[AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
I am not sure where to ask this, but some here seem to be up on regulatory matters. I do apologize if it is off-topic. Is the FCC at all interested in this type of brazen, illegal QRO operation on 27 MHz any more? Quite a few dealers advertise linears openly on the internet. This outfit offers to install high current alternators, and to service linear amplifiers. One is shown with 6 alternators on one engine, presumably to run several KW of RF. With all of the recent (usually wlecome) enforcement by Riley Hollingsworth I wonder if they show any interest? = = = To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: ohio_hunnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone I am new to this group and just wanted to invite you all to visit CBR Electronicswe're your one stop CB shop and now accept online orders, we feature Davemade accessories and there are some great pictures of Keydown Competitions. We are located at 4231c Portsmouth Blvd in Portsmouth, Virginia. http://www.cbrelectronics.com Have a great week!! = = = End of forwarded message
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
There are also lots of little 100 to 500 watt amps that pop up for sale on bay of e. Constant complaints to them have resulted in nil. I have also sent a few emails to the ARRL asking why they don't take a step in helping to enforce the control of these items. I never got an answer back from them, and I suppose they are far too busy with spectrum control issues to bother with this. A lot of these amps are advertised in the ham radio listing. I have also seen a couple on the for sale reflector, and also e.ham and QRZ. They are sold openly in some truck stops that have CB shops also. I have noticed that they are for saleCASH only, while you can get service, repair, or buy radios with a credit cardAl/W8FAX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
RE: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Hi Brian, It's worse than you think! In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - the Keydown Superbowl. A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). To generate the DC required for these amps, several 72 volt railroad alternators are daisy-chained together under the hoods of trucks (Chevy Suburbans are popular). 7 alternator power plants are not uncommon. The DC goes to large DC regulators, and then to the amps, mostly solid state, but occasionally tube amps are used too. The solid state amps are typically multiple pill amps - 12 pill, 24 pill, up to 128 pill or more. Most of the amps are custom built by specialty shops, who advertise on the web, or at select CB shops. The favorite channel is 27.025, the superbowl channel. The winner gets a trophy, and sometimes some cash. Veterans of such skill-testing competitions, like to show off large pickle jars filled with dead pills, the blown finals of their own, and competitor's amps. Some of the more technically talented prefer tube-type amps, with large broadcast tubes the preferred device. 3CX3000F1, and similar are quite popular, in pairs or quads. The amps often occupy most of the cargo space in the vehicles, shared with the requisite extra batteries. So, the next time you wonder why the CB band is always open, while 10M isn't, consider that these people have the means to make their own propagation! The other issue is not the spectrum polution, from these wickedly dirty often Class-C amps, but from the RF fields produced during the competition! Never mind FCC enforcement, maybe the EPA should get involved! Ed, VA3ES
Re: [AMRadio] W5AMI?
Hi Jeff, All my gear is packed away waiting a move to new mountain property. The move has been delayed time and time again, so it's been packed for some time now. I am hoping to get back on the air by this Winter. Sorry I can't make itSure wish I could! 73 - Brian W5AMI - Original Message - From: Jeff Edmonson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: [AMRadio] W5AMI? W5AMI, this is W5OMR calling. Brian, are you lurking around here, somewhere? any one else in the 5th call area, that can get on 40 or 75m in the afternoon/evening times? 73 = Best Regards, -=Jeff/W5OMR=- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
If you want to get a shock, do a serach on the phrase 10 meter radios. These are targeted and being sold to CB'ers, and they all operate well above 28 mHz. Just one example, (check out the rebel flag) http://www.paceradios.com/cart/connex_10_meter_.html Then take a look at this CB channel chart. 29.655 is listed as channel 40, band D!!!.. http://hitmanpa118.hypermart.net/channelchart.htm Here's another.. http://www.cbcintl.com/ (NEW! Expanded CB Channel Frequency Chart (14Kb PDF). Free 1-page download covers Ch.1–40 in “legal” FCC band, plus 7 other bands, 4 down and 3 up. Total range shown is 25.165–28.755 MHz)
Re: [AMRadio] Going to start parting out an Apache
