Re: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread jkhildre
RG-8X is a low loss style RG-58 cable, witj a slightly larger diameter  I 
use a lot of it on marine radio installations.
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Rick  RG8X is great cable,,, I use a lot of it. Short runs are OK long
runs are lots of loss...

Bob

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How about RG 8X?

Rick


No.

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RE: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Bob Peters
Rick  RG8X is great cable,,, I use a lot of it. Short runs are OK long
runs are lots of loss...

Bob

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How about RG 8X?

Rick


No.

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RE: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Great!  Thanks Bob.
Rick


Rick...Do not use the screw on F connectors they are total crap...Either
use a good crimp on or a compression fitting... You need to use the
compression tool.  I have plenty of the fittings and I can loan you a
tool for a few days.. I also have plenty of RG6 quad shield here... We
use lots of it...The compression fitting is water proof were the crimp
is not...I think I have a few F to VHF adapters as well...If you need to
splice RG6 you use an F81 adapter and I have those as well...

Bob W1PE

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RE: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
How about RG 8X?

Rick


No.

Jim/W5JO


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RE: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Bob Peters
Rick...Do not use the screw on F connectors they are total crap...Either
use a good crimp on or a compression fitting... You need to use the
compression tool.  I have plenty of the fittings and I can loan you a
tool for a few days.. I also have plenty of RG6 quad shield here... We
use lots of it...The compression fitting is water proof were the crimp
is not...I think I have a few F to VHF adapters as well...If you need to
splice RG6 you use an F81 adapter and I have those as well...

Bob W1PE

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Subject: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

Thanks to all for your comments and discussion on the RG 6 coax.  I
think it
will work for my application since it will be at low power.  Does it use
the
same PL-259 adaptor as does the RG 8?

Rick/K5IAR
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Re: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Jim Wilhite

No.

Jim/W5JO




Thanks to all for your comments and discussion on the RG 6 coax.  I 
think it
will work for my application since it will be at low power.  Does it 
use the

same PL-259 adaptor as does the RG 8?

Rick/K5IAR


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RE: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Thanks.
Rick


An "F" fitting is normally used on RG-6 an then an adapter to UHF or N 
whichever.

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Re: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread jkhildre
An "F" fitting is normally used on RG-6 an then an adapter to UHF or N 
whichever.


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Subject: [AMRadio] Coax RF 6


Thanks to all for your comments and discussion on the RG 6 coax.  I think 
it
will work for my application since it will be at low power.  Does it use 
the

same PL-259 adaptor as does the RG 8?

Rick/K5IAR
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[AMRadio] Coax RF 6

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Thanks to all for your comments and discussion on the RG 6 coax.  I think it
will work for my application since it will be at low power.  Does it use the
same PL-259 adaptor as does the RG 8?

Rick/K5IAR
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Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax

2008-01-06 Thread Jim Wilhite
Carl, the rated voltage of all Belden RG 6 cable is just 300 volts.  The 
one I copied from the Belden site used PE insulation.  They have other 
types of insulation and there is also a difference in burial and Plenum 
cables as far as some stats. go.


I am saying, be careful what you buy, for manufacturing tolerances may 
be different than what the spec says, evidence the toy recalls and pet 
food fiasco.  The voltage of 600 watts is about 205 volts, just 95 below 
the maximum rating of RG 6.  Again, provided the match is good so you 
don't have heat build up on the cable, it is ok for the good quality 
cable.  Buyer beware.


I have some RG 213 made by Alpha, I think, that I would avoid buying 
every again.  Although a name brand, it suffers from poor quality 
control and manufacturing tolerance.  When I try to strip the inner 
insulation, the center conductor and inner insulation tries to come out 
of the shield.  I have pulled as much as 6-8 inches of the inner 
conductor out.


Jim/W5JO





H, since all RG-6 uses a foam dielectric your comment is rather 
confusing. The premade Chinese cables available at box stores and raw 
unbranded cable should be suspect of course. I use Com Scope and Times 
as they are readily available from CATV crews in useable lengths.


Also consider that there is a substantial margin to the published 
breakdown voltage and youre good to go at a substantial power level. 
Ive known hams that use RG-58 to feed HV to amps at over 2500V!


Many years ago I used RG-6 as the coax part of a G5RV at 600W and 
never had a breakdown even at the rather high VSWR.


The power levels Ive mentioned are for CW and SSB, derate for AM.

