[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-05-21 Thread mba
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |CLOSED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon May 21 08:01:51 + 
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Thanks for confirmation

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-05-20 Thread mixmaxtw
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|UNCONFIRMED   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |FIXED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 20 08:29:54 + 
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no further questions for now.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-05-16 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 16 14:09:36 + 
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@mixmaxtw: do you think that the mentioned specification leaves anything open?
Otherwise we should close this issue.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-26 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 26 12:01:41 + 
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I don't know if you made yourself understood in issue 7832.
Facts are: language attributes are character attributes and will stay so. This
is part of the ODF file format and won't be changed.

What we will change very soon is that using the character formatting will be the
only way to change the language attribute. We want to make it much easier and
more intuitive. You can read a first specification about the current work here:

http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/linguistic/Set_Language_Attribute_for_Text.odt

The most important part that will be implemented soon is the new "Language"
status bar control that will allow to set the lanuguage of arbitrary parts of
the document. IMHO this makes your issue obsolete.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-26 Thread bobharvey
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 26 11:40:41 + 
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I raised issue 7832, which was rejected.  This discussion is rather more learned
than mine, but I would like to remind those considering this issue of the
problems I discussed in the older one.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-25 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 25 08:36:51 + 
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Ah, now I see. You are talking about the language attribute or property. We
already support this. (BTW: the chapter numbers you gave are incorrect.)

You can assign a language (or better: a Locale) to the document, to a paragraph
or to an arbitraty part of a paragraph (down to a single character though that
doesn't make sense IMHO).

The way we are handling this in the GUI is a little bit awkward. First the
language of the whole document must be set in "Tools-Options-Language". This
should be changed and IIRC we already have several issues about that.

The case of language tags for text and paragraphs is more complicated.
As OOo and ODF treat this as a character attributes OOo lists them in the
"Format Character" and "Format Paragraph" dialogs and also the corresponding
"Modify style" dialogs. We are working on better ways to achieve that.

So if I see it correctly we can close this issue as the feature basically is
available and UI improvements are described in other issues. 

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-24 Thread mixmaxtw
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 25 01:45:06 + 
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Language tagging is actually already in the draft of the Open Document
specification V.1.2 (see here:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/22887/OpenDocument-v1.2-draft2.odt)

So, I hope by the time it's finalized, OO.o will release a new version with this
feature included soon after. ;)

(Actually, the Language and Country tags are already included in version 1.1.)

The draft version includes Language and Country tags (see: 3.1.5 and 14.9.3),
however, I would propose to also include Script tags, because certain languages
can be written in multiple scripts (e.g. Serbian, Japanese, Mandarin, Minnan),
so that different spell-checking directories might be needed.
I will propose this to the Technical Commitee of Oasis.

Also, I'm not sure if the language/country tag can be applied to independent
characters, or only on paragraph level. I would propose to implement it on
document, table, paragraph and character level.

Example:
in a text, which is tagged as en-US, the user wants to explain a french term.
So, the french term in that paragraph could be tagged as fr-FR. Then the
spell-checking algorithm would know that for the french term it should rather
use the french dictionary for spell-checking, than the US-English dictionary
like for the rest of the text.

Another expample for Script tagging:
In a Mandrin Chinese text written in Simplified Han script (Hans), the user
explains the pronunciation of some characters using Hanyu Pinyin (Latin script
-> Latn). By tagging it with the Latn script tag, the spell-checking algorithm
might want to look in the Mandarin Chinese dictionary for Latin script and check
if the Hanyu Pinyin sequence is actually correct.

And one more example for using Language/Script/Country tags together with fonts:
Supposed a CJKV font includes different variant glyphs used in different regions
and they are tagged as such: Now, a user wants to display the shape differences
in the different regions, by tagging a character (which would maybe normally
display in the traditional Chinese form as used in Hong Kong (zh-Hant-HK) with
the tag for traditional Chinese as used in Taiwan (zh-Hant-TW), the font
renderer should replace the glyph according to the corresponding GSUB table
entry in the font.
For this example I might post more information later.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-24 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 24 21:14:49 + 
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I'm not sure if it makes sense to assign this issue to "requirements" as first
we should clarify whether this is something we can implement at all. I'm not
sure if I understand correctly how this should look like.

Can you explain? How should something be attached and how does it look like? Can
you show some XML or pseudo XML do demonstrate it?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-24 Thread es
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 Assigned to|mru   |requirements

Target milestone|---   |OOo Later





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 24 11:20:51 + 
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Reassigned

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[sw-issues] [Issue 76647] Please support language ta gging on character, paragraph and document lev el

2007-04-24 Thread mixmaxtw
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 Issue #|76647
 Summary|Please support language tagging on character, paragrap
|h and document level
   Component|Word processor
 Version|OOo 2.2
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|editing
 Assigned to|mru
 Reported by|mixmaxtw





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 24 09:11:25 + 
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To be able to tell an application how to deal with a text, paragraph or
character in a document (e.g. alphabetical sorting, glyph rendering (GSUB)), it
should be possible to tag the desired character, paragraph or document with a
language tag, which is supposed to be stored in XML format in the file itself
(i.e.  ) where all ISO632-3 language tags should be selectable by
the user in an appropriate UI.

If a font contains a GSUB entry for that language tag, the GSUB entry should be
interpreted by the font renderer (for example a different glyph shape than 
normal).

If the text gets alphabetically sorted, the language tag tells the application
which Locale information to use for sorting the tagged text.

When using a dictionary to check for spelling errors in a text, the language tag
should tell the application which dictionary to use for the tagged text.

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