Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-22 Thread Lee Revell
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 14:18 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >> (of course without taking into account the sata pb that's plaguing me
> >> ;-) )
> >
> > I'm afraid that is a hardware problem and there's no software solution.
> 
> :-(
> 
> The only way to be sure is to check how this stuff works with
> Windoze. This is going to take a while as I'm quite windows challenged
> ;-)

It could work on Windows and still be a hardware problem, just because
Linux might drive the hardware in a different (but correct) way.  For
example some people have "singing capacitors" under Linux but not
Windows because of the higher timer IRQ frequency of Linux combined with
poorly shielded motherboard components.

Lee


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-22 Thread Dominique Dumont
Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> (of course without taking into account the sata pb that's plaguing me
>> ;-) )
>
> I'm afraid that is a hardware problem and there's no software solution.

:-(

The only way to be sure is to check how this stuff works with
Windoze. This is going to take a while as I'm quite windows challenged
;-)

Thanks for your help.

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-14 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 22:40 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >> No you should use:
> >> 
> >>   ac3dec -C some_ac3_file.ac3
> >
> > No, that will decode the AC3 file on the host in software, what Nathan
> > wants to get working is AC3 passthrough, where the receiver does the AC3
> > decoding.
> 
> Sorry, I must respecfully disagree. I've just tried this command:
> 
> $ ac3dec -C en.ac3 
> Using PCM device 'plug:iec958:{AES0 0x2 AES1 0x82 AES2 0x0 AES3 0x2}'
> AC3 Stream 48.0 KHz 384 kbps
> 
> And I can see the dolby digital AC3 indication on the display of my
> Yamaha DSP-A1 amplifier which means the passthrough is workign fine.

Sorry, I didn't realize that ac3dec supports passthrough with the -C
switch.

> (of course without taking into account the sata pb that's plaguing me
> ;-) )

I'm afraid that is a hardware problem and there's no software solution.

Lee


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-14 Thread Dominique Dumont
Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> No you should use:
>> 
>>   ac3dec -C some_ac3_file.ac3
>
> No, that will decode the AC3 file on the host in software, what Nathan
> wants to get working is AC3 passthrough, where the receiver does the AC3
> decoding.

Sorry, I must respecfully disagree. I've just tried this command:

$ ac3dec -C en.ac3 
Using PCM device 'plug:iec958:{AES0 0x2 AES1 0x82 AES2 0x0 AES3 0x2}'
AC3 Stream 48.0 KHz 384 kbps

And I can see the dolby digital AC3 indication on the display of my
Yamaha DSP-A1 amplifier which means the passthrough is workign fine.
(of course without taking into account the sata pb that's plaguing me
;-) )

And iecset shows:

$ iecset
Mode: consumer
Data: non-audio
Rate: 48000 Hz
Copyright: protected
Emphasis: none
Category: PCM coder
Original: original
Clock: 1000 ppm


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-14 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 12:15 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> "Nathan A. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Does that mean I should do something like this:
> >
> > speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav
> >
> > where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?
> 
> No you should use:
> 
>   ac3dec -C some_ac3_file.ac3

No, that will decode the AC3 file on the host in software, what Nathan
wants to get working is AC3 passthrough, where the receiver does the AC3
decoding.

Lee


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-14 Thread Dominique Dumont
"Nathan A. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does that mean I should do something like this:
>
> speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav
>
> where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?

No you should use:

  ac3dec -C some_ac3_file.ac3

HTH  

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-14 Thread Prakash Punnoor
Am Samstag 14 Oktober 2006 05:09 schrieb Lee Revell:
> I'm not really a home theater expert, but the DVD standard is AC3 which
> is also known as DD.

DVD standard limits bitrate to 448kbits, though ac3 allows up to 640kbit.

> DTS is an older, less common format.

Nope, it's actually newer, but an optional format.

> I *think* that if AC3 passthrough works then DTS must work - it's just a
> matter of setting a non-audio bit on the stream.

Depends on the receiver. Some play the stream even if non-audio is not set. It 
could be that non-audio is not set, but receiver detects DTS but not DD if 
the non-audio bit isn't set. There exist DTS-Audio CDs, which means instead 
of PCM DTS streams are recorded as CDDA tracks. So here the receiver can't 
rely on the non-audio bit.

