[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from opo...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 20 13:30:17 + 2010 --- Word and OO are unhelpful to writers who wish to self publish. Format is hugely important and styles are too constraining. Without reveal codes, it can take hours to get to the root of why something is not formatting correctly. WordPerfect is a joy to use in this respect but it does not install satisfactorily on Linux. Adding a reveal codes facility to OO would make a huge difference to its appeal to self publishing writers. After that, deal with the problem of providing sufficiently flexible arrangements for A5 booklet setting up and printing which is another thing WordPerfect does beautifully. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from b...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 20 19:46:54 + 2010 --- Happily, WP runs just fine in even a simple virtual machine; we're using the now-discontinued Win4Lin in the office but at home the folks at VirtualBox have been kind enough to allow it's use on personal computers free of charge. If OO ever gets around to implementing the reveal codes feature we'll probably go back to using it, but for now the absence of the feature is a deal breaker. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from er...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 20 22:13:03 + 2010 --- I'm with you Bob3! Mar 7, 2002 (the first RC bug entered) is a long time ago and too long to beg for a single feature. I have joyfully returned to WordPerfect and upgraded to v.15 without a single regret. WordPerfect is (and always has been) BY FAR the best product out there, bar none. What's more, WordPerfect developers don't require me to convince them that the sky really is blue and grass really is green. I'm tired of depending on the OpenOffice.org product managers and developers who are really taking their marching orders from the behemoth in Redmond, so it seems. Else, why the big fight against their supporters? Open your ears people! As it will soon be said, OpenOffice who? Is that really still around? Whoever uses that anymore? That phrase stinks of Novell and many other brands that could have made a deeper mark on society had they pulled their heads out of the sand and listened to their customer base and MADE things work the way their user base wants and needs it to work. Anything is possible if you have good enough developers. Come to think of it, I almost hope OO.o never does incorporate RC now, because that way, OO.o will never steal away the masses from the WordPerfect customer base. Hence, WordPerfect will still have the user base, including me, to continue developing their software and beating the pulp out of their competition. A few bucks for a far-superior product works for me, rather than no bucks for a continuous headache. Good luck. OO.o will use its bucks for aspirin instead, unless they start listening. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from w3...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 20 22:59:54 + 2010 --- As I commented on March 23, 2006, I'm still using Word Perfect 12 for correspondence. Using DataBase and SpreadSheets from OO, but until a WP type interface is forthcoming - I'm staying with WP. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ejo...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 11:01:47 + 2010 --- Thank you irneb for your explanation of the differences between WP and OO. I'm a home user of OO and have used WP from DOS versions to X4 (14). And the main reason for using WP is because I have complete control over formatting. I don't need styles as other than a heading on a letter my documents are mostly different from one another. Formatting on the fly - not restricted. So, although I do use OO as a substitute for M$ office (when others send me M$ Office files), I do most of my writing with WP. But I do use OO for spreadsheets and data bases. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from wbru...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 11:24:33 + 2010 --- Irneb, Very good explanation! Totally agree that OO can't totally duplicate the WP RC feature, as the formatting is done differently in WP (won't go into this here as it not pertinent). What I expect from an OO RC feature is to show in a window/frame all the details about the formatting of the document, which I think you have shown very well in your alternative document. Only thing I would like to suggest is not to use special characters for things like Line-Return, Tab, and Page Break. I think they should be special buttons (in your terminology), e.g. something like HRt and HPg Left Tab, Right Tab HD Back tag or similar as done in WP. There also needs to be special handling for things like images and other embedded objects. With regards to the temporary styles, there should probably be some way of converting into a permanent style. Werner P.S. We are only two users, but this would be something I would be willing to help funding in the order of 50€ or so. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 21:23:29 + 2010 --- Interesting comments. I agree with irneb as many of his comments go along with what I have said over the years. Some of your suggestions work closely to what I suggested back in 2006. We think alike. :) -- Now I am working on my document that has been edited on Word and WordPerfect. I was instructed to remove all formatting and start from scratch. This sounded like a great idea. I thought I would follow the suggestions that keep getting told to use RC fans on how to remove formatting. What a good test. Now, I selected the whole document. I went to Format Default Formatting thinking that all formatting would be removed. I was wrong. I still have some sections within the document that I cannot find how they are assigned. I keep getting a status indication for these sections. On the screen I get lines where these sections start/end. I have checked everything and all formatting is listed as default. It is something that can be copied as I have tried to select all text and copy it but the formatting stayed with the text. I have spent over an hour trying to get this out of the document. Reveal codes would have resolved this in a few seconds. It is the only formatting left. I will start looking at this again on Monday. Grumble Grumble. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ksev...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 18 16:52:37 + 2010 --- The fact that people keep pleading for this feature when about everything that can be said about it has already been said, should tell the OO folks something. So I figure the following: 1. They can't do it. OO may be designed in such a way that they would have to totally redesign the product to implement the feature. However, for someone who is familiar with WP Reveal Codes, that is not too high a price. 2. They don't want to beat MS Word. MS Word has always been lame. It's harder to use and can't do as much as WordPerfect. The only way they could beat WordPerfect was to bundle the their products together and sell them below cost. Their cash cow Windoze allowed them to do that. Now, OO can return the favor, because it literally is free. OO will likely never be 100% compatible with MS Office, because MS will keep tweaking the format. So to win the market they have to be better. Reveal Codes is a key step in getting there. That argument has already been made several times over. So all I can conclude is that they don't want to beat MS Word. So what do we who need Reveal Codes do? 1. We keep using old copies of WordPerfect, which is still better than either MS Word or OO Writer. (I still use WP 5.1 macro-based systems to generate documents because it still works, and I can't duplicate it elsewhere.) 2. If we can't do that, then we use whichever of the equally lame twins (MS Word or OO Writer) we must to get the job done. 3. Maximize your votes (2) for this issue. Hopefully, if it keeps bubbling to the top, it will make it a pain for the OO folks to ignore it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mac...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 18 19:25:24 + 2010 --- So I figure the following: 3. Elegance by obscurity -- RC would reveal to anyone, not even a developer, how OOW manages the attributes. It would be interesting to see the internals of some crazy effects I see when using OOW. Take this hypothesis with a smile ;-) So what do we who need Reveal Codes do? 4. Collect the money and hire a programmer for that. I would pay for this but I would have a guarantee it would not end with taking money and no product, or even with code (good quality) but rejected by OOO team (Not Invented Here Syndrome). I have to buy MS Office anyway (yes, I know, no RC, but OO is not very good in importing .doc files as you probably know), so few bucks more won't kill me (I think). However I have no idea how to setup such hiring. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from b...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 18 19:35:29 + 2010 --- 4. Collect the money and hire a programmer for that. I would pay for this... We have never had a problem donating to open source projects, that option is acceptable, though it would have to be after the fact in order to assure the donation is properly applied. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mac...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 18 19:54:41 + 2010 --- I am not talking about charity -- I am talking about buying this feature. Why this way? Because _I_ am tired of not taking responsibility, of abandoning created software, of ignoring those who paid, of not listening (8 years!). Charity is OK if you want support homeless, poor, etc. But making software is a profession, so if my money will go for a software, then only for a professional programmer, who takes his/her job seriously. We have never had a problem donating to open source projects I can only speak for myself, but I had and I have one and fundamental. I have no problem for paying for good quality product, with solid prospects of reliable development (because I need a tool for a job, not toy for my amusement). Closed or open (source) does not imply the above (it is orthogonal to the quality). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from f...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 18 21:55:11 + 2010 --- 4. Collect the money and hire a programmer for that. I would pay for this... I'm with macias; setup some kind of trust to collect funds; paid to OOo project when code is released in production version. I'd pay! Who is Assigned to ama? How much cash is required to get ama to start coding? What to do if funds never reach funding threshold to initiate coding or project is still ignored? Alternate non-profit? