[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User fl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Keywords|accessibility | Target milestone|OOo 3.0 |OOo 3.x --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 14 14:46:55 + 2008 --- Removed keyword "accessibility", because this is not an accessibility issue. Behavior could be configured and context menu offers "Open Hyperlink" to follow link beside the Ctrl-Click behavior. Changed target to OOo 3.x. Most important seems to overwork the context menu and to offer edit, remove, open Hyperlink on top of the menu. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User mba changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,jolatt,|'eberlein,ericb,fl,jolatt, |laurentgodard,lh,mbayer,md|laurentgodard,lh,mba,mbaye |,mh,mru,oprobst,pjanik,reg|r,md,mh,mru,oprobst,pjanik |ina' |,regina' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User oprobst changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,jolatt,|'eberlein,ericb,fl,jolatt, |laurentgodard,lh,mbayer,md|laurentgodard,lh,mbayer,md |,mh,mru,pjanik,regina'|,mh,mru,oprobst,pjanik,reg | |ina' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 29 20:17:48 + 2007 --- It has already been suggested in issue 22133 to make an hyperlink editable via its context menu. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User fl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Target milestone|OOo 2.4 |OOo 3.0 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 7 09:21:24 + 2007 --- Issue #83402# will make the current ctrl-click behavior configurable for OOo 2.4. Ctrl-click behavior for Calc, Draw, Impress will be introduced and finalized for Writer using this issue in OOo 3.0 time frame. Therefore set target of this issue to 3.0. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 26 19:17:30 + 2007 --- I happen to think it's a very good change. When I'm editing a document, I want to edit the content. I've answered more than one forum question by users who weren't able to figure out how to change the text of a hyperlink and then didn't like the answer they were given. The focus to me in editing a document is on content. I don't need to be jumping links (except to test them) when I'm editing. However, in read-only I should be able to use the links, just like the document's audience would. And if the change was made for security reasons, I'm all for learning to live with it -- nevertheless, users should be given the option to take that security risk and change hyperlink behavior to jump around if they want to. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 23 21:16:10 + 2007 --- About the spec: 1.2.2 is inadequate. Actually, Default behaviour is what was explained, but there is an option to change it. And when you choose "click to follow", ctrl- click does not edit. It should not IMO, since then you MUST know how the option is set to act when in doubt. Editing should be given another shortcut, or use context menu. My 2 cents. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 4 22:11:25 + 2007 --- At a minimum, there should be an options to turn off the CTRL+click feature. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 25 14:34:47 + 2007 --- It is very strange, though, that the newly-implemented link to the extensions repository (issue 78209) in the extension manager works with a single click, not with Ctrl+click. This change leads to inconsistencies in the user interface. Replacing the link handling paradigm (i.e. "click") was an error in the first place. We should return ASAP to the pre-2.3 behaviour (and maybe use Ctrl+click for SEL instead). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 20 23:32:29 + 2007 --- Due to this unexpected change I stumbled over being unable to install dictionaries. In terms of Windows conformity a link is clickable to activate (not ctrl-clickable in this sense) I am displeased with this change and suggest to revert back at least in the Windows arena which clearly defines a link is clickable! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User jolatt changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,laurent|'eberlein,ericb,fl,jolatt, |godard,lh,mbayer,md,mh,mru|laurentgodard,lh,mbayer,md |,pjanik,regina' |,mh,mru,pjanik,regina' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User milek_pl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Keywords| |accessibility --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 28 12:16:00 + 2007 --- I think the specs ignore the accessibility problems: people with disabilities could have problems with clicking and using the keyboard at the same time. Is there a keyboard shortcut for using the hyperlink? I could not find it in OOo 2.3 (dev). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User laurentgodard changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay|'eberlein,ericb,fl,laurent |er,md,mh,mru,pjanik,regina|godard,lh,mbayer,md,mh,mru |' |,pjanik,regina' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 28 05:34:21 + 2007 --- "Additional comments from mru Wed Jul 25 13:17:41 + 2007 So please do not blame a change of "traditional" values we make as nonsense." I appreciate when developing breaks with antiquated values that actually do not make any sense. But is the funcionality of a link as everybody it knows really antiquated? We are all forced to learn every day for to be able to manage daily requirements. A lot of the learning time we spend concerns not a real "content" or "stuff" but only knowing how to handle programs and appliances without creating really important knowledge. "Traditions" are not only old-fashioned things but also facilitations. I think you would not like it if you'd have to inform you every time you take your car what are the acually meaning of red and green on traffic lights or if you should use the right or left side of the street. Cheers, Claudia - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 27 18:21:40 + 2007 --- This behavior is definitely not intended for non-document documents such as DicOOo (see issue #81065). The document will not work like a wizard anymore and users will be asking why is that. Note that wizards will never use those smart gadgets. The feature should be at least switchable: if there are smart tags in the document, turn this on, if there is no such thing, turn it silently off. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 13 14:25:17 + 2007 --- As side effect of reading comments in this issue, I think we can sometimes improve on the way we communicate, what, when and how we say/write things. That can lead to better understanding, better choises for the product. I'll see if I can have some exchange of ideas on this in Barcelona. And maybe open a separate issue later on ;-) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 8 08:33:41 + 2007 --- I'd like to add one more comment to mru's fine list of arguments (Jul 25) regarding the other applications: Calc and Impress handle hyperlinks as fields, therefore the text is not selectable, therefore there is no need to differentiate between 'execute link' and 'select text'. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 6 08:37:05 + 2007 --- Current spec describes what has been implemented for 2.3. Target of this issue is 2.4 and need further discussion with the iTeam. iTeam will be complete end of August due to vacation. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 2 15:39:30 + 2007 --- I agree with pjanik, especially - a left click on the hyperlink should follow the link - the behavior must be the same in the whole application Some comments on the spec: (1) The spec refers to issue 22133, however it doesn't solve that issue, because that issue is about a context menu for hyperlinks, which is not addressed in the spec yet. (2) The suggestion to expand the context menu in the way it is described in issue 22133 is a much better way to solve the problem of hyp/sel switch. A context menu has the great advantage that is can be reached without mouse. OOo claims to be usable with keyboard only. Such context menu would follow this aim, because not only editing but also following would be possible with keyboard. (3) Those, coming from Microsoft Office, know the context menu and will have no problem using hyperlinks in OOo. (4) The current way to edit a hyperlink is to use the _Insert_ menu. That is very bad UI design. The context menu is a well known way to edit things. (5) (section 1.2.2, 1.2.3) In Word 2007 you must not use crtl-click but you can configure the behavior. My suggestion is, to introduce such option in OOo too, with default to "click follows link" and "ctrl-click edits link". In environments, where it is a security problem, the admin can change it and instruct his users, why a hyperlink are not working like it does commonly. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 1 23:13:30 + 2007 --- Hi, Since others jumped in already after my question from 15:18:20, now I will also ask my other reg. the specs questions in this issue. I hope they can contribute to a right decission. Sect. 1 About the argument "Ease of use when editing documents." When www.thislink.org is a link in a Writer document and the text (click, type) is changed to www.thatlink.org, it will still point to thislink.org. So this ease of use is that the left mouse button can be used direct to set the cursor in the link (it is not necessary to use the key board ;-) or the control at the status bar). But couldn't "Ease of use when editing" be a nasty trap here? At the least, care must be taken of the details when explaining this. Sect. 2.1.1 Smart tags - how do they behave in MsWord (competitive analyses)? Are it the small tags that come up after for example pasting some rich content? In the smart tag-specs, I don't see a picture of how this looks like. (sect. 1 of that specs - "Mouse over shows a bubble help to guide the user to click Ctrl+left click to show the smart tag context menu.") I ask this, because I've no idea what is the use of Ctrl-Click on smart tags, in stead of just Click. (Haven't