Cheers,
-- 
(°= =°)
//\ Prakash Punnoor /\\
V_/ \_V


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:52 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:39 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > I think that's a DTS/DD file.  Try this one:
> > 
> > http://downloads.lightspeed.cx/lynne/bjorn_lynne-secret_world_(surround_version).ac3
> First off
> 
> Nice song -- I might have to look for more of him/her.
> 
> Which points out that the file actually worked (and it does sound really
> nice).
> 
> So I must ask -- DD/DTS/AC3 are all forms of encoding surround sound.
> Is it typical that only AC3 works on our systems?  Is AC3 the DVD
> standard (I didn't think so...)?  

I'm not really a home theater expert, but the DVD standard is AC3 which
is also known as DD.  DTS is an older, less common format.  So you
should be able to play DVDs in surround.

I'm not sure why the other file didn't work.  It looks like mplayer
tried and failed to guess the file type?

I *think* that if AC3 passthrough works then DTS must work - it's just a
matter of setting a non-audio bit on the stream.

Lee


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:39 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:16 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > Playing SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav.
> > Audio file file format detected.
> > ==
> > Forced audio codec: hwac3
> > Cannot find codec for audio format 0x2001.
> > Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!
> > ==
> > Segmentation fault
> > 
> > remember: the test file is from 
> > http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445
> > which I found via a link out of an ALSA HOWTO
> > 
> 
> I think that's a DTS/DD file.  Try this one:
> 
> http://downloads.lightspeed.cx/lynne/bjorn_lynne-secret_world_(surround_version).ac3
First off

Nice song -- I might have to look for more of him/her.

Which points out that the file actually worked (and it does sound really
nice).

So I must ask -- DD/DTS/AC3 are all forms of encoding surround sound.
Is it typical that only AC3 works on our systems?  Is AC3 the DVD
standard (I didn't think so...)?  


Nasa

BTW: THANKS Lee, I appreciate your efforts and patience.


> 
> Lee
> 


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:16 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> Playing SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav.
> Audio file file format detected.
> ==
> Forced audio codec: hwac3
> Cannot find codec for audio format 0x2001.
> Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!
> ==
> Segmentation fault
> 
> remember: the test file is from 
> http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445
> which I found via a link out of an ALSA HOWTO
> 

I think that's a DTS/DD file.  Try this one:

http://downloads.lightspeed.cx/lynne/bjorn_lynne-secret_world_(surround_version).ac3

Lee


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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:06 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 21:48 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > BTW: using files from
> > http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445
> > 
> > I ran "aplay -v ..."  and got the following,
> > 
> > 
> > aplay -v SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav
> 
> Are you still testing AC3/DTS/etc passthrough?  aplay won't play those
> files.
> 
> What happens if you test AC3 passthrough using xine or mplayer as
> described in this article:
> 
> http://linuxgazette.net/118/knaggs.html
> 
> For example:
> 
> mplayer -ao alsa -ac hwac3 filename.ac3
> 
> Lee
> 
This is what happens...

mplayer -ao alsa -ac hwac3 SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav 
MPlayer 1.0pre8-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (Family: 15, Model:
75, Stepping: 2)
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled with runtime CPU detection.


93 audio & 211 video codecs
Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0
Setting up LIRC support...
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: Connection refused
Failed to open LIRC support.
You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav.
Audio file file format detected.
==
Forced audio codec: hwac3
Cannot find codec for audio format 0x2001.
Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!
==
Segmentation fault

remember: the test file is from 
http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445
which I found via a link out of an ALSA HOWTO

Nasa

> 
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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 21:48 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> BTW: using files from
> http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445
> 
> I ran "aplay -v ..."  and got the following,
> 
> 
> aplay -v SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav

Are you still testing AC3/DTS/etc passthrough?  aplay won't play those
files.

