RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

My apologies for not being able to respond to your mails sooner. BETSOL is very 
proud of Zmanda's open source heritage and community.
We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be contributing to 
the code base to the best of our abilities.

I understand that we were not able to contribute as per the expectations in the 
last couple of months.
I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda and we 
have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer versions 
of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements etc.

We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community members. 
We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you can.
If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach out 
to us. 
You can expect our commitment and support to you.

Thanks and Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: owner-amanda-us...@amanda.org  On Behalf 
Of Olivier
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:34 PM
To: Jean-Louis Martineau 
Cc: cnighswon...@foundations.edu; ghesk...@shentel.net; amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Jean-Louis Martineau  writes:

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> Don't fork.
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> I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

As a long time user of Amanda (not 20 years, only 18 :) I would be gutted to 
see it die too.

Though I am not sure I can do much to contribute.

Thank you,

Olivier

> Jean-Louis
>
> Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger 
>  a écrit :
>
>  On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>  Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long 
> term  backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>
>  Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>
>  +1 to forking.
>
>  Chris
>

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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Olivier]

Jean-Louis Martineau  writes:

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>
>
> [2:text/html Hide Save:noname (3kB)]
>
> Don't fork.
>
> I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

As a long time user of Amanda (not 20 years, only 18 :) I would be
gutted to see it die too.

Though I am not sure I can do much to contribute.

Thank you,

Olivier

> Jean-Louis
>
> Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger 
>  a écrit :
>
>  On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>  Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term 
>  backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>
>  Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>
>  +1 to forking.
>
>  Chris
>

-- 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 09/26/2018 02:13 PM, J Chapman Flack wrote:

> Does anyone know what became of Jean-Louis Martineau

I see that my last email crossed with one from him. :)

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 09/26/2018 01:35 PM, Chris Nighswonger wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
>> backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>>
>> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
> 
> +1 to forking.

Is there some one organization among the long-term users of amanda
that would be a natural choice as keeper of a community fork?
Should a dedicated organization be created for the purpose?

Does anyone know what became of Jean-Louis Martineau in the sale
to BETSOL, or whether he still has interest and time for the project?

I would be happy to contribute to a forked community amanda (or
whatever it might be called, if "amanda" trademark rights are in
question). I still have a batch of contributions I was working with
Jean-Louis to get pushed a year or so ago, but it seems we both got
pulled onto other things.

However, I don't have the bandwidth available to be a maintainer
of a fork

-Chap

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 September 2018 14:01:27 Jean-Louis Martineau wrote:

> Don't fork.
>
> I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

Thats fine Jean-Louis. But I don't feel I have the mental talent left to 
do that w/o inadvertently screwing things up, I'd much rather go back to 
playing the canary in the coal mine like I did years ago. But I've had a 
usually fatal pulmonary embolism since those days, and now find I have 
an iron or 2 too many in the fire already. Expected, I'll be 84 late 
next week.

> Jean-Louis
>
> Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger <
>
> cnighswon...@foundations.edu> a écrit :
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> >> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long
> >> term backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
> >>
> >> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
> >
> > +1 to forking.
> >
> > Chris



Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 September 2018 13:53:01 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Am 26.09.18 um 19:35 schrieb Chris Nighswonger:
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good,
> > long term backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
> >
> > Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
> >
> >
> > +1 to forking.
>
> forking: ok, good
>
> but who knows the code and is able to maintain and develop ... ?
>
> maybe the amanda-hackers list has some candidates?

You might be one candidate Stefan, I know you've contributed to this list 
from time to time. I've never been on the hackers list, so I'm not 
familiar with who's there and their qualifications. I just sent a 
subscribe msg to it.


Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Jean-Louis Martineau]

Don't fork.

I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

Jean-Louis

Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger <
cnighswon...@foundations.edu> a écrit :

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>>
>> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
>> backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>>
>> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>>
>
> +1 to forking.
>
> Chris
>

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Charles Curley]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:24:52 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long
> term backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
> 
> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.

I am interested. Also a user of Amanda for a long time.

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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 26.09.18 um 19:35 schrieb Chris Nighswonger:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett > wrote:



Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
backup solution keep sucking air regularly.

Said by a 20 year user of amanda.


+1 to forking.


forking: ok, good

but who knows the code and is able to maintain and develop ... ?

maybe the amanda-hackers list has some candidates?

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Chris Nighswonger]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

>
> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
> backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>
> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>

+1 to forking.

Chris

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 September 2018 10:00:47 Ian Turner wrote:

> FWIW the Zmanda wiki hasn't had any substantive updates since January,
> but notes that as of August Ashwin Krishna is a Zmanda developer and
> the "maintainer of open source amanda code at sourceforge".
>
>   Original Message  
> From: Nathan Stratton Treadway
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:15 AM
> To: amanda-hack...@amanda.org; amanda-users@amanda.org
> Reply To: Nathan Stratton Treadway
> Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of
> Amanda development?
>
> > On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 12:14:34 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
> >> Who is still with Zmanda in the core team and management? Are they
> >> going to be adding anyone? Or getting help from BETSOL?
> >
> > I recently noticed that there haven't been any commits to the master
> > Amanda repository (i.e. Sourceforge/Github) since February -- which
> > made me wonder what's in the works for Amanda development going
> > forward
> >
> > A quick bit of browsing on the Zmanda and BETSOL websites doesn't
> > turn up anything more recent that the acquisition announcement in
> > May.
> >
> > Is anyone out there on these lists able to provide any news?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nathan

I got worried when Carbonite took over Zmanda, effectively throwing 
amanda under the bus. Amanda development slowed way down then. 
I just took a look at BETSOL. I think its time to fork. Run by an MBA, 
they will never commit the talent and manpower to keep it updated in the 
face of continued tar development.

Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term 
backup solution keep sucking air regularly.

Said by a 20 year user of amanda.

> > 
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> > Mid-Atlantic region Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services
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Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ian Turner]

FWIW the Zmanda wiki hasn't had any substantive updates since January,  
but notes that as of August Ashwin Krishna is a Zmanda developer and  
the "maintainer of open source amanda code at sourceforge".


  Original Message  
From: Nathan Stratton Treadway
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:15 AM
To: amanda-hack...@amanda.org; amanda-users@amanda.org
Reply To: Nathan Stratton Treadway
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of  
Amanda development?



On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 12:14:34 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:

Who is still with Zmanda in the core team and management? Are they
going to be adding anyone? Or getting help from BETSOL?



I recently noticed that there haven't been any commits to the master
Amanda repository (i.e. Sourceforge/Github) since February -- which made
me wonder what's in the works for Amanda development going forward

A quick bit of browsing on the Zmanda and BETSOL websites doesn't turn
up anything more recent that the acquisition announcement in May.

Is anyone out there on these lists able to provide any news?

Thanks.

Nathan


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