[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 17:30:42 + 2009 --- Considering the saving mechanism is same for MS windows, the problems should obviously persist. Changing the platform wont change the saving algorithm. You need to have a swift-gamers hand. Tell me when exactly are you removing the pendrive? Or it can happen that that save status bar does not work the same for ubuntu and windows. Yeah I downloaded and installed from OOo site...that's why it required java. The OOo in the Debian repos is till 2.4 "We don't use incremental saving so that, yes, when overwriting the file with the new version, if a system crash happens at this moment, the file may be corrupted." That's EXACTLY what I've been trying to say since ages! Yeah, I was searching for that option after that incident...thanks. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 12:18:04 + 2009 --- Closed - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED OS/Version|All |Linux Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 12:17:45 + 2009 --- Not reproducible on Windows. If you use Ubuntu, check this again in a native (not Ubuntu but from our site) OOo build. We don't use incremental saving so that, yes, when overwriting the file with the new version, if a system crash happens at this moment, the file may be corrupted. To be on the safe side, use: "Tools - Options - Load/Save - General - Always create backup copy" The rest is WONTFIX. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 10:53:37 + 2009 --- The links will expire... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Sat Jun 6 16:47:42 + 2009 --- I've uploaded the videos. First download this file - http://www.adrive.com/public/c521e27bc8c7a0ec5cc12bd6be3ab2092e6d1048f2f6c74c20e9ee81480366fe.html Then - http://www.adrive.com/public/6c33cc1174e8eb239b6cf6a4c182e23ab1a4456708d5df72505f8b9f645a96c7.html Both of them are lpaq8 archives...extract them the usual way. Now you should get a tar file (not 001) when extracting the second one...extact thsi extracted tar file...then you should get the 002 and 003 files. Place the .001, .002, .003 files at one place and extract the tar from the .001 file (i.e its the header) You will get 2 videos...play them with smplayer (I really don't know about the format). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Sat Jun 6 08:14:05 + 2009 --- I've successfully made a ~70 MB file which opens to be 'blank'...after the fixing operation (it got made while I was making the video). Should I attach it? Also you cannot extract that corrupt odt file causeits corrupt. Once (video made) OOo said the save operation was complete but it did not save the changes (though the file was intact, i.e not corrupt), this is different from last time when the saved file was void and OOo still said the save operation was complete. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 5 18:06:46 + 2009 --- No its not a netbook. It's processor is 1.8ghz dual core (AMD). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 5 18:04:49 + 2009 --- "We cannot reproduce what you describe" Ok...I'll make a video. "but have a look before if there is no duplicate about that." I always do, but it never works out. "An editor is an editor. Plain text, no layout, no pkg stream... Please don't compare with a Word processor." So you agree that a text editor is no comparison to a word processor. BUT it's reliability's worst than that!!!...that's what I mean...its reliability is SOO bad! "Is this a theoretical assumption or ARE YOU REALLY experiencing those problems on a net book" I'm REALLY experiencing this...why don't you see the void files, I made it that way. Wait, I'll make a video. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 3 18:09:01 + 2009 --- One more time... We cannot reproduce what you describe (once again: I unplugged the USB stick at the moment you described, got an error, closed OOo and didn't shred the file on the USB stick -> only the changes are lost) and which seems only to be reproducible in VERY RARE circumstances. Now we have new statements from your side... "No one wants to wait for a minute or 2 to save a 'space' that was made towards the end of a document. " 1) But it's a fact when the file is 80 Mb big. 2) Now you're talking about performance -> an other problem. Please file an issue asking for the "Quick save" à la Word but have a look before if there is no duplicate about that. "I mean this office suit has a tag "When saving with OOo, you CAN loose data, which you will not if using MS office or even a simple text editor...with the same accident" " Now we are in the area of the block affirmations without proves and metrics, like the headline of a tabloid: "OOo CAN lead to data loss!!! MS-Word or an editor never!!!" Did you make the same tests with both? An editor is an editor. Plain text, no layout, no pkg stream... Please don't compare with a Word processor. "Actually there is NO office suit except this one which actually WIPES all previous data in such a case..to be explicit, this is the MOST unreliable office suit at its current state. " Same as above... You made a detailed benchmark of all the suites on the market I guess? "Cause of this very saving mechanism, making an book in openoffice is IMPOSSIBLE..." Since years, hundred of thousands of people indeed NEVER achieved this! "which is again VERY probable in an net book with its processor at the lowest power state" Is this a theoretical assumption or ARE YOU REALLY experiencing those problems on a net book AFAIK a net book (as the name says) is NOT made for word processing and certainly not for 80 Mb files... @MAV: do you have any comment on this? