[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-05-08 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Fri May  8 13:09:53 + 
2009 ---
I think these are all valid concerns. But the original item was fixed and 
verified, so the change got 
integrated and this issue is closed.

Is it possible to separate the remaining individual concerns as cleanly as 
possible and file new individual 
issues for each of them?

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-05-08 Thread aminm
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--- Additional comments from am...@openoffice.org Fri May  8 12:50:11 + 
2009 ---
LRM or RLM do not normally override number presentation as per unicode bidi
algorithm description at http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/. However, explicit
directional embeddings or overrides could affect number presentations -
remember, numbers are weak characters in the bidi algorithm.
If you have a look at the section on resolving weak characters, the so called
"context" setting comes into play in how Arabic Numbers and European Numbers are
changed to fit the text run. 
The spec, however, allows implementations to reset numbers to be all Arabic or
all European (Section 4.3). Open Office for windows so far has ignored the
number formatting behaviour in the standard. With all due respect, I think there
is no need to invent a new spec but to use the standard itself as the 
reference. 

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-05-08 Thread aminm
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--- Additional comments from am...@openoffice.org Fri May  8 12:46:21 + 
2009 ---
LRM or RLM do not normally override number presentation as per unicode bidi
algorithm description at http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/. However, explicit
directional embeddings or overrides could affect number presentations -
remember, numbers are weak characters in the bidi algorithm.
If you have a look at the section on resolving weak characters, the so called
"context" setting comes into play in how Arabic Numbers and European Numbers are
changed to fit the text run. 
The spec, however, allows implementations to reset numbers to be all Arabic or
all European (Section 4.3). Open Office for windows so far has ignored the
number formatting behaviour in the standard. With all due respect, I think there
is no need to invent a new spec but to use the standard itself as the 
reference. 

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-04-27 Thread hennerdrewes
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--- Additional comments from hennerdre...@openoffice.org Mon Apr 27 
12:46:32 + 2009 ---
@sba: I am not sure, I completely understood belowsky's comment.

But it is actually possible to override the default "context" behaviour by
inserting LRMs or RLMs before digits. Maybe this little trick should be
described in some documentation?

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-04-27 Thread sba
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  Status|VERIFIED  |CLOSED





--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Mon Apr 27 11:20:43 + 
2009 ---
SBA->belowski: See FMEs note from Sep, 18, 2008 about IME detection - This is
what you seem to expect in the  upper example of your PDF attachment.

But there is "no context" around the digits. So the Western (Arab) digit within
EN text and Hindi digit within arabic text string are OK. In the lower example
you see the new "context option" working, digits follow the text around them.

Feel free to re-read the spec:
http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/ctl/TextNumeralsContextMode-Spec.odt
Capter 1.2 describes the behavior

OK in OOO310_m10. Closed.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-04-09 Thread belowsky
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--- Additional comments from below...@openoffice.org Thu Apr  9 13:03:40 
+ 2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=61490)
show case


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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-04-09 Thread belowsky
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--- Additional comments from below...@openoffice.org Thu Apr  9 12:50:28 
+ 2009 ---
Using OOo v3.1 RC:
If you write words in English then switch to Arabic and write only numerals,
then switch back to English and write words, you will find that the numeral you
entered are Arabic and not Indian.
In order for context to work correctly, the numbers have to be proceeded by
words from the same context.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-03-04 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Wed Mar  4 13:26:18 + 
2009 ---
*** Issue 99852 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-23 Thread h15n
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 23 19:58:36 + 
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@hdu: Please see issue 98418 that I've opened.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-23 Thread hdu
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User hdu changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'h15n,hennerdrewes,khirano|'fme,h15n,hdu,hennerdrewes
|,munzirtaha,pjanik'   |,khirano,munzirtaha,pjanik
|  |'





--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 23 14:44:56 + 
2009 ---
@h15n: thanks for testing the fix in DEV300_m39. The other observations are 
very important too, but they 
deserve different issues, so this resolved resolved issue doesn't get diluted. 
HennerDrews already opened issue 98399 for the Farsi numerals. Would you open 
one for remaining problem with wrong numerals in 
footnotes and attach you sample document there?

