Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Le Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:13:53 +0930, Arthur Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I have a PII-266 with Intel 440LX chipset, 256 MiB RAM, and SB Live! 5.1 model 0220 sound card which has the EMU10K1 chipset. I'm running Debian Sid with 2.6.17-686 kernel. lspci reports: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440LX/EX - 82443LX/EX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440LX/EX - 82443LX/EX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01) 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) 00:08.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 0a) 00:0a.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 00:0a.1 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 00:0a.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5465 [Laguna] (rev 03) I like to record from line-in and mic-in, playback in stereo, and play MIDI files with the on-board synth (this machine is too slow for timidity). While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? An emu10k1 sound card must do it just fine, I think at you have a hardware problem or a bad configuration. You have 256Mb ram, how big is the soundfont? Harddisk activity can come from swaping, so which wm are you using? I would use a light one as fluxbox or xfwm with so little ram. Are you sure at the program you are using is configured to use the synth in the emu10k1 and not a softsynth? lock-up - check which modules are loaded, if the soundfont is loaded and the IRQs. # lsmod | grep snd # asfxload your-soundfont.sf2 # cat /proc/interrupts Dominique Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Dominique Michel wrote: While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? An emu10k1 sound card must do it just fine, I think at you have a hardware problem or a bad configuration. You have 256Mb ram, how big is the soundfont? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7557598 2005-12-26 13:03 8mbgmsfx.sf2 The sound font loads onto the sound card, so isn't resident in main RAM. Harddisk activity can come from swaping, so which wm are you using? I've reproduced the problem under kwin, twm and no window manager. I would use a light one as fluxbox or xfwm with so little ram. Are you sure at the program you are using is configured to use the synth in the emu10k1 and not a softsynth? Yes, running aplaymidi -p17:0, playmidi -a and kmid using port 17:0 $ aplaymidi -l PortClient name Port name 14:0Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 16:0EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) 17:0Emu10k1 WaveTableEmu10k1 Port 0 17:1Emu10k1 WaveTableEmu10k1 Port 1 17:2Emu10k1 WaveTableEmu10k1 Port 2 17:3Emu10k1 WaveTableEmu10k1 Port 3 lock-up - check which modules are loaded, if the soundfont is loaded and the IRQs. # lsmod | grep snd # asfxload your-soundfont.sf2 # cat /proc/interrupts Dominique As previously mentioned, I can cause the lock-up even without any graphical desktop loaded. $ lsmod|grep snd snd_emu10k1_synth 6912 0 snd_emux_synth 30496 1 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_virmidi 6912 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi_emul 5920 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_dummy 3812 0 snd_seq_oss28672 0 snd_seq_midi8128 0 snd_seq_midi_event 6976 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq46224 9 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_emu10k1 101444 2 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_rawmidi22560 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi,snd_emu10k1 snd_ac97_codec 82720 1 snd_emu10k1 snd_ac97_bus2368 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss35936 0 snd_mixer_oss 15872 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm74500 3 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_device 7756 8 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi snd_timer 20836 3 snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9512 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd_util_mem4608 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_hwdep 8676 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd48100 15 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep soundcore 9216 1 snd asfxload is working correctly - the MIDI playback is silent if I omit asfxload between boot-up and attempting to play MIDI files. $ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 14821358 XT-PIC timer 1: 15016 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 7: 1 XT-PIC parport0 8: 4 XT-PIC rtc 10: 122818 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, eth0 11: 1638 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb4, EMU10K1 12: 186965 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb1 14:6970023 XT-PIC ide0 15: 879896 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 Others have reported the problem at https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 so I don't think that it's a problem unique to me. Regards... Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Le Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:40:41 +0930, Arthur Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Dominique Michel wrote: While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? An emu10k1 sound card must do it just fine, I think at you have a hardware problem or a bad configuration. You have 256Mb ram, how big is the soundfont? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7557598 2005-12-26 13:03 8mbgmsfx.sf2 Will be fine, the emu110k1 can use bigger soundfont, but you must first get it to work. The sound font loads onto the sound card, so isn't resident in main RAM. Wrong, the sound card use ram memory. $ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 14821358 XT-PIC timer 1: 15016 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 7: 1 XT-PIC parport0 8: 4 XT-PIC rtc 10: 122818 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, eth0 11: 1638 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb4, EMU10K1 12: 186965 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb1 14:6970023 XT-PIC ide0 15: 879896 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 Here is your problem. The emu10k1 share the same IRQ as the usb, and it is very bad. The emu10k1 must be on its own IRQ. You must check in the bios if you can assign the IRQ and/or move the card in another slot. You can also try to use the APIC interface in the kernel, but it will be better to get ride of this problem at the PIC level. You can read this if you want to know more about this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/hardware-stability-p2.xml#doc_chap2 Dominique Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Dominique Michel wrote: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7557598 2005-12-26 13:03 8mbgmsfx.sf2 Will be fine, the emu110k1 can use bigger soundfont, but you must first get it to work. The sound font loads onto the sound card, so isn't resident in main RAM. Wrong, the sound card use ram memory. I didn't know that. $ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 14821358 XT-PIC timer 1: 15016 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 7: 1 XT-PIC parport0 8: 4 XT-PIC rtc 10: 122818 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, eth0 11: 1638 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb4, EMU10K1 12: 186965 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb1 14:6970023 XT-PIC ide0 15: 879896 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 Here is your problem. The emu10k1 share the same IRQ as the usb, and it is very bad. The emu10k1 must be on its own IRQ. You must check in the bios if you can assign the IRQ and/or move the card in another slot. You can also try to use the APIC interface in the kernel, but it will be better to get ride of this problem at the PIC level. You can read this if you want to know more about this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/hardware-stability-p2.xml#doc_chap2 Thanks for the link. I tried the suggestions and ended up with: $ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 100423 XT-PIC timer 1:121 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 5:455 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2 7: 2 XT-PIC parport0 8: 4 XT-PIC rtc 10:655 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1, ohci_hcd:usb3, eth0 11: 2 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb4 12:413 XT-PIC EMU10K1 14: 395118 XT-PIC ide0 15: 4406 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 but can still reproduce the lockup in single user mode by running playmidi -a somefile.mid and then running a disk intensive program like mandb at the same time. I also disabled IDE block mode in the BIOS. I'll look a few hard disk settings in the meantime. Regards... Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Arthur Marsh wrote: While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? That lock-up seems to be a bug in the ALSA core, not in the Emu10k1 driver. Regards, Clemens Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 12:00 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote: Here is your problem. The emu10k1 share the same IRQ as the usb, and it is very bad. The emu10k1 must be on its own IRQ. You must check in the bios if you can assign the IRQ and/or move the card in another slot. You can also try to use the APIC interface in the kernel, but it will be better to get ride of this problem at the PIC level. This is not the problem at all. PCI devices are allowed to share IRQs. The problem is a bug in the emu10k1 MIDI driver. Lee Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 15:37 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Arthur Marsh wrote: While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? That lock-up seems to be a bug in the ALSA core, not in the Emu10k1 driver. Arthur, There's a patch from tiwai attached to bug #952 now, can you try it? Lee Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Lee Revell wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 15:37 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Arthur Marsh wrote: While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? That lock-up seems to be a bug in the ALSA core, not in the Emu10k1 driver. Arthur, There's a patch from tiwai attached to bug #952 now, can you try it? Lee I just tried the Debian packages built from the patch and received the same lock-ups both in single user mode and with KDE running if there was significant hard disk activity )-:. Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] need mic-in, line-in, line out, hardware MIDI, have SB Live! 5.1 0220 (EMU10K1)
Arthur Marsh wrote: Lee Revell wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 15:37 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Arthur Marsh wrote: While all the above functions work, MIDI playback whilst there is significant hard disk activity causes a complete system lock-up )-: (see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=952 ). Can anyone suggest a known good sound card for hardware MIDI playback, mic and line in that doesn't cause a system lock-up like reported with the EMU10K1 based cards? That lock-up seems to be a bug in the ALSA core, not in the Emu10k1 driver. Arthur, There's a patch from tiwai attached to bug #952 now, can you try it? Lee I just tried the Debian packages built from the patch and received the same lock-ups both in single user mode and with KDE running if there was significant hard disk activity )-:. To answer my own question, when I tried kernel 2.6.16-2-686 (uni processor) on Debian unstable instead of the 2.6.17-686 kernel on Debian unstable, the problem disappeared. (Note that the 2.6.17-686 kernel is SMP-aware). So the problem seems to either be having 2.6.17 kernel or an SMP kernel in combination with the EMU10K1 playing MIDI files under heavy disk activity. Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
