[AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Up to an extra 150 kc/s for phone on 75 m for Extra class. 75m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 3850-4000 3775-4000 3750-4000 New 3800-4000 3700-4000 3600-4000 Increase 50 75150 40m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 7225-73007150-73007150-7300 New 7175-73007125-73007125-7300 Increase5025 25 Much better than anything I had anticipated, but we are still left with a cumbersome matrix of subbands based on operator class combined with emission mode. Considering the relief in congestion we have already experienced due to the general decline in amateur activity in recent years, there should be plenty of room for all on 75m, without the griping about AM taking up too much room on the crowded band. Of course, if the FCC eventually eliminates the code requirement, expect an initial spike in activity as hoards of no-code Techs upgrade, but after the initial spike I predict a return to stagnant growth. There should still be plenty of room for AM activity. Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. I have looked over the R O, but I am not sure if it means that 3600-3700 is restricted to Extra class for all modes, or just that Extras can now use phone in the segment. How this will affect non-voice licence class restrictions is not made entirely clear in the FCC document: 12. Regarding the division among license classes of the spectrum on which we today authorize phone emissions, we adopt the Commissions proposal to authorize stations of General Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3800-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 50 kHz the spectrum for voice communications by these stations. Because we have decided to authorize more 75 m spectrum for voice communications than was proposed in the NPRM, we also authorize stations of Advanced Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3700-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 75 kHz the amount of spectrum for voice communications by these stations. We also authorize stations of Amateur Extra Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3600-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 150 kHz the spectrum authorized to these stations for voice communications. In the 40 m and 15 m bands, we adopt the Commissions proposal to authorize stations of Amateur Extra and Advanced Class licensees 7125-7300 kHz, stations of General Class licensees 7175-7300 kHz, and stations of General Class licensees 21275-21450 kHz for phone communications. If Generals and above will still be able to use 3600-3700 for non-voice modes, expect digital modes to continue to operate in this segment. I suspect that may be the reason such a big hunk was set aside for Extras - to limit phone activity in that region of the band so that some of the digital stuff can continue on those frequencies. Although the thinking of government agencies is extremely unpredictable, this doesn't look well for the ARRL's bandwidth proposal. If the FCC were seriously considering limitations by bandwidth any time soon, it is unlikely they would have gone to all the trouble to work out this plan, only to have to revise it in the near future to accomodate subbands-by-bandwidth. Looks like we'll soon be able to join the Canadians in their AM Window on 3720. The change is expected to go into effect sometime in mid-November. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] FOR SALE
Say Rick everyone... Do you have ANY idea how to DELETE old ads on that bulletin board? I have searched the site quite a bit and couldn't find out how to do that! From: Rick Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, take a look at the R-388/URR for sale at: http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?board=33.0 While you're there. look around, it has GROWN! Lots of super deals! Thanks, Rick/K5IZ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Amended rules (Dkt No.04-140)
Hmmm - the 40m designation looks just like what we have now. Did I miss something? FCC Daily Digest Vol. 25 No. 196 October 11, 2006 THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE DATED AND RELEASED TODAY: AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES GOVERNING THE AMATEUR RADIO SERVICES. Amended the rules in this proceeding. (Dkt No.04-140). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 10/04/2006 by RO. (FCC No. 06-149). WTB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.txt __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] FOR SALE
If you're logged in, and it was originally posted by you, there should be a button at the bottom that says Remove Topic. On the other hand, an administrator can set a particular forum where topics can not be removed. My suggestion would be to simply edit/modify the topic (if you sell an item) to say SOLD, etc., etc. On 10/12/06, Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say Rick everyone... Do you have ANY idea how to DELETE old ads on that bulletin board? I have searched the site quite a bit and couldn't find out how to do that! From: Rick Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, take a look at the R-388/URR for sale at: http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?board=33.0 While you're there. look around, it has GROWN! Lots of super deals! Thanks, Rick/K5IZ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net -- There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. -- Frank Lloyd Wright __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Amended rules (Dkt No.04-140)