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 04:55:05 + 2010 --- Created an attachment (id=67905) Explanation of RC Alternative - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 04:57:05 + 2010 --- I think this is not going to happen exactly as per WP's RC. Therefore I'm starting to design an alternative which could work for OOo. See the attached file - (Explanation of RC Alternative). I'd like to see comments about this as I want to run it by the UX team as well. Maybe I should start a Wiki Page there? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from jct...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 10:31:59 + 2010 --- Maybe the following 2 links can give a better explanation for those who have never experienced this feature: Getting the most out of Reveal [formatting] Codes in WordPerfect: http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1153321168468 In summary… The Reveal Codes feature gives you unprecedented control over a document's formatting, layout, and structure. Clearly, Reveal Codes are the most powerful tool you have when it comes to troubleshooting a document. The Reveal [formatting] Codes feature in Corel WordPerfect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect The Reveal Codes feature is a second editing screen that can be toggled open and closed at the bottom of the main editing screen. Text is displayed in Reveal Codes interspersed with tags and the occasional objects, with the tags and objects represented by named tokens. The scheme makes it far easier to untangle coding messes than with styles-based word processors, and object tokens can be clicked with a pointing device to directly open the configuration editor for the particular object type, e.g. clicking on a style token brings up the style editor with the particular style type displayed. WordPerfect users forced to change word processors by employers frequently complain on WordPerfect online forums that they are lost without Reveal Codes. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from jct...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 10:33:00 + 2010 --- Maybe the following 2 links can give a better explanation for those who have never experienced this feature: Getting the most out of Reveal [formatting] Codes in WordPerfect: http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1153321168468 In summary… The Reveal Codes feature gives you unprecedented control over a document's formatting, layout, and structure. Clearly, Reveal Codes are the most powerful tool you have when it comes to troubleshooting a document. The Reveal [formatting] Codes feature in Corel WordPerfect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect The Reveal Codes feature is a second editing screen that can be toggled open and closed at the bottom of the main editing screen. Text is displayed in Reveal Codes interspersed with tags and the occasional objects, with the tags and objects represented by named tokens. The scheme makes it far easier to untangle coding messes than with styles-based word processors, and object tokens can be clicked with a pointing device to directly open the configuration editor for the particular object type, e.g. clicking on a style token brings up the style editor with the particular style type displayed. WordPerfect users forced to change word processors by employers frequently complain on WordPerfect online forums that they are lost without Reveal Codes. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 16:27:57 + 2010 --- - Thank you for the links jctbvk. These are informative links to this subject. fbax, the idea of showing all has been discussed many times. I feel that those that push styles as the only way don't understand how many of us work. We don't all create documents that use common styles. In a business setting, I can see it some times. In many cases, you get a document that others have worked on that are not following any style have been direct edited. Their comment is to delete all formatting and start again with styles. Not an option when you are only changing a paragraph from a 30 page document. We don't all have the authority to make the changes. Remove direct formatting. What a thought. Nice way to push many away from OOo but I guess it really is no different than being told to use styles or no formatting. - erics, nice comparison to an HTML editor. I think I looked at that a few years ago. XML formatting is like that. Open and close tags. Heck, the RC was like that from my old WP days. The issue is the divide between those that work on random documents that will be formatted in a unique way. A document that is created for a one time use. A document that would require making it's own unique style that may never be used again. For these one-of documents, direct coding is easier and a time saver. Or those that work with people that use their own formatting between different applications. And those that work in an environment where every document is formatted almost the same. Formatted to some set standard where it is easy to use styles to meet this requirement. This divide won't be resolved unless we all cave and use only one application in the world. MS would like that as it would most likely be their product. - I am working on a document now that will be edited by others. They are using WordPerfect, various versions of Word and OOo. I ensure that during the whole phase, there will be a lot of manual formatting implemented. This is going to be a headache if there are any strange issues between the other applications and OOo. I have run into them before and in a couple of cases, iannz RC macro has saved my butt. I will have to try it again with this document. Also something I have come across a couple of situations where I create a document that I have not used any manual settings or styles that I have a problem with. I would like an easy way to know where the problem is. I don't have the time to uncompress the saved file and look at the XML code to figure this out. I would like to see the point where I have a problem. A way to get my cursor into the right point to enter a CR or something else. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from wbru...@openoffice.org Mon Feb 15 16:46:14 + 2010 --- This is still the one thing which makes us (my wife and myself) go back to WordPerfect again and again. Styles is not the solution, if anything it makes it worse - at least that is how I felt about styles in Word and for that reason never switched to Word. We are just working on a document which are forcing ourselves to do in OOO as we like to get rid of WP on our machines. Something which would have taken maybe 10 minutes took is an hour or more. I wish I could help implementing something like this but that is way over my head. It looks to me that this will never happen in OOO, so maybe it is time to re-evaluate things (look for alternatives or fork out the money to Corel for an update of WP). Such a pity! Werner - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from b...@openoffice.org Mon Feb 15 22:05:30 + 2010 --- The inability to reveal codes is why Open Office has not been adopted in our offices; the head paper shuffler is old school sticks with what she wants, and so goes the rest of the office. I'm running Linux, as do most of us, so we're stuck with using WP running in a virtual machine, which isn't so bad. The Boss here won't make any donations to the Open Office project though because he considers it unusable as is. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 04:57:04 + 2010 --- If you need WP on Linux, you could try Wine - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=222 Not all the versions seem to work though, but at least you don't need a 2nd OS in a VM just to run one program. Alternatively (if you don't mind using an older version), there's still a free native Linux version of WP8 available: http://tldp.org/FAQ/WordPerfect-Linux-FAQ/downloadwp8.html - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mac...@openoffice.org Sun Feb 14 12:43:45 + 2010 --- There are usually some voices against RC feature stating that user should use styles, and modify them, and not tweak this or that attribute. Great, but in real world I don't create documents all the time, very often I download document from the web site (.doc of course) and I only have to fill the blanks. There is also another reason to have RC -- to see why OOO display document the way it displays, e.g. this huge gap below line in the document I edit right now, is because of: a) the style of the paragraph b) attribute of this paragraph c) table cell settings d) or it is just a bug in OOO, because yesterday there was no gap? Without RC I cannot be sure, so I have to check all the possible settings to get the clue -- it is waste of time. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from f...@openoffice.org Sun Feb 14 15:54:06 + 2010 --- I think the case for reveal codes was incorrectly stated from the beginning. Reveal codes should present all formatting codes (both styles and direct formatting). This will make styles even easier to use; since reveal codes will also display to user where styles start/end. At the moment, users must move through document one character at a time to see where styles change. If the argument against reveal codes is that users should use styles and not directly format content; then the functionality to format content without using styles should be removed from OOo. Simply force users to only use styles. As long as users are allowed format content outside of styles; a need for reveal codes exists. Someone should change OS: Win200 to OS: All. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from er...@openoffice.org Mon Feb 15 02:42:14 + 2010 --- OK, I'm apologizing up front because this will be harsh and I don't have the time to reread 8 years of duplicated posts to get the details that are buried deep inside: Well, if they strip the functionality to directly format content and force us to use Styles to format anything, then they'll be forcing a lot of people to leave OO.o -- because open source people don't like to be forced into anything. I'm one of them. They'll go find another app with more openness. As I'm aware of the open source arena, that's how open source apps become so popular: they cater to their users and implement highly requested features, of which I'd guess RC is one of the most requested. So forgive me now for being harsh and asking without reading the last 8 years of posts again, but why is this such a big headache and why all the years and years and years of fighting it when it's so requested? What in the world do your users have to do to get a feature implemented? The first bug on this was logged 8 years ago! What does it take? Yes, I know there is an ODF format issue (which wasn't even implemented when the first bug was logged), but what's the problem? Why is it so prohibitive? Why can't styles overlap and nest? And for crying out loud, why do they have to be Styles? (In my book, and for millions of others around the world, a Style is defined as a group of formatting codes, and a tag is a single formatting code.) Why can't they just be simple tags, like [Bold On][Bold Off] and [Underline On][Underline Off]? Millions of people all over the world understand that logic. Check out any HTML editor and you will see they ALL are basically RC editors showing beginning and ending tags allowing them to overlap and nest codes/tags, with or without the document preview. Double click on a tag in the better editors, like Dreamweaver, and it pops up the corresponding dialog for you to edit it; hmmm, just like WP! Do people consider that a copy of WP? Who cares if they do? Really. All HTML editors show the tags, and OO.o will format in HTML, so why all the bru-ha-ha? Just show those codes to start out with and build from there. Show the XML codes and go from there. I'm getting tired of the fight. I've been following this since the beginning. What hasn't been said that will convince the developers it's a good idea to get as close to WP's implementation as possible? It's all been said 400 times already! And frankly, what's wrong with adding highly requested features that are already implemented in commercially available apps? Of course OO.o might, in time, offer more than the commercial apps, but who cares if features are copied? If it works and people want it, put it in. Why reinvent the wheel? Just make the wheel more durable and more functional! Beat them at their own game. But at this rate, nothing will get implemented and we're still where we were 8 years ago when the first RC bug was logged. Now that's open source progress! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from erand...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 22 21:30:35 + 2009 --- I started with WP 5.1, then years later moved briefly to WP10, then quickly to X3. I've been using RC most recently to create templates for things like a recipe template for a 3-ring 8.5 by 11- inch binder (X3 just implemented a usable one) from pre-existing template for a 3 x 5 card. When things don't work exactly as I intend, I can address it point-by-point until it is right. Yes, this is a bit of hybrid-ing my word processor with desk-top publishing features, but that is the level of production-control I prefer. Control that is no longer available on non-Windows systems. The numerous comments that OpenOffice products should be more than clones of the commercially-available resonates with me. I would like to think that the contributors and developers of this project would feel the same. --And WordPerfect could definately use color matching for its matched format tags. A place where we could be better at RC than the RC Masters.-- - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 29 07:34:47 + 2009 --- It seems possible to at least have a display of what formatting is used, but editing these would not work as WP's RC does. The difference between WP OOo is that WP uses a form of nested and / or overlapping format codes, while OOo enforces absolutely no nesting and / or overlapping. Each bit of text could only have one single formatting style applied to it. The bit may range from a single character, to a paragraph, to the entire document - as long as the format stays consistent to the previous style's format the style is not closed. OOo uses only a sub-set of what I thought it did originally: instead of the formatting codes it only uses CSS-like styles (Cascading Style Sheets), but without the C part (cascading) - so that should probably read SS styles (Style Sheet). Whenever a hard-format change is done to anything, an entirely new auto-style is created. The previous style is stopped and a new style tag is started. The new style incorporates all the formatting codes of the previous style with the exception of the change. This sounds (to me at least) a bit wasted as a simple change to bold would duplicate every other format assignment (font, underline, font size, capitalization, italics, etc.) which is still as previous. However, I can see that it's much more efficient (program speed wise) than WP's nested / overlapping method: see below. WP (on the other hand) has no such thing as auto-generated-styles. It uses open and close tags for each format change. E.g. a bold start end, an underline start end, etc. It does have a style start end tag as well, but this is considered similar to any other format tag pair. This method uses the least amount of space to actually save the formatting, seeing as any one single change is saved as only that change - the formatting which is not changed still continues and is not stopped duplicated as with OOo. Programming speed wise this could have a detrimental effect though, seeing as displaying any piece of text all the previous text needs to be examined to find out what format is still applicable. With OOo only the latest style start tag needs to be found to display any one piece of text. The reason I can't see OOo using RC directly as WP does is this: OOo has no way of knowing to which style start tag a style stop tag refers. Thus it assumes it always refers to the latest style start. This does not create a problem in OOo due to the rule that only one style can be applied at any one time. WP's stop tags are always paired to a start tag (be that a style or other formatting code), thus the stop tag would stop its corresponding style / format and not become confused with something else (like OOo would). @mestech: It would certainly be possible to convert these temporary styles to full styles to be displayed in the stylist. It may be a bit difficult to group them into Paragraph, Character, Page, etc. ... but then again maybe not. It doesn't exactly serve the purpose of reveal codes though (only very partly). The real problem I can see with this is an entirely new style is created each time any one thing is changed. I've also not checked if duplicate formatting creates duplicate styles or if the existing (similar) auto style is re-used. This may create hundreds (if not thousands) of styles in the stylist. If you do need the hard-format to be saved as a Style in Stylist, this feature is already implemented (at least in 3.1, probably earlier). If you have the stylist open, select the hard-formatted text. Then click on the New Style from Selection button (top-right of stylist panel). Give the new style a name. The group would be the same as the currently displayed style group page (i.e. Paragraph, Character, Frame, Page / List). True this is not automatic, as you suggested for the macro, but at least it's not going to create hundreds of styles which are (nearly) the same to each other. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 29 07:54:10 + 2009 --- @mestech (again) :) Maybe that's a step in the right direction: have at least a visual indication of where these Auto-Generated-Styles start / stop. This way some of the RC functionality is possible as the user could at least discover where changes occur, and thus it would make searching for errors a bit easier. Then it would be nice to have something (say in the pop-up menu) to revert to previous format at a start of a newly generated auto-style. This way the user can see: Oh! Here's where the error happened. Change it to what was previous. And then (what would really be nice) is to have a display list of the previous, current next auto-style's formatting codes. Preferably highlighting the differences. And then allowing the user to join them by removing / adding differences. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 29 07:55:26 + 2009 --- @mestech (again) :) Maybe that's a step in the right direction: have at least a visual indication of where these Auto-Generated-Styles start / stop. This way some of the RC functionality is possible as the user could at least discover where changes occur, and thus it would make searching for errors a bit easier. Then it would be nice to have something (say in the pop-up menu) to revert to previous format at a start of a newly generated auto-style. This way the user can see: Oh! Here's where the error happened. Change it to what was previous. And then (what would really be nice) is to have a display list of the previous, current next auto-style's formatting codes. Preferably highlighting the differences. And then allowing the user to join them by removing / adding differences. In the long run this may even become more usable than RC for fault finding. Then there simply needs to be some way of doing Search Replace for formatting as well. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 28 17:35:39 + 2009 --- It is a reveal codes type of feature. Reading through this thread has provided a realization that Reveal Codes as per the full request is never going to happen due to the Only Styles group the feels the whole world runs better when you use Styles and only Styles. :) To me, Reveal Codes basis in a tool to find and possibly edit the coding involved in a document. One of the main reasons I want Reveal Codes it so find those stupid little formatting issues that occur between different editors on a document when styles (MS and WP versions as well) have not been used. Jannz Reveal Code Macro is a step in the right direction. The idea of a Macro of was to provide a path from the need to Reveal Codes to a method of supporting the Styles only group. I still feel that if the View Non-Printing Characters could be modified to show the various formatting points, it would help a lot. And, this is a discussion on how to implement Reveal Codes. When I logged in today, I thought about how someone my just decide that this is based on an old OS and decide that it should be closed to get rid of it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ejo...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 28 19:07:38 + 2009 --- And that's why I continue to use Word Perfect as my primary word processing program. I am not in the publishing business, nor do I write novels. Each page I create has a different style, maybe not a great difference, but somewhere in the page will be something out of the ordinary. If I am to switch to OO, there must a way to be completely creative and that definitely means there must be a way to display and edit formatting codes. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 User lijian changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'arthur,bulbul,david_flory|'arthur,bulbul,david_flory |,deragon,ejvindh,erics,ger|,deragon,ejvindh,erics,ger |cokees,irneb,lendo,macias,|cokees,irneb,lendo,lijian, |nagashree,norbert2,pagalme|macias,nagashree,norbert2, |s,robertf,thepriz'|pagalmes,robertf,thepriz' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 23 15:39:37 + 2009 --- After reading on the OOo users mail list about another attack on the use of Reveal Codes, I thought of an idea that may help some of the problems. If there was a macro or tool that could automatically convert all the individual codes that are not styles into various styles and then add them to the documents style list. The macro would have to decide what category the style fit into but it would help. This could go along with the idea of having a View option to show where styles are started and stopped. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mac...