Carl
KM1H



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From the Belden site:


RG-6/U Type 1532A 6.20 Belden 1/.040? CCS GIFPE DBII/90% AL PE .024 
75 16.2 -55 to +80 300





The last number in that list is the voltage rating of Belden RG 6 U 
for burial type.  So if you run a KW that means your voltage is near 
265 volts.  This is fine provided you have a good match.


What I am saying is that not all RG 6 is as good quality so one must 
be careful.  I have seen some  RG 6 that I wouldn't put more than 25 
watts into because of the construction.  This is particularly true of 
foam filled.  It melts at a lower temperature than PE.  Usually the 
drop cable used by CATV people is much better.


Jim/W5JO



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Hi Guys,

I use RG-6 cable here EXCLUSIVELY with my 160-meter 3-element phased
triangular inverted "L" arrray --- the 135-degree phasing harnesses, 
the

individual feeders, THE  WORKS!

...AND I run a kilowatt input here, too.

No problems thus far, and I honestly believe that at this low a 
frequency, I
haven't even come close to what this cable is truly capable of 
handling.


~73!~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ


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I use a 50 foot length from my 40 meter loop to the 50
ohm coax and transmit 100 to 150 watts with out a problem.

Healthfully yours,
  Don W4BWS
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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:16 PM
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> You are correct but I wouldn't consider using it for transmitting 
> on any

> radio with power more than about 25 watts.
>
> The original RG 6 was made well but today finding a consistent 
> quality
> cable is almost impossible unless you buy the best US specified 
> brand,

> which is almost as expensive as LMR type cable.
>
> Even then, you are taking a chance if you try to put much over 25 
> watts

> into it.
>
> Jim/W5JO
>
>
>
> >I believe it's in the neighborhoon of 72 ohms. Typical video 
> >cable.

>
> >> Does anyone know off hand the impedance of RG-6?  I was given 
> >> a

> >> hundred feet
> >> or so I'd like to use with my UHF antennas, but the cable guy 
> >> didn't

> >> know
> >> the impedance.  Google showed some specs, but I gave up before 
> >> I got

> >> the
> >> impedance.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rick/K5IAR
>
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Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax

2008-01-06 Thread jeremy-ca
H, since all RG-6 uses a foam dielectric your comment is rather 
confusing. The premade Chinese cables available at box stores and raw 
unbranded cable should be suspect of course. I use Com Scope and Times as 
they are readily available from CATV crews in useable lengths.


Also consider that there is a substantial margin to the published breakdown 
voltage and youre good to go at a substantial power level. Ive known hams 
that use RG-58 to feed HV to amps at over 2500V!


Many years ago I used RG-6 as the coax part of a G5RV at 600W and never had 
a breakdown even at the rather high VSWR.


The power levels Ive mentioned are for CW and SSB, derate for AM.

Carl
KM1H



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Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax






From the Belden site:


RG-6/U Type 1532A 6.20 Belden 1/.040? CCS GIFPE DBII/90% AL PE .024 75 
16.2 -55 to +80 300





The last number in that list is the voltage rating of Belden RG 6 U for 
burial type.  So if you run a KW that means your voltage is near 265 
volts.  This is fine provided you have a good match.


What I am saying is that not all RG 6 is as good quality so one must be 
careful.  I have seen some  RG 6 that I wouldn't put more than 25 watts 
into because of the construction.  This is particularly true of foam 
filled.  It melts at a lower temperature than PE.  Usually the drop cable 
used by CATV people is much better.


Jim/W5JO



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To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 


Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax



Hi Guys,

I use RG-6 cable here EXCLUSIVELY with my 160-meter 3-element phased
triangular inverted "L" arrray --- the 135-degree phasing harnesses, the
individual feeders, THE  WORKS!

...AND I run a kilowatt input here, too.

No problems thus far, and I honestly believe that at this low a 
frequency, I

haven't even come close to what this cable is truly capable of handling.

~73!~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ


***


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To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax



I use a 50 foot length from my 40 meter loop to the 50
ohm coax and transmit 100 to 150 watts with out a problem.

Healthfully yours,
  Don W4BWS
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To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax


> You are correct but I wouldn't consider using it for transmitting on 
> any

> radio with power more than about 25 watts.
>
> The original RG 6 was made well but today finding a consistent quality
> cable is almost impossible unless you buy the best US specified brand,
> which is almost as expensive as LMR type cable.
>
> Even then, you are taking a chance if you try to put much over