OK sorry guys - read further and saw what they are proposing. No opinion yet. Hmmm - the 40m designation looks just like what we have now. Did I miss something? FCC Daily Digest Vol. 25 No. 196 October 11, 2006 THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE DATED AND RELEASED TODAY: AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES GOVERNING THE AMATEUR RADIO SERVICES. Amended the rules in this proceeding. (Dkt No.04-140). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 10/04/2006 by RO. (FCC No. 06-149). WTB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.txt __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
It's about time! Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3.805 Mhz every Monday at 8 PM EDST and 14.253 Mhz every Saturday at 12 Noon EDST Collins Chatroom - Daily at 4 PM EDST on 7.203 Mhz - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Up to an extra 150 kc/s for phone on 75 m for Extra class. 75m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 3850-4000 3775-4000 3750-4000 New 3800-4000 3700-4000 3600-4000 Increase 50 75150 40m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 7225-73007150-73007150-7300 New 7175-73007125-73007125-7300 Increase5025 25 Much better than anything I had anticipated, but we are still left with a cumbersome matrix of subbands based on operator class combined with emission mode. Considering the relief in congestion we have already experienced due to the general decline in amateur activity in recent years, there should be plenty of room for all on 75m, without the griping about AM taking up too much room on the crowded band. Of course, if the FCC eventually eliminates the code requirement, expect an initial spike in activity as hoards of no-code Techs upgrade, but after the initial spike I predict a return to stagnant growth. There should still be plenty of room for AM activity. Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. I have looked over the R O, but I am not sure if it means that 3600-3700 is restricted to Extra class for all modes, or just that Extras can now use phone in the segment. How this will affect non-voice licence class restrictions is not made entirely clear in the FCC document: 12. Regarding the division among license classes of the spectrum on which we today authorize phone emissions, we adopt the Commission's proposal to authorize stations of General Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3800-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 50 kHz the spectrum for voice communications by these stations. Because we have decided to authorize more 75 m spectrum for voice communications than was proposed in the NPRM, we also authorize stations of Advanced Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3700-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 75 kHz the amount of spectrum for voice communications by these stations. We also authorize stations of Amateur Extra Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3600-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 150 kHz the spectrum authorized to these stations for voice communications. In the 40 m and 15 m bands, we adopt the Commission's proposal to authorize stations of Amateur Extra and Advanced Class licensees 7125-7300 kHz, stations of General Class licensees 7175-7300 kHz, and stations of General Class licensees 21275-21450 kHz for phone communications. If Generals and above will still be able to use 3600-3700 for non-voice modes, expect digital modes to continue to operate in this segment. I suspect that may be the reason such a big hunk was set aside for Extras - to limit phone activity in that region of the band so that some of the digital stuff can continue on those frequencies. Although the thinking of government agencies is extremely unpredictable, this doesn't look well for the ARRL's bandwidth proposal. If the FCC were seriously considering limitations by bandwidth any time soon, it is unlikely they would have gone to all the trouble to work out this plan, only to have to revise it in the near future to accomodate subbands-by-bandwidth. Looks like we'll soon be able to join the Canadians in their AM Window on 3720. The change is expected to go into effect sometime in mid-November. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Brian, As an active AMer and 75M DXer, I request that you please not offer crystals within 10 KHz of the 75M DX window which is from 3789 to 3800. Its a very small window and many of the signals there are very weak. We know how much we hate it when SSB QSOs start up on top of our QSOs. Let's not do the same to the one portion of 75M where most of the operators are gentlemen who will actually stand by so someone else can work a new country. 73, Clay W7CE - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
[AMRadio] FWIW
Rick, your suggestion's worth a lot. The audience on amfone.net is the most distinct, concentrated, and active in the vintage end of the hobby. Thanks for pointing out. 1. For What It's Worth (Rick Brashear) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] FOR SALE
Brian, There should be a DELETE button next to the MODIFY and others when you are logged in and looking at your ad. I have always just marked them SOLD by using the modify. Rick Brian Carling wrote: Say Rick everyone... Do you have ANY idea how to DELETE old ads on that bulletin board? I have searched the site quite a bit and couldn't find out how to do that! __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Amended rules (Dkt No.04-140)
