Re: [AMRadio] Re: Your comments about AM

[Clay Curtiss W7CE]

Mike Mertel, K7IR, developed what I believe is one the most innovative new
antenna ideas in years if not in decades.  The U.S. Patenet office
apparently agrees and awarded him a patent for it.  Mike is an Electrical
Engineer but I don't believe he worked in the antenna field before starting
SteppIR.  That was born from his interest in ham radio.

www.steppir.com

73,
Clay  W7CE

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Carling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Re: Your comments about AM


> Maybe I missed something...
> OK name something recent that was an innovation that
> radio amateur came up with that advanced the radio art.
>
> On 13 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Grant Youngman wrote:
>
> > > NO ONE in amateur radio "advances the technological art"
> > > these days. They haven't done so for many years.
> >
> > Maybe you're just not paying attention?
> >
> > Grant/NQ5T
> >
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Re: [AMRadio] Vote on RM-11305

[Anthony W. DePrato WA4JQS]

If the United States is the self-styled "land of liberty", why on Earth do
people like you favor continued overregulation of a HOBBY radio service?
RM-11305 is a breath of fresh air for us, offering to free us from the
stifling, nitpicking subband regulations that suffocate innovation and
relegate us Americans to second-class status in the worldwide amateur radio
community.


SNIP


the above is the problem too many who do not like to follow rules 
that have worked for decades.
there is always freeband cb for those who do not like what has worked 
for decades


Tony wa4jqs 

Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Mike Sawyer]

Brian said:
"But RM-0 would be OK too so long as ALL THREE
of these get a clause that includes allowing AM and CW forever,
AND a clause to rescind the stupid rule allowing unattended
QRM generators to run roughshod over everything else."


Brian,
My only problem with that is you once again wind up with unused 
spectrum, relegated essentially to CW. While those that prefer to work 
phone, put up with an over-crowding problem that just keeps getting bigger. 
I view RM-11305 as getting off of the pot sort of speak.  Those fellows that 
concieved it were obviously tired of the party line being put out by the 
ARRgghhL and figured there has to be something better. I look at it like its 
part of the body: If we don't use it, we lose it.
Mike(y)
W3SLK 

Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[RICHARD W GILLESPIE]

I lived in Toronto for 3 years. What goes smoothly in Canada is a different 
story here. Our constitution is about pursuit of happiness, their's about 
order. BS comparison in my view.


Dick/K5DIC



From: "Brian Carling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Discussion of AM Radio 


To: Discussion of AM Radio 
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:31:38 -0500

On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:59, Phil Galasso wrote:

> > This over-regulation holds true for a lot of other realms in the U.S.
> laws,
> > but I digress. The problem is that we are so accustomed to being
> > incentivized, and over-regulated that we do not have good 
self-discipline

> > on the bands.

> What an insulting, condescending attitude toward your fellow Americans!
> Canada once had similar, although somewhat more liberal, subband
> restrictions. They lifted them a few years ago and guess what...NO
> CHAOS!

Please don't make unlucky guesses about my so-called attitude.
I agree with you. We COULD pull this off just fine.
I am only saying that we HAVEN'T because the ridiculous
circumstances that YOU are bewailing have been foisted upon us.
Please try to understand a little better next time.
I am starting to think that the system you propose would be better
than the Arrl Bandwidth plan if we must have change.

I even offered to put a web page espousing the viewpoint, and yet
you seem to think I have an attitude to the contrary.
Please read more carefully!

We have three choices as I see it and none of them is ideal:

RM-11305 - a free for all and hope we can behave.
RM-11306 - the ARRL idiocy
RM-0 = Leave things alone.

I think I probably now prefer RM-11305 over RM-11306.
But RM-0 would be OK too so long as ALL THREE
of these get a clause that includes allowing AM and CW forever,
AND a clause to rescind the stupid rule allowing unattended
QRM generators to run roughshod over everything else.

We can create enough of our own mode wars with
Canadians pumping slop bucket QRM
 into the 40m CW sub-band, and turf wars on 75m phone!

It's going to be interesting to see how all of this tug-o-war plays
out between the various groups that have their conflicting
ideas set in stone.

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Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Brian Carling]

On 15 Jan 2006 at 12:59, Phil Galasso wrote:

> > This over-regulation holds true for a lot of other realms in the U.S.
> laws,
> > but I digress. The problem is that we are so accustomed to being
> > incentivized, and over-regulated that we do not have good self-discipline
> > on the bands.
 