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|CLOSED|UNCONFIRMED Priority|P3|P2 Resolution|WONTFIX | --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 3 17:22:39 + 2009 --- This is NOT a lab environment, I'm simulating a real system crash..that's all. Point is OOo saving mechanism NEEDS to be changed we got 2 solid reasons - 1) Its extremely unreliable. 2) No one wants to wait for a minute or 2 to save a 'space' that was made towards the end of a document. Its unreliability is worst than gedit...a simple text editor..is this what you expect from an office suite? I mean this office suit has a tag "When saving with OOo, you CAN loose data, which you will not if using MS office or even a simple text editor...with the same accident" Ok...this happening might be rare, but if it does happen, to guy to which it has happened will lose lots of labourI mean that file...which contained like 100 mb of text + formula + images etc will be reduced to 0 bytes...you realise how much hate will that guy towards the office suite and the community? And this is VERY probable when the file size increases and if the system/file system speed reduces (which is again VERY probable in an net book with its processor at the lowest power state). I'm not asking you to chop your system to pieces, I'm just asking you to plug the power off...and the data's lost. I did not even do anything physical. Actually there is NO office suit except this one which actually WIPES all previous data in such a case..to be explicit, this is the MOST unreliable office suit at its current state. Cause of this very saving mechanism, making an book in openoffice is IMPOSSIBLE...the file size reaches 1 MB, saving the file frequently becomes a pain, you actually have to think before pressing ctrl+s..which you don't have to with MS office no matter what the file size is. By closing the issue, you mean to say that OOo will destroy all your data in case of a system crash/power failure...which will not damage any other file in the same partition (i.e except that openoffice document)...or there even won't be any loss of data in the other file. Its cause of Openoffice that you will loose data on the partition...nothing else is to blame. Reopening + changing priority to P2 - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Tue Jun 2 22:58:14 + 2009 --- closed - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Priority|P2|P3 Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Tue Jun 2 22:57:54 + 2009 --- As I said before: an accident is an accident. It does not mean bug. You can reproduce a system crash in a "laboratory" (plugging off the file system at time x+34, file system which has to be formatted like this and not like that and considering a processor running at X and not Y). Ok! Fine! Now: how often in real life do all those parameters meet together to let us think: a) there is a problem we may address ENHANCING our save process b) we have a real bug? I mean: If I hit my hard drive with a hammer there are 3 theoretical cases: a) nothing happens: the drive has not been damaged b) the drive has been partly damaged: some parts of the disc are destroyed but the disc works for the rest c) I destroyed essential components: the drive is completely useless This issue is: you have experienced c) and because you are a clever guy you could reproduce it from scratch because: - you found out the exact impact point for the hammer - the velocity needed to damage the drive at that point - the angle the hammer should hit the drive with that velocity at that point... and so on... It remains that an accident (system crash, hammer on drive) happened and that we cannot invest time tracking every possible physical damage and take preventive measures against them. Considering this issue as a theoretical interesting but practical not worth of tracking scenario. Closing as WONTFIX though WORKSFORME could also apply. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 27 15:28:28 + 2009 --- @es "Thus if I save the file somewhere else" I know it will do that, but in a real crash, you wont get that option "No I can't. That's why we call it "WORKSFORME"." Ok...lets see how openoffice works, tell me...it does recreate the whole file right...I mean, it empties the file and then again fills it...right? "No I can't. That's why we call it "WORKSFORME"." I'm a physics guy...actually a theoretical physics guy. i.e its my job to predict changes with some known information. So I'm into these things. Here, in this case the data in the file first gets deleted and then again gets refilled, while the refilling process is on, and I remove the flashdrive, concluding that there is there is no data loss is sheer stupidity. You don't even need to practicals to do that. In fact in programing, there is no barrier between theory and practicality...its the same thing. Practically trying to recreate