On 10/12/06, Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK sorry guys - read further and saw what they are proposing. Not proposing, Brian: implementing. Stay tuned for increased phone spectrum in the existing bands. Not that it will do away with the perceived frequency ownership issues or nonsense nets (reserved ragchew frequencies). At least we'll have more space to spread out. Now, if we can just get half of the people who need a 'net' as an excuse to get on AM to fire up without someone holding their hand for them, AM will flourish. Thank God for the tall ships like Don Chester 'KYV, 'HUZ, 'HLR and others who keep the AM flag waving regularly. May the increase in phone spectrum bring along an increase in activity. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
RE: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
I wonder if the FCC plan is to trade us the bandwidth for BPL sharing. They are really being stupid about this BPL thing. There must be a lot of money and big company push involved. John, WA5BXO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Come on John, money playing a part in a stupid decision like this? Surely you jest. 73 Jim W5JO I wonder if the FCC plan is to trade us the bandwidth for BPL sharing. They are really being stupid about this BPL thing. There must be a lot of money and big company push involved. John, WA5BXO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
RE: [AMRadio] FOR SALE
Brian wrote: Do you have ANY idea how to DELETE old ads on that bulletin board? Ads are normally deleted by moderators only. Your ad will eventually disappear when it gets bumped down the list by more recent ads. Eventually, if nothing else is done, it'll get dropped way down on the list where no one will see it. You can ask Gary or some other moderator to kill it. Ed, VA3ES __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Yeah... Jim... I agree. I've never heard of money influencing the outcome of a political decision! ;-) Rick Jim Wilhite wrote: Come on John, money playing a part in a stupid decision like this? Surely you jest. 73 Jim W5JO I wonder if the FCC plan is to trade us the bandwidth for BPL sharing. They are really being stupid about this BPL thing. There must be a lot of money and big company push involved. John, WA5BXO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Amended rules (Dkt No.04-140)
As an Extra, you used to be able to go down to 7150, now it's 7125. - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Amended rules (Dkt No.04-140) Hmmm - the 40m designation looks just like what we have now. Did I miss something? FCC Daily Digest Vol. 25 No. 196 October 11, 2006 THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE DATED AND RELEASED TODAY: AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES GOVERNING THE AMATEUR RADIO SERVICES. Amended the rules in this proceeding. (Dkt No.04-140). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 10/04/2006 by RO. (FCC No. 06-149). WTB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.txt __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:50:11 -0400 Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. Use it all, phone is phone. It's not like the SSB users have any respect for the so-called AM window. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Considering the fact that you are outnumbered by 500 to 1 at any given time, I would think it wise to stay up at the top of each band and not go sit in an area where DX is typically found, which is usually at the bottom of each band. Also, since a strong SSB signal can wreak havoc with an AM signal, you're not going to win the battle for the frequency. I operate SSB and AM and I have seen the results of head to head confrontations. Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:50:11 -0400 Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
You said it, phone is phone; AM is phone; Calling frequency was also not defined as a QSO frequency but I know what you mean. Since all these changes to FCC's Part 97 Rules were actually accepted by the FCC two years ago, the ARRL has had that much time to formulate a revised band plan to take the changes into consideration. Will probably also include some of the stuff they presented in their Bandwidth Proposal. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. Use it all, phone is phone. It's not like the SSB users have any respect for the so-called AM window. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? 500-1? I think you need to get on a bit more often, Bob. AM has made a huge comeback over the last decade, and the 'gentleman's agreement' you mention seems only to be respected by the AMers. Just check 3870 - 3890 any night, you'll hear them trying to make problems. The reason there haven't been AM issues in other areas in only because the AM group tends to stay up above, certainly not because of any agreement. And as far as battles go, the strapping AM signals win out everytime. If you're pissweak, you're covered up - regardless of mode. Up here in the northeast, AMers make full use of the 'window' as well as other phone frequencies. Which is why the impending move to Florida concerns me a bit. All I've heard about down there is that 'the SSB guys won't let us operate anywhere but 3885' or 'you need to get on in the morning' etc. AM continues to grow as more and more people discover its pleasant sound and hands-on 'real radio' approach. The more AMers get on and use the spectrum, the more AM will grow. Fortunately Bob, there are some good AM signals soon to be on the air down your way, and others on the way down. Fear not, AM will thrive. We just need to get people off their sofas and on the air. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