> What an insulting, condescending attitude toward your fellow Americans!
> Canada once had similar, although somewhat more liberal, subband
> restrictions. They lifted them a few years ago and guess what...NO
> CHAOS!

Please don't make unlucky guesses about my so-called attitude.
I agree with you. We COULD pull this off just fine.
I am only saying that we HAVEN'T because the ridiculous 
circumstances that YOU are bewailing have been foisted upon us.
Please try to understand a little better next time. 
I am starting to think that the system you propose would be better 
than the Arrl Bandwidth plan if we must have change.

I even offered to put a web page espousing the viewpoint, and yet 
you seem to think I have an attitude to the contrary.
Please read more carefully!

We have three choices as I see it and none of them is ideal:

RM-11305 - a free for all and hope we can behave.
RM-11306 - the ARRL idiocy
RM-0 = Leave things alone.

I think I probably now prefer RM-11305 over RM-11306.
But RM-0 would be OK too so long as ALL THREE
of these get a clause that includes allowing AM and CW forever,
AND a clause to rescind the stupid rule allowing unattended
QRM generators to run roughshod over everything else.

We can create enough of our own mode wars with 
Canadians pumping slop bucket QRM
 into the 40m CW sub-band, and turf wars on 75m phone!

It's going to be interesting to see how all of this tug-o-war plays 
out between the various groups that have their conflicting
ideas set in stone.

Re: [AMRadio] Re: Your comments about AM

[Jim Isbell, W5JAI]

Well, the concept of cellular phones was taken from the 2 meter ham
community.  I remember having a keypad on my 2 meter hand held and an
autodial capability in the repeater long before cell phones were even
heard of.  It used to amaze my non ham friends that I could call home
while driving down the highwaynot so impressive anymore.

On 1/15/06, Brian Carling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe I missed something...
> OK name something recent that was an innovation that
> radio amateur came up with that advanced the radio art.
>
> On 13 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Grant Youngman wrote:
>
> > > NO ONE in amateur radio "advances the technological art"
> > > these days. They haven't done so for many years.
> >
> > Maybe you're just not paying attention?
> >
> > Grant/NQ5T
> >
> >
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RE: [AMRadio] Re: Your comments about AM

[Brian Carling]

Maybe I missed something... 
OK name something recent that was an innovation that 
radio amateur came up with that advanced the radio art. 

On 13 Jan 2006 at 16:32, Grant Youngman wrote:

> > NO ONE in amateur radio "advances the technological art"
> > these days. They haven't done so for many years.
> 
> Maybe you're just not paying attention?
> 
> Grant/NQ5T
> 
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Re: [AMRadio] recent comments on AM

[Brian Carling]

Do you REALLY think they took any notice of those e-mails?

The proposal was set in stone long before that.

On 13 Jan 2006 at 19:40, peter markavage wrote:

> I'll dance with him Mark.
> 
> 
> I saw several ways that polling was requested:
> August 10, 2004:
> http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html
> And last paragraph in this URL:
> Please read the synopsis of the petition, below, as well as the exact
> rules changes that will be proposed. If you have any questions or
> comments, please direct them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARRL staff will do
> its best to answer your questions. Comments will be forwarded to your
> ARRL division director. Members are also welcome, as always, to comment
> directly to their own director using the email address listed on page 15
> of any recent issue of QST. 
> 
> August 27, 2004
> ARRL Letter:
> http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/04/0827/
> ARRL Seeks Comment on Draft "Bandwidth" Petition
> 
> See the last paragraph.
> 
> I can probably quote a number of instances in QST Mag. from that time on
> where comments were requested.
> 
> My own Director, through our Division Monthly Newsletter, also requested
> input and comments to the proposal several times. 
> 
> Pete, wa2cwa
> 
> 
> > > From: Brian Carling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:35 PM
> > > To: Discussion of AM Radio
> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] recent comments on AM
> > >
> > >
> > > No, you let us know how they did such a great job of polling 
> > radio
> > > amateurs instead of side stepping and claiming that they did...
> > >
> > > Where's the beef?
> > >
> > > On 13 Jan 2006 at 15:15, peter markavage wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the English lesson. Let me know when you have more 
> > to
> > > > contribute to my grammar.
> > > > Pete, wa2cwa
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:05:13 -0500 "Brian Carling" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > writes:
> > > > > On 13 Jan 2006 at 14:46, peter markavage wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ARRL "request for comments to the draft proposal" is fully
> > > > > documented.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fully?
> > > > >
> > > > > As compared to what? Half-documented?
> > > > > How do you partially document something?
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[AMRadio] Occupied vs Necessary Bandwidth

[Donald Chester]

Occupied vs Necessary bandwidth

With the ARRL bandwidth petition, the  terms "occupied" and "necessary" 
bandwidth have come to  light.  Our comments to the FCC will be taken more 
seriously if we leave the impression that we know what we are talking about. 
 Specifically, we should know exactly what is meant by the terms "occupied" 
and "necessary" bandwidth.