this is like practically checking a folder for data without any copy-paste operation in it...now is that not obvious? However, I did recreate the problem...you just need to have swift hands and slow the computer down. If you're in vista, there should be an option to set the power state of the processor (in %...which is actually not true cause there are usually 3 or 4 power states; but cause its MS, such crap was expected), set it to 0%...for both maximum and minimum. Also pls do not use a pendrive with a data transfer rate of like...30MBps...the point of using a pendrive is defeated that way. If you're on vista...do not format it in NTFS...only in Fat32 (since you have no option for fat16...like with me). "we have backup mechanisms and file recovery systems" Now where is it (I'm not talking about autosaves)?...can someone give me the path for Linux?...and pls don't tell me its the tmp folder. @mav "Are you joking? The target disk is no more available during file overwriting, and you expect that the file being overwritten is still OK?" Yeah THAT is the main issue...instead of overwriting the file, it can just be amended, that way there will be absolutely NO data lost for the previously stored data and the save process will finish in a flash rather than waiting for half a minute. "Why should the user assume it? He has tried to store and got an error, why should he throw his document away?" If you plug your system from the mains you won't get any errors right? I've already explained that this will be *simulating* a disaster...no one will plug the pendrive off all of a sudden while a read/write operation is on...that means I'm doing it for experimental purposes...and it has succeeded. Ok...suppose I kill the OOo thread even after the partial save process (i.e after I unplugged the pen drive) and with OOo notifying me about it...thus making a an actual disaster sinario. I restart any of OOo component, and it shows me the recovery option...I click next...it says the file is corrupt, then repairs it and opens a blank document which isI guess around 7kb...i.e reduced from 87 MB to 7 KB...or an empty file. "What do you mean by "recovered"?" I don't know exactly what happened, but by recovery I mean it showed an option to recover the file, and I clicked a yes. So this is the recovered file...you cant edit even one OLE. The second case as per your definition. As said before, I did produce those void file...should I make a video on how I did it? We do have such software in the repos though...should be easy. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Wed May 27 11:31:30 + 2009 --- I think that ES comment is completely "qualified", indeed there is no known problem with the recovery mechanics in the scenarios where office can do the reparation. I just want to continue the discussion for the case that there is one that we did not recognize. "Yeah I was wondering about that too, but if this technique is applied, under circumstances of a disaster, one can trust that original file is not void, or there is no information loss in it." Are you joking? The target disk is no more available during file overwriting, and you expect that the file being overwritten is still OK? ""So you are not right assuming that in this case user would get no notification." The user has the option to cancel the recovery, in this case he/she would assume that his/her previously saved work is preserved." Why should the user assume it? He has tried to store and got an error, why should he throw his document away? "This file that I attached was "recovered"...with permanent data loss resulting in the file size turning to half.Anyway, I lost the main file." What do you mean by "recovered"? There are two kinds of recovery: - the office/system has crashed, the edited document are recovered if possible after office restart - the office opens already broken document, the office shows warning and tries to repair the document ( as much as possible ) I know, it is a pity to loose important changes, but the question is how exactly has it happened, did you cancel storing of the document, or was it a system crash that did not allow correct recovery? Please concentrate on the scenarios you could reproduce yourself while answering, no hypothetical speculations. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May 27 07:43:15 + 2009 --- "Do NOT re-plug wile OOo process is still on...close OOo, once the stick has been removed, then replug and check that file." Now I did. When closing OOo it asks me if I want to save the document. Thus if I save the file somewhere else (USB still unplugged) it will save correctly. If I close and don't save, I loose changes. Re-plugging shows a .~lock.Test file.odt# but also the Test file.odt which is about 84 MB size and opens fine. "Can you explain how did I generate those void file?...they were generated using these procedures only." No I can't. That's why we call it "WORKSFORME". "In fact you don't even need to try it out to confirm his bug, this problem is obvious." Nothing is never "obvious" as long as we cannot reproduce it. "You used that 80 MB file, or generated your own?" I used your file. Now considering having spent to much time faking a system crash which is not reproducible. An "un-qualified" comment from my side: we have backup mechanisms and file recovery systems but when a *system* crashes, who knows really when and what consequences it might have on the files/file system. We can fix bugs but not "accidents". @MAV: please leave a more qualified statement on this issue. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|CLOSED|UNCONFIRMED Resolution|WORKSFORME| --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Tue May 26 09:56:20 + 2009 --- "- Re-plugged USB stick -> OOo carried on saving." Do NOT re-plug wile OOo process is still on...close OOo, once the stick has been removed, then replug and check that file. Can you explain how did I generate those void file?...they were generated using these procedures only. In fact you don't even need to try it out to confirm his bug, this problem is obvious. You used that 80 MB file, or generated your own? reopened. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon May 25 20:34:41 + 2009 --- closed - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon May 25 20:34:29 + 2009 --- I did the mentioned scenario and had no problem: - loaded file from USB stick - made some changes in the file - saved - waited until progress bar disappears but OOo still usable - unplugged at this time the USB stick -> Error "Cannot find 'Test file.odt'" - Re-plugged USB stick -> OOo carried on saving. So WORKSFORME. Note: Tools/Options/OpenOffice.org/Paths is not a directory but directory setting in OOo which can be found under the *menu* "Tools - Options - OpenOffice.org - Paths". There you can see right to "Backup" where the backups are stored on your system. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Mon May 25 08:24:28 + 2009 --- The links will expire if you don't download. If you're not getting it, pls notify. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value Version|OOo 3.0.1 |OOo 3.1 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri May 22 18:12:18 + 2009 --- Reproduced in OOo 3.1 Changes to version made. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|CLOSED|UNCONFIRMED Resolution|WORKSFORME| --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri May 22 17:54:28 + 2009 --- Reopening issue... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri May 22 17:52:01 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=62450) In this very file, OOo assumed that the save operation is complete, but this was not so...as a result a void file. This can be recreated after the writer just comes out of its frozen state. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri May 22 17:48:10 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=62449) This is the void file that I made'accidentally'. OOo did notify about the incomplete saved operation. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri May 22 17:45:06 + 2009 --- The file is not getting attached. As a result I'll be attaching the 2 files as tar archives, each of them will contain a text file named 'disposable'...with some gibberish in it. As the name says, just dispose it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Fri May 22 17:35:25 + 2009 --- Here are the links to the file - http://www.adrive.com/public/30c2fd3065a2a047b47f4083e7e8ffe1420780c58126953882e55d05f8333958.html http://www.adrive.com/public/462fd2d9e5804040b4e1f87786d8da61ddeec255c71c561a9a1844939c4af02e.html After downloading, you might wonder the files are useless unless this piece of software is downloaded and installed too - http://peazip.sourceforge.net/ Open the first file (named Test file.tar.001.lpaq) with peazip and extract it. For peazip's Linux version you just have to double click the tar file that appears inside this file (which is actually an archive) and it gets extracted at the same place as this file. I dont know for the windows version, but for the Linux version, dont bother clicking the extract all/ extract here etc... button...it wont work. Do the same for the other file. If you have a double cored processor (or above) it'll be good if you can extract both the files simultaneously...theoretically, it should take half the time, i.e 15-20 mins on a 1.8 GHZ processor based on architecture of Athlon/Turon and having all the catches as 512KB. It will take 50MB memory (each). After the tar file has been extracted, extract the 87.1 MB file from the TAR file by extracting solely from the .001 file. Following the procedures (as stated before) to create the error file, I've made 2 null files which I'm gonna attach... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Thu May 21 09:49:37 + 2009 --- No it will not accept files above 1 MB...I'll upload it to a file hosting site and will post the link here. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Thu May 21 09:28:16 + 2009 --- I'm attach 2 files, one 41 MB and the other 42.5MB, they are actually compressed, so you'll need to extract them. I'll explain how to, you'll need peazip for that purpose. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Thu May 21 09:08:14 + 2009 --- Ok, I'm compressing the 87.1 MB file (now compressed to around 80MB) that I made to upload...I could not generate the partial file, but I could generate the void one with ease. Hope we don't have a limit to upload here. Also if you remove the thumbdrive just when the software gets out of its frozen state, though it assumes the file to have been saved, but actually we see a void file...i.e it gives wrong information about the file. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