Well - After no REASONABLE offers (Offer less than what I gave for them - Not wanting fortune!) - No ONE interested in restoring - Then perhaps the Bones may keep MORE rigs running! Good Riddance! Nobody wants crummy 100 watt transmitters on the air anyway. Why don't you just take a sledge hammer to it and quietly put it out of its misery? You must love Hallicrafters, CRAF-T-BOB, why don't you take out a few along with the Heathkit. It'll make the remaining all that more valuable. Maybe you can sell the solder. Fin-d-Cine Bill, AB6MT
[AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hi Riley, Please check these guys out. I am willing to bet a 30S-1 they don't ask for a foreign passport when someone wante to purchase an illegal amp! A HREF=http://www.cbrelectronics.com/keydowns.html;Click here: keydowns.page/A Thanks and 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hello John, Mind if I use this e mail to help start more fuss with FCC ? Will also start another discussion on QRZ. Tom - K0PJG - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH Hi Riley, Please check these guys out. I am willing to bet a 30S-1 they don't ask for a foreign passport when someone wante to purchase an illegal amp! A HREF=http://www.cbrelectronics.com/keydowns.html;Click here: keydowns.page/A Thanks and 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.--- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Hello Ed, Mind if I use thios e mail to help start another fuss over this stuff with FCC ? Will also start a discussion on QRZ. Tom - K0PJG - Original Message - From: Ed Sieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Cc: Brian Carling, AF4K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers Hi Brian, It's worse than you think! In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - the Keydown Superbowl. A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). To generate the DC required for these amps, several 72 volt railroad alternators are daisy-chained together under the hoods of trucks (Chevy Suburbans are popular). 7 alternator power plants are not uncommon. The DC goes to large DC regulators, and then to the amps, mostly solid state, but occasionally tube amps are used too. The solid state amps are typically multiple pill amps - 12 pill, 24 pill, up to 128 pill or more. Most of the amps are custom built by specialty shops, who advertise on the web, or at select CB shops. The favorite channel is 27.025, the superbowl channel. The winner gets a trophy, and sometimes some cash. Veterans of such skill-testing competitions, like to show off large pickle jars filled with dead pills, the blown finals of their own, and competitor's amps. Some of the more technically talented prefer tube-type amps, with large broadcast tubes the preferred device. 3CX3000F1, and similar are quite popular, in pairs or quads. The amps often occupy most of the cargo space in the vehicles, shared with the requisite extra batteries. So, the next time you wonder why the CB band is always open, while 10M isn't, consider that these people have the means to make their own propagation! The other issue is not the spectrum polution, from these wickedly dirty often Class-C amps, but from the RF fields produced during the competition! Never mind FCC enforcement, maybe the EPA should get involved! Ed, VA3ES ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Try Riley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 73 Vince ka1iic -.--. On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Riley, Please check these guys out. I am willing to bet a 30S-1 they don't ask for a foreign passport when someone wante to purchase an illegal amp! A HREF=http://www.cbrelectronics.com/keydowns.html;Click here: keydowns.page/A Thanks and 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.--- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hi, Please...BE MY GUEST!!! 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Thanks, I had it here but couldn't find it. 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
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Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Last year this was sent to Riley, FCC, Congressmen, newspapers, etc. It gave location, time and date of a keydown to authorities a month in advance of the event. Nothing was ever done by any agency. On 12 Oct. 2001, there will be an event that I feel should be brought to your attention. It's called a keydown, and is effectively a radio-frequency drag-race between outlaw CB radio operators. The purpose is to see who can produce the most radio power from their vehicle. Power levels often exceed those of broadcast stations (up to 70,000 watts), but without the engineering skills to eliminate interference. What makes this event notable is that it's within spitting distance of the US Capitol - a site ringed with tactical communications systems - and currently in a heightened state of alert. The keydown is expected to create potential RF interference hazards to military, government, and public safety agencies in the Washington Metropolitain area, including commercial broadcasters. TV and FM broadcast stations are part of the EAS (Emergency Alert System) and high frequency users in the Public Safety Pool (Police, Fire, some