been able yet to try). Sect. 2.1.2 Foot notes. Here is choosen not to change the current behaviour. Is this because editing a footnote number is not relevant? And also because the way Word does it, is no improvement? Thanks - Cor - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 1 22:06:38 + 2007 --- I want to pick out one other point: The Spec claims that the "user is concentrated on editing documents not on browsing". It is strange, though, that the Shift+F5 magic was implemented because the user was concentrated on reading, not on editing, and hence needed always the very beginning of the document to be shown. (Maybe because he than can easily access the chapter he wants by a simple click on the corresponding line in the table of contents?) Let's think about our users for real, and not for excuse: They are used to links in both, browsers and OOo, but they maybe are not always aware about the HYP/SEL switch. So, something needs to be done to make editing (selecting) of links easier. But I don't see any good reason why we should change both, the features for selecting and browsing, if changing the features for selecting only would do the job - and with less spillover effects, on the top of everything. You can deduce from the fact that additional "magic" is about to be implemented, that changing the basic behavior of a link, that is: to work as a link, was not the best idea ever. Why making the program guess whether a user wants a link to work as a link or to be edited, if we can have a consistent and easy to understand solution, that even doesn't upset our regular customers? Why making links behave not only different from what they used to behave, but even different from module to module and from editable to non-editable sections? I agree with Pavel: Stick to the current (≤ 2.2.1) behavior for browsing (HYP), introduce Ctrl+Click (and/or context menu) for what used to be SEL. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User pjanik changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay |er,mru,pjanik,regina' |er,md,mh,mru,pjanik,regina | |' --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 1 20:53:56 + 2007 --- fl: 8) I have read the specs completely. Twice. I do not believe some parts... 1. Macromedia/Adobe DreamWeaver You forgot to add that they do not even *show* hyperlink as hyperlink in edit mode - I only see plain HTML there... Then we could also add that vi, Emacs DO NOT show hyperlinks as hyperlinks in edit mode thus we also DO NOT want to show hyperlinks as hyperlinks in edit mode as well! So this subsection doesn't make sense. 2. For part 2. I think we need a simple table: rows will contain what to do for: "edit hyperlink", "follow hyperlink" and columns: Writer, Writer (help), Writer (contents), Writer (readonly sections), Writer (readonly document) and the same for Calc and other apps. I have this table in my mind now. And believe me, it will be terrible... Right now, I finally feel what lead to the change of behavior. Now I also think it is needed. But it has to be done: - once - for everything - be consistent across OOo I have this in mind: - left click follows the link *everywhere*, *everytime* - tooltip shows the link target and tip to edit the link (if editable - thus not for RO docs, not for RO sections, not in help, ...). If the link/section/document is not editable, only the target of the link should be in the tip. - Ctrl-click edits the link, if allowed - Context menu contains "Edit link" [ - for 2.4 we will add a "security" - I call it "obscurity" option to swap the above mentioned behavior, thus with this obscurity option checked, clicking the link will edit it and Ctrl-clicking will follow it ] What do you think? mh, md: I consider this as a real problem, for *2.3*. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 1 19:18:41 + 2007 --- I would like to convey to you some ideas and feelings as an OOo non-IT specialized user, and after trying the Developer Snapshot Build SRC680_m223 and reading the first version of the hyperlinks spec document (http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/hyperlinks/Behavior_of_Hyperlinks_in_OOo_Documents.odt) 1. Ease of use and security when editing documents. 1.1. When I edit a document, I am concentrated in the subject I am writing on, and I do not want to be disturbed by the variegated behaviour of the program: if I want to go somewhere within OOo or out of it, I want to do that with the least effort and without having to think what kind of link I am facing to in order to determine how I have to adapt myself to the program (instead of the other way) through CTRLs, clicks and +s; otherwise, I would be distracted from my main task as a user. It should not matter the kind of link I click; I only want to be assured that if I click a link, I will go where the link tells me, no matter if it is a footnote, a reference, a TOC, a weblink, and so on. I think, in other words, that the best would be: what you click is what you get (WYCWYG; or what you get is what you click, WYGWYC; doesn't matter). 