[AMRadio] Wanted in Florida Re KA1KAQ move
Some one to send me high quality streaming audio via internet of Todd KA1KAQ once he sets up in Gator country. Todd are you sure you don't want to leave that BA stuff in Boston? Instead of helping to heat the house in the winter, it will be fighting the A/C, raising the electric bill. :) I'm here to help you! 73 John Flood KB1FQG 978-979-2807 __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. I don't usually get on in the morning so I don't know what type of activity is on 75. I really don't think that it's too smart to put an AM signal on 3795 in the evening. You(we) are still the minority, you can question the ratio, but since all AM'ers do is lock and talk and hardly ever chase DX, why would you even consider going into the DX part of the bands. AM'ers need friends, not enemies. BTW, I don't know what you define as a strapping signal but I would go up against the best with my SSB signal, especially in the DX window. If you want to set up a schedule sometime, let's see who gets heard on a common frequency out to the mid west. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? 500-1? I think you need to get on a bit more often, Bob. AM has made a huge comeback over the last decade, and the 'gentleman's agreement' you mention seems only to be respected by the AMers. Just check 3870 - 3890 any night, you'll hear them trying to make problems. The reason there haven't been AM issues in other areas in only because the AM group tends to stay up above, certainly not because of any agreement. And as far as battles go, the strapping AM signals win out everytime. If you're pissweak, you're covered up - regardless of mode. Up here in the northeast, AMers make full use of the 'window' as well as other phone frequencies. Which is why the impending move to Florida concerns me a bit. All I've heard about down there is that 'the SSB guys won't let us operate anywhere but 3885' or 'you need to get on in the morning' etc. AM continues to grow as more and more people discover its pleasant sound and hands-on 'real radio' approach. The more AMers get on and use the spectrum, the more AM will grow. Fortunately Bob, there are some good AM signals soon to be on the air down your way, and others on the way down. Fear not, AM will thrive. We just need to get people off their sofas and on the air. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Just think! If you set up down in the very low part, we can claim we have been there since time began. It's our frequency. 73 Jim W5JO Use it all, phone is phone. It's not like the SSB users have any respect for the so-called AM window. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Wanted in Florida Re KA1KAQ move
On 10/12/06, John Flood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some one to send me high quality streaming audio via internet of Todd KA1KAQ once he sets up in Gator country. Todd are you sure you don't want to leave that BA stuff in Boston? Instead of helping to heat the house in the winter, it will be fighting the A/C, raising the electric bill. :) I'm here to help you! Yeah, right! Thanks for the 'help', John. The gear will reside here in VT until I get a place down there, most in heated storage at my folks' place, some in the storage unit. The KW-1 will probably get lashed up in my old radio room for use when I visit, until the new place is ready. I've only been back on for 7 months after my ten year hiatus, so something has to be at the ready. I have thought about the A/C issues already, planning to use convection to my advantage. And yes, I'll append my call with /4 until I find a new call. No need to add to the out-of-area confusion brought on by vanity. When it's time for the heavystuff give-away/haul-away, I'll give you a call. Be sure to bring a truck. ~ Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Pete in this case, I don't plan to follow the ARRL's suggestions. As a member, I see good and bad, but I sure don't see them having any official say over where we can operate. As Todd has said, phone is phone. If we start protecting this and that, then the AM operator will have 10 Kcs and that is all. It is pretty clear to me the FCC believes the CW, RTTY, and digital modes can co-exist between 3.5 and 3.6 The new part is to eliminate congestion. Let's use it. 73 Jim W5JO - You said it, phone is phone; AM is phone; Calling frequency was also not defined as a QSO frequency but I know what you mean. Since all these changes to FCC's Part 97 Rules were actually accepted by the FCC two years ago, the ARRL has had that much time to formulate a revised band plan to take the changes into consideration. Will probably also include some of the stuff they presented in their Bandwidth Proposal. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Hi Jim, Although you don't specifically mention it --- like someone else did previously --- I think it would be MOST foolhardy for any AM'er to plop himself down start with the ol' buzzardry stuff in the vicinity of 3.780- 3.8-MHz...yeah, the traditional DX window... It's not always for the benefit of domestic SSB'ers that such windows exist --- in many cases, DX stations have but a sliver of spectrum space on some bands that's available/useable: North American DX-types have tried to accommodate them through these windows. The DX stations benefit from these arrangements just as much as the W/K/VE crowd does. I think the last thing anyone would want to incur is the wrath of the entire global DX community coming down upon them, merely because it's their ...legal right to do something! ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Original Message - From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Pete in this case, I don't plan to follow the ARRL's suggestions. As a member, I see good and bad, but I sure don't see them having any official say over where we can operate. As Todd has said, phone is phone. If we start protecting this and that, then the AM operator will have 10 Kcs and that is all. It is pretty clear to me the FCC believes the CW, RTTY, and digital modes can co-exist between 3.5 and 3.6 The new part is to eliminate congestion. Let's use it. 73 Jim W5JO - You said it, phone is phone; AM is phone; Calling frequency was also not defined as a QSO frequency but I know what you mean. Since all these changes to FCC's Part 97 Rules were actually accepted by the FCC two years ago, the ARRL has had that much time to formulate a revised band plan to take the changes into consideration. Will probably also include some of the stuff they presented in their Bandwidth Proposal. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. Done? How.sad. What's next, digital? Sounds a lot like corntesting to me. Work 'em once and move on. No wonder you get bored. I really don't think that it's too smart to put an AM signal on 3795 in the evening. You(we) are still the minority, you can question the ratio, but since all AM'ers do is lock and talk and hardly ever chase DX, why would you even consider going into the DX part of the bands. I'm not in favor of invading the DX window on any band, I enjoy DX as well as the next guy and I also have (s) a nice old SSB station. It just gets very little use because once you've quacked, you're done. I prefer AM and old gear, it's more fun for me. But using your reasoning, why would any SSB station want to even consider going into the AM portion of the band? I don't advise that either, but it happens all the time. Agreements only work if all parties abide by them, and since that's not likely to happen with the SSB group anytime soon, where's the issue? AMers stay in the ghetto, while everyone else is free to transmit where they please, even at the expense of AM operation? Not likely. AM'ers need friends, not enemies. Just spent a great weekend with many of them at Hosstraders hamfest. 30-40 of them at least - and I've worked many of them multiple times. Sorry, I didn't know that after the first time I was 'done', Bob. BTW, I don't know what you define as a strapping signal but I would go up against the best with my SSB signal, especially in the DX window. If you want to set up a schedule sometime, let's see who gets heard on a common frequency out to the mid west. Nah, I never got into the d**k measuring aspect of this hobby. I leave that to the guys with Leenyars and corntest certificates. I've got an Alpha 77, it sits in the corner collecting dust and holding down the house. But! I did get out from little old VT to southern OK and Arkansas a week or so back, and enjoyed it emmensely. That's like DX to a lowly AMer who needs friends, sortakinda. 73, Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just think! If you set up down in the very low part, we can claim we have been there since time began. It's our frequency. Good idea!! We could have a corntest too, or better still, Jim - a NET! Because once you have a net, the frequency is yours to keep. 3685I like the sound of it. It was great working you, Jim - can't wait to do it again. Heard you and Brian in there a few times in the last week or so, but was busy working on other projects. Hopefully the static will quiet down tonight. That's the only thing that can raise hell with a good AM signal. 73, Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Ed Swynar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although you don't specifically mention it --- like someone else did previously --- I think it would be MOST foolhardy for any AM'er to plop himself down start with the ol' buzzardry stuff in the vicinity of 3.780- 3.8-MHz...yeah, the traditional DX window... I totally agree, Ed. Besides, DX is pretty interesting and challenging in its own right. I think Jim is speaking more in general, mainly that AM shouldn't feel confined to a closet so that another group can have free reign anywhere they like. It's not always for the benefit of domestic SSB'ers that such windows exist --- in many cases, DX stations have but a sliver of spectrum space on some bands that's available/useable: North American DX-types have tried to accommodate them through these windows. The DX stations benefit from these arrangements just as much as the W/K/VE crowd does. A lot of the AMers up here in the northeast actually work DX in the window regularly via SSB and some have even played with AM DX a bit. K1JJ and others have some incredible antenna arrays set up for the DX window and make regular contacts with our friends across the pond. I'm looking forward to it myself this winter. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Todd wrote:
once you've quacked, you're done.
That's too funny ... I will be laughing about that one all night!
