[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-02-09 Thread fst
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|VERIFIED  |CLOSED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb  9 10:40:11 + 
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found fixed on master OOFm6 using Linux, Solaris and Windows build

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-25 Thread fst
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |VERIFIED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 25 03:21:58 -0800 
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found fixed on cws i18n29

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-24 Thread er
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 Assigned to|er|fst





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 24 06:48:15 -0800 
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Reassigning to QA for verification.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-17 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 17 08:48:59 -0800 
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Thanks, Eike, I'll submit this to CLDR (on my to-do list already).

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-17 Thread er
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What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|OOo 2.x   |OOo 2.2





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 17 04:22:51 -0800 
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Retarget to OOo2.2

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-17 Thread er
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|STARTED   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |FIXED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 17 04:10:12 -0800 
2007 ---
In CWS i18n29
i18npool/source/localedata/data/pl_PL.xml  1.15.72.1

Replaced abbreviated month names with Roman numerals.
Removed comma from all , format codes.
Removed dot in D. MMM format codes.
Replaced p. and pp. with s. and ss. in FollowPageWord.

Changed DateSeparator to dot.
Replaced the duplicated YY-MM-DD and -MM-DD format codes (20,21) with
D.MM.YY respectively D.MM. and made D.MM. the default medium format.
Note that the ISO format codes are still available and can be parsed anyway.

Marcin, please consider getting necessary changes into CLDR using the survey
tool, see http://www.unicode.org/cldr/wiki?SurveyToolHelp
OOo tries to align to CLDR as much as possible and will do semi-automatic
updates in the future and eliminating differences would help.

Thanks
  Eike

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-10 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 10 10:28:16 -0800 
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Eike,

yes, there is a problem with the existing data. AFAIK, many programs output dots
instead of commas as decimal separators in Poland, and improving the programs
would mean that parsing the values becomes impossible. So there is a problem.

However, I still have to see a document where the format 1 sty 2006 is being
used, and then parsed. The format is very frequent in mail program headers (not
of Polish origin, but coming from Redmond ;) ), but not in the spreadsheet or
textual data. More problems could be with the change from the default ISO to the
dd.mm., as the ISO format is actually used. In my opinion, it should be
still available but not default (at least not default in the Writer, as Writer
doesn't really parse textual data as Calc can).

Some empirical justification: the query for "Gru" in the biggest Polish corpus
(www.korpus.pl) gives no results, whereas the query for "XII" gives more than
1000 results (that's the upper limit of hits in the corpus software), and all
are dates. I tried other month abbreviations, none found. Nobody uses them in
writing (especially in hand-writing).

Note that the dates are written not as 2-V-2005 but simply 2 V 2006 (no 
hyphens).

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-10 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 10 09:38:30 -0800 
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Milek,
Are you sure the Roman numerals should _replace_ the abbreviated month names?
Are abbreviated month names not used in Polish? The only references I found
regarding Roman numerals for months in Polish is that a numeric date may be
written as 2-V-1999 to avoid confusion, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals#Modern_non-English_speaking_usage

Replacing the abbreviated month names would result in not being able anymore to
parse them during input / file data read, so if Roman numerals are additionally
used they should not replace the abbreviated names.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2007-01-04 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan  4 06:44:01 -0800 
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Just for completeness: the "dashes issue" added to CWS i18n28 was issue 72408.
This issue here now is about items 1-4 of the original list above.


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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2006-12-08 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  8 08:34:57 -0800 
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Yes, I'm referring to 64400. That's only about dashes, and could be extended
into apostrophes, as well (in the future). This shouldn't break anything, I
guess, so I'm filing a new issue.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2006-12-08 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  8 08:17:04 -0800 
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For the dashes I assume you're referring issue 64400. Note the fix for that
issue is implemented in CWS i18n28, so the functionality isn't available yet in
master builds. However, if it's only about simply forwarding dashes to the
spellchecker we could file a separate issue and add it to that CWS to fix there.
Must be real quick though since the CWS is supposed to go into QA soon.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2006-12-08 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  8 04:53:36 -0800 
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Hi Eike,

you're right, single quotation marks should be left as is. I wrongly thought
these are double quotation marks inside another pair of double quotation marks.

Single quotation marks are only used in dictionaries inside definitions, and
logicians complain that this usage is wrong, and me, as one of them, must have
tried to subconsciously delete them ;)

As for the page numbers, yes, that's true, I forgot to put it here.

BTW, do you know if we could define breakiterator part now? According to khong,
it's now possible to define that dashes are forwarded to the spelling in locale
data setting.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2006-12-08 Thread er
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User er changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'er'  |''

  Ever confirmed|  |1

  Status|UNCONFIRMED   |STARTED

Platform|Other |All

Target milestone|---   |OOo 2.x





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  8 04:39:03 -0800 
2006 ---
Hi Marcin,

> 5) The quotation start (‘) and quotation end (’) is wrong. It should be » and 
> «.

Note that we have two pairs of quotation marks, single and double. You
propose to replace the single quotation marks ‘ (U+2018) and ’ (U+2019)
with » (U+00BB) and « (U+00AB), which in fact are double quotation
marks, additionally to the already used double quotation marks
„ (U+201E) and ” (U+201D). This would leave the Polish locale without
single quotation marks, is that really intended?

At another place you already mentioned that the FollowPageWord should be
s. and ss. instead of p. and pp.  I assume this still holds?

  Eike


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[l10n-issues] [Issue 72300] Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish

2006-12-05 Thread milek_pl
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 Issue #|72300
 Summary|Wrong default date formats and locale date for Polish
   Component|l10n
 Version|OOo 2.1
Platform|Other
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|localedata
 Assigned to|er
 Reported by|milek_pl





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec  5 08:47:33 -0800 
2006 ---
1) The locale data for Polish is not sufficiently localized. The short month
names, contrary to what is specified in CLDR, should be made the same as in
Hungarian version, i.e., Roman numerals.

2) The commas in dates should not be used after month names (, YY is wrong).

3) The dot after the day number (D.  , e.g., in "31. styczeń 1999") is a
serious spelling error. It should be without the dot.

4) The standard Polish spelling date format D.MM. should be at least
available, if not default.

5) The quotation start (‘) and quotation end (’) is wrong. It should be » and «.

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