1.2. The browsers have just contributed with this (to use pjanik's expression) paradigm. I do not see why we should deprive ourselves of this advantage. Would it not be OK if people thought that OOo is as easy to use as a browser? Browsing and just clicking is precisely what I need to be able to concentrate on my task as user (behalve of course in case I am a typist), without being disturbed as I mentioned above. In other words, to be concentrated on editing the content of my document, I need to be able to browse. 2. The behaviour of hyperlinks in the different modules of MS Office. MS Office is, in this case, not a good reference at all. It is, on the contrary, simply a good example of what it is to be avoided. It looks like MS Office has not been able to completely strip itself of the legacy of the old Word Perfect: CTRL+some key, ALT+some key, CTRL+click, and so on, now even aggravated with the fact that the result changes according to the MS module! I think that these pairs (CTRL+.., etc.) are OK only as alternative shortcuts. 3. Informative tag above the hyperlinks When I was introduced a hyperlink in my document, the tag appeared only after I had clicked four or five times on the hyperlink. I was disconcerted, until I realised I was in the presence of a hyperlink; so concentrated I was on the editing of my document, that I had not thought I had to use CTRL+click instead of simply and automatically pressing my forefinger. The tag came as in slow motion when I was already beginning to simply use the Windows explorer to go directly to the referred file. But if the tag had appeared quickly, I think I would have found it a hindrance. I would briefly conclude: give me WYGWYC (or WYCWYG), no WYGWYCTR-click. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 1 15:18:20 + 2007 --- -> fl: thanks. Where can we go for a Q&A on this specs? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 1 14:33:09 + 2007 --- I have uploaded a first version of the spec. Have to look at some more products and discuss this with FME: http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/hyperlinks/Behavior_of_Hyperlinks_in_OOo_Documents.odt - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 31 12:08:50 + 2007 --- Hyperlinks to other documents in Developer Snapshot Build SRC680_m223, require CTRL+Click in Writer, but not in Calc. Does this mean that when the tabs in OOo are implemented we will have to CTRL+Click in one tab, and just Click in the next tab? What an innovative mess it would be! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 26 07:45:59 + 2007 --- ToCs are inserted in a read-only section by default, but this protection against changes can be removed by an option in the Index dialog. So it would work some times and some not. But as I said in #79438# I also think that this is an option. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User mmp changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay |er,mmp,mru,pjanik,regina' |er,mru,pjanik,regina' --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 25 16:31:59 + 2007 --- yes, in my opinion, links in read only mode (and read only sections like ToCs) should work with a single click. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User mru changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay|'eberlein,ericb,fl,lh,mbay |er,mmp,pjanik,regina' |er,mmp,mru,pjanik,regina' --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 25 13:48:14 + 2007 --- Adding myself to cc. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User mru changed the following: What|Old value |New value Assigned to|mru |fl Status|REOPENED |NEW --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 25 13:19:46 + 2007 --- MRU->FL: but what we could think about is, that in a TOC normally not external links are available, so maybe it's worth to think about keeping the old behavior in TOC's. Though the competitive analysis will point in a different direction... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 79950] hyperlinks in TOC don't wo rk with simple click; only CTRL-click works
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79950 User mru changed the following: What|Old value |New value Issue type|DEFECT|ENHANCEMENT Summary|hyperlinks in TOC don't wo|hyperlinks in TOC don't wo |rk|rk with simple click; only | | CTRL-click works Target milestone|--- |OOo 2.4 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 25 13:17:41 + 2007 --- We have implemented this because of the following reasons: - adapt to handling for Smart tags in Writer - ease of use: it is more easy now to edit a hyperlink; the "HYP/SEL" in the status bar is anything else than intuitive - Writer is a Word processor, not a browser. Edit functions are more desired than browsing features. - References are not affected - security issues - last but not least: competitive analysis, as FL already mentioned. So please do not blame a change of "traditional" values we make as nonsense. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