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[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 21:39:04 + 2009 --- Then feel free to reopen when you have a reproducible scenario to submit. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 18:25:55 + 2009 --- @es Well...I was wondering that we're all 'writers'...making huge files. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 18:23:54 + 2009 --- "First of all, if disk device becomes unavailable during writing, the office can do nothing against file corruption. We can try to preserve the document contents, but the file on the device will stay corrupted because the office has no chance to repair it." Yeah, but at least there wont be information loss, I mean it is recoverable. "can be found in Tools/Options/OpenOffice.org/Paths" Yeah I was wondering about that too, but if this technique is applied, under circumstances of a disaster, one can trust that original file is not void, or there is no information loss in it. Anyway, thanks for that path...do you know the path for Linux?...cause I'm not getting it. There are 2 tools folders in 2 openoffice folders, and consists of some xml files...that's it. I'll surely checkout the 40MB file there. "So you are not right assuming that in this case user would get no notification." The user has the option to cancel the recovery, in this case he/she would assume that his/her previously saved work is preserved. "If you have a concrete scenario where it does not work please submit it." :-D :-D...we have ODT recovery tools costing 100 bucks for a reason. "If you have a concrete scenario where it does not work please submit it." This file that I attached was "recovered"...with permanent data loss resulting in the file size turning to half.Anyway, I lost the main file. I can recreate that scenario but the 40MB file that I made has confidential information...anyway, I'll try and do it...you know I've successfully recreated a void file which OOo doesn't even recognise as an ODT file...how can it recover? If I'm successful in making a non void, but half-filled file, I'll surely submit. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 14:35:32 + 2009 --- @de_logics: and please try to be *concise* when describing the scenario. Thank you! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 14:25:08 + 2009 --- mav->de_logics: First of all, if disk device becomes unavailable during writing, the office can do nothing against file corruption. We can try to preserve the document contents, but the file on the device will stay corrupted because the office has no chance to repair it. From your comments it looks like you accept this base idea, I have mentioned it only to be sure. To prevent possible problems in this case the target document is already backuped before it will be overwritten. The backuped version is stored in the user backup folder ( can be found in Tools/Options/OpenOffice.org/Paths tabpage ) for the time the document is stored. After successful storing the backup is removed, otherwise it remains there. I assume that you can still find the backuped version of your file in this folder. Moreover, you can let the office not to remove the backup file each time the document is stored. So in the scenario you have mentioned the error will be shown, and the document stays in changed state, that means that you will be asked to store it before closing. If the system is crashed/turned off, the office process dies and next time the office is started it repaires the documents that was edited before system crash/shut down. So you are not right assuming that in this case user would get no notification. So there is no problem at all in the reproducible scenario you have mentioned, the data is not lost. In case the system has crashed, the current repairing mechanics should already be able to repair the file. If you have a concrete scenario where it does not work please submit it. Currently we still have no concrete problem to solve, we only know that your file was corrupted somehow. There are no known bugs in this area, so without additional info regarding corruption scenario it is not possible to say how could it happen. And some more asks. - If you have a concrete scenario regarding mentioned in your post issue "I've heard this issue many time on various Linux distributions and specially with large documents (20 pages onwards)." please describe it in details, as you for example did it for the disk disconnection scenario above. - As well as comparing with other applications, it would be very interesting to know what do they do better, if it is described with explicit examples, facts and so on. Otherwise it sound just like common words that are not really based on facts, and thus can not be taken seriously. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 14:12:30 + 2009 --- Ok. I'm having problems with my download manager...so it might take some time. Sorry about the repeated responses but the site seems very slow. If you're not getting anything I described, I might be able to explain better. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|''|'mav' Priority|P1|P2 --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 12:42:20 + 2009 --- Not a P1 because the scenario you describe is not a general one which affects a majority of users but depends of a lot of conditions. Please also try this in a current 3.1rc2 version. @MAV: any idea about the described problem? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 12:07:47 + 2009 --- Yeah...also if you've checked the 'save new version every time' box, this file sizes can reach 100MB with ease. The obvious solution to this will be appending the changes to the file without moving/recreating/replacing the whole file which is not possible without removing application of the zip compression applied here. I think creating an uncompressed backup file at the same place as the master document while the document is open will create a solution, appending the changes to backup file, then compressing and then replacing the master file without removing the backup file (which will be amended to its latest state) thus ensuring no data loss. This bug also account for extremely long saves which can be cut down by just appending the backup document, which will be done in a flash. Then allowing the user to work on the document while the backup file is being compressed to a new zip file in the background. This will also allow more powerful, efficient but time consuming algorithms to be used for compression...like PAQ, which can reduce MBs into a few KBs yet without any data loss/delay in work. Custom compression levels can also be applied this way. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 12:05:34 + 2009 --- Yeah...also if you've checked the 'save new version every time' box, this file sizes can reach 100MB with ease. The obvious solution to this will be appending the changes to the file without moving/recreating/replacing the whole file which is not possible without removing application of the zip compression applied here. I think creating an uncompressed backup file at the same place as the master document while the document is open will create a solution, appending the changes to backup file, then compressing and then replacing the master file without removing the backup file (which will be amended to its latest state) thus ensuring no data loss. This bug also account for extremely long saves which can be cut down by just appending the backup document, which will be done in a flash. Then allowing the user to work on the document while the backup file is being compressed to a new zip file in the background. This will also allow more powerful, efficient but time consuming algorithms to be used for compression...like PAQ, which can reduce MBs into a few KBs yet without any data loss/delay in work. Custom compression levels can also be applied this way. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 11:56:26 + 2009 --- Yeah...also if you've checked the 'save new version every time' box, this file sizes can reach 100MB with ease. The obvious solution to this will be appending the changes to the file without moving/recreating/replacing the whole file which is not possible without removing application of the zip compression applied here. I think creating an uncompressed backup file at the same place as the master document while the document is open will create a solution, appending the changes to backup file, then compressing and then replacing the master file without removing the backup file (which will be amended to its latest state) thus ensuring no data loss. This bug also account for extremely long saves which can be cut down by just appending the backup document, which will be done in a flash. Then allowing the user to work on the document while the backup file is being compressed to a new zip file in the background. This will also allow more powerful, efficient but time consuming algorithms to be used for compression...like PAQ, which can reduce MBs into a few KBs yet without any data loss/delay in work. Custom compression levels can also be applied this way. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value OS/Version|Linux |All --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 11:37:28 + 2009 --- Though this might seem impossible to happen in real life in an accident but following the laws of probability, the probability of a crash increases with time and in case of windows increases as the time passes without reformating the system. Since the file size will increase over time, the probability will still increase. Considering multiple HD or above images in the document, the file size can increase dramatically. Also including many formulas increases the file size rapidly. If you have a habit of saving the files frequently, which is actually trying to be towards the safe side; the probability of this happening will still increase...so instead of saving files frequently being a good habit, it becomes a bad oneall cause of this bug. It happened to me for example! Considering this is leading to major data loss, this bug should be the number 1 priority cause one of the main purposes of using an office suite, is the reliability...which in this case is worst than even gedit/kate/notepad or various simple text editors. I've also seen this happening in Windows vista, so I think this will be for all OS since this is a problem with the algorithm. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value Priority|P2|P1 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 11:23:01 + 2009 --- Yes I successfully recreated this problem. As I thought of before (actually I knew about this and it's possible consequences about a year ago but since it actually happened to me, I had to report it) what the saving operation does is - 1)When you ask the software to save your work, it creates a temporary file somewhere replicating the new and appended saved file, this is done while the saving progress bar appears. 2)After the saving bar vanishes, the software is in a frozen state (I don't know but gnome System Monitor 2.24.1 says its current state is 'uninterruptable')...while this happens, for a while there's no write operation on the disk (where the file is), but after sometime, it does happen; what OOo does at this moment is replace the existing file with the new file, for this to happen, first the file needs to get blanked (or void), then it gets refilled with the new data. At this moment if the disk is removed, depending on when it is removed, there's a loss of data resulting in premature data being written on the file. Instead of the the disk been made to remove, if there's a Kernel failure (very likely in Windows) or a power failure or in a general a disaster, there will be permanent data loss. How I did it - I made a humongous ~40MB 3500+ page file (to ensure that the filling/replacement process takes time). I put it in a 4GB pen drive formatted to the worst of all FS by MS -- Fat16, making the pen drive extremely slow. Notice that the pendrive should have a lightsource/indication to depict the read/write operation. I transfer this file to this pen drive, open the document, and reduce the core frequency of the processor to its lowest possible state (again to make things slow). Then make a small change to the end of this file (in my case, I just entered a new line), then save the document. After this, get ready to remove the pen drive all of a sudden...now when to remove - As the save progress bar appears, you will see a read/write operation (through the indication on the pen drive) DO NOT remove the pen drive now. When the progress bar is gone, the software will be at its frozen state and there will be no read/write operations initially; but keep an eye on that indicator...as soon as it show a read/write operation...remove the pen drive all of a sudden; recreating a scenario of a system crash. Yes openoffice does notify you about the read/write error, but that's not gonna happen when the system crashes. Now reopen the pendrive (do a FS check if needed), you'll see the file but it'll be void resulting in complete data loss. Open the file, OOo will show the character encoding dialogue. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Keywords| |needmoreinfo, oooqa Priority|P1|P2 --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 08:21:39 + 2009 --- Do you have a reproducible scenario which leeds to data loss? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 User de_logics changed the following: What|Old value |New value Platform|Palm PDA |PC --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 08:06:37 + 2009 --- Working on this file is highly unreliable, information loss persists. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 04:30:46 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=62385) Broken file. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 102081] Very unreliable while sav ing documents
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102081 Issue #|102081 Summary|Very unreliable while saving documents Component|Word processor Version|OOo 3.0.1 Platform|Palm PDA URL| OS/Version|Linux Status|UNCONFIRMED Status whiteboard| Keywords| Resolution| Issue type|DEFECT Priority|P1 Subcomponent|save-export Assigned to|writerneedsconfirm Reported by|de_logics --- Additional comments from de_log...@openoffice.org Wed May 20 04:28:19 + 2009 --- All of a sudden one fine day I tied to open a file, and on doing so it said that it got corrupt, and offered me an options to repair, I did so, and on lightly browsing through the file I thought it to be fine, in perfect state. So I overwrote the file with the original file which was corrupt; only to realise that the file which was originally 1.2 MB...or actually I think it was 2.8 MB changed to 991 kb. On opening the fixed document I realised that none of the OLE objects were getting edited and some of them were shown with Object. The obvious culprit is the saving mechanism of OOo writer...which, undoubtedly needs to be improved on both speed and reliability at least in Linux cause I've heard this issue many time on various Linux distributions and specially with large documents (20 pages onwards). I'm attaching the recovered file (I don't have the original one, it was overwritten. The file has been modified cause of confidential information in it, however I left all of the OLE objects. And yeah there was another calc file which got corrupt, it recovered without a problem. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