What happens if you test AC3 passthrough using xine or mplayer as
described in this article:

http://linuxgazette.net/118/knaggs.html

For example:

mplayer -ao alsa -ac hwac3 filename.ac3

Lee




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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 21:48 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 19:05 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 18:50 -0400, Gordon McLellan wrote:
> > > just to chime in ... I have a similar pioneer
> > > 
> > > look on your display, where the little digital / analog display box
> > > is.  when receiving a encoded pcm bitstream, the display will show:
> > > 
> > > DOLBY
> > > DIGITAL
> > > 
> > > or
> > > 
> > > DIGITAL
> > > DTS
> > > 
> > > depending on the encoding used... when a normal non-encoded pcm is
> > > received the indicator will just read DIGITAL
> > 
> > Thanks Gordon...
> > 
> > I am not getting AC3 info to my receiver...  I have never seen either of
> > those on my display  :{
> > 
> > Nasa
> 
> BTW: using files from
> http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445
> 
> I ran "aplay -v ..."  and got the following,
> 
> 
> aplay -v SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav 
> Playing WAVE 'SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian,
> Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
> Plug PCM: Rate conversion PCM (48000, sformat=S16_LE)
> Its setup is:
>   stream   : PLAYBACK
>   access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
>   format   : S16_LE
>   subformat: STD
>   channels : 2
>   rate : 44100
>   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
>   msbits   : 16
>   buffer_size  : 15052
>   period_size  : 940
>   period_time  : 21333
>   tick_time: 0
>   tstamp_mode  : NONE
>   period_step  : 1
>   sleep_min: 0
>   avail_min: 940
>   xfer_align   : 940
>   start_threshold  : 15040
>   stop_threshold   : 15052
>   silence_threshold: 0
>   silence_size : 0
>   boundary : 986447872
> Slave: Soft volume PCM
> Control: PCM Playback Volume
> min_dB: -51
> resolution: 256
> Its setup is:
>   stream   : PLAYBACK
>   access   : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
>   format   : S16_LE
>   subformat: STD
>   channels : 2
>   rate : 48000
>   exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
>   msbits   : 16
>   buffer_size  : 16384
>   period_size  : 1024
>   period_time  : 21333
>   tick_time: 0
>   tstamp_mode  : NONE
>   period_step  : 1
>   sleep_min: 0
>   avail_min: 1024
>   xfer_align   : 1024
>   start_threshold  : 16384
>   stop_threshold   : 16384
>   silence_threshold: 0
>   silence_size : 0
>   boundary : 1073741824
> Slave: Direct Stream Mixing PCM
> Its setup is:
>   stream   : PLAYBACK
>   access   : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
>   format   : S16_LE
>   subformat: STD
>   channels : 2
>   rate : 48000
>   exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
>   msbits   : 16
>   buffer_size  : 16384
>   period_size  : 1024
>   period_time  : 21333
>   tick_time: 0
>   tstamp_mode  : NONE
>   period_step  : 1
>   sleep_min: 0
>   avail_min: 1024
>   xfer_align   : 1024
>   start_threshold  : 16384
>   stop_threshold   : 16384
>   silence_threshold: 0
>   silence_size : 0
>   boundary : 1073741824
> Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA NVidia' device 0 subdevice 0
> Its setup is:
>   stream   : PLAYBACK
>   access   : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
>   format   : S16_LE
>   subformat: STD
>   channels : 2
>   rate : 48000
>   exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
>   msbits   : 16
>   buffer_size  : 16384
>   period_size  : 1024
>   period_time  : 21333
>   tick_time: 4000
>   tstamp_mode  : NONE
>   period_step  : 1
>   sleep_min: 0
>   avail_min: 1024
>   xfer_align   : 1024
>   start_threshold  : 1
>   stop_threshold   : 1073741824
>   silence_threshold: 0
>   silence_size : 1073741824
>   boundary : 1073741824
> 
> >From looking at this aplay played this files as stereo (2 channel) --
> which doesn't seem right.  Why would it do that?
> 
> It has a slightly different output when I do the following:
> 
> aplay -v -Dplug:iec958 SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav 
> Playing WAVE 'SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian,
> Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
> Plug PCM: Hooks PCM
> Its setup is:
>   stream   : PLAYBACK
>   access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
>   format   : S16_LE
>   subformat: STD
>   channels : 2
>   rate : 44100
>   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
>   msbits   : 16
>   buffer_size  : 16384
>   period_size  : 4096
>   period_time  : 92879
>   tick_time: 4000
>   tstamp_mode  : NONE
>   period_step  : 1
>   sleep_min: 0
>   avail_min: 4096
>   xfer_align   : 4096
>   start_threshold  : 16384
>   stop_threshold   : 16384
>   silence_threshold: 0
>   silence_size : 0
>   boundary : 1073741824
> Slave: Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA NVidia' device 1 subdevice 0
> Its setup is:
>   stream   : PLAYBACK
>   access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
>   format   : S16_LE
>   subformat: STD
>   channels : 2
>   rate : 44100
>   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
>   msbits   : 16
>   buffer_size  : 16384
>   period_size  : 4096
>   period_time  : 92879
>   tick_time: 4000
>   tstamp_mode  : NONE
>   period_step  : 1
>   sleep_min: 0
>   avail_min: 4096
>   xfer_align   

Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 19:05 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 18:50 -0400, Gordon McLellan wrote:
> > just to chime in ... I have a similar pioneer
> > 
> > look on your display, where the little digital / analog display box
> > is.  when receiving a encoded pcm bitstream, the display will show:
> > 
> > DOLBY
> > DIGITAL
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > DIGITAL
> > DTS
> > 
> > depending on the encoding used... when a normal non-encoded pcm is
> > received the indicator will just read DIGITAL
> 
> Thanks Gordon...
> 
> I am not getting AC3 info to my receiver...  I have never seen either of
> those on my display  :{
> 
> Nasa

BTW: using files from
http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/index.asp?programid=2445

I ran "aplay -v ..."  and got the following,


aplay -v SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav 
Playing WAVE 'SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian,
Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
Plug PCM: Rate conversion PCM (48000, sformat=S16_LE)
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat: STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 44100
  exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 15052
  period_size  : 940
  period_time  : 21333
  tick_time: 0
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  period_step  : 1
  sleep_min: 0
  avail_min: 940
  xfer_align   : 940
  start_threshold  : 15040
  stop_threshold   : 15052
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 0
  boundary : 986447872
Slave: Soft volume PCM
Control: PCM Playback Volume
min_dB: -51
resolution: 256
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat: STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 48000
  exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 16384
  period_size  : 1024
  period_time  : 21333
  tick_time: 0
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  period_step  : 1
  sleep_min: 0
  avail_min: 1024
  xfer_align   : 1024
  start_threshold  : 16384
  stop_threshold   : 16384
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 0
  boundary : 1073741824
Slave: Direct Stream Mixing PCM
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat: STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 48000
  exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 16384
  period_size  : 1024
  period_time  : 21333
  tick_time: 0
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  period_step  : 1
  sleep_min: 0
  avail_min: 1024
  xfer_align   : 1024
  start_threshold  : 16384
  stop_threshold   : 16384
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 0
  boundary : 1073741824
Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA NVidia' device 0 subdevice 0
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat: STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 48000
  exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 16384
  period_size  : 1024
  period_time  : 21333
  tick_time: 4000
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  period_step  : 1
  sleep_min: 0
  avail_min: 1024
  xfer_align   : 1024
  start_threshold  : 1
  stop_threshold   : 1073741824
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 1073741824
  boundary : 1073741824

>From looking at this aplay played this files as stereo (2 channel) --
which doesn't seem right.  Why would it do that?

It has a slightly different output when I do the following:

aplay -v -Dplug:iec958 SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav 
Playing WAVE 'SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian,
Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
Plug PCM: Hooks PCM
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat: STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 44100
  exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 16384
  period_size  : 4096
  period_time  : 92879
  tick_time: 4000
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  period_step  : 1
  sleep_min: 0
  avail_min: 4096
  xfer_align   : 4096
  start_threshold  : 16384
  stop_threshold   : 16384
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 0
  boundary : 1073741824
Slave: Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA NVidia' device 1 subdevice 0
Its setup is:
  stream   : PLAYBACK
  access   : RW_INTERLEAVED
  format   : S16_LE
  subformat: STD
  channels : 2
  rate : 44100
  exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
  msbits   : 16
  buffer_size  : 16384
  period_size  : 4096
  period_time  : 92879
  tick_time: 4000
  tstamp_mode  : NONE
  period_step  : 1
  sleep_min: 0
  avail_min: 4096
  xfer_align   : 4096
  start_threshold  : 16384
  stop_threshold   : 16384
  silence_threshold: 0
  silence_size : 0
  boundary : 107374182

notice the different rates

Any ideas?