The current set of definitions of the spectral properties of transmitter 
emissions,"necessary bandwidth," " occupied bandwidth," plus "out-of-band 
emission," " spurious emission," etc. contained in Article 1, Section VI, of 
the Radio Regulations came into being through the work of the World 
Administrative Radio Conference in Geneva, 1979.


"Necessary bandwidth" is the width of the frequency band which is just 
sufficient to ensure the transmission of information at the rate and with 
the quality required under specified conditions for a given class of 
emission.


"Occupied bandwidth" is the width of a frequency band such that, below the 
lower and above the upper frequency limits, the mean powers emitted are each 
equal to 0.5% of the emitted power. This is also known as the 99% emission 
bandwidth.


For further information, view the following websites:

Terminology:  “channel bandwidth” is defined in conjunction with the terms 
“occupied bandwidth” and “necessary bandwidth” that are defined by ITU Radio 
Regulations S1.153 (occupied bandwidth) and S1.152 (necessary bandwidth), as 
follows:


"Occupied bandwidth: The width of a frequency band such that, below the 
lower and above the upper frequency limits, the mean powers emitted are each 
equal to a specified percentage B /2 of the total mean power of a given 
emission. Unless otherwise specified by the CCIR for the appropriate class 
of emission, the value of B /2 should be taken as 0.5%.


"Note 1: The percentage of the total power outside the occupied bandwidth is 
represented by B.


"Note 2: In some cases, e.g., multichannel frequency-division multiplexing 
systems, use of the 0.5% limits may lead to certain difficulties in the 
practical application of the definition of occupied and necessary bandwidth; 
in such cases, a different percentage may prove useful.“


"Necessary bandwidth: For a given class of emission, the width of the 
frequency band which is just sufficient to ensure the transmission of 
information at the rate and with the quality required under specified 
conditions."


grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/20/Contribs/C802.20-04-11r1c.doc  (copy & 
paste into your browser, then download the Word document)



"Necessary bandwidth:  For a given class of emission, the minimum value of 
the occupied bandwidth sufficient to ensure the transmission of information 
at the rate and with the quality required for the system employed, under 
specified conditions. Emissions useful for the good functioning of the 
receiving equipment as, for example, the emission corresponding to the 
carrier systems, shall be included in the necessary bandwidth."


http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind&bus/licensing/bandwidth.html



"Occupied bandwidth:

"1. The width of a frequency band such that, below the lower and above the 
upper frequency limits, the mean powers emitted are each equal to a 
specified percentage B /2 of the total mean power of a given emission. 
Unless otherwise specified by the CCIR for the appropriate class of 
emission, the value of B /2 should be taken as 0.5%. [NTIA] [RR] Note 1: The 
percentage of the total power outside the occupied bandwidth is represented 
by B. Note 2: In some cases, e.g., multichannel frequency-division 
multiplexing systems, use of the 0.5% limits may lead to certain 
difficulties in the practical application of the definition of occupied and 
necessary bandwidth; in such cases, a different percentage may prove useful.


"2. The frequency bandwidth such that, below its lower and above its upper 
frequency limits, the mean powers radiated are each equal to 0.5% of the 
total mean power radiated by a given emission. [47CFR]"


http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_occupied_bandwidth.html


Check out some of these sites at: 
http://www.google.com/search?q=necessary+bandwidth,+occupied+bandwidth,+necessary+bandwidth&hl=en&lr=lang_en|lang_fr&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=0&sa=N




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Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Phil Galasso]

- Original Message -
> I haven't yet combined the activities with gulping down "deep fried
> Oreo's yet, but now that I have the recipe (thanks to your web
> site)watch out!

Hey Jim,
Wait until I put the recipe for chocolate covered prunes (developed on New
Year's Day) on the site! That would allow people to fit right in with the
SSB crowd on 75 and the crowd that hangs out on the local 2 m repeater
during the day, talking about their last BMs and their medical problems.
BTW, that confection tastes a lot like Raisinettes.