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-23 Thread hennerdrewes
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--- Additional comments from hennerdre...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 23 
13:23:37 + 2009 ---
farsi problem: posted patch in issue 98399

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-22 Thread h15n
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 16:10:43 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=59602)
Problem with footnote numerals in Arabic language


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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-22 Thread h15n
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 15:59:04 + 
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Even when using Arabic language for character's CTL language, footnotes do not
obey the rule of the context numerals. They are shown as numerals used in
English text.
I guess this problem may exist in some other automatic numbers rather than
footnotes.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-22 Thread h15n
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 10:45:27 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=59590)
Problem with numerals for Farsi language


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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2009-01-22 Thread h15n
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 10:40:19 + 
2009 ---
I've tested with DEV300m39 (build:9378) on Windows XP. Context option is there,
but only works when applying Arabic language to characters. When using Farsi for
character attributes, it does not use Hindi numerals. Please note that Farsi
uses slightly different set of numerals from Arabic language, as stated by 
aminm.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-12-10 Thread sba
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |VERIFIED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 10 09:14:32 + 
2008 ---
Verified in CWS kashidafix.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-11-27 Thread fme
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 Assigned to|fme   |sba





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 27 10:50:13 + 
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Ready for QA.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-09-29 Thread fme
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User fme changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 URL|  |http://specs.openoffice.or
|  |g/appwide/ctl/TextNumerals
|  |ContextMode-Spec.odt

  Status|NEW   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |FIXED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 29 12:28:51 + 
2008 ---
Spec available here:

http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/ctl/TextNumeralsContextMode-Spec.odt

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-09-23 Thread khirano
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What|Old value |New value

  CC|'h15n,hennerdrewes,munzirt|'h15n,hennerdrewes,khirano
|aha,pjanik'   |,munzirtaha,pjanik'





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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-09-23 Thread fme
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User fme changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|mba   |fme

  Status|STARTED   |NEW





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 23 12:30:02 + 
2008 ---
I take over.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-09-19 Thread fme
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 19 13:02:43 + 
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[...] Instead we evaluate the context of the digits to determine whether they
are in a Western or CTL context. This is covered by issue 89825. [...]

One more remark: Issue 89825 basically classifies numbers which are embedded
into a RTL run as scripttype = CTL. So only for these cases, the CTL language of
the numbers can be evaluated to find the right digits. A 'full' implementation
would require to either perform an expensive post processing of the text in the
application code or to change the script type of a couple of Ascii characters in
i18n from Western to Weak.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-09-18 Thread fme
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 18 11:24:51 + 
2008 ---
I suggest to follow hennerdrewes solution. A context mode based on the current
IME is not possible (at least not with a reasonable amount of effort) due to the
following reasons:

1. This would be a Windows only solution, since for *nix we cannot access the
IME information and 
2. We either would have to store the IME information in the file format or we
would have to do a right-after-typing conversion of the unicode characters
according the the current IME.

Let me sum up what we intend to do for this issue: Ascii digits are not longer
automatically associated with the currently active Western language. Instead we
evaluate the context of the digits to determine whether they are in a Western or
CTL context. This is covered by issue 89825. Then for formatting/painting of
digits, the respecitve Western or CTL language will be passed to vcl which then
chooses the glyphs according to that language if the 'Context' mode is set.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-07-21 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 21 09:16:34 + 
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Thanks for the hint, I will discuss it with fme

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-07-17 Thread hennerdrewes
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 17 19:11:50 + 
2008 ---
Please note the following prerequisite, if you want to implement the discussed
"Context" option for digit display.

I posted a patch in issue 89825, which fixes the language for numbers in CTL
context. Numerals in writer are until now always classified as LATIN script,
which makes it very hard to implement a context option. With this patch, numbers
following RTL runs will get the correct CTL script, and the numbers get the
correct language attribute (e.g. Arabic).

So, if we have a future SvtCTLOptions::NUMERALS_CONTEXT active, we can simply
pass the current language to OutputDevice::SetDigitLanguage() in
SwTxtSizeInfo::CtorInitTxtSizeInfo().



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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-07-17 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 17 15:02:29 + 
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taking over for now
requirements need to be discussed

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-07-09 Thread bh
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|bh|requirements





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul  9 09:46:27 + 
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Reassigned to requirements.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-07-09 Thread ja
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What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|not determined|OOo 3.1





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul  9 09:36:59 + 
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Retarget issue to 3.1

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-05-14 Thread h15n
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  CC|'hennerdrewes,munzirtaha,p|'h15n,hennerdrewes,munzirt
|janik'|aha,pjanik'





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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2008-04-22 Thread hennerdrewes
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  CC|'munzirtaha,pjanik'   |'hennerdrewes,munzirtaha,p
|  |janik'





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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2007-07-10 Thread mh
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OtherIssuesDependingOnTh|  |79434
  is|  |





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[l10n-issues] [Issue 22396] Can't Use both Hindi and A rabic Numerals

2007-07-01 Thread munzirtaha
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  OS/Version|All   |Windows, all





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jul  1 08:20:50 + 
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Fixed the "OS: " to say "Windows, all".

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