73 - Theo K4MO
('quacking' since 1965)
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Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Could the reason for the DX window from 3.780-3.8 be because some ITU regions are not be licensed to operate above 3.8? I remember when even the US stations couldn't go below 3.8. So given, couldn't the DX window be moved to the low end of the band? Not that I suggest upsetting some SSBer's apple cart, but now that U.S. hams can go all the way to 3.6, that gives a lot of space for DX operation. In fact, we might see a lot of cross region operation, and with the growing popularity of AM on the European continent, we might actually hear some AM DX on the band this winter. 73 Jim W5JO Hi Jim, Although you don't specifically mention it --- like someone else did previously --- I think it would be MOST foolhardy for any AM'er to plop himself down start with the ol' buzzardry stuff in the vicinity of 3.780- 3.8-MHz...yeah, the traditional DX window... It's not always for the benefit of domestic SSB'ers that such windows exist --- in many cases, DX stations have but a sliver of spectrum space on some bands that's available/useable: North American DX-types have tried to accommodate them through these windows. The DX stations benefit from these arrangements just as much as the W/K/VE crowd does. I think the last thing anyone would want to incur is the wrath of the entire global DX community coming down upon them, merely because it's their ...legal right to do something! ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Hey Todd, do you suppose we could start a net and register it with the ARRL National Traffic System? I believe the FCC took a line from that old movie series by the 3 Stooges by saying, Spread Out If we formed a couple of NTS recognized nets and published frequencies, we would have the right to the frequency according to the de facto rules. We just need to be vigilant to be sure the ARRL doesn't try to hog it all for some particular group. I am looking forward to working a bunch of guys up in your current location this winter and I hope you bore a hole through all the Aflack bunch down in FL. WW9W in FL does get on when the static isn't too bad and we hear him with just 100 watts. So chances are good. Move carefully. 73 Jim W5JO Good idea!! We could have a corntest too, or better still, Jim - a NET! Because once you have a net, the frequency is yours to keep. 3685I like the sound of it. It was great working you, Jim - can't wait to do it again. Heard you and Brian in there a few times in the last week or so, but was busy working on other projects. Hopefully the static will quiet down tonight. That's the only thing that can raise hell with a good AM signal. 73, Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Todd, do you suppose we could start a net and register it with the ARRL National Traffic System? Well, considering that 99% of today's nets have nothing to do with emergency comms or passing traffic, it seems foolish that they get any attention paid to them by the ARRL or the FCC. I still contend that it's just a way to reserve a frequency for ragchewing. Giving it an official-sounding name and coming back regularly doesn't change a thing. Nothing against ragchewing (I enjoy it), but let's call it what it is and not try to make it into something it's not. I am looking forward to working a bunch of guys up in your current location this winter and I hope you bore a hole through all the Aflack bunch down in FL. WW9W in FL does get on when the static isn't too bad and we hear him with just 100 watts. So chances are good. Move carefully. I spoke with Robert last week, maybe a week ago last Sunday. He had a good signal up this way on his Beastly 610. Dan, W9GOB joined us from Chicago. Also talked with Warren W1GUD when he was up at Tim's place over the weekend. There's no reason I can see to clump up on one frequency and tremble at the thought of some SSB station getting his undies in a bunch because he doesn't like AM. I don't hold with the premise that 'you're a helpless AMer, so just accept whatever crumbs fall near you'. All it takes it a couple of good, strapping (strong/LOUD) signals on the band regularly. I know there are some 1-Landers down there already who are planning to be on the air soon(old buzzard John in Clearwater comes to mind), one fellow almost has his new 4x1 rig ready. Bob, K1KBW is moving to the Orlando area in the next month or so and I'll be heading somewhere north of Tampa in a few months. With Chris in Ft Lauderdale, and Robert in Punta Gorda, we should be able to drum up some activity. I don't mind talking to the same station more than once, it's not a contest for me. It's the enjoyment of restoring and operating historic, old gear and sharing the experience with others. Best part is, I'll be able to work you, both Brians, the other 5-Landers and the fellows from 0-Land a whole lot more regularly. Definitely looking forward to that part. Might even get up early to work Geoff some morning. And activity attracts more, soI'll do my part to make Heaven's Waiting Room a bit more aurally-interesting, from an RF perspective. ~ Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
I have been reading the traffic here with heightened interest. For me the existing 80M AM window is fine so long as: 1.) We invite the 3878 quacks to QSY down 100KC or so 2.) The SSB stations on 3880, 3883, 3885, 3888, 3890, and 3893 all find another rock to hide under. If this is done, we have room for 2-3 AM QSO's at the same time, and no need for razor sharp filters, etc. to reject the QRM. I guess I'm easy to please! This will never happen! :-) I like the suggestions given already of establishing a AM net at the bottom end of the Advanced portion, say 3705. I do not hold an extra ticket... Regards, Jim JKO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Jim with your knowledge, a trip to the next hamfest would cure the Advanced license. Just take the time. Do a couple practice runs on one of the computer sites to see what the subject matter is and you are off and running. As for 3 QSOs on 80, 85, and 90, sadly is ain't gonna happen. Where I live the signals emitted by some stations are very strong. This morning was a case in point. one on 3.880 and another on 85. The 85 bunch, I think, was the 0s who get on in the morning but without some closer stations or stronger signals, I couldn't tell. I like to talk among groups from time to time and urge everyone to establish a different frequency. Say the 1s near 3.8, the 2s near 3.815, etc. With different operating schedules no particular portion of the band would be occupied all the time. And it would give us the opportunity to move between groups with out undue interference. Just some thoughts. 