2.4.5b1-200440430 amcheck problem

2004-05-01 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all;

I just this morning installed yesterdays snapshot of 2.4.5b1, and the 
regularly scheduled amcheck reports this:

/usr/local/sbin/amcheck: error while loading shared libraries: 
libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so: cannot open shared object file: No 
such file or directory

But 'ls -l /usr/local/lib/libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so' returns 
this:

-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   404855 May  1 
17:09 /usr/local/lib/libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so

Which appears to be identical in ownership and perms to all previous 
vesions still living there.

Me puzzled.  Need advice...

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Re: 2.4.5b1-200440430 amcheck problem

2004-05-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 May 2004 17:18, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;

I just this morning installed yesterdays snapshot of 2.4.5b1, and
 the regularly scheduled amcheck reports this:

/usr/local/sbin/amcheck: error while loading shared libraries:
libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so: cannot open shared object file: No
such file or directory

But 'ls -l /usr/local/lib/libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so' returns
this:

-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   404855 May  1
17:09 /usr/local/lib/libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so

Which appears to be identical in ownership and perms to all previous
vesions still living there.

Me puzzled.  Need advice...

I backed up one version, to the 29ths snapshot, same deal.  Backed up 
and reinstalled the 23rds snapshot, works.  Now trying those in 
between  will post when I know which one killed it.


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Re: 2.4.5b1-200440430 amcheck problem

2004-05-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 May 2004 17:18, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;

I just this morning installed yesterdays snapshot of 2.4.5b1, and
 the regularly scheduled amcheck reports this:

/usr/local/sbin/amcheck: error while loading shared libraries:
libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so: cannot open shared object file: No
such file or directory

But 'ls -l /usr/local/lib/libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so' returns
this:

-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   404855 May  1
17:09 /usr/local/lib/libamserver-2.4.5b1-20040430.so

Which appears to be identical in ownership and perms to all previous
vesions still living there.

Me puzzled.  Need advice...

Ok, I started at the version from the 26th of April, and thats the 
first broken one.  Reinstalling the 23rd snapshot, which works.

Comments?


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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
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New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-01 Thread Justin Gombos
I was looking forward to using Amanda to backup 4-5 machines on my LAN
and one over the Internet, but something seems incredibly stupid about
the way Amanda forces the user to operate.  Please tell me I'm wrong;
maybe I'm misunderstanding the documentation.  If I want to perform
daily backups to CDRs, and I expect to have around 10 megs of data
change per day, do I really have to waste an entire CDR every day?


Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 May 2004 23:51, Justin Gombos wrote:
I was looking forward to using Amanda to backup 4-5 machines on my
 LAN and one over the Internet, but something seems incredibly
 stupid about the way Amanda forces the user to operate.  Please
 tell me I'm wrong; maybe I'm misunderstanding the documentation. 
 If I want to perform daily backups to CDRs, and I expect to have
 around 10 megs of data change per day, do I really have to waste an
 entire CDR every day?

In order to do an incremental, there must be a full level 0 of that 
same disklist entry to be used to determine whats been changed and 
needs the incremental to be recorded.  That means that your 
relatively small 700Mb cd-r is probably going to be too small to be 
really usefull.

There are both dependability and security reasons why amanda must use 
a different media each day, and they are not what one could call 
open for discussion.  Much of this came about because of the lack 
of random access to a tapes contents, and because the tape itself may 
be ejected (which will rewind it) in between sessions by someone 
unknown to the operator or to the crontab entry that runs amanda.

These individual media may be re-used according to the tapecycle 
setting in the file amanda.conf when their time on the shelf has 
expired by having used up all other tapes in the tapelist, at which 
point the oldest one becomes todays media.  There is another name in 
this amanda.conf, dumpcycle, which tells amanda how many days she 
has to do a full backup of every entry in the disklist, typically set 
for 7 days.  And yet another, runspercycle which you would set to 5 
if no backups are done over the weekends, and amanda uses this to 
tell her that even though 7 days is the time limit, she only has 5 
actual runs in those 7 days to get it all done in.

Amanda will, given enough time, work out her own schedule that will 
achieve this AND attempt to balance the amount of media used so about 
the same amount is used on each run.  Breaking the disklist up into 
many smaller subdir entrys and using tar, not dump, allows amanda to 
do a much better job of balanceing the media usage.

To demo how well that can work, I have about 65Gb of data on 2 
machines here, and I'm using a 4Gb (DDS2) tape in a 4 tape changer, 
one tape a nightly run.  dumpcycle is 7, runspercycle is 7, and 
tapecycle is 28.  Typically amanda will do about 3.6 gigs of mixed 
fulls and incrementals per nightly run, so it all fits on the one 
tape I allow her to use.  Having a changer, I could let amand use 2 
or even 4 tapes a night, but the write time for 4 tapes would be well 
into the next day with these slow tapes.  Also be reminded that 
amanda cannot span a single disklist entry across 2 tapes, but will 
restart the failed entry on a fresh tape if allowed to use the 
changer, another argument in favor of smaller disklist entrys.
I use compression only on those disklist entries that will compress, 
no use wasting cpu time to do the compression on a directory full of 
tar.gz stuffs.

Amanda is now learning how to use media other than tape, read the docs 
for details on that.

Amanda can do one heck of a job safeguarding your data, but amanda 
doesn't always take well to being bossed around.  Most of us don't 
try once we understand how amanda works.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
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Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-01 Thread Stephen Carville
On Saturday May 01 2004 08:51 pm, Justin Gombos wrote:
 I was looking forward to using Amanda to backup 4-5 machines on my LAN
 and one over the Internet, but something seems incredibly stupid about
 the way Amanda forces the user to operate.  Please tell me I'm wrong;
 maybe I'm misunderstanding the documentation.  If I want to perform
 daily backups to CDRs, and I expect to have around 10 megs of data
 change per day, do I really have to waste an entire CDR every day?

AFAIK, you are not wrong.  At least with regard to tapes:  Amanda does not put 
multiple backups on the same tape.  However it also distributes the fulls 
over the tapecycle so add at least full/tapecycle to your estimate of 
space required.

What does a CD-R cost these days?  About 35-40 cents apiece?

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