ground-to-air and air ambulance services, and many private services) will likely receive interference. The keydown organizers call themselves the UCBWC (The United CB'ers of Watergate City). Participants come from all over the USA. Identities and details of the keydown locations are usually kept secret. For example, attendees of the Oct. 12 event book advance reservations at the Ramada Inn in New Carrollton, MD, but are not told where competing mobile CB setups will face-off until the last minute. Even suppliers of equipment used in the illegal setups prefer to stay anonymous. One company called NoName, based in Waldorf, MD, employs elaborate deceptions and disclaimers to avoid possible FCC prosecution. *Note: The location of the keydown has now been verified. It was obtained by calling the phone numbers listed on the UCBWC web page. Time: 11 AM Location: Tracey's Park/Tracey's Elementary 20 Deale Road, Tracys Landing, MD 20779 Unlike ham operators who are licensed by the FCC, must pass technical tests, and are generally self-policing, the keydown competitors are 'outlaws' who operate completely outside of FCC rules. External amplifiers are strictly forbidden to CBers, and under The US Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Telecommunication the penalties for noncompliance include fines up to $20,000 and jail terms. But CB is virtually unregulated and unenforced. When the CB boom of the 1970's hit, the FCC could no longer cope with the sudden influx of millions of CB users, and now the FCC only intervenes in extreme cases. One attempt to stop routine interference from illegal CB operators recently came in the form of H.R. 2346, which became law in September of 2000. It authorizes the enforcement by State and local governments of certain FCC regulations regarding use of citizens band radio equipment. For more information, contact - (Contact name and phone numbers) Or visit - UCBWC SITE (http://www.angelfire.com/md/ucbwc/) KEYDOWNS (http://www.bigradios.com/) (http://www.keydowns.com/) NONAME AMPLIFIERS (http://www.angelfire.com/md3/nonameamps/ampspecs.html) FCC REGULATIONS FOR CB (http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/47cfr95_00.html) HR2346 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02346:)
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
No matter what hobby your into theres always somebody that wants to ruin it !! You run RC Airplane/ boats the noise is to much.. You play with jet ski's some doesn't like it. You paint your house the wrong color the neighborhood police are on you It goes on on Can't people just do ther own thing let other do their's ??? I know a lot of the brother's on Channel 6 CB The just go out RF drag race , have a cook out , dance, talk , and have fun. then go home ..they don't harm anyone and to tell you the truth they are way more innovating than the so called appliance hams..Thats why the FCC has done nothing about it, they have known about all the RF shootouts for 20 years, believe me it's no secret I have even seen them at the shootouts walking around looking !!! John
[AMRadio] CB Operations: Illegal Equipment es Use ( On QRZ )
I with held names other than my own on this discussion started just now on QRZ.COM under Talk es Opinions. Please feel free to Comment ther howver :)) 21 Aug 2002 @ 23:52:49 UTC Logged in as K0PJG Log Out The QRZ Home Page » Welcome K0PJG [ Your Control Panel :: Log Out :: New Posts ] Your messenger (0 new) QRZ Forum Open Forums Talk and Opinions CB Operations; Illegal Equipment es Use Topic: CB Operations; Illegal Equipment es Use, Re-Visited... Next Oldest | Next Newest K0PJG Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: -- Posted: Aug. 21 2002,16:52 Illegal CB Ops es the proliferation of Illegal equipment has not deminished one iota since the last round of discussions Ref: Illegal CB Ops in MX es US Truckers. If anything, sales have not been better for the equipment in use through out North America es MX. I am going to mention a few sites where anyone may purchase equipment targeted for the express use of Illegal CB operations es promoting Illegal Ops; http://www.cbrelectronics.com/keydowns.html http://www.paceradios.com/cart/connex_10_meter_.html http://hitmanpa118.hypermart.net/channelchart.htm http://www.cbcintl.com/, Do not miss this one, it gives you your Freq charts to operate with ( There are many more... A few comments from Hams Ref: above sites; #1 ( Name withheld by author's request ) It's worse than you think! In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - the Keydown Superbowl. A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). To generate the DC required for these amps, several 72 volt railroad alternators are daisy-chained together under the hoods of trucks (Chevy Suburbans are popular). 