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 23 16:20:09 + 2009 --- Is this macro a reveal codes feature? No -- then please open another report. ( And just before you do, do the math -- somebody has to sit down and design such feature, somebody has to write it down, somebody has to spend time on this. Thanks to that macro and time spent, do we get reveal codes sooner or later? So thanks for not reporting anything ). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 User lendo changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'arthur,bulbul,david_flory|'arthur,bulbul,david_flory |,deragon,ejvindh,erics,ger|,deragon,ejvindh,erics,ger |cokees,irneb,macias,nagash|cokees,irneb,lendo,macias, |ree,norbert2,pagalmes,robe|nagashree,norbert2,pagalme |rtf,thepriz' |s,robertf,thepriz' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 17 19:55:22 + 2009 --- Irneb, I agree with your statement. It would be the only way to get around the differences in the technology. As I suggested on 2009 April 27, that maybe this should be changed to reveal XML instead of Reveal Code. To indicate that the feature will display the underlying XML of the document. The Reveal Codes macro by Ian Laurenson's worked pretty good when I first tried it so many years ago. It looked pretty much like WP's Reveal Codes. Even a simple way of displaying when all the different formatting changes are occurring is a step in the right direction. Like showing non-printing characters as an example. We still have people that are using WP because of this feature. I feel that this is more important than a Ribbon Interface that I read about on my holidays. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from cabrink...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 13 00:23:59 + 2009 --- I have read through years of discussion about the addition of a Reveal Codes capability to OOo Writer and I have to agree wholeheartedly with fortran_iv (Jan 22, 2009). I am at a loss to understand why so many contributors propose workarounds and other options rather than a full on commitment to make OOo more than just a MS Word lookalike. For several years, I've tried to use MS Word (and OOo), but the limitation of not having RC is prohibitive--I have to create documents in WP then save them to MS Word format to be compatible with my colleagues--I find this still preferable to using OOo or MS Word directly, even with the compatibility issues. My husband is a professor who has to use MS Word due to department regs, but inevitably, I have to convert his documents with WP, fix the accumulated formatting errors (very easy with RC and the Match Codes and Find and Replace features), then convert back to MS Word. I was so hoping that after finally being able to read WP documents, OOo Writer would have the RC feature and we could dispense with both MS Word and WP. I'm disappointed that it seems unlikely to happen (IMHO, visual XML is definitely NOT the answer). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 13 05:33:11 + 2009 --- I also love the RC feature in WP. I'm just saying that now that I've actually looked at the thing myself, I can see no way of implementing it with the current ODF file format. Either they have to change the file format (which is not going to happen), or they implement another form of RC instead of simply cloning WP's version. My suggestion is something in the form of Oxygen XML Editor's visual tags. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 11:01:17 + 2009 --- Dear mestech. I completely agree with your comment. My comment with firebug was thought as an inspiration to alternatives to WP reveal codes feature, as I don't think OOo should be either MS office clone, nor WP clone. I can see from your idea graphic that you have had thoughts similar to the features I like about firebug. Personally I have moved from WP to LaTeX (and maybe one day I will move to OOo). Not being able to debug styles and formatting is definitely a show-stopper for me. Jarl - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from jmc...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 12:23:55 + 2009 --- This is just to remind all that the name of this (still) open issue is Reveal formatting codes. Not just reveal codes or reveal styles! And those codes can really exist amongst the text characters (and be XML-like or in other format) or just be fictitious (being part of object's attributes, not stream-lined in the text character flow) but, nevertheless, have real effects. Whatever the case is (it seems to be the second one), what is asked from the developers is a way to see where, in the text, they are effective (i.e. have formatting consequences). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 16:09:35 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=61891) Example of element / formatting tags for XML - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 16:34:08 + 2009 --- I've attached a screenshot of the oXygen XML editor's method to show element tags. This looks so similar to WP's RC as to be the same, although oXygen formats it using tabs, which IMHO is even better since you can see the various parts easier. However I did a test with the OOo xml based file. I whote the following in a blank ODT: This is a test for formatting. Bolded from start to just after for, underlined from test till end. Opening the CONTENTS.XML file inside the ODT zip archive. The way it's saved makes the RC a bit complicated: text:p text:span text:style-name=T1This is a/text:span text:span text:style-name=T3test for/text:span text:span text:style-name=T2formatting./text:span /text:p Now each of these temporary styles, that should rather be automatically created styles, have the full set of formatting to each: style:style style:name=T1 style:family=text style:text-properties fo:font-weight=bold style:font-weight-asian=bold style:font-weight-complex=bold / /style:style style:style style:name=T2 style:family=text style:text-properties style:text-underline-style=solid style:text-underline-width=auto style:text-underline-color=font-color / /style:style style:style style:name=T3 style:family=text style:text-properties style:text-underline-style=solid style:text-underline-width=auto style:text-underline-color=font-color fo:font-weight=bold style:font-weight-asian=bold style:font-weight-complex=bold / /style:style To have RC working the content should have been saved as such: text:ptext:span text:style-name=T1This is a text:span text:style-name=T2test for/text:span formatting./text:span However, this would not work properly, since the 1st closing marker /text:span would close the T2 style (underlining). This is not as intended. So I'm rather then suggesting some visual XML editing to be incorporated into Writer. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Mon Apr 27 17:22:30 + 2009 --- dkerber, styles are already revealed. The tools to show styles are on the tool bar or the styles box. In this case, terminology is important. The base XML code needs to be displayed to show that there are formatting (not styles) changes. A manually entered bold or underline is not a style, it is a formatting code. It is outside the styles but can be overridden by styles which can make it easy or harder to find problems. Maybe it should be reveal XML instead of reveal codes. I will be facing an issue with codes as I will be editing a document that has been written and modified over years between different versions of Office, OpenOffice and Word Perfect. It needs to be re-written and I will be trying to use styles throughout the document. But I need to keep the formatting close to the original (a standard) and incorporate the New company standards. It is on documents like this that I really wish there was a native reveal codes for OOo. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ksl...@openoffice.org Sun Apr 26 14:51:34 + 2009 --- I am a strong supporter of this feature. As I child, I learned to write on the computer with Word Perfect. I remember when I discovered the feature how thrilled I was. I also remember when I had to switch to MS Word how inferior I thought it was, due to this feature loss. To this day, every time Word or Writer has some strange error, I lament the loss of that feature. I was NOT a technical user, but found this feature extremely useful. Beyond that, as a child, I felt like it allowed me to learn more about how computers (or at least word processors) work. I do not see the programming problem here for a simple implementation. The system could mirror web browsers reveal HTML, but with a save feature. We can create a new VERY SIMPLE format-free text editor window with the raw XML. The user can hit a save button in that window, which will update the Writer window. Or, if that is a problem, Writer could close the document when editing XML, then essentially be able to toggle between them. Not ideal, but certainly much better than unzipping, opening in notepad, etc. An ideal implementation would co-ordinate the two windows with editing possible in both. The reason this issue has so many votes is because people understand its utility. This is the reason so many law offices still use Word Perfect. And to the above discussion of styles, that is a bit of a digression because I would like to see where in the text styles are implemented. The revert to default can be useful, but certainly not as good. Please give this issue the attention it deserves. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 24 17:48:38 + 2009 --- Firebug may be useful for CSS but from the image I can quickly see massive confusion occurring when trying to edit a document. In the suggestion that I presented in 2006 (3 years ago this month), the formatting is indicated within the text of the document. It also provides a description of the nesting. http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/35624/View_Codes.png I have come across so many issues with auto-formatting (styles included) to want to throw the word processor out. There are times I want to know why I get a new blank page in a document when I have deleted all text and still have space at the bottom of the page. Some style but unknown to me where and which one. Styles don't always clear themselves if you delete the text within the style and this can create a surprise formatting issue. It is easy to come up with reasons and examples to prove one or the other argument but if there is a problem that is caused by styles or the wrong usage of styles or some strange conflict, how do you find and fix these? As I have stated so many times. Lets not clone MS Office, lets be better and offer tools that are better. OOo tries to replace MS Office but why not also try to replace WP as well? I know people that purchase WP with each new version because they don't like the way that MS Office takes control of their documents. There are also people that use LaTeX instead of MS Office. This was opened in 2002, I made my first comment in 2005 and four years later, we are still requesting Reveal Codes. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from dker...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 24 17:57:02 + 2009 --- Maybe if we changed the wording of the request from reveal codes to reveal styles it might get more attention from the devs? It doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to be an issue, where my styles get scrambled or too deeply nested, and I can't figure what's causing my text to appear the way it is. Showing where styles start and end, and what is set in each one would be an enormous help. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mac...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 24 18:16:33 + 2009 --- Maybe if we changed the wording of the request from reveal codes to reveal styles it might get more attention from the devs? Or maybe if we implement the feature we could get even more attention? After all, OpenOffice is FLOSS, so everybody can help. Please stop sending those reminders -- developers are busy people, reporters are busy people, if you have to just complain reports are aging, please start a your own blog -- this is BTS, it is for technical issues _only_. Thank you for understanding and respecting other people's time. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from cnighswon...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 24 21:40:56 + 2009 --- this is BTS, it is for technical issues _only_. Posts like this are not only non-constructive, but are truly the thing that waste other people's time. IE. The time it took me to reply and delete the email from my inbox. This is clearly the forum in which to discuss/debate this enhancement. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Thu Apr 23 07:20:30 + 2009 --- I am an former WP5.1 user. I understand the discussion and the arguements both for and against this feature (moderne text processing applications are not stream-oriented as was WP5.1), and I suggest that we step back a little bit and realise that the reason this feature was so popular in WP5.1 was not that it made it possible to format without using styles (AFAIR this was called formatting macros in WP5.1). The real reason that this feature was so damn popular in WP5.1 was that it was an easy way to debug your formatting (whether through use of styles or not). It could give you an answer to the question Why is this text formated this particular way? Now modern text-processing applications are not stream-oriented as was wp5.1, so reveal codes may not really be a good solutions, because there really is no codes in between the characters. There are attributes on characters in stead. Anyway, as ama mentions there really seems to be a general request to show/debug formatting and/or show character attributes in an intuitive way. I suggest, as an alternative to reveal codes, to reveal this formatting/layout information in a window similar to firebug. Firebug is an extension to firefox, and you can basically click on any content on a html page, and it will tell you the resulting (CSS) formating style, and how this resulting formatting style has been computed through rule of inheritance from parent style classes, etc. Firebug is an excelent tool to format your (X)HTML pages the way you want with or without style. I would like to see similar feature in OOo. If such a feature was there. I would guess that there will only be few WP5.1 die-hards left that would still insist on reveal codes. I will attach a screenshot of firebug to illustrate my point. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Thu Apr 23 07:28:17 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=61748) Firebug screenshot, reveals formatting of 50 million downloads! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mac...@openoffice.org Thu Apr 23 07:42:16 + 2009 --- I understand the discussion and the arguements both for and against this feature ... I suggest, as an alternative to reveal codes, to reveal this formatting/layout information I doubt in first -- otherwise please tell us how your proposition help edit all formulas at once? With reveal codes it is straightforward, but somehow I don't see what formatting has to do with fractions, sigmas, sums, etc. I would guess that there will only be few WP5.1 die-hards left that would still insist on reveal codes. I am not WP user and reveal codes is not because we are used to it. Reveal codes is simply useful no matter where do you come from -- why? Read the comments above. Testcase: document with 100 formulas inserted. Replace all Sigma symbols with Theta symbol. Time limit: 5 seconds. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from mest...@openoffice.org Fri Jan 23 20:55:41 + 2009 --- Fortran_iv, well said. I use styles and they are great. But there are times that I would love to know what is going wrong with a document that is using styles but isn't working as it should. I don't want to delete all the styles that I have just spent time setting to fix an issue where there is a style change that I cannot seem to select or change. I spent a fair bit of time doing this the other night. I had a style change that seemed to be be related to space or some invisible character. I ended up removing all styles and starting from scratch. I could have saved myself lots of time with Reveal Codes. As I said ages ago, just add it and then OOo will have the best of both worlds. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from jmc...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 10:04:49 + 2009 --- I fully agree with fortran_iv: I also do not understand such resistance to this old request (dream?) of seeing (and hopefully editing) in a better way the formatting styles applied to existing documents. The technical explanation that someone has put forward some years ago (there are no codes to reveal) is pure semantics, just like when Clinton said in TV that he did not have sexual relations with Lewinsky). This is a sad issue that, as a long time user of Star/OpenOffice, I regret. It would be features such as this that could give OOO another advantage over MSOffice... Will it be so hard to program?... Sorry for not giving my help, but I am not a professional or proficient programmer. José - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from cnighswon...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 15:44:08 + 2009 --- Here is a poll I created to see just how many would like to see this feature added to OO Writer. http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpview/530473-134015 Feel free to pass the link around. I bet there are more than 149 people who would like to see this feature added. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from fortran...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 05:47:52 + 2009 --- I've read through nearly seven years of comments on this issue, and I don't understand the continued resistance to a Reveal Codes feature. Apparently many of the opponents to this feature: A) do not understand how the WP RC window functioned, and B) don't often have to deal with legacy documents. A) The WP Reveal Codes window was not a license to kill codes. WP used--encouraged--styles just as OOo Writer does, although they weren't as sophisticated. You could, for instance, create a quoted passage style that inset the margins and changed the font, then apply it to whole sections of a document. In the RC window, there would appear a single tag for [Style On:Quoted] and another for [Style Off:Quoted]. You could not tweak the formatting within the style; you could only delete the [Style On] or [Style Off] tag (which automatically deleted the mated tag as well). If you wanted to override the style formatting in any way, you had to insert additional formatting--just as you do in Writer. (Yes, you could nest styles.) And if you deleted the [Style] tags, any other formatting tags remained in place, and remained in effect. RC did not replace styles and RC did not conflict with styles. In fact, RC made styles _easier _to _use_ for less technical people, because RC enabled you to see exactly what styles were applied, exactly where they started and ended, and exactly how they overlapped and interacted (or conflicted). B) I have a 200,000 word document in WP5.1 format. It has about 1200 occurrences of what Writer calls character formatting. I would _like_ to convert it to something a bit more modern. When I convert it into Writer, neither of two things happens: The base font of the original is _not_ applied to the Default style in Writer, and the Default style in Writer is _not_ applied to the converted text. Instead, an invisible internal style is applied individually to every paragraph. (At least, that's the best I can figure out--I'm not experienced with XML.) The base font--the root formatting setting of the whole document!--is converted incorrectly. And I can't find a sensible way to fix it. Opponents to Reveal Codes would apparently have me believe the sensible thing to do is apply Default Formatting to the whole document, then manually reapply 1200 character styles. If I'm understanding the XML code, it appears that all I really need to do is modify--or destroy--one hidden text style to fix my font problem. But the style in question doesn't seem to appear in the F11 Styles window, and I can't figure out how to modify it otherwise. A Reveal Codes window would (hopefully) offer me an approach to cleaning up such massive conversion problems without all of the manual reformatting required at present. Or, for the more sophisticated user, would make it easier to write a macro to automate the necessary corrections. - I quit using MS Word altogether because of its secrecy about formatting. All my documentation at work (dozens of documents) is now done in manually-coded HTML with external CSS stylesheets--because I find it easier to maintain! So far, I've not seen anything to recommend OOo Writer over MS Word except the price. The continued resistance to Reveal Codes implies that the developers don't want Writer to be anything more than a Word clone. Frankly, that's just not good enough for me. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from ir...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 22 06:55:32 + 2009 --- Hear! Hear! Until Writer has a decent RC-like feature (not simply an add-on to display codes) it's (just like Word) a dinky-toy word processor. Just barely enough to write those office memos, but don't try doing anything serious like writing a product manual - you'll be wasting your time. I've also started writing most of these things in HTML. I've been using NVU for that since you can swap easily between WYSIWYG and Source editing (exactly as you'd expect from RC), and have a built in CSS editor. And BTW if you're doing HTML hard coding, XML shouldn't be that steep a learning curve ... they're basically the same structure, XML's just got some extras and more strict (similar to XHTML). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
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2008 ---
I wonder why reveal codes rings only formatting bell.