Did you try my chocolate enrobed cake recipe yet? That one's GUARANTEED to
add a couple of inches to your waist! It won't go well with Pabst Blue
Ribbon, though...but, then, neither do the prunes. I'll stick to eating the
deep fried Oreos when I'm drinking beer...I prefer Yuengling (our local
brand) to Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Gotta go now...no flower beds here in frozen Northeast Pennsylvania in
January, just plenty of snow!

Phil G.
K2PG

[AMRadio] 15 Open, Perhaps?

[Mike Duke, K5XU]

I'm hearing SSB out of W8 on 15.

I assume that's from Ohio, because I just tuned across 11 meters where a guy 
from Cleveland was pounding in on channel 6. He said he was running a 
"barefoot Johnson Viking Valiant." To his credit, it was sounding good, was 
not splattering, and did not have one of those God-awful echo boxes 
attached.

So, I'll hang around 21.425 for a little while to see what gives.





Mike Duke, K5XU
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs

RE: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Bob Peters]

I have the Solder-It kit that the demoed at Dayton and other hamfests.
Best Iron I have ever owned for outside work...Little pricy but the guy
is a ham that owns the company

Bob W1PE

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Sawyer
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:22 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron
review

Don,
I have a butane 'powered' Weller iron that is just the berries for
doing 
outside antenna work. You can take the tip off and it becomes a small
blow 
torch which has helped when working with copperweld lines. Usually those

gadgets on TV that you end up being saturated with commercials are
generally 
nothing more than snake oil.
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron
review


>From: "Jim candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...


I recall seeing a soldering iron demo at Datyon one year,  that used
liquid
fuel, something like lighter fluid, that contained a miniature blowtorch
that heated a real honest-to-God copper soldering tip.  It took it only
a
few seconds warm up, and worked just like an electric soldering iron. It
was
about the same size as 150-watt electric job.  That's what I thought of
first upon hearing about a "Coleman soldering iron."

I have actually tried to solder using the same technique as the one
described earlier, when the tip on my Weller soldering gun would break
it
two.  I had almost identical results.  Ended up making an emergency
replacement tip out of a piece of #10 or #12 bare copper wire.

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[AMRadio] Free TS-497B/URR Signal Generator

[Brian K Harris]

This TS-497B/URR was my bench generator for about 30 years.  Now I have a 
URM-25 and an HP solid state generator so I no longer need it.  The 
TS-497B/URR covers 2 to 400 Megacycles/Megahertz.  It works and has full 
AM modulation, however I can't set the RF output level calibration level 
so the actual output level may not be what the calibrated output 
attenuator says it should be.  This is probably a problem with the level 
detector itself, which is a separate circuit, so I don't expect it will 
difficult to solve.  It's immaculate inside, actually a work of art, and 
the outside isn't bad either.  I think it uses a 9002 oscillator.

You can have it for free if you pick it up in the Dallas, TX area.  If I 
have to ship it, I am going to charge $5 to pack it and haul it to UPS 
plus you are going to pay the shipping.  It will weigh 49-50 pounds when 
properly packed.   Pictures, inside and out, are available on request.

If there are multiple requests for this generator I'll give it to the 
person with the best story.   It nobody wants it between now and next 
weekend, it gets parted out, which I really don't want to do.

Stay tuned, there's more free stuff to come.
 
Brian K. Harris, WA5UEK

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Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Mike Sawyer]

Don,
I have a butane 'powered' Weller iron that is just the berries for doing 
outside antenna work. You can take the tip off and it becomes a small blow 
torch which has helped when working with copperweld lines. Usually those 
gadgets on TV that you end up being saturated with commercials are generally 
nothing more than snake oil.
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review


>From: "Jim candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...


I recall seeing a soldering iron demo at Datyon one year,  that used liquid
fuel, something like lighter fluid, that contained a miniature blowtorch
that heated a real honest-to-God copper soldering tip.  It took it only a
few seconds warm up, and worked just like an electric soldering iron. It was
about the same size as 150-watt electric job.  That's what I thought of
first upon hearing about a "Coleman soldering iron."

I have actually tried to solder using the same technique as the one
described earlier, when the tip on my Weller soldering gun would break it
two.  I had almost identical results.  Ended up making an emergency
replacement tip out of a piece of #10 or #12 bare copper wire.

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RE: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Donald Chester]

From: "Jim candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...



I recall seeing a soldering iron demo at Datyon one year,  that used liquid 
fuel, something like lighter fluid, that contained a miniature blowtorch 
that heated a real honest-to-God copper soldering tip.  It took it only a 
few seconds warm up, and worked just like an electric soldering iron. It was 
about the same size as 150-watt electric job.  That's what I thought of 
first upon hearing about a "Coleman soldering iron."