Nasa

>  
> > gordon
> > 
> > On 10/13/06, Nathan A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:39 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > > > Does the receiver indicate an 

Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 18:50 -0400, Gordon McLellan wrote:
> just to chime in ... I have a similar pioneer
> 
> look on your display, where the little digital / analog display box
> is.  when receiving a encoded pcm bitstream, the display will show:
> 
> DOLBY
> DIGITAL
> 
> or
> 
> DIGITAL
> DTS
> 
> depending on the encoding used... when a normal non-encoded pcm is
> received the indicator will just read DIGITAL

Thanks Gordon...

I am not getting AC3 info to my receiver...  I have never seen either of
those on my display  :{

Nasa
> 
> gordon
> 
> On 10/13/06, Nathan A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:39 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > > Does the receiver indicate an AC3 signal rather than standard PCM?
> > > > No, nothing visibile on my receiver.
> > >
> > > Do you mean the receiver has no way to display whether it's receiving
> > > PCM or AC3, or that the indicator is not active?
> > >
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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Gordon McLellan
just to chime in ... I have a similar pioneer

look on your display, where the little digital / analog display box
is.  when receiving a encoded pcm bitstream, the display will show:

DOLBY
DIGITAL

or

DIGITAL
DTS

depending on the encoding used... when a normal non-encoded pcm is
received the indicator will just read DIGITAL

gordon

On 10/13/06, Nathan A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:39 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > Does the receiver indicate an AC3 signal rather than standard PCM?
> > > No, nothing visibile on my receiver.
> >
> > Do you mean the receiver has no way to display whether it's receiving
> > PCM or AC3, or that the indicator is not active?
> >

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:39 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > Does the receiver indicate an AC3 signal rather than standard PCM?
> > No, nothing visibile on my receiver. 
> 
> Do you mean the receiver has no way to display whether it's receiving
> PCM or AC3, or that the indicator is not active?
> 

The receiver I have is:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Pioneer_VSX_816_K/4505-6466_7-31848960.html

I don't have the instructions right now, as I am still moving into my
new place.  It's surely in one of these boxes

Nasa

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:39 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > Does the receiver indicate an AC3 signal rather than standard PCM?
> No, nothing visibile on my receiver. 

Do you mean the receiver has no way to display whether it's receiving
PCM or AC3, or that the indicator is not active?

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:05 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:52 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:34 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 09:56 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 04:10 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > > > Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The
> > > > > > way we were testing this is 
> > > > > > with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > same for this motherboard).
> > > > > > I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
> > > > > > from anything else.   
> > > > > 
> > > > > SPDIF only supports 2 channels unless the signal is AC3-encoded.
> > > > Thanks for the reply Lee,
> > > > 
> > > > Does that mean I should do something like this:
> > > > 
> > > > speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav
> > > > 
> > > > where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?
> > > 
> > > I don't know if speaker-test will play AC3 encoded files.  Try xine or
> > > mplayer.
> > Damn,
> > 
> > No love at all  Sound from Left and right speakers, but nothing
> > else.  How do I troubleshoot this?
> 
> Does the receiver indicate an AC3 signal rather than standard PCM?
No, nothing visibile on my receiver.

> 
> IIRC AC3 passthrough might not work on nvidia chipsets due to a
> proprietary hardware implementation, but it might have changed.

Anywhere I could look to see if that's true or not?  (hopefully it's not
but I would like to check).

Nasa
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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:52 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:34 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 09:56 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 04:10 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > > Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The
> > > > > way we were testing this is 
> > > > > with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are the
> > > > > same for this motherboard).
> > > > > I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
> > > > > from anything else.   
> > > > 
> > > > SPDIF only supports 2 channels unless the signal is AC3-encoded.
> > > Thanks for the reply Lee,
> > > 
> > > Does that mean I should do something like this:
> > > 
> > > speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav
> > > 
> > > where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?
> > 
> > I don't know if speaker-test will play AC3 encoded files.  Try xine or
> > mplayer.
> Damn,
> 
> No love at all  Sound from Left and right speakers, but nothing
> else.  How do I troubleshoot this?