73 Jim W5JO I have been reading the traffic here with heightened interest. For me the existing 80M AM window is fine so long as: 1.) We invite the 3878 quacks to QSY down 100KC or so 2.) The SSB stations on 3880, 3883, 3885, 3888, 3890, and 3893 all find another rock to hide under. If this is done, we have room for 2-3 AM QSO's at the same time, and no need for razor sharp filters, etc. to reject the QRM. I guess I'm easy to please! This will never happen! :-) I like the suggestions given already of establishing a AM net at the bottom end of the Advanced portion, say 3705. I do not hold an extra ticket... Regards, Jim JKO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Jim, you don't have to since it's not law but if 90% of ham population does, you still have the issues. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:11:25 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete in this case, I don't plan to follow the ARRL's suggestions. As a member, I see good and bad, but I sure don't see them having any official say over where we can operate. As Todd has said, phone is phone. If we start protecting this and that, then the AM operator will have 10 Kcs and that is all. It is pretty clear to me the FCC believes the CW, RTTY, and digital modes can co-exist between 3.5 and 3.6 The new part is to eliminate congestion. Let's use it. 73 Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
When the phone band expands, there will be plenty of room below 3800 to operate. I suggest somewhere lower in the band, towards 3700. Also, extras will be able to go on down to 3600. As quiet is the present 3750-3775 is most of time, I doubt if 3600-3700 will be jam-packed with signals anytime soon. The 3790-3800 DX window will likely remain active to accomodate Generals, who will operate split and transmit just above 3800. Even now advanced can go down to 3775 and extras to 3750, but the window remains at 3790. I am all for imposing AM presence anywhere in the band we can legally operate, but no point in deliberately kicking a wasp nest. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Bob Maser wrote: I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. Done with what? You have made 40 new friends. I personally think that is worth a lot more than a zillion sig reports from sig report collectors. Jack NR9Q -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Yeah, but I found that talking about how great AM is gets old after a while. I experienced AM first hand as I became a ham in 1956. I had a great time and made a lot of friends. Now that SSB is the mode of choice for most hams, one gets used to VOX operation and the lock and talk becomes tedious at best. I find that when I get on AM(I still have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60), a group gets together and by the time that it gets back around, 20-30 minutes have expired. I was used to this modus operandi back in the 50's but now I prefer a back and forth format. Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy an occasional AM QSO. But I have found that it is nostalgia that attracts me to AM and nostalgia is satisfied by small bites(for me at least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? BTW, after spending over 100 hrs converting the 20V-3 to 75M, I had big time interference to the neighbors. I have no problems with the Valiant and none with my modern SSB rigs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Jack Schmidling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Bob Maser wrote: I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. Done with what? You have made 40 new friends. I personally think that is worth a lot more than a zillion sig reports from sig report collectors. Jack NR9Q -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Yeah, right. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
For good AM (I mean REALLY GOOD AM) try a SDR-1000 by Flex-Radio. This is a computer driven little black box that can create any form of modulation and make it sound beautiful. The receiver uses a quadrature mixer into a sound card with some free software to make the AM sound really great. Has synchronous detector too and filtering that is truly brick wall stuff. The filtering is fully adjustable on each side of the carrier so if an aflack is causing trouble on one side just use the cursor to shave it off. No knobs, glowing tubes or 1000 lb cabinets. Stick a linear on the tail end and go up against anyone on the band. Want to try the new Digital Radio Mondail DRM stuff? Load up the free software and have at it. This from one who does spectrum measurements on 300 +/- AM broadcast stations each year. Also owns 4 Gates, 1 Westinghouse MW-1 and 1 Western Electric AM type transmitters. They will soon be for sale. Maybe I'll keep the Western Electric, its art deco neat. 73, Larry K2LT Bob Maser wrote: Yeah, right. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