I have actually tried to solder using the same technique as the one 
described earlier, when the tip on my Weller soldering gun would break it 
two.  I had almost identical results.  Ended up making an emergency 
replacement tip out of a piece of #10 or #12 bare copper wire.


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Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Donald Chester]

From: "Brian Carling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



On the more pessimistic side, this ridiculous RM-11305 could
be there just to make RM-11306 look more palatable.

Kind of like showing your kid a brussell sprout so that he will
feel better about eating the carrot he does not want!


Actually, I'd take the former.  I love cooked brussell sprouts.  I hate 
cooked carrots.


For some people who at first reading might agree with RM-11306, reading 
RM-11305 just might lead them to reconsider.



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RE: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Jim candela]

Phill Galasso said, "Are Canadians and Europeans
somehow part of an amateur radio elite, while Americans are uncultured slobs
who sit on their porches guzzling Pabst Blue Ribbon and peeing in their
flower beds? Please give us more credit for that!"

Hey Phill,   I bought a privacy fence for a reason! Have you been spying on
me? I haven't yet combined the activities with gulping down "deep fried
Oreo's yet, but now that I have the recipe (thanks to your web
site)watch out!

Got to go, nature calls...where's that flowerbed? :-)

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO

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Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Phil Galasso]

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305


> This over-regulation holds true for a lot of other realms in the U.S.
laws,
> but I digress. The problem is that we are so accustomed to being
> incentivized, and over-regulated that we do not have good self-discipline
> on the bands.

What an insulting, condescending attitude toward your fellow Americans!
Canada once had similar, although somewhat more liberal, subband
restrictions. They lifted them a few years ago and guess what...NO CHAOS!
Does one somehow become incapable of following band plans once he or she
crosses the border into the United States? Are Canadians and Europeans
somehow part of an amateur radio elite, while Americans are uncultured slobs
who sit on their porches guzzling Pabst Blue Ribbon and peeing in their
flower beds? Please give us more credit for that!

Yes, we have our share of idiots on the bands. Maybe, if we had a little
more room to spread out, instead of being crammed into narrow phone
subbands, there would be less "stepping on" the AM window by SSB operators.
I spend a lot of time on 160 meters, usually on 1885. If I hear SSB there, I
invite those guys to join us. As a result, I have had many pleasant
cross-mode QSOs and some of the SSB'ers have switched to AM! No turf
wars...just good, old ham radio at its best.

I for one am so sick of these self-hating American hams who think along the
lines of the old "N-s to the back of the bus!" mentality as far as our
operating priveliges are concerned. Although I have held an Extra Class
license since 1976, I feel that it is a second-class license vis-a-vis
licenses issued by other countries because of these antiquated restrictions.
Enough is enough!

Phil Galasso
K2PG

Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Mike Sawyer]

Jim,
They are called Isotips. The are very good but you have to be careful 
sometimes the tips can short out causing overload on the batteries which 
make a mess. But other than that, they are very reliable.
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review


Years ago I had a portable soldering iron that had a conventional tip
and an internal rechargable battery.  It was about the same size as
the "cold heat" iron, but it was a conventional, battery powered
soldering iron and it worked GREAT.  It came with a charging stand and
I never ran it down.  Dont know where it is now...lost in the garage I
suppose.

On 1/15/06, George KB2Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 2 amps at 4 1/2 VDC sounds like a lot of juice.
> George KB2Z
>
>
>
>
> At 10:05 AM 1/15/06, you wrote:
>
>
> >   Hi All,
> >
> > I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long 
> > seen
> >the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
> >shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma / 
> >hr
> >NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip 
> >such
> >that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
> >tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then 
> >yes
> >it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. 
> >Next
> >step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I 
> >had
> >to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, 
> >warmed,
> >cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30 
> >seconds,
> >no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic 
> >from
> >the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite 
> >elements.
> >The tip was shot!
> >
> >Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
> >Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$
> >
> >Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...
> >
> >Regards,
> >Jim Candela
> >WD5JKO
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RE: [AMRadio] Vote on RM-11305

[UVCM INC]

Phil,
please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brad KB7FQR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Galasso
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:51 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Vote on RM-11305



- Original Message - >
> Even if all you wish to say is "I oppose RM-11305",
> please do so.

