[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 03:04:15 -0800 
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mh: only if they are free (like not the current ones)

For that matter, there was a mail exchange after I closed the Debian Bug#40132
after removing the non-free afms:

--- snip ---
Von: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Kopie: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Moritz 
Mühlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Package: openoffice.org
 Severity: serious

 From: Moritz Mühlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Potential non-free content in OpenOffice package
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:24:05 +0100

 Hi Rene, hi Chris,
 we noticed a potentially non-free file in the Debian Openoffice.org package 
in 
 sid: Courier-Bold.afm contains the following copyright header:

 |Comment Copyright (c) 1989 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All rights 
 reserved.

These are probably the same AFM files that were relicensed by Adobe in
the Public Domain (essentially) in spring.  They can be downloaded from
ftp://cam.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/adobe/afm/Adobe-Core35_AFMs-314.tar.gz.

The files still contain the All rights reserved header, but there's a
file MustRead.html which contains 

,
| This file and the 35 PostScript(R) AFM files it accompanies may be
| used, copied, and distributed for any purpose and without charge, with
| or without modification, provided that all copyright notices are
| retained; that the AFM files are not distributed without this file;
| that all modifications to this file or any of the AFM files are
| prominently noted in the modified file(s); and that this paragraph is
| not modified. Adobe Systems has no responsibility or obligation to
| support the use of the AFM files.
`

Some more information about the relicensing might be available in the
archives of tex-live, http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/. Werner LEMBERG
wl at gnu.org took care of that.

So it would not have been necessary to remove them, I think.

Regards, Frank
-- 
Dr. Frank Küster
Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. 
Zürich
Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
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--- snip ---
Von: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Kopie: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Moritz 
Mühlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2006 08:12 schrieben Sie:
 These are probably the same AFM files that were relicensed by Adobe in
 the Public Domain (essentially) in spring.  They can be downloaded from
 ftp://cam.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/adobe/afm/Adobe-Core35_AFMs-314.tar.gz.

No, they are not.

e.g:

~/OpenOffice.org/OOE680/psprint_config/configuration/afm$ md5sum 
Courier-Bold.afm
fc8048ff93479289d824937b25bea84c  Courier-Bold.afm
~/Adobe-Core35_AFMs-314 md5sum Courier-Bold.afm
58e0566c5e2a1a62756a57a100a62dc3  Courier-Bold.afm
~/Adobe-Core35_AFMs-229 md5sum Courier-Bold.afm
aa3007a9076dea36db4fabe2a36ed463  Courier-Bold.afm

But those files probably can be replaced by the new, apparently free ones.

 The files still contain the All rights reserved header, but there's a
 file MustRead.html which contains 
 
 ,
 | This file and the 35 PostScript(R) AFM files it accompanies may be
 | used, copied, and distributed for any purpose and without charge, with
 | or without modification, provided that all copyright notices are
 | retained; that the AFM files are not distributed without this file;
 | that all modifications to this file or any of the AFM files are
 | prominently noted in the modified file(s); and that this paragraph is
 | not modified. Adobe Systems has no responsibility or obligation to
 | support the use of the AFM files.
 `
 
 Some more information about the relicensing might be available in the
 archives of tex-live, http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/. Werner LEMBERG
 wl at gnu.org took care of that.
 
 So it would not have been necessary to remove them, I think.

Wrong. (See above). Of course, we could readd the new ones, but the old ones
had to be removed.

Regards,

Rene
-- 
 .''`.  René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer
 : :' : http://www.debian.org | http://people.debian.org/~rene/
 `. `'  [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GnuPG-Key ID: 248AEB73
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The solution here is to get that files, put it into an external project with 
license file, as mh says. So far for the afms.

What with the two PPDs?

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|mh|rene





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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|NEW   |STARTED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 06:36:41 -0800 
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doing this in cws freeafms (add the free afms, remove the two ppds)

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 07:44:40 -0800 
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I suggest leaving the PPD's in (hint do a grep Reserved * in the ppds
directory). You'd basically remove all of them besides SGENPRT.PS (which was
created by th at the time) and SGENT42.PS (which includes SGENPRT.PS).

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 07:47:38 -0800 
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hrm.. Damn grammar errors... I only grepped for reserved, iirc.

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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hrm.. Damn grammar errors... I only grepped for reserved, iirc.

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 07:49:49 -0800 
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ok, so we need another cws replacing also the ppds.

And I need to remove all of the ppds, too... *sigh*

$ apt-cache search ppds
foomatic-filters-ppds - linuxprinting.org printer support - prebuilt PPD files
hp-ppd - HP Postscript Printer Definition (PPD) files
hpijs-ppds - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - HPIJS PPD files
linuxprinting.org-ppds - linuxprinting.org printer support - PostScript PPD 
files

Can't we fetch/use the ppds from them? Or have the OOo PPDs something special?

