Re: [AMaViS-user] Spam-handling email only for selected users

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Martinec
Sven,

  If I knew how much confusion the semantics of bypass_*  vs.  *_lovers
  is causing, I would have provide only _lovers, and derive bypass_
  automatically from it. Perhaps some day...

 what if on a big mail server hosting many users some don't want spam
 checking at all,

As long as the effects of spam checking for such recipients are not visible
(e.g. in headers or in paying the cost of additional service), they wouldn't
know the difference nor care. This is why I'm saying that bypass* could
in principle be derived from *lovers. The bypass* is just an optimization
mechanism.

 but some want spam checking but no action taken 
 based on the result of spam checking,

If there is no effect, then it is irrelevant whether a mail was checked or not
(except for wasted time).

 and some others don't want to receive mails which are definitely spam
 (e.g. the spam score is over a certain threshold)??

 I think this is where the differentiation between bypass_* and *_lovers
 comes in very handy, or is there another way of doing this??

Yes it comes handy at times, which is why it was introduced.

But the only useful reason that I can think of in setting bypass=1
and lovers kept at FALSE for a recipient is connected with cost.
It is saying: I don't want to be billed for virus/spam filtering,
but I don't mind if you block a virus or high score spam as long
as I don't have to pay for this service (free ride on already
performed checks on behalf of other recipients).

bypass lover
  0  0 useful, check and block malware
  0  1 useful, check but deliver tagged
  1  0 not too useful, free riding
  1  1 useful, no checks if possible, and no effects

Mark


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[AMaViS-user] No spam info headers

2005-08-12 Thread Hans du Plooy

I have the following in my /etc/amavisd.conf:

$sa_tag_level_deflt  = -300.0;

because I want all mail to have the spamassassin info headers.  But not 
all mails come with them.  Why not?  I'm not getting anything useful 
from the logs, even at loglevel 5.


Thanks
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Re: [AMaViS-user] No spam info headers

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Martinec
Hans,

 I have the following in my /etc/amavisd.conf:
 $sa_tag_level_deflt  = -300.0;
 because I want all mail to have the spamassassin info headers.  But not
 all mails come with them.  Why not?  I'm not getting anything useful
 from the logs, even at loglevel 5.

Make sure the recipient's domain matches the @local_domains_maps

(and make sure the score was not below -300.0, which may
happen if you have any whitelisting rules in SpamAssassin).

  Mark


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Re: [AMaViS-user] LDAP amavisBypassBannedChecks not working

2005-08-12 Thread Joel Nimety


Mark Martinec wrote:
 Joel,
 
 
Later on, because you have $banned_namepath_re nonempty, it overruled
the earlier decision:
due to the fact that when using the $banned_namepath_re the
optimization was not done as it could have been. Not nice, but not
incorrect.

Thanks for the explanation, I'm glad somebody knows the big picture
because I sure don't :-)
 
 
 I'm about to wrap up the 2.3.3 and I have prepared the following patch
 to fix the issue you stumbled across. The fix should ensure the banned
 check is not performed if all recipients agree it is not needed,
 even in the presence of $banned_namepath_re.
 You may want to try it out, or wait few days for a 2.3.3-pre or -rc.
 

Thanks Mark.  I've been running with the patch for a few days,
everything looks good.

 
 Mark
 
 
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[AMaViS-user] is it possible with amamvis or spamassassin

2005-08-12 Thread boricua
i would like to set a rule that if the domain in to: is @acedsl.com 
and the user is not me to consider it spam,
is this possible?

 
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[AMaViS-user] best method to resolve hole in spam filter.