If the United States is the self-styled "land of liberty", why on Earth do
people like you favor continued overregulation of a HOBBY radio service?
RM-11305 is a breath of fresh air for us, offering to free us from the
stifling, nitpicking subband regulations that suffocate innovation and
relegate us Americans to second-class status in the worldwide amateur radio
community.

RM-11306 is the bad one. That's the petition that would simply substitute
one set of nitpicking regulations for another.

Let's get with the IARU band plan for Region 2 and forget about these
ossified, government-mandated band plans. As for the problem of ignorant SSB
ops who like to "step on" the AM window and overzealous contesters...let
Hollingsworth deal with them! We have problems with them now, even with
overregulation.

This issue of overbearing government regulations should especially strike a
chord with people in 4-land. Didn't you guys fight a civil war over 100
years ago over that very issue, as the Confederacy sought to free itself
from an overbearing, overreaching central government in Washington?

Phil Galasso
K2PG


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Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Jim Isbell, W5JAI]

Years ago I had a portable soldering iron that had a conventional tip
and an internal rechargable battery.  It was about the same size as
the "cold heat" iron, but it was a conventional, battery powered
soldering iron and it worked GREAT.  It came with a charging stand and
I never ran it down.  Dont know where it is now...lost in the garage I
suppose.

On 1/15/06, George KB2Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 2 amps at 4 1/2 VDC sounds like a lot of juice.
> George KB2Z
>
>
>
>
> At 10:05 AM 1/15/06, you wrote:
>
>
> >   Hi All,
> >
> > I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long seen
> >the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
> >shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma / hr
> >NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip such
> >that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
> >tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then yes
> >it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. Next
> >step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I had
> >to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, warmed,
> >cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30 seconds,
> >no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic from
> >the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite elements.
> >The tip was shot!
> >
> >Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
> >Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$
> >
> >Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...
> >
> >Regards,
> >Jim Candela
> >WD5JKO
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Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Jim Wilhite]

Jim the Coleman product is a branded product from those people who advertise 
on cable TV.


https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vcc/coldheat/coldheat/products/127700/

My wife thought it would be a good birthday gift so I have one too.  I tried 
it one time and had the same results.  The bad part is they reminded her 
that an optional tip would be best so she bought it.


Cost, $19.95 for the iron, $35 for the optional tip + shipping.  Another 
thing, as you pointed out, it uses electricity flowing through the joint to 
melt the solder.  There are some things I don't want electricity flowing 
through.


I don't know about Coleman, but the Cold Heat people advertise that if you 
are not satisfied they will refund your money.  I am going to check 
tomorrow.


73  Jim
W5JO

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review





 Hi All,

   I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long seen
the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma / 
hr

NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip such
that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then yes
it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. Next
step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I had
to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, warmed,
cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30 
seconds,
no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic 
from

the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite elements.
The tip was shot!

  Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$

Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO

Re: [AMRadio] Vote on RM-11305

[Phil Galasso]

- Original Message - >
> Even if all you wish to say is "I oppose RM-11305",
> please do so.

If the United States is the self-styled "land of liberty", why on Earth do
people like you favor continued overregulation of a HOBBY radio service?
RM-11305 is a breath of fresh air for us, offering to free us from the
stifling, nitpicking subband regulations that suffocate innovation and
relegate us Americans to second-class status in the worldwide amateur radio
community.

RM-11306 is the bad one. That's the petition that would simply substitute
one set of nitpicking regulations for another.

Let's get with the IARU band plan for Region 2 and forget about these
ossified, government-mandated band plans. As for the problem of ignorant SSB
ops who like to "step on" the AM window and overzealous contesters...let
Hollingsworth deal with them! We have problems with them now, even with
overregulation.

This issue of overbearing government regulations should especially strike a
chord with people in 4-land. Didn't you guys fight a civil war over 100
years ago over that very issue, as the Confederacy sought to free itself
from an overbearing, overreaching central government in Washington?

Phil Galasso
K2PG

Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[George KB2Z]

Hi Jim,
2 amps at 4 1/2 VDC sounds like a lot of juice.
George KB2Z




At 10:05 AM 1/15/06, you wrote:



  Hi All,

I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long seen
the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma / hr
NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip such
that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then yes
it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. Next
step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I had
to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, warmed,
cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30 seconds,
no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic from
the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite elements.
The tip was shot!

   Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$

Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO
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Re: [AMRadio] Here's another Web site

[Phil Galasso]

Permission granted!