OK, here is my $0.02 worth... I've always REALLY wanted a big green (Heath Indians) station. I fell in love with the rigs in the mid 60's when I first got my ticket. I had an Apache as a Novice, with the SB-10 when I made General. What a looker (to me anyway). Now I've got 'em... Heck, I've got an entire tribe! They are EVERYWHERE, garage, office, shack... You name it, there is a Heathkit Indian setting there. Some are ready and able, some are being restored, some are parts doners. The last time I was on AM, I used my Icom 746. I really like AM, but why limit myself to only AM? Right now I'm having a blast on PSK 31. I've been doing it for a number of years, and recently decided to do WAC. Great fun. I just picked up a KWM-2. I already have a mint condition Heath Marauder. After I get tired of the digital, it's gonna be vintage SSB. I can smell it coming... TOYS TOYS!!! Wheee! 73 Craig K6QI __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Since on page one of the FCC 06-149 document states that it was adopted on 10-4-06, doesn't this mean that we can go to the new frequencies immediately? I could not find clarification on this in the 45 page document. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Up to an extra 150 kc/s for phone on 75 m for Extra class. 75m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 3850-4000 3775-4000 3750-4000 New 3800-4000 3700-4000 3600-4000 Increase 50 75150 40m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 7225-73007150-73007150-7300 New 7175-73007125-73007125-7300 Increase5025 25 Much better than anything I had anticipated, but we are still left with a cumbersome matrix of subbands based on operator class combined with emission mode. Considering the relief in congestion we have already experienced due to the general decline in amateur activity in recent years, there should be plenty of room for all on 75m, without the griping about AM taking up too much room on the crowded band. Of course, if the FCC eventually eliminates the code requirement, expect an initial spike in activity as hoards of no-code Techs upgrade, but after the initial spike I predict a return to stagnant growth. There should still be plenty of room for AM activity. Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. I have looked over the R O, but I am not sure if it means that 3600-3700 is restricted to Extra class for all modes, or just that Extras can now use phone in the segment. How this will affect non-voice licence class restrictions is not made entirely clear in the FCC document: 12. Regarding the division among license classes of the spectrum on which we today authorize phone emissions, we adopt the Commission’s proposal to authorize stations of General Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3800-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 50 kHz the spectrum for voice communications by these stations. Because we have decided to authorize more 75 m spectrum for voice communications than was proposed in the NPRM, we also authorize stations of Advanced Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3700-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 75 kHz the amount of spectrum for voice communications by these stations. We also authorize stations of Amateur Extra Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3600-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 150 kHz the spectrum authorized to these stations for voice communications. In the 40 m and 15 m bands, we adopt the Commission’s proposal to authorize stations of Amateur Extra and Advanced Class licensees 7125-7300 kHz, stations of General Class licensees 7175-7300 kHz, and stations of General Class licensees 21275-21450 kHz for phone communications. If Generals and above will still be able to use 3600-3700 for non-voice modes, expect digital modes to continue to operate in this segment. I suspect that may be the reason such a big hunk was set aside for Extras - to limit phone activity in that region of the band so that some of the digital stuff can continue on those frequencies. Although the thinking of government agencies is extremely unpredictable, this doesn't look well for the ARRL's bandwidth proposal. If the FCC were seriously considering limitations by bandwidth any time soon, it is unlikely they would have gone to all the trouble to work out this plan, only to have to revise it in the near future to accomodate subbands-by-bandwidth. Looks like we'll soon be able to join the Canadians in their AM Window on 3720. The change is expected to go into effect sometime in mid-November. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
The last sentence in the ARRL email message sent out today with subject, ARLB019 FCC releases long-awaited Omnibus Amateur Radio Report and Order is: The changes will go into effect 30 days after the RO is published in the Federal Register. - Original Message - From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Since on page one of the FCC 06-149 document states that it was adopted on 10-4-06, doesn't this mean that we can go to the new frequencies immediately? I could not find clarification on this in the 45 page document. Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Bob Maser wrote: Yeah, but I found that talking about how great AM is gets old after a while. Conversations are what YOU make of them. If you let others control the conversation, you get what you deserve but I don't how this is unique to AM. I experienced AM first hand as I became a ham in 1956. 1955 here Now that SSB is the mode of choice for most hams, one gets used to VOX operation and the lock and talk becomes tedious at best. I never cared for vox but the lock and talk is a function of and controlled by fingers and not the modulation type and I agree it is very tedious. I wonder why this is so habitual with AMers. I suppose it goes back to the primitive days when one (at least I did) had to throw several switches and turn up/down the volume for each transmission. Seems like it's just a matter of retraining. I find that when I get on AM(I still have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60), a group gets together and by the time that it gets back around, 20-30 minutes have expired. This is not uncommon on SSB groups. But I have found that it is nostalgia that attracts me to AM and nostalgia is satisfied by small bites(for me at least). I think what attracts me is the satisfaction of opening up a piece of gear and understanding what every part in it is and what for. I ponder electrons being sucked up by the plate and my voice controlling the flow. I gag when I open my rice box. If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? No one would want it as it would be just another rice box with no nostalgic appeal. After all, it really is not a very practical way to communicate. js -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
