Re: [AMaViS-user] reject but still deliver mail to lovers?

2008-05-17 Thread mouss
Sahil Tandon wrote:
 * Oskar Liljeblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-16-2008]:

   
 if you are running amavisd-new after the queue, then it is too late to 
 reject spam: this will only cause backscatter.
   
 That's why I only use amavis before queue! IMHO after-queue is not
 acceptable nowadays unless you have very big mail volumes and very
 poor hardware...
 

 FUD.  You can use amavisd-new after-queue and just configure it not to send 
 backscatter.  That is entirely acceptable.

   


and after the queue has some benefits (whether they are important or not 
is not debated here).

[I am not saying that either mode is the Right Thing. Just that 
after-the-queue is more than acceptable nowadays:-]

- you decide when to scan. in a pre-queue, it is the attacker who decides.

- less delay for legitimate mail. In a setup (like mine, as I am not a 
quarantine-fan;-p) where most spam is rejected by postfix restrictions, 
amavisd-new gets mostly ham, so pre-queue would harm more legitimate 
senders than spammers...

- also, there is no risk to cause a client timeout. so one can do any 
checks he wants (with a pre-queue, one cannot run checks that take a 
long time. and this is not only hardware specific. when you query remote 
services, your hardware is only part of the equation)

- still in the same spirit, it is possible to delay checking of certain 
messages and to (re)check them later. I'll give two examples:
 *) some spam reaches both a valid recipient and a spam trap. by 
delaying the check for valid recipients, there are some chances that the 
same (or similar) spam hits the trap.
 *) it may take time for DNSBLs and URIBLs to list an ip/host/uri.

- with a pre-queue, you need as many listeners as your smtpd listeners. 
with an after the queue setup, you don't need to run that many 
listeners. Admittedly, this may not be an issue if you have enough 
resources, but some may consider this a waste of these resources.


The standard argument for pre-queue is to reject the messages caught by 
your filter so as to leave FP handling to the sender. but this is 
debatable.

To sum this up, one size doesn't fit all sites...






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Re: [AMaViS-user] banned_filetypes_lovers_maps?

2008-05-17 Thread Sahil Tandon
* Peer Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-17-2008]:

 I'm looking for a mechanism to deliver even mails with banned attachments 
 to a selected group of users. Amavisd-new has spam_lovers_maps and 
 virus_lovers_maps -- but it looks like there's no 
 banned_filetype_lovers_maps.
 
 How could I realize this setup?

Route mail to those users through a separate policy bank which, for example, 
checks for spam and viruses, but bypasses banned file checks.  Some good 
examples:

http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/bypassing.html
http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html#pbanks

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Re: [AMaViS-user] banned_filetypes_lovers_maps?

2008-05-17 Thread Gary V
On 5/17/08, Sahil Tandon  wrote:
 * Peer Heinlein  [05-17-2008]:

  I'm looking for a mechanism to deliver even mails with banned attachments
  to a selected group of users. Amavisd-new has spam_lovers_maps and
  virus_lovers_maps -- but it looks like there's no
  banned_filetype_lovers_maps.
 
  How could I realize this setup?

 Route mail to those users through a separate policy bank which, for example,
 checks for spam and viruses, but bypasses banned file checks.  Some good
 examples:

http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/bypassing.html
http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html#pbanks

 --
 Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Additionally, there actually is @banned_files_lovers_maps

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