Does the receiver indicate an AC3 signal rather than standard PCM?

IIRC AC3 passthrough might not work on nvidia chipsets due to a
proprietary hardware implementation, but it might have changed.

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:34 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 09:56 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 04:10 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The
> > > > way we were testing this is 
> > > > with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are the
> > > > same for this motherboard).
> > > > I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
> > > > from anything else.   
> > > 
> > > SPDIF only supports 2 channels unless the signal is AC3-encoded.
> > Thanks for the reply Lee,
> > 
> > Does that mean I should do something like this:
> > 
> > speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav
> > 
> > where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?
> 
> I don't know if speaker-test will play AC3 encoded files.  Try xine or
> mplayer.
Damn,

No love at all  Sound from Left and right speakers, but nothing
else.  How do I troubleshoot this?

Nasa

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 16:34 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 09:56 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 04:10 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The
> > > way we were testing this is 
> > > with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are the
> > > same for this motherboard).
> > > I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
> > > from anything else.   
> > 
> > SPDIF only supports 2 channels unless the signal is AC3-encoded.
> Thanks for the reply Lee,
> 
> Does that mean I should do something like this:
> 
> speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav
> 
> where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?

I don't know if speaker-test will play AC3 encoded files.  Try xine or
mplayer.

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 09:56 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 04:10 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The
> > way we were testing this is 
> > with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are the
> > same for this motherboard).
> > I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
> > from anything else.   
> 
> SPDIF only supports 2 channels unless the signal is AC3-encoded.
Thanks for the reply Lee,

Does that mean I should do something like this:

speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6 -w SURROUNDTEST_011212.wav

where the wav file is a ac3 encoded file?

Nasa

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Re: [Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 04:10 -0400, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The
> way we were testing this is 
> with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are the
> same for this motherboard).
> I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
> from anything else.   

SPDIF only supports 2 channels unless the signal is AC3-encoded.

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[Alsa-user] Surround sound via optical spdif out

2006-10-13 Thread Nathan A. Smith
Hi,

I am running a mythtv box based on Mandriva 2007 on a AMD 3200xp (Dual
core) on an AM2 chipset.  I am attempting to get surround sound audio out to my 
stereo
via an optical s/pidf cable.  
 
With some help from kirberich && crimsum I adjusted the model= line in my 
modprobe.conf
and applied the patch from 
http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel?cmd=changeset;node=e51177a60747522a60bc1599aa5b2db22d4770a4;style=gitweb

Unfortunately, I still am unable to get surround sound to work.  The way we 
were testing this is 
with "speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6" (note:  iec958 and spdif are the same for 
this motherboard).
I am getting sound from my left and right speakers, but nothing 
from anything else.  

So any more troubleshooting help would be greatly appreciated.

Nasa


Here comes the system info:
 
uname -a
Linux mythtv 2.6.17-5mdv #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 14:32:31 EDT 2006 i686 AMD
Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ GNU/Linux
 
ALSA version 1.0.13

/sbin/lsmod|grep '^snd' 
snd_seq_dummy   3716  0 
snd_seq_oss33152  0 
snd_seq_midi_event  7072  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq49488  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device  7212  3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss40576  0 
snd_mixer_oss  16096  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_hda_intel  16440  0 
snd_hda_codec 167072  1 snd_hda_intel
snd_pcm70116  3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
snd_timer  19620  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc  8712  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd47972  10 
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_intel
 
 aplay -l
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
 
scanpci:
...
pci bus 0x cardnum 0x06 function 0x01: vendor 0x10de device 0x0371
 nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio
 
Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
  Capabilities: pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback [on]
  Front Right: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Front',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Front Mic',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Surround',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Center',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'LFE',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Line',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'CD',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
  Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 31
  Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-12.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-12.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',1
  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 31
  Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-12.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-12.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line' 'CD'
  Item0: 'L