7 alternator power plants are not uncommon. The DC goes to large DC regulators, and then to the amps, mostly solid state, but occasionally tube amps are used too. The solid state amps are typically multiple pill amps - 12 pill, 24 pill, up to 128 pill or more. Most of the amps are custom built by specialty shops, who advertise on the web, or at select CB shops. The favorite channel is 27.025, the superbowl channel. The winner gets a trophy, and sometimes some cash. Veterans of such skill-testing competitions, like to show off large pickle jars filled with dead pills, the blown finals of their own, and competitor's amps. Some of the more technically talented prefer tube-type amps, with large broadcast tubes the preferred device. 3CX3000F1, and similar are quite popular, in pairs or quads. The amps often occupy most of the cargo space in the vehicles, shared with the requisite extra batteries. So, the next time you wonder why the CB band is always open, while 10M isn't, consider that these people have the means to make their own propagation! The other issue is not the spectrum polution, from these wickedly dirty often Class-C amps, but from the RF fields produced during the competition! Never mind FCC enforcement, maybe the EPA should get involved! #2 ( Name withheld by Author's request ) If you want to get a shock, do a serach on the phrase 10 meter radios. These are targeted and being sold to CB'ers, and they all operate well above 28 mHz. Just one example, (check out the rebel flag) http://www.paceradios.com/cart/connex_10_meter_.html Then take a look at this CB channel chart. 29.655 is listed as channel 40, band D!!!.. http://hitmanpa118.hypermart.net/channelchart.htm Here's another.. http://www.cbcintl.com/ (NEW! Expanded CB Channel Frequency Chart (14Kb PDF). Free 1-page download covers
RE: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
and to tell you the truth they are way more innovating than the so called appliance hams..Thats why the FCC has done nothing about it, Well, I take exception to the idea that building a huge class C amp, is any kind of innovation. It would be nice if they channeled some of that technical interest into more ham-oriented pursuits. As far as appliance operators are concerned, I imagine that no one on this list has much sympathy for them either! That said, I certainly have no problems with competition, whether it's RF or smokeless powder! In fact, I find the whole idea - huge alternator chains, Chevy Suburbans filled with batteries and multi-pill amps quite amusing. Personally, I don't care what CB'ers do on 27.025. I just don't want to suffer from the trash and hash that some of these amps produce. When 10M is open on any given weekend, I can hear all kinds of spurs and trash travelling up and down the band. A quick check usually traces it down to the Superbowl, and the usual gang of ghost talkers. Anyway, the real issue isn't huge monstrous amps, but the so-called 10-meter radios and their users. Again, another caveat: some of those 10-M radios are quite good. There are a few interesting real amateur rigs, such as the Spitfire 454 all-mode hand-held HF talkie (12 - 10 M). I have one, and it's a cute lil' rig. They also have the mobile version, Magnum 257, which covers 12-10M, repeater splits, all mode, and a decent 30W output. http://www.copper.com/cgi-bin/checkitout/checkitout.cgi?catalogSTORE:CKIE:pr odP03-01000+ Too bad they don't market such decent little rigs to the real hams. Oh well. 73, Ed - VA3ES
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hi John, I have nothing against people enjoying their hobby. But the RF spectrum is an internationally shared resource, sort of like a big public road. You can't just make up your own rules and start driving any way you want. In order for everyone to share and enjoy it, there have to be rules, just like a road has to have traffic laws. The rules are not there to spoil people's fun, they are there to facilitate shared access by lots of different users with lots of different needs. It would be nice if your friends could enjoy a hobby that didn't make the breaking of laws an essential ingredient. -W1GFH/6 In a message dated 8/21/02 4:56:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No matter what hobby your into theres always somebody that wants to ruin it !! You run RC Airplane/ boats the noise is to much.. You play with jet ski's some doesn't like it. You paint your house the wrong color the neighborhood police are on you It goes on on Can't people just do ther own thing let other do their's ??? I know a lot of the brother's on Channel 6 CB The just go out RF drag race , have a cook out , dance, talk , and have fun. then go home ..they don't harm anyone and to tell you the truth they are way more innovating than the so called appliance hams..Thats why the FCC has done nothing about it, they have known about all the RF shootouts for 20 years, believe me it's no secret I have even seen them at the shootouts walking around looking !!! John
[AMRadio] Fw: Two clean functional Mohawks for sale
All Mohawks and Apaches are SOLD Bob - Original Message - Subject: Two clean functional Mohawks for sale Gang, I have two functional Mohawks for sale. The usual issues: Drums cracked. Need dial cord(s) restrung. Reasonable offers? Bob - N0DGN Craf-T-Bob (Because I love Hallicrafters!) R-390A EAC '67, R-390A Collins '52, BC-610I, BC-939B, and BC-614E