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 07:52:06 -0800 
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Just an addition: the PPD files are needed in the non-CUPS case. In the CUPS
case the PPD file is either provided by the CUPS server or in case of failure to
do that SGENPRT.PS is used.

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread rene
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 07:57:38 -0800 
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OK, so I won't break CUPS with removing the ppds. That's good.

pl: any comment on my last comment? Can't we use/take the ppds from there?

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 08:03:35 -0800 
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(either by copying it into the tree or symlinking, the latter would require
psprint being able to handle gzip compressed ppds, though, too, afair)

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-06 Thread pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  6 08:13:03 -0800 
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The PPD's in OOo are not special, however they are not gziped. Support for that
however could be build int psprint/source/helper/ppdparser.hxx.

And since 680m173 we have a bugfixed version of LOPT614.PS which had an issue
with unclosed quotation marks.

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-04 Thread pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec  4 00:50:44 -0800 
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the afm files can be found at
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/type/win/all/afmfiles/ ; in the subdirectories of
base17 the files are located with their 8.3 conforming filenames (e.g. the
Courier* files are c??___.afm). I cannot see any special license there, which
would make their general license for the files on their ftp server apply (see
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/license.txt ). However that one is basically a non-liability
clause plus some standard requirements and mentions only software, not data
files, so i'm not sure what license implications that has, IANAL.

As for printing without them: you cannot use printer builtin fonts then; these
are the metrics for the standard PostScript fonts, on cannot really produce
PostScript text without them.

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-04 Thread mh
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What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|---   |OOo 2.x





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec  4 01:40:11 -0800 
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we need to move this stuff to external with separate packaging and license file.

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[util-issues] [Issue 72124] non-free fonts and ppds in psprint_config

2006-12-02 Thread rene
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What|Old value |New value

 Summary|non-free font(s) in psprin|non-free fonts and ppds in
|t_config  | psprint_config





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Dec  2 05:32:39 -0800 
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~/OpenOffice.org/OOE680/psprint_config/configuration/ppds$ grep reserved *
TK300PJ1.PS:*% Copyright (c) Tektronix, Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
TK300XJ1.PS:*% Copyright (c) Tektronix, Incorporated.  All rights reserved.

Bookman-Demi.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Bookman-Demi.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.ITC Bookman is a registered trademark of
International Typeface Corporation.
Bookman-DemiItalic.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Bookman-DemiItalic.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.ITC Bookman is a registered trademark of
International Typeface Corporation.
Bookman-Light.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Bookman-Light.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.ITC Bookman is a registered trademark of
International Typeface Corporation.
Bookman-LightItalic.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Bookman-LightItalic.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.ITC Bookman is a registered trademark of
International Typeface Corporation.
Courier.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All
rights reserved.
Courier.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All
rights reserved.
Courier-Bold.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1989 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All
rights reserved.
Courier-Bold.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1989 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All
rights reserved.
Courier-BoldOblique.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1989 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated. All rights reserved.
Courier-BoldOblique.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1989 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated. All rights reserved.
Courier-Oblique.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
All rights reserved.
Courier-Oblique.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
All rights reserved.
Helvetica.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Helvetica.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.Helvetica is a trademark of Linotype AG
and/or its subsidiaries.
Helvetica-Oblique.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Helvetica-Oblique.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.Helvetica is a trademark of Linotype AG
and/or its subsidiaries.
NewCenturySchlbk-Bold.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989 Adobe
Systems Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
NewCenturySchlbk-Bold.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989 Adobe
Systems Incorporated.  All rights reserved.New Century Schoolbook is a trademark
of Linotype AG and/or its subsidiaries.
NewCenturySchlbk-BoldItalic.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe
Systems Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
NewCenturySchlbk-BoldItalic.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe
Systems Incorporated.  All rights reserved.New Century Schoolbook is a trademark
of Linotype AG and/or its subsidiaries.
NewCenturySchlbk-Italic.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
NewCenturySchlbk-Italic.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.New Century Schoolbook is a trademark of
Linotype AG and/or its subsidiaries.
NewCenturySchlbk-Roman.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
NewCenturySchlbk-Roman.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.New Century Schoolbook is a trademark of
Linotype AG and/or its subsidiaries.
Symbol.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
Symbol.afm:Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
ZapfDingbats.afm:Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989 Adobe Systems
Incorporated.  All rights reserved.
ZapfDingbats.afm:Notice