[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-07-21 Thread kohei
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 21 17:25:14 + 
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Created an attachment (id=55259)
formula convention (syntax) option page


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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-07-21 Thread kohei
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 21 17:21:03 + 
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I'm starting to work on writing a spec for this feature.  Because this is a
little more than just implementing a R1C1 address convention, it needs to cover
broader range of topics.  So, I'll try to get it spec'ed out on the wiki page
with your submitted spec as the starting point.  I hope you don't mind me
switching to a wiki spec because that makes it easier for to update it.

Also, I'd like some input on the proposed UI.  I will attach a screenshot of the
current UI implementation in go-oo to see if anything needs to be changed before
upstreaming it.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-07-21 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 21 10:25:04 + 
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Any news?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-03-03 Thread kohei
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar  3 14:34:31 + 
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@kpalagin: sorry I have not started it yet.  I'm on several other high-prio
issues at the moment.  I'll keep you informed.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-03-01 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar  2 04:59:20 + 
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kohei,
any progress?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-21 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 21 09:32:59 + 
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Created an attachment (id=51624)
Updated spec to new selector control


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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-15 Thread hashproduct
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 15 14:36:57 + 
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@kohei: OK, I suppose it's reasonable to leave the three styles as they are for 
now.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-15 Thread kohei
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 15 14:22:51 + 
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@hashproduct: It is not a take-Excel-or-stick-with-OOO-style situation.  Why do
you want to pick only one convention and deprecate the rest?  Ultimately it's
not up to us to decide; if there is sufficient demand for either one it makes no
sense to deprecate any of them.  OTOH, if the majority of the users only use one
convention and don't care about the rest at all, then there is a good reason to
deprecate the rarely-used ones.  But now is not the time to make that decision.
 Quite frankly I don't know the answer to that.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-14 Thread hashproduct
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 15 04:04:52 + 
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@kohei: OK.  I guess my question is which set of conventions is considered
"preferred" in current OOo Calc: Excel conventions or traditional OOo
conventions?  If OOo conventions, then it seems inconsistent not to offer an OOo
variant of R1C1; if Excel conventions, then I think the OOo A1 style should be
marked somehow as old/deprecated (even if it remains the default for best
compatibility).

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-12 Thread kohei
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 12 19:43:25 + 
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@hashproduct:

Let's put it this way.  OO.o A1 style is what we have natively in OO.o today, so
we're stuck with it.  Excel A1 style is what the majority of spreadsheet users
are used to, so we have a good reason to support it.  The same reasoning applies
to Excel R1C1.  However, because there is no prior R1C1 equivalent address
convention in Calc, I see no reason to add such support.

If it were entirely up to me, I would just implement the Excel R1C1 without
adding yet another R1C1 style address convention just to be different from
Excel.  Lesser number of styles means lesser effort to maintain the code.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-12 Thread hashproduct
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 12 18:24:41 + 
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The updated specification looks good to me.  There are a few typos that don't
affect the meaning: "R1C1addressing" in the Abstract needs a space, the
Migration section needs a period, and "Default  setting" in Configuration has an
extra space.  I don't know if you care about fixing them.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-12 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 12 08:14:06 + 
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread hashproduct
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 11 23:36:29 + 
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The third sentence in Section 1, "Detailed Specification", is still wrong.  It
should say "A1 or R1C1", not "relative or absolute".

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread hashproduct
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 11 23:32:07 + 
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Two nits in the updated spec:
- The first entry under "Suggested accelerator keys" should say
"OpenOffice.org", not "OpenOffice".
- In section 3, "Configuration", it isn't clear which style "standard
addressing" refers to.  If it's OpenOffice.org A1 style, say that.

Also, I'm wondering why OOo Calc has Excel and OpenOffice.org variants of A1 but
only one kind of R1C1, which (based on the comment in address.hxx) seems to be
the analogue of the Excel A1.  I prefer R1C1 on its merits and don't care
personally about consistency with Excel; thus, if there were an OpenOffice.org
R1C1, I would use that.  Does the lack of an OpenOffice.org R1C1 indicate that
the OOo team has decided to adopt the Excel formats as recommended and just keep
the OpenOffice.org A1 for OOo backward compatibility?  If so, perhaps the
OpenOffice.org A1 should be labeled "Classic" or even "Legacy".