2005-08-12 Thread Ross Anderson

I'm using amavis-new-2.3.0, spamassassin 3.0.4 with postfix 2.1.5

Recently we've been experiencing a few messages slipping through. They clam the 
from address of an invalid user within the local domain.
Thus amavis doesn't scan the message. Does anyone have suggestions on how best 
to prevent this from happening? Thanks

Ross Anderson


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Re: [AMaViS-user] Spam-handling email only for selected users

2005-08-12 Thread Gary V
Sven wrote:


 Hi Mark,

 thanks for your reply,

 On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 12:16:53PM +0200, Mark Martinec told us:
 As long as the effects of spam checking for such recipients are not visible
 (e.g. in headers or in paying the cost of additional service), they wouldn't
 know the difference nor care. This is why I'm saying that bypass* could
 in principle be derived from *lovers. The bypass* is just an optimization
 mechanism.

 If there is no effect, then it is irrelevant whether a mail was checked or 
 not
 (except for wasted time).

 that is what I meant: see this from the point of the person(s) running
 a busy mail server. With respect to spam scanning there are three
 kind of people:

 1. People who want spam scanning and want the spam to be discarded/
quarantined/whatever.

bypass lover
  0  0 useful, check and block malware
  
 2. People who want spam scanning but who want to receive all mails to
act based on the spam scanning headers, e.g. in their MUA (those
would be the ones for spam_lovers). Those people probably also
want to define a threshold for marking mail as spam so they can
filter on the X-Spam-Status: Yes header.

bypass lover
  0  1 useful, check but deliver tagged
  
 3. People who want no spam scanning and don't want to pay for it. Those
people can be put in bypass_spam_checks, no work will be wasted
in spam scanning their mail, thus more resources on your mail
server for scanning other people's mails.

bypass lover
  1  1 useful, no checks if possible, and no effects

You have not mentioned a use for the fourth scenario which is the one
that could no longer be configured if the change were made.

bypass lover
  1  0 not too useful, free riding

 Sven

  If I knew how much confusion the semantics of bypass_*  vs.  *_lovers
  is causing, I would have provide only _lovers, and derive bypass_
  automatically from it. Perhaps some day...

Mark, are you saying you want to automatically assign all *lovers to
bypass*? Then how would you accomplish this?:

bypass lover
  0  1 useful, check but deliver tagged

I don't find it confusing. I'm would favor flexibility. At first, I
did not understand what *lovers did exactly. Bypass seemed obvious. I
think that a note that including a recipient in a @*_lovers_maps is
functionally equivalent to setting $final_*_destiny = D_PASS; for
that recipient helps explain it (at least is does for me). I think it
would be more confusing if you told people, If you want to bypass
spam checks for a recipient, put then in a spam_lovers map.

I think that you can only do something like:
@spam_lovers_maps = @bypass_spam_checks_maps;
(or)
@bypass_spam_checks_maps = @spam_lovers_maps;
under certain circumstances, not all. I think a note explaining under
which circumstances these could be used would be appropriate.

Gary V



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Re: [AMaViS-user] best method to resolve hole in spam filter.

2005-08-12 Thread Ross Anderson
Should have added this. I can find no listing of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
or @owbn.org in any white list yet it passes it as if localdomain to 
localdomain isn't being processed.






current:Aug 12 10:44:53 [amavis] (24214-01-5) LMTP::10024 
/var/lib/amavis/tmp/amavis-20050812T104038-24214: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 
SIZE=21415 from mail.owbn.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns1.owbn.org 
[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24214-01-5; Fri, 12 
Aug 2005 10:44:53 -0500 (CDT)
current:Aug 12 10:44:53 [amavis] (24214-01-5) Checking: [62.39.238.158] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
current:Aug 12 10:44:53 [amavis] (24214-01-5) wbl: whitelisted sender 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
current:Aug 12 10:44:54 [amavis] (24214-01-5) FWD via SMTP: 
[127.0.0.1]:10025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
current:Aug 12 10:44:54 [amavis] (24214-01-5) Passed CLEAN, 
[62.39.238.158] [62.39.238.158] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], Message-ID: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Hits: -, 537 ms



Bowie Bailey wrote:


From: Ross Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


I'm using amavis-new-2.3.0, spamassassin 3.0.4 with postfix 2.1.5

Recently we've been experiencing a few messages slipping 
through. They clam the from address of an invalid user 
within the local domain.
Thus amavis doesn't scan the message. Does anyone have 
suggestions on how best to prevent this from happening? Thanks
   



 [snip]

 


X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at owbn.org
   



Looks like it's being scanned to me.  What makes you think Amavis is not
scanning it?

