Re: fixed day backup

2003-03-17 Thread Chris Dahn
On Thursday 13 March 2003 04:36 pm, Wayne Richards wrote:
 Well, there are a couple of options I can think of off the top of my head.

 1.  Use a second config file for the weekend backups and add the line:
   strategy noinc
 in the dumptype definition

 2.  Do a:
   amadmin config force hostname
 prior to running the weekly backups.

 Wayne

  I have to do this since I have to use a DLT-4 drive for incrementals, and an 
SDLT-220 drive for full backups.

  What I do (I should really stick this in the FAQ-o-matic) is the following:

1. Create 2 configurations, one for Full only, and one for Incremental only. 
Full is run on the weekend, and Incremental is run during the week.

2. The Full configuration has a dumptype always-full which defines 
dumpcycle 0. This makes sure every partition is a level 0 dump when it 
runs. Disklist entries should be told to use a dumptype that include 
always-full.

3. Since amanda's planner is rather tenacious about the full backups, we need 
to really make it work to give us a level 0 dump. So, in the Incremental 
config file, set tapecycle to the number of tapes you have, but set dumpcycle 
and runspercycle to something silly, like 1000. This will keep the planner 
assuming that it has lots of time before it needs to do a level 0 of any 
given partition.

4. After the full backup runs, rm -rf the incremental backup directory (where 
indexes and logs are kept) in the amanda user's home directory, and cp -r the 
full backup directory to the incremental backup directory. This will keep the 
two in sync, and restart the 1000 day count each week.

This isn't totally fool-proof. If you have a very small partition (e.g., /tmp) 
then you may often get a level 0 dump of it. For larger partitions, you will 
almost never get a level 0, but in the end it accomplishes the full on 
weekends, incremental during week issue that occasionally pops up without 
performing too much magic.


Re: fixed day backup

2003-03-14 Thread Bao Ho
Hi David, Jay, and Wayne,

Thanks for replying.

I had tried the options strategy noinc and strategy nofull as Jay has
mentioned. In fact,
we can get away with only one config with two dumptypes and have to call the
correct one on the
correct day with cron. We just override the dumpcycle options in the
dumptypes.

It works so far, but there was the Mail drive from another machine, which I
use smb
to mount to the backup server, that almost always has a full backup, no
matter if it
is called with the incremental dumptype or the full dumptype. Its contents
changes
constantly, but I don't think that's the reason why it should be fully
backed up.

I also tried two separate configs, in combination with the two options
mentioned above.

I also used amadmin to force a level 0 backup right before the full is
performed.

I will try with record no as soon as I get back to the office.

Maybe because I was using all of your suggested methods at the same time
that
caused the problem :)


-Original Message-
From: David Olbersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: bao [EMAIL PROTECTED]; amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: fixed day backup


Bao,

I don't know why the FAQ says that -- it's simply not true!

We currently have a setup similar to this: incremental every day and full
backups every other weekend.

The trick is to make 2 amanda configurations (say, 'Daily' and 'Archive').

Once you've got that you can just call amanda with the correct
configuration on the right days, i.e.

amdump Daily
amdump Archive

--
David Olbersen
iGuard Engineer
11415 West Bernardo Court
San Diego, CA 92127
1-858-676-2277 x2152


 -Original Message-
 From: bao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:25 PM
 To: amanda
 Subject: fixed day backup


 Hello,

 In the Amanda FAQ, there is one question How can I configure
 Amanda to
 perform full backups on the weekend and incrementals on
 weekdays?. The
 answer is You can't.

 It's unfortunate that the plan above is what I need. I need
 to run full
 backup once a week, and incrementals on the other days. All of the
 backups will stay on disk (tapeless backup), plus the full
 will be put
 on tape. Disk only keeps one week (full + incrementals), and
 tapes keep
 8 weeks of full-only.

 If Amanda manages the full and incremental using its own way.
 How can I
 know which one has the full, and when the full is performed,
 to automate
 the process of transferring to tape??

 Has anyone done this sucessfully and How can I do it??

 Best regards,






fixed day backup

2003-03-13 Thread bao
Hello,

In the Amanda FAQ, there is one question How can I configure Amanda to 
perform full backups on the weekend and incrementals on weekdays?. The 
answer is You can't.

It's unfortunate that the plan above is what I need. I need to run full 
backup once a week, and incrementals on the other days. All of the 
backups will stay on disk (tapeless backup), plus the full will be put 
on tape. Disk only keeps one week (full + incrementals), and tapes keep 
8 weeks of full-only.

If Amanda manages the full and incremental using its own way. How can I 
know which one has the full, and when the full is performed, to automate 
the process of transferring to tape??

Has anyone done this sucessfully and How can I do it??

Best regards,



Re: fixed day backup

2003-03-13 Thread Wayne Richards
Well, there are a couple of options I can think of off the top of my head.

1.  Use a second config file for the weekend backups and add the line:
strategy noinc
in the dumptype definition

2.  Do a:
amadmin config force hostname
prior to running the weekly backups.

Wayne 

 Hello,
 
 In the Amanda FAQ, there is one question How can I configure Amanda to 
 perform full backups on the weekend and incrementals on weekdays?. The 
 answer is You can't.
 
 It's unfortunate that the plan above is what I need. I need to run full 
 backup once a week, and incrementals on the other days. All of the 
 backups will stay on disk (tapeless backup), plus the full will be put 
 on tape. Disk only keeps one week (full + incrementals), and tapes keep 
 8 weeks of full-only.
 
 If Amanda manages the full and incremental using its own way. How can I 
 know which one has the full, and when the full is performed, to automate 
 the process of transferring to tape??
 
 Has anyone done this sucessfully and How can I do it??
 
 Best regards,
 





RE: fixed day backup

2003-03-13 Thread David Olbersen
Bao,

I don't know why the FAQ says that -- it's simply not true!

We currently have a setup similar to this: incremental every day and full backups 
every other weekend.

The trick is to make 2 amanda configurations (say, 'Daily' and 'Archive').

Once you've got that you can just call amanda with the correct configuration on the 
right days, i.e.

amdump Daily
amdump Archive

--
David Olbersen 
iGuard Engineer
11415 West Bernardo Court 
San Diego, CA 92127 
1-858-676-2277 x2152


 -Original Message-
 From: bao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:25 PM
 To: amanda
 Subject: fixed day backup
 
 
 Hello,
 
 In the Amanda FAQ, there is one question How can I configure 
 Amanda to 
 perform full backups on the weekend and incrementals on 
 weekdays?. The 
 answer is You can't.
 
 It's unfortunate that the plan above is what I need. I need 
 to run full 
 backup once a week, and incrementals on the other days. All of the 
 backups will stay on disk (tapeless backup), plus the full 
 will be put 
 on tape. Disk only keeps one week (full + incrementals), and 
 tapes keep 
 8 weeks of full-only.
 
 If Amanda manages the full and incremental using its own way. 
 How can I 
 know which one has the full, and when the full is performed, 
 to automate 
 the process of transferring to tape??
 
 Has anyone done this sucessfully and How can I do it??
 
 Best regards,