Re: [alto] ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team

[Kyle Jamieson]

Hi all- thanks for the discussion this week, we think there’s really relevant work in this area and there’s a good synergy between the work that we’re all doing.  What’s a good next step from the ALTO group’s perspective and/or the broader IETF’s perspective- should we think about writing up NG-Scope’s capabilities into a draft form, and/or Yaxiong presenting at IETF 114? Kyle From: Jordi Ros Giralt Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 01:44To: Y. Richard Yang , ky...@cs.princeton.edu , Jennifer Rexford , Yaxiong Xie , Qin (Bill) Wu , Yannis (Yunfei) Zhang , alto@ietf.org Subject: Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC teamHi all, Many thanks Mahdi for taking the meeting minutes yesterday.  All, please find Mahdi's notes here and let us know if you'd like to add anything: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/blob/main/meetings-ietf-alto/ietf-alto-2022.md Thank you all for participating in a very productive meeting. We look forward to continuing conversations on this important topic throughout the next weeks and as we go into the IETF 114 Meeting in July. Regards,Jordi on behalf of ALTO From: Y. Richard Yang Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 16:27To: ky...@cs.princeton.edu ; Jennifer Rexford ; Yaxiong Xie ; Qin (Bill) Wu ; Jordi Ros Giralt ; Yannis (Yunfei) Zhang Subject: Fwd: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team  WARNING: This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros.Hi Kyle, Jen, Yaxiong,  We will use WebEx for the meeting tomorrow at 9 AM ET:JOIN WEBEX MEETINGhttps://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=ma0e97cc97c4cd71bb59cf1a094682686Meeting number (access code): 2424 884 8159 The goal of this initial meeting is to explore feasibility. We will give a quick overview of the current ALTO information structure. Then we can discuss how your work may be exposed to applications using standards to maximize its impact. If you want to go over your work and the latest updates before the discussion, please feel free to do so. We target a total of 45 mins. Below is a short email that we sent to the ALTO working group.Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow. Richard -- Forwarded message -From: Y. Richard Yang <y...@cs.yale.edu>Date: Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:19 AMSubject: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC teamTo: IETF ALTO <alto@ietf.org> Hi ALTO group,  We will meet with the PBE-CC team (Kyle Jamieson, Jen Rexford, and Yaxiong Xie, all from Princeton) tomorrow at 9:00 AM US ET to discuss the possibility of exposing more network information for applications.  The direct relevant paper is:https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.03475 Another related work:https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3405672.3409489 One "grand" scheme is network information exposure from control channel, data channel, and control channel embedded in the data channel, e.g.,https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc/ The meeting info is at the bottom of this page. Looking forward to see the design team and more tomorrow. - Richard on behalf of the meeting organizersJOIN WEBEX MEETINGhttps://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=ma0e97cc97c4cd71bb59cf1a094682686Meeting number (access code): 2424 884 8159Meeting password: ymKtkapb394TAP TO JOIN FROM A MOBILE DEVICE (ATTENDEES ONLY)+1-650-479-3208,,24248848159## tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*24248848159%23%23*01* Call-in toll number (US/Canada)JOIN BY PHONE1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)Global call-in numbershttps://ietf.webex.com/ietf/globalcallin.php?MTID=mb80643ae6bba4f3cf51f1b5918b3ce49JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATIONDial sip:24248848...@ietf.webex.comYou can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number.Can't join the meeting?https://collaborationhelp.cisco.com/article/WBX29055IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this Webex service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the session.
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Re: [alto] ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team

[Jordi Ros Giralt]

Hi all,

Many thanks Mahdi for taking the meeting minutes yesterday.

All, please find Mahdi's notes here and let us know if you'd like to add 
anything: 
https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/blob/main/meetings-ietf-alto/ietf-alto-2022.md

Thank you all for participating in a very productive meeting. We look forward 
to continuing conversations on this important topic throughout the next weeks 
and as we go into the IETF 114 Meeting in July.

Regards,
Jordi on behalf of ALTO


From: Y. Richard Yang 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 16:27
To: ky...@cs.princeton.edu ; Jennifer Rexford 
; Yaxiong Xie ; Qin (Bill) Wu 
; Jordi Ros Giralt ; Yannis (Yunfei) 
Zhang 
Subject: Fwd: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team


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Hi Kyle, Jen, Yaxiong,

We will use WebEx for the meeting tomorrow at 9 AM ET:
JOIN WEBEX MEETING
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Meeting number (access code): 2424 884 8159

The goal of this initial meeting is to explore feasibility. We will give a 
quick overview of the current ALTO information structure. Then we can discuss 
how your work may be exposed to applications using standards to maximize its 
impact. If you want to go over your work and the latest updates before the 
discussion, please feel free to do so. We target a total of 45 mins.

Below is a short email that we sent to the ALTO working group.

Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow.

Richard

-- Forwarded message -
From: Y. Richard Yang mailto:y...@cs.yale.edu>>
Date: Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:19 AM
Subject: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team
To: IETF ALTO mailto:alto@ietf.org>>

Hi ALTO group,

We will meet with the PBE-CC team (Kyle Jamieson, Jen Rexford, and Yaxiong Xie, 
all from Princeton) tomorrow at 9:00 AM US ET to discuss the possibility of 
exposing more network information for applications.

The direct relevant paper is:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.03475

Another related work:
https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3405672.3409489

One "grand" scheme is network information exposure from control channel, data 
channel, and control channel embedded in the data channel, e.g.,
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc/

The meeting info is at the bottom of this page.

Looking forward to see the design team and more tomorrow.

- Richard on behalf of the meeting organizers

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[alto] ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team

[Y. Richard Yang]

Hi ALTO group,

We will meet with the PBE-CC team (Kyle Jamieson, Jen Rexford, and Yaxiong
Xie, all from Princeton) tomorrow at 9:00 AM US ET to discuss the
possibility of exposing more network information for applications.

The direct relevant paper is:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.03475

Another related work:
https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3405672.3409489

One "grand" scheme is network information exposure from control channel,
data channel, and control channel embedded in the data channel, e.g.,
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc/

The meeting info is at the bottom of this page.

Looking forward to see the design team and more tomorrow.

- Richard on behalf of the meeting organizers

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