The more likely explanation is that SpamAssassin is just not catching these
particular spams.  The From address should not make a difference as it is
generally assumed to be unreliable.

Bowie


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Re: [AMaViS-user] Spam-handling email only for selected users

2005-08-12 Thread Gary V
Gary wrote:

  If I knew how much confusion the semantics of bypass_*  vs.  *_lovers
  is causing, I would have provide only _lovers, and derive bypass_
  automatically from it. Perhaps some day...

 Mark, are you saying you want to automatically assign all *lovers to
 bypass*? Then how would you accomplish this?:

 bypass lover
   0  1 useful, check but deliver tagged

Am I correct to say that this also would no longer be possible?:

@spam_lovers_maps = (1);
@bypass_spam_checks_maps = ( [ qw( [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
.example2.com ) ],);

I just not getting how this idea could work in all cases.

Gary V



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[AMaViS-user] mailman/amavis and spamassassin

2005-08-12 Thread Justin B. Alcorn
I am finding quarantined emails to non-local users who are members of a 
local mailman list using amavisd-new 2.3.2, postfix and spamassassin. 
The quarantined email shows the X-Spam headers, even though the final 
recipients are non-local.


The policy for the list domain is Wants all spam (spam_lover = Y, 
set in mysql) and that seems to be borne out by the headers in the 
quarantined email:


X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at groovysecurity.com
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=6.559 tagged_above=-999 required=999
tests=[AWL=-6.896, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,
HTML_90_100=10, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.704]
X-Spam-Level: **

I'm assuming it's putting the header into the email because the list 
domain is in local_domains.


But the quarantine policy is apparently then not followed, because it is 
then quarantined for all the actual recipients on the list


How do I set up mailman to go ahead and send it out?   Even better, 
since the lists are set up for allowing post only from subscribers, I 
shouldn't be bothering with mail to the list.  I could set up the domain 
for bypass_spam_checks, but would that work?


(The message was NOT spam, it was from a member of the list).

basically, how best to set up amavis/mailman ?


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UPDATED: [AMaViS-user] mailman/amavis and spamassassin

2005-08-12 Thread Justin B. Alcorn
In a process of deep contemplation, Justin B. Alcorn carefully 
constucted the following missive on 8/12/2005 12:03 PM:
I am finding quarantined emails to non-local users who are members of a 
local mailman list using amavisd-new 2.3.2, postfix and spamassassin. 
The quarantined email shows the X-Spam headers, even though the final 
recipients are non-local.


The policy for the list domain is Wants all spam (spam_lover = Y, 
set in mysql) and that seems to be borne out by the headers in the 
quarantined email:


X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at groovysecurity.com
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=6.559 tagged_above=-999 required=999
tests=[AWL=-6.896, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,
HTML_90_100=10, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.704]
X-Spam-Level: **

I'm assuming it's putting the header into the email because the list 
domain is in local_domains.


But the quarantine policy is apparently then not followed, because it is 
then quarantined for all the actual recipients on the list


How do I set up mailman to go ahead and send it out?   Even better, 
since the lists are set up for allowing post only from subscribers, I 
shouldn't be bothering with mail to the list.  I could set up the domain 
for bypass_spam_checks, but would that work?


(The message was NOT spam, it was from a member of the list).

basically, how best to set up amavis/mailman ?





OK, this is odd. I was looking over the quarantined message and realized 
that there was a SECOND SET of headers:


X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=7.298 tag=-999 tag2=5 kill=6.9 tests=[AWL=-4.407,
 HTML_90_100=10, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.704]
X-Spam-Score: 7.298
X-Spam-Level: ***
X-Spam-Flag: YES


Those are the default values.  Note that at least one of the subscribers 
to the mailing list _IS_ local - maybe that is causing the issue?




