|hdu
 Reported by|hdu





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 11:47:55 + 
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Issue 16032 (support OpenType features) is way too broad, so this issue has 
been created to split one 
specific aspect of: some Latin text needs to be treated as complex text.

@fme: what problems do you see if the script detector handled some scripts that 
are currently detected as 
simple text as complex (e.g. "i_ogonek+combining_accent")? Wouldn't this cause 
quite some trouble in the 
Latin/CJK/CTL font selection... do you see a way out of this?

@moyogo/ruedin: our quality assurance team prefers concrete examples 
(docs,screenshots,...) of what 
does not work now, so they can assess the priority of the problem and check the 
success of a fix...

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