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread hashproduct
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 11 20:55:43 + 
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Please see updated spec (sorry for colors and fonts - could not match on 
mockup).
If possible, could somebody specify i-Team Members?
Thanks a lot.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread kpalagin
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread kohei
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 11 12:48:52 + 
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>IMHO it should go somewhere under Tools.Options.Calc

I agree with er here.  Perhaps Tools.Options.Calc.Calculate would be a perfect
place for this?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-11 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 11 11:34:22 + 
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I second that the naming (Absolute, Relative, ...) doesn't make sense. It should
be A1 vs. R1C1 instead. As the current implementation differs between OOo_A1,
XL_A1 and XL_R1C1, where  XL_... includes usage of the '!' sheet name separator
as well, technically only these could be the options offered at UI. The Lotus
style isn't much more than experimental. I also think this should not go into
the Format menu, the options are not related to formatting. In fact it shouldn't
go into any of the main menus, these easily get too crowded, and it is not an
option you'd need to switch frequently. IMHO it should go somewhere under
Tools.Options.Calc


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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-10 Thread kohei
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  CC|'er,jackflap,kpalagin,mh,n|'er,jackflap,kohei,kpalagi
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-10 Thread hashproduct
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 11 01:37:04 + 
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I strongly object to the names of the cell reference styles ("Absolute",
"Relative (R1C1)", "A1", "Lotus") because they do not make the differences among
styles clear.  It is meaningless to describe styles as "absolute" or "relative"
(and hence the third sentence of the first paragraph of section 1 is wrong)
because an absolute or relative reference can be written in any of the styles
(e.g., $A$1, A1, R1C1, RC).  "A1" and "R1C1" are good; the names additionally
need to distinguish among the OOo, Excel, and Lotus variants of A1.  How about
"OOo A1", "Excel A1", "Excel R1C1", and "Lotus A1", along the lines of pmike's
suggestion?  Or the menu could give an example in each of the styles (like the
comments in "enum Convention" in source file "sc/inc/address.hxx"), followed by
"(OOo)", "(Excel)", or "(Lotus)" as appropriate; the full-generality examples
may be helpful to some users but overwhelm others.

Also, I suggest moving the choices into a submenu "Format -> Sheet -> Cell
Reference Style" so that it is clear to users what they are choosing.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-02-05 Thread kpalagin
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|agalmes,webpac'   |n,pagalmes,webpac'





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb  5 20:57:05 + 
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So could somebody from developers take a look at my spec and either comment or 
proceed with implementation?
Thanks a lot!

WBR,
KP.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-01-26 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jan 26 10:36:40 + 
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Created an attachment (id=51170)
Proposed UI selector for addressing type.


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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-01-22 Thread pmike
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 22 10:51:02 + 
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As a simple proposal: in main menu
[View] - [Addressing (or Notation?)] - then radio-mark-checked submenu:
Classic OOo
Excel A1
Excel R1C1
etc

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2008-01-21 Thread mh
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|mmp   |fl

Target milestone|OOo 3.0   |OOo 3.x





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 22 07:57:11 + 
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reassign to fl, set target 3.x, any volunteer to provide a proposal ?

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2007-09-03 Thread webpac
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2007-07-24 Thread jackflap
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2007-03-17 Thread kpalagin
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Mar 17 22:26:35 + 
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Dear developers,
any progress with this issue?
Thanks a lot for your attention.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2007-01-21 Thread er
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2006-12-09 Thread kpalagin
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2006-12-02 Thread pagalmes
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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2006-12-01 Thread fst
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 Assigned to|spreadsheet   |mmp

Target milestone|---   |OOo 2.x





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  1 13:17:55 -0800 
2006 ---
Hi Matthias,

please comment on this one and proceed as needed.

Frank

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[sc-issues] [Issue 72191] Need a UI to select which cell address convention to use

2006-12-01 Thread jodygoldberg
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 Issue #|72191
 Summary|Need a UI to select which cell address convention to u
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   Component|Spreadsheet
 Version|current
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|NEW
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|FEATURE
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|ui
 Assigned to|spreadsheet
 Reported by|jodygoldberg





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  1 10:56:50 -0800 
2006 ---
The core changes to enable cell formulas to be displayed using XL style R1C1 and
A1 notation are in place.  However, there are no use visible hooks for selecting
which of the 3 current styles to use
- OOo
- XL A1 ([book]Sheet1:Sheet2!A1:A3  and A:C)
- XL R1C1 ( !RC:RC[2])

there is a potential to eventually add Lotus style references here
and if possible to use this selection to choose the entire formula convention
rather than just the address spec.
eg
- Use a locale specific argument separator foo(a,b,c)

Could someone on the usability/UI team make a proposal ?

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