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Re: [AMaViS-user] best method to resolve hole in spam filter.

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Martinec
Ross,

 Should have added this. I can find no listing of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 or @owbn.org in any white list yet it passes it as if localdomain to
 localdomain isn't being processed.

 (24214-01-5) wbl: whitelisted sender [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The sender somehow got matched in your whitelist. This is not the case
by default, so it must come from your setup. At log level 5 you can check
how lookups are performed prior to the wbl: whitelisted sender log entry.

  Mark


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Re: [AMaViS-user] Spam-handling email only for selected users

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Martinec
Gary,

 I think we agree that it is a good idea that if a recipient is in a
 bypass* table, that same recipient should be in the corresponding
 *lovers table. The reverse of course only applies in some cases and
 limits the flexibility of the *lovers table.

Exactly.

  Mark


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Re: [AMaViS-user] Turn off the annoying razor log?

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Martinec
  BTW, do you have 'lock_method flock' enabled?
 
  In postfix and dovecot I do, but not in the spamassassin config file ...
  should I? :)
 
  -Matt

 You decide, it can make a big difference in the speed that the Bayes
 database is written to or read from:
 http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.0.x/dist/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.h
tml#miscellaneous_options

Or better yet, move Bayes to SQL and the lock_method only
still controls the AWL. Use flock by all means.

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Re: [AMaViS-user] Turn off the annoying razor log?

2005-08-12 Thread Matt Juszczak

You decide, it can make a big difference in the speed that the Bayes
database is written to or read from:
http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.0.x/dist/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#miscellaneous_options


Is the Bayesian database on by default?  If so, doesn't it require 
training?



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Re: [AMaViS-user] is it possible with amamvis or spamassassin

2005-08-12 Thread Gary V
boricua wrote:

 i would like to set a rule that if the domain in to: is @acedsl.com 
 and the user is not me to consider it spam,
 is this possible?

I don't know why you would want to do that, mainly because I'm not
sure you are aware of the potential problems.

If you are the envelope recipient - someone BCC's you - and there is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on the To: line, this will get marked as spam.
Are you really sure you want to do that? Legitimate mail does not
always have to have your address on the To: line. I often BCC mail to
30 or so people at a time, with only one recipient on the To: line.

in local.cf:

header TO_ACEDSLTo =~/acedsl\.com/i
describe TO_ACEDSL  To someone in the acedsl.com domain
score   TO_ACEDSL   10.0

header TO_BORICUATo =~/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/i
describe TO_BORICUA  To boricua at acedsl.com
score   TO_BORICUA   -10.0

Score will be 0 if your address is on the To: line (+10 -10)
If you are not on the To: line, but anyone else at acedsl.com is,
then the score will be 10.

Gary V



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Re: [AMaViS-user] Turn off the annoying razor log?

2005-08-12 Thread Gary V
Matt wrote:

 You decide, it can make a big difference in the speed that the Bayes
 database is written to or read from:
 http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.0.x/dist/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#miscellaneous_options

 Is the Bayesian database on by default?  If so, doesn't it require 
 training?

Yes, it is on by default. The default is to auto_learn. I find
auto_learn works fine for me, I personally don't bother to train.
Devising some method for your users feed false positives to
'sa-learn --ham' would be good. And false negatives to 'sa-learn --spam'
would provide additional training. How you would accomplish that would
take some thought. I think you would have to find a way to get the
original mail that you wanted learned over to the gateway servers also.
The mail cannot be forwarded, it must be exactly as it was when it was
received. All in all, not necessarily a trivial task.

Gary V



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Re: [AMaViS-user] is it possible with amamvis or spamassassin

2005-08-12 Thread boricua
 I don't know why you would want to do that, mainly because I'm not
 sure you are aware of the potential problems.
 

i think your right it might not be a good idea.


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