Reveal codes is not only about formatting/attributes -- it is about fast
(_fast_) way of editing for power-users (please change the component to
editing).
Let's say you inserted ten formulas like this (latex syntax):
A_i = a_{ij}
of course with OOW in main document you see formulas (the visual effect, not
the code). Now, please, replace (fast) all i indices to k. In OOW it is an
ordeal.
So I don't think it is something with low priority, it is very important
feature -- otherwise you narrow down your user base to weekend users and 1-2
pages documents.
With bigger document I had to give up with OOW -- I'll cry using latex but I
have no other choice -- it is the only way I can make global changes to
anything: formulas, attributes, you name it. In OOW I have to click on
thousands of objects, patiently select property, change it -- this is not task
for humans...
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 1 20:45:36 + 2008 --- Today I was talking to a WordPerfect user that won't use OOo without a reveal codes like feature. Again the issue of styles and how they work is not the way that WordPerfect users want to work. This conversation started due to major problems with Windows and his thought of moving to Linux. I at least convinced him to load OOo onto his computer and try it for all the other features. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 11 19:42:19 + 2007 --- Sun seems to give other features that address the average word user more priority since this may be a bigger market for StarOffice than advanced users ... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 8 11:02:29 + 2007 --- I'm a home user of Word Perfect have been since WP first came out, many years ago. I once also used M$ OFFICE. It is no longer on my computer. Since version 1.x of OO I've used that for files given to me from M$. I do not use the writer. Why? Because each and every one of my documents including letters is not the same, except for the letter head. I want control down to the individual character as I get in WP and that includes being able to see the 'reveal code' function. So - I stay with WP for my own work and OO for looking at other's works in M$. And Yes, I have voted for this issue quite a while back. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 7 20:18:08 + 2007 --- If you want MS Word to continue to rule the world, don't implement this feature. Then ooWriter can stay the pretty much like MS Word free alternative. If you want to cut into MS market share, add reveal codes. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 8 06:45:10 + 2007 --- It would be nice if you haven't voted for this issue to vote for it. It was in the top ten issues voted on in 2003 we have now dropped down to the 23rd. Which is not bad considering all the issues that are out there but keeping it in the top ten would help give it some priority. It says that it has been started but I haven't seen much in the way of it being worked (as far as communication from the devs in comments in this area). I really hope it makes it into OO someday and is on par with Word Perfect. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 8 04:48:12 + 2007 --- Yep, exactly. As I've said before: If you simply want to replace Word, then you're pretty much there. With this feature you'd probably also gain customer base from the WordPerfect market, smaller but much more demanding - these are usually the guys writing moderate to large documents - not those just looking for a Post-It note writer, or typing one letter every 3 months. If this feature is implemented decently you may even steal some of the TeX clientèle. Then if you can get incorporation between Writer, Draw AND RC you may even find that the less demanding PageMaker (or similar) users would start to adopt OOo instead. Yes, well maybe they'd rather go to Scribus. All that said, the 1st step would be to at least reveal the codes. This would make it better than Word (at least in my opinion). Thereafter start implementing something like Revise Codes - thus making that code viewer interactive like WP does. You may even find (or invent) something better, but I'd advise starting from WP's RC as a benchmark to aim for. I've come across something that works similarly in a Draw alternative: Inkscape which uses SVG files, allows every single object (line, text, curve, etc.) to be selected and it's SVG code can be opened in a text editor for tweaking. Now given, your user then needs to know how to work with SVG (or in Writer's case XML - similar but different) this might be a step forward. I.e. extract the portion surrounding the current cursor position from the XML file(s). All you then have to do is implement a more user friendly interface. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 8 05:20:02 + 2007 --- Created an attachment (id=49513) Example of WP's RC - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 5 21:37:08 + 2007 --- soeiro I partially agree with you but any way of showing the points that formatting, either by styles or by direct encoding would be great. Since my last comment, I have have been reading with great interest about the Open Document Foundation and their dropping support for ODF. One of the comments that I read is about the filters used between documents. If a Style or Format isn't understood by the filter, it can just be dropped. This makes sense from my experience. Now if the filter decides that it is going to drop some formatting from that imported document, some of the formatting that was inside the document could be left hanging. Now I agree that formatting should be available in OOo reveal codes, I have grown to like styles for 95% of what I create. Revealing the coding point would be a great improvement, especially when importing documents from some other editor. I look at revealing the code as being a great compromise. Now to add in the editing abilities will create it's own headaches. The biggest issue on this is the different domains of those that prefer reveal codes and those that prefer styles. From my experience with WordPerfect is that it does have a version of styles in it. Now I think and will repeat that adding Reveal Codes to OOo would make it much better than Word for most home users. Styles takes some time to learn. Most home users want and use a word processing program for those one-time documents and will never need or use have the tools of styles. Shouldn't these peoples needs be addressed? My wife who writes a lot prefers reveal codes. Is smart and has read the Styles guides, still wants Reveal Codes. What she writes today will be formatted differently than what she writes tomorrow. I like styles because I can quickly format or reformat a document that I have created. This is where styles rule. I hate styles when I have to import a document that has formatting that I do not know anything about. Now I have to find every location that the formatting has occurred. Removing all formatting and then using styles is not an option. Someday I hope that this will go beyond this discussion. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 6 05:24:00 + 2007 --- different domains of those that prefer reveal codes and those that prefer styles That's simply because those (from the different domains) don't understand that the 2 things are separate complimentary. If you've used WP's styles you'd see that they even implement the RC inside the styles editor. This I've used to make those table of contents (etc.) work properly, as you sometimes find (in WP) that the bold or font size gets brought with the heading. With the styles editor's RC you can place the TOC Open marker just after the formatting the TOC Close marker just after the text - so only the text gets copied to the TOC. True, OOo doesn't need this particular scenario as it never copies the formating to the TOC the TOC gets formatted separately. But, wouldn't it be great if you could make a thing work EXACTLY the way you intend, instead of this hit-and-mis approach? What she writes today will be formatted differently than what she writes tomorrow Yes and with Styles it would be a simple change to reformat an existing document. RC would not make you work more efficiently if you are reformatting from scratch, except that it would show you where there are erroneous formatting. Where RC REALLY helps is when you've got several docs combined or starting from a corruptly formatted document. Styles takes some time to learn. Most home users want and use a word processing program for those one-time documents and will never need or use have the tools of styles. Shouldn't these peoples needs be addressed? Uhh ... if they don't use styles because it's just a once off thing, I think they're not really power-users and thus wouldn't even know of RC. Removing all formatting and then using styles is not an option. I agree, it is simply a waste of time. Unfortunately this is the only method of getting rid of nearly all formatting errors in OOo. If you combine the use of Styles RC in WP you see that this type of thing becomes a breeze in comparison. If you only use one or the other (Style or RC) you're not making it that much easier for yourself. The reveal codes function should not only reveal the formating codes, but allow the user select them, change them and copy and paste them. Yes! In total agreement there. Having just a code viewer is probably better than what's available know, but it would be like aiming for the outside ring on the target instead of trying for a bull's eye. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Nov 3 22:29:01 + 2007 --- Hello All The reveal codes function should not only reveal the formating codes, but allow the user select them, change them and copy and paste them. Of course I'm not sure about the difficulties involved in implementing this feature, but it would make OOO Writer a much better word processing software than it is now. I see that there is some discussion about styles making the reveal codes feature not needed. Also, there are some arguments that direct coding of formating codes could make room for bad uses of formating codes. However, for the former argument, it is easy to see that if one does not like to see the formating codes, he or she can continue to work without them. The second argument is not very sound either. What is the best way of correcting a messed up HTML page? It is getting to see the html code! What this post is about, anyway, is about not only having the ability to see the formating codes, but to alter them! Copy paste too. You can copy a complicated style and then click on parts of it to edit (by the way of menus) or to delete or add or whatever... Thanks for just reading this suggestion. Regards, Luis f. Soeiro - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 30 15:53:00 + 2007 --- Bertram, Well put. I wish I could have explained it that way. I doubt that it will make any difference to the mind set. I would just like a way to know how a certain change occurs within a document and to know which style is the cause. Or is it direct formatting that is done outside the style. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 28 10:05:21 + 2007 --- I'm 100% in agreement with bertram. This issue is the main reason that I have reverted to Word Perfect. WP always has had control of the document right down to individual characters. No problem in formating just the way you want, when you want. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 28 03:47:36 + 2007 --- I'm very sad to see that this feature is not receiving the attention that it deserves. There is a HUGE falacy of composition in the threads/arguments above. The argument runs something like this -- because styles are styles, therefore all understanding of the code that frames the layout and changes the format is useless. Styles are styles. They are a great convenience, but they have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the justification of Reveal Codes as a valuable feature. Neither one can act as a substitute for, or reason for the extermination of, the other. They are unrelated featers. (The efficiency and long-lasting impacts of the Madison Avenue brainwashing job that MS underwrote for competition purposes, to trick people into believing that because theiz have da Styles dherefores theiz dussunt need da Codes, when the two features are totally unrelated, still amazes me.) A coder writing php and html gets to see his code (doh!). Why does he need to see his code -- he is writing for one of the most forgiving of display-delivery devices, the monitor. An author using Writer is preparing to send a high precision document to a high precision printer, which is by comparison several orders of magnitude less forgiving than a monitor. Imagine an author using a TeX editor (TeX uses styles!) but his TeX editor refuses to allow him to see the codes which control the layout of his or her document. Two authors, one using MS Word and the other using a TeX variant, are sending their documents to similar printers, and both should have equal access to the layout structure for their documents. One cannot proofread a precise document and rely on styles and a WYTYSINWYG monitor. Having sexy styles, or not having sexy styles, will not change that. **Nor will Reveal Codes -- until the inevitalbe problems show up. When there are problems with a PRECISION document (not a Post-It note) at the printing phase, Reveal Codes is the only feature that will help cure the problem. That's part of the learning curve, and that when the author realizes that having access to Reveal Codes helps him or her keep the problems out of the code in the first place, so my sentense at ** above was an intentional lie. Reveal Codes flattens the learning curve and that increases the precision and control. IMHO, Writer should be not be marketed as, or known as, a Post-It Note scribbler like MS Word. (And that is just exactly what Word is, with its 10,000 styles and its totally blindfolded authors.) Marketing staff for OpenOffice should shape the ooWriter produce so that it develops a reputation as a **precision document** program -- a program that offers the author precise qand full control over placement of all format changes and layout changes. Thus, when an author needs more control than offered by a Styles-and-Blindfolds product like MS Word, but doesn't want the learning curve and hassles of TeX, then in the marketplace, then the first product that springs into their minds should be ooWriter. ooWriter ... the powers of TeX, without the hassles ... (Of course, everyone realizes that power, without control, is just plain dangerous, wasteful and stupid.) That will require that programmers understand that Styles and Reveal Codes are completely unrelated features. (If they are related, they are only in the sense that each feature augments the powers of the other feature.) And yes, TeX uses styles. But, just because TeX has styles, it's programmers understood MS-BS was not sufficient reason to then hide the code. OpenOffice Writer ... the powers of TeX without the hassles ... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 20 08:57:29 + 2007 --- That's the whole point - using Styles makes it much simpler to ensure consistent formatting, but it doesn't make it easier to format an inconsistent document. If you've got parts of the doc from others, you may find that they've not used styles or created their own styles. Thus at present the most effective way would be to remove all formatting in the inconsistent portions redo the formatting from scratch (preferably using styles), maybe using the Paste Special (Ctrl+Shift+V) -- Unformatted text and then format as needed. The problem comes in with the portion as pasting something into an existing document does not always place the wrong formats in the exact position. This is where RC can help. One of the previous posts, said that it's very difficult to implement this as OOo formats each character instead of having opening closing tags for each format element - uhhh WRONG - you're using an XML based file format, XML works much the same way as HTML: which uses opening closing tags to show: bold starts heresome textbold ends here further text saved as bsome text/b further text It does not save as: bsbobmbeb btbebxbt further text This is exactly the same way that WP RC works - it just shows those open and close tags as graphical buttons so you can click on them to open a relevant formatting dialog, drag them to a new place delete them if not wanted. When it comes to styles, in OOo's ODF (XML based file) each style is saved similar to HTML's cascading style sheets (CSS) at the beginning of the file. Then any portion of the document using this style has again an open close tag to show where the style is applied to. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Sep 19 19:28:01 + 2007 --- Well, it has been over two years since I made my first post to this thread. I have learned more about styles and I still feel that Reveal Codes is necessary. I still have documents where the styles are mangled or others have not used styles or other general formatting tools but direct formatting. What a pain to edit and try to duplicate the formatting over the whole document. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 14 17:27:17 + 2007 --- Because styles are the backbone of OOo and because manual formatting can seem to break them all to easily, it's very important to be able to see the formatting that's in use, especially when the work comes from someone else. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 4 19:14:50 + 2007 --- *** Issue 81267 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 12 18:42:45 + 2007 --- Imeb, you point out the key reason for reveal codes. Know exactly where to insert the cursor for editing and formatting. Not a big issue if you create your own documents from start to finish, but a real pain when having to edit multiple source documents created on different computers and combined into one document. Even the indication of where the style changes would be better than anything available now. As you state, it is easy to delete a graphic just because you are deleting some text that happened to include the insertion point for the graphic. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 12 05:08:56 + 2007 --- Yes, the Word Standard + 8pt in the font drop-down shows you what's cooking, OOo does this as well - just using 3 drop downs (Style, Font Fontsize). The only difference is it doesn't show how the current formatting differs from the style, as Word does (everything after the plus is an override). This is done expertly with WP-RC as you can see where the standard style begins ends, and all formatting overrides to any portion of text and / or graphics in between those tags, i.e. the 8pt overrides begin end tags. So you can see if your 8pt override goes to the next line or the next space or the next word or hafway into the next word (etc etc). If you want to start / stop the override somewhere else - you click drag. With Word / Writer you have to play around with selcting the text properly, and even then the formatting doesn't always do what you expect. For example you will not be able to see where a graphic has been inserted - so deleting some text may also (unexpectedly) delete the graphic. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Feb 10 10:52:56 + 2007 --- Even MS Word is here ahead of writer! Word shows hard formattings next to the style name. Have a look at the atatched screenshot Word_2003.png: Standard + 8 pt - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Feb 10 10:56:58 + 2007 --- But implementing a real reveal code feature like WP has is the better solution than Word. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 8 11:49:47 + 2007 --- *** Issue 74332 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 30 17:07:54 -0800 2007 --- Codes were the best thing ever, and it is what made WordPerfect one of the best word processors of all time. I still use it when possible, and it reminds me of the limitations of OpenOffice Writer. Codes allow the user much more power and contol over documents. They prevent mysterious documents- you can tell exactly what is happening. Even trying to determine which styles are in effect on something can be a challenge. This issue was opened almost five years ago and still marked as OOLater. Isn't it time to consider that now is later? OpenOffice is great, but it can always be better! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 30 21:18:01 -0800 2007 --- I agree wholeheartedly. If OOo is simply a replacement for MS Office, then fine you're just about there - you've got most of MS functionality and then some. But if you realy want to be top of the Office packages, then you'll have to look at others as well - MS never was the best and they're still a long way behind most (especially WP). Even since the DOS days (when Borland was still making WP 1980's) the reveal codes feature was there, as was styles, table generation, macros, autocorrect, gramatik check, phrase paragraph libraries, built-in metafile / graphics editor, etc. etc. MS at present still falls short on some of these concepts which is more than 20 years old - e.g. its Graphics editor is a joke (fortunately OOo has a true graphics editor in addition to the MS like objects). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 9 07:01:28 -0800 2007 --- Just come accross another problem in this regard. I've got a Heading2 as the first paragraph (or line) of a page. Included in this heading is an image (anchored to paragraph right justified). Now I want to insert a new page just before the current one. So I move the cursor to the very begining of the paragraph press CTRL-ENTER ... oh-no the image stays on the previous page - it doesn't move with the text. Ok ... ok I know I had to tell it to follow text in the image properties dialog. But with WP I could position the cursor just before the image tag in the RC box press CTRL-ENTER, even if the image was not set to move with paragraph. If I've just moved the cursor to the start of the paragraph the same behaviour would have occured. I.e. the RC gives a quick easy way of overriding the default image anchor operation. If you want to move the image just this once in OOo, you'll have to check the Follow text flow box first then modify your text then change it back - or you'll have to move the image seperately. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 9 07:02:25 -0800 2007 --- Just come accross another problem in this regard. I've got a Heading2 as the first paragraph (or line) of a page. Included in this heading is an image (anchored to paragraph right justified). Now I want to insert a new page just before the current one. So I move the cursor to the very begining of the paragraph press CTRL-ENTER ... oh-no the image stays on the previous page - it doesn't move with the text. Ok ... ok I know I had to tell it to follow text in the image properties dialog. But with WP I could position the cursor just before the image tag in the RC box press CTRL-ENTER, even if the image was not set to move with paragraph. If I've just moved the cursor to the start of the paragraph the same behaviour would have occured. I.e. the RC gives a quick easy way of overriding the default image anchor operation. If you want to move the image just this once in OOo, you'll have to check the Follow text flow box first then modify your text then change it back - or you'll have to move the image seperately. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 26 22:27:04 -0800 2006 --- I've been watching this topic for some time. What I've noticed is that the WP proponents haven't mentioned that WP has styles functionality (at least comparable to Word) - that is until erics mentioned that the Styles RC are complimentary rather than opponents. I was using styles extensively since the mid 90's, but can't imagine that I would like to not use RC as well. OOo pleasantly surprised me by including a more controllable comprehensive styles function, but I still miss the reveal codes - here's the reasons: 1. Doing a copy paste between documents (or even within the same document) you could easily select the text and miss an (or more) opening and / or closing format tag(s). When you now paste at a new position - this could cause format corruption. Try finding the offending (or rather half-done) code becomes a pain - especially if you've copied a large amount of text graphics. 2. As mentioned in a previous post - you could remove the formatting then re-do. Unfortunately this is a total waste of time, as the formatting could take much more out of your busy day than finding the offending tag deleting / editing it. I.e. instead of removing all formatting redoing - just repair the error - usually one or two tags, whereas redoing could become hundreds of user operations. 3. Has anyone ever tried adding text after a formatting end (say after a bold word)? With RC you can position the cursor to exactly where you want so that the bold is continued or not as per your desire - not the program's. 4. Creating page-breaks could cause formatting past the next page ... this I've found happens very often when using styles. Say you've got a Heading3 style on the first line of the next page. Whether the style itself places a page-break or you do it manually - OOo nearly always makes the last line on the current page also Heading3, and it's very difficult to remove. If you don't remove this Formatting you will then always end up with a large blank line at the end of the page - usually not a problem, but when you want to even out your pages this causes hassles. With WP's RC I could place the page-break exactly before the Heading3 tag all this would be sorted. 5. The biggest pro for RC to me, was the RC inside the style editor - as here you could place the formatting codes for that style in the correct order - as per the page-break in the previous point. In OOo you don't have that type of control. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 22 08:45:29 -0800 2006 --- I see this as a battle between those that find Styles to be the best and those that find Reveal Codes better. I find that Styles are nice and I do use them now that I am learning but I also find there are times that Reveal Codes would be a life saver. I believe that the inclusion of both would be a draw to those organizations that are WP based to OOo. Moving from Reveal Codes to Styles is no easy task. Finding ways of fixing weird formatting problems on imported or merged documents can be almost impossible without Reveal Codes. I know many that still use WordPerfect today in an organization that is almost exclusivly Word. Some are even moving to LaTeX over Word due to formatting issues. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 22 13:35:34 -0800 2006 --- I completely disagree with it being a battle between Styles and Reveal codes. It's not that at all. Using either one of them enhances the use of the other. I always use them both simultaneously. Styles are extremely useful in their rightful place, but a Reveal Codes feature can also always useful. In other words, Styles are not the right solution just to bold a single word; but I do use Reveal Codes to verify that the Bold On/Off codes are in the right place, for example, before a CR/LF or line break. I use Reveal Codes to help me see the Styles codes as well as any other code. Styles are used to group formatting codes together and reuse them for consistency. Editing a Style will change the formatting throughout the document where that Style is applied. Reveal Codes helps in troubleshooting to make sure all codes, including Styles, are placed correctly. These two features complement one another, but they in no way battle against each other. Yes, Reveal Codes should be added to OOO! Give me the control over my own document and allow me to place the codes where I want them, just as WordPerfect does. All it is, is like an HTML-code view of the document, so I can see where to put the opening and closing tags. It's THE standard for HTML, so why not in OOO? Can you imagine the adoption rate of the app when this feature is added? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3395] Reveal formatting codes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 6 04:00:01 -0700 2006 --- As an editor who has used the WordPerfect reveal codes function since it was launched I find it very useful and it prevented me moving to any other word processor. It is only because of a move to Linux that I am now using Open Office - and I really miss the reveal codes! I receive a lot of manuscripts from authors and need to be able to see the codes. But a problem is that many people who have never used WordPerfect have an incorrect impression of what the function is. It is not like looking inside the workings of the file and seeing a lot of source code or similar. Instead we see tags, such as an italics tag or bold tag. OOo people keep saying to use Stylist but that does not do the job. We are not talking here about styles but about viewing tags showing the presence of formatting - they might also show the presence of styles but they must reveal all formatting. It's more like looking at an HTML file but in a user-friendly way. Having the WP type of reveal codes in OOo would help bring in a lot of professional word processor users who hate MS Word and love WordPerfect! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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