[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-23 Thread sba
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |VERIFIED





--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 23 13:47:53 + 
2010 ---
Verified in CWS sw33bf08.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-20 Thread tl
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Fri Aug 20 07:45:00 + 
2010 ---
tl->jurf: You need to thank ES for finding a crash. ^_- Otherwise it would
hardly have been considered as show stopper and thus would have been addressed
in 3.4 at best. Anyway I hope everything is fine now and will work without
problems, although now the breakiterator is involved and that one sometimes
behaves unexpected. 

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-20 Thread jurf
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--- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Fri Aug 20 07:28:35 + 
2010 ---
Thanks, tl, for the fix and also the one for issue 113584.
I look forward to pawing my grubby mitts over whichever release gets the CWS
first. :-)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-19 Thread tl
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|tl|sba





--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 19 09:01:03 + 
2010 ---
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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-17 Thread tl
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|STARTED   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |FIXED





--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 18 06:51:59 + 
2010 ---
Fixed in CWS sw33bf08

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-16 Thread ul
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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-11 Thread jurf
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--- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 11 12:07:39 + 
2010 ---
The list of ligs reminds me: another problem with Sentence case is that all the
letters in a ligature at the start of a sentence are converted to all caps, not
just the first letter. eg:

find -> FInd
fluke -> FLuke
ſtop -> STop
stop -> STop

(same with ff, ffi and ffl, but those sequences don’t appear at the start of any
words in English)

I’ve copied this comment to issue 113584 (Capitalize Every Words), as it may be
related.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-10 Thread tl
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 11 05:13:41 + 
2010 ---
TL->QA: For a list of all ligatures see
http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UFB00.pdf. They range from 0xFB00-0xFB06 and
0xFB13-0xFB17.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-10 Thread jurf
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--- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 10 17:13:17 + 
2010 ---
tl, thanks for your post. You ask two questions:

BEHAVIOUR OF SENTENCE CASE

After writing a first draft for this reply, it occurred to me that, logically,
there's actually no reason to offer anything more complicated than capitalizing
the first word of the sentence, with everything else lowercase.

Two reasons:

1. Assuming that the main usage of Sentence case is to quickly correct blocks of
text in all-caps or in all lower-case, guessing the casing of proper nouns,
acronyms etc would be a cpu-heavy waste of resources, and pointless if the words
aren't in a dictionary. In other words, the user would likely have to correct
stuff manually anyway.

2. If the original text is mixed case (where some words are and should remain
capitalized, like proper nouns and acronyms), it's unlikely a user would want or
need to apply Sentence case, as the casing should, in theory, already be
correct! In other words, and conversely, you're unlikely to come across a block
of text whose sentences start with lowercase but which contain words that have
and should have caps.

Conclusion: keep it simple by just capitalizing the first letter of each 
sentence.

**

SELECTION SCOPE

I'd expect the selection(s) to (temporarily) expand to cover the entire 
sentence.

This is what I've implemented in a case toggling macro that applies my own
casing code: when it gets around to sentence case, it temporarily expands the
selections to entire sentences, before restoring the original selections. As I'm
not up to speed with textcursors and the like, I use temporary bookmarks to mark
the original selections (RegExp would have been easier, but kills character
formatting).

The advantage of selection expansion is apparent when applying a casing routine
to multiple selections. Instead of having to carefully select each sentence in
its entirety (and risk accidentally clearing all selections by misclicking and
having to start again), I can scoot through a document CTRL-clicking any bits of
those sentences, before firing off the macro.

Thanks again

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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-10 Thread tl
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What|Old value |New value

 URL|  |http://specs.openoffice.or
|  |g/writer/changecase/change
|  |case.odt





--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 10 12:26:12 + 
2010 ---
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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-10 Thread tl
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User tl changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'sba' |'andba,jurf,sba'

  Status|NEW   |STARTED





--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 10 12:21:19 + 
2010 ---
Adding andba to cc list in order to list the requirements for 'sentence case'
before fixing this. 
Adding jurf because he/she was the submitter of the original issue.

tl->jurf: Could you explain why you think sentence case should behave as you
listed in the document (only the first character of the first word should become
uppercase and everything else lowercase)? After all there are other possible
choices like 
- keep words with all uppercase characters unchanged (e.g WWW, W.H.O.)
- keep words with correct title case unchanged (e.g. Australia, Peter)
usually if such words exist the user had intended them to be that way and thus
it could be argued that those should not be modified in any way by sentence 
case.

Also what would you expect if only a few words or even a single word within a
sentence got selected and sentence case is applied? (At least what happens in
other reference applications seems to be completely odd in this case...)

Thanks in advance!



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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-10 Thread tl
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Tue Aug 10 12:10:00 + 
2010 ---
Created an attachment (id=71026)
Attaching bugdoc from original issue 113558


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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-02 Thread es
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User es changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Summary|Change case - Sentence cas|Change case - Sentence cas
|e does not work correctly |e does not work correctly 
|with mix languages text   |with mix languages text

Target milestone|---   |OOo 3.3





--- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon Aug  2 13:50:11 + 
2010 ---
Other examples with "Capitalize Every Word" which might have the same root 
cause:

Sentence: "the rapide brown fox-like creature" (where "rapide" is in French)
Result: "The Rapide BroWn Fox-Like Creature"



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[sw-issues] [Issue 113587] Change case - Sentence ca se does not work correctly with mix languages text

2010-08-02 Thread es
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 Issue #|113587
 Summary|Change case - Sentence case does not work correctly wi
|th mix languages text 
   Component|Word processor
 Version|OOO330m1
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|NEW
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|formatting
 Assigned to|tl
 Reported by|es





--- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon Aug  2 13:16:42 + 
2010 ---
- new document
- type "first exemple"
- Set English to "first" and French to "exemple"
- Select all
- Format - Change case - Sentence case

Expected: "First exemple"
Result: "First Exemple"

The "Sentence case" formatting seems to see a new sentence when a new language
is set.

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