Thanks,
Phil Galasso
K2PG


- Original Message -
From: "Brian Carling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Here's another Web site


> Excellent Phil.
>
> I wonder if we can help if many of us put that same page on our
> web sites.
>
> May I have your permission to put it up at AF4K?
>
> Let's get the word out. This could spread like wild fire.
>
> On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:41, Phil Galasso wrote:
>
> > Two can play at W8JI's game. I have added a page to my own Web site,
> > www.k2pg.com, detailing both Petitions for Rulemaking and providing
links to
> > the appropriate pages of the FCC Web site.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Phil
> > K2PG
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Re: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Bill]

I regret to say that I have to confirm Jim's report; the thing is a hyped up
piece of junk. Not only did they rip me off with excess shipping, but never
bothered to send me the wire stripper. And to top it off, about the only
good part of the gadget is the carrying case.  It sits on the shelf,
unloved.

73,   Bill Fizette  w2dgb


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review


>
>
>   Hi All,
>
> I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long seen
> the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
> shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma /
hr
> NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip such
> that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
> tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then yes
> it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. Next
> step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I had
> to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, warmed,
> cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30
seconds,
> no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic
from
> the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite elements.
> The tip was shot!
>
>Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
> Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$
>
> Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...
>
> Regards,
> Jim Candela
> WD5JKO
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RE: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Mike Sanders K0AZ]

Thanks for the report Jim.

K0AZ  Mike Sanders
18169 Highway 174
MT Vernon, Missouri 65712-9171
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:05 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: [AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review




  Hi All,

I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long seen
the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma / hr
NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip such
that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then yes
it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. Next
step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I had
to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, warmed,
cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30 seconds,
no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic from
the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite elements.
The tip was shot!

   Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$

Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO
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[AMRadio] Coleman Powermate "Cold Heat" Soldering iron review

[Jim candela]

  Hi All,

I received one of these soldering irons for Christmas. I've long seen
the ads, and wondered if this device would be a useful addition to my ham
shack. They take 3 "AA" batteries, and I had 3 freshly charged 2000 ma / hr
NIMH batteries handy. The device appears to have a graphite split tip such
that no current flows until something conductive is put into the gap. I
tried solder, and had to wiggle it around to make connection, and then yes
it did melt briefly until the blob fell out opening the current path. Next
step was to solder something. I tried to unsolder a wire from a PCB. I had
to change angle to get the connection, and the pad warmed, cooled, warmed,
cooled as I moved the iron to regain the connection. After about 30 seconds,
no more heat...just cold heat I guess. I looked at the tip, and plastic from
the tip mount had melted and filled the gap between the graphite elements.
The tip was shot!

   Right now my Coleman soldering iron is in the trash can alongside my
Tornado fuel saver. %^$^%$*^&^%*$*$

Don't waste your money on this soldering iron...

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO
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Re: [AMRadio] RE: Recent comments on AM

[Brian Carling]

How does Websteres define "Ran roughshod" Pete?

On 14 Jan 2006 at 2:51, peter markavage wrote:

> On line Dictionary: A survey of the public or of a sample of public
> opinion to acquire information.
> Webster's (One of several meanings): A questioning or canvassing of
> persons, usually selected at random or by quota from various groups, for
> obtaining information or opinions, especially to be analyzed.
> 
> I will agree, so as not to confuse the masses, that "requested comments"
> from members and nonmembers on the proposal probably would have been a
> better choice of words than to use something like "they polled their
> members" for comments.
> 
> Pete, wa2cwa
> 
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:53:43 -0500 "Bill Ramsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> >   I think we are confusing conducting a "poll" with soliciting 
> > comments. A
> > "poll" implies that there will be a numerical "result" that will be 
> > revealed
> > at the end of the poll which shows how many of the population 
> > "polled" were
> > for or against the issue in question.
> > 
> >   The ARRL did NOT conduct a poll.
> > 
> >   The ARRL did solicit comments, as stated else where. However there 
> > was no
> > feedback as to how many folks commented or what the comments 
> > involved or any
> > indication that the ARRL even read or considered what was sent to 
> > them.
> > 
> >   My Director solicited comments. In one of his letters he stated 
> > the tally
> > of comments he had received "for" and "against" the proposal. He 
> > apparently
> > did not count mine and two other comments that I know were sent and 
> > were
> > against. It seems we may have been in the group that he said did 
> > not
> > understand the proposal. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   The bottom line is, whether the ARRL conducted a poll or not is a 
> > mute
> > issue at this time. Let's make our comments to the FCC on RM-11306 
> > so we can
> > get rid of this nonsense. If you want to try and hammer the ARRL 
> > into shape
> > later, fine.
> > 
> >   Let's STOP RM-11306 NOW!!
> >   
> > Bill
> > 
> > KA8WTK   
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Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Brian Carling]

This over-regulation holds true for a lot of other realms in the U.S. laws, 
but I digress. The problem is that we are so accustomed to being 
incentivized, and over-regulated that we do not have good self-discipline 
on the bands. So much for self-policing. Riley stops the tip of the iceberg. 

It comes out in SSBers trying to stomp on AMers, and the wholesale 
disregard for ALL other modes that has been amply demonstrated by 
the UNATTENDED Pactor Robot QRO land-based stations, which 
supply commercial internet services to ships at sea on the amateur radio 
bands.

This is looking more and more like a catch twenty-two for
amateur radio. I think 10m may end up being the most useful and
peaceful band for AM and CW ops.

On 14 Jan 2006 at 17:32, Phil Galasso wrote:

> 
> - Original Message -
> Subject: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305
> 
> 
> > The following web page has appeared, in opposition to RM-11305.
> >
> > http://www.w8ji.com/rm-11305.htm
> >
> > There is a link off that page that goes to:
> >
> > http://www.w8ji.com/supporters.htm
> 
> Amazing, isn't it. Americans love to preach about liberty to the rest of the
> world, yet American radio amateurs, if W8JI and his ilk are typical, just
> LOVE our current "Mommy, may I" system of regulations. The United States is
> the ONLY country in the world that still dictates emission subbands by
> government fiat...WHY? Ironically, even Castro's Cuba has more lenient
> amateur radio regulations than we do, as they do not divide the amateur
> bands into subbands determined by emission, bandwidth, or any other
> criterion. People like W8JI and his sycophants in Newington remind me of the
> nerdy little kid who would always ask the teacher to assign more homework to
> the class until he got the living s--t pounded out of him by his classmates.
> 
> It's time for US to do that to the "nerdy little kids" in our amateur radio
> community, not physically, but legally. If you haven't done so, download
> both petitions from the FCC Web site, do a little research (such as
> comparing our Part 97 with the amateur radio regulations in other countries,
> such as Canada), and write some thorough, carefully thought out comments,
> being sure to back up EVERYTHING that you write. Brief comments, such as
> "This proposal sucks" or "This proposal is the greatest thing to happen to
> ham radio since Marconi sent the letter 's' across the Atlantic" will show
> up on the FCC site, but they won't carry much weight. Be sure to have a good
> dictionary and a thesaurus at hand, as spelling and grammatical errors make
> a very poor impression. Then let's deal with W8JI during the "Reply
> Comments" phase of this proceeding.
> 
> As Larry (W3LW) states on this reflector, the FCC is under a congressional
> mandate promoting deregulation. Let's make our own voices heard in this
> matter and persuade the Commission to get rid of the nitpicking subband
> regulations that have plagued the Amateur Radio Service for many decades by
> filing our comments at the FCC Web site. I did.
> 
> Phil K2PG

Re: [AMRadio] Web page appears in opposition to RM-11305

[Brian Carling]

On the more pessimistic side, this ridiculous RM-11305 could 
be there just to make RM-11306 look more palatable.

Kind of like showing your kid a brussell sprout so that he will 
feel better about eating the carrot he does not want!

On 14 Jan 2006 at 21:48, Donald Chester wrote:

> The following web page has appeared, in opposition to RM-11305.
> 
> http://www.w8ji.com/rm-11305.htm
> 
> There is a link off that page that goes to:
> 
> http://www.w8ji.com/supporters.htm
> 
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Re: [AMRadio] Here's another Web site

[Brian Carling]

Excellent Phil.

I wonder if we can help if many of us put that same page on our 
web sites.

May I have your permission to put it up at AF4K?

Let's get the word out. This could spread like wild fire.

On 14 Jan 2006 at 18:41, Phil Galasso wrote:

> Two can play at W8JI's game. I have added a page to my own Web site,
> www.k2pg.com, detailing both Petitions for Rulemaking and providing links to
> the appropriate pages of the FCC Web site.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Phil
> K2PG
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[AMRadio] Vote on RM-11305

[Dave Aabye]

The recent message fom Don, K4KYV (Subj:  Web page
appears in opposition to RM-11305) contains the
following link, which makes it VERY EASY to express
one's opinion on RM-11305 directly to the FCC.  

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Even if all you wish to say is "I oppose RM-11305",
please do so.

73 to all,

Dave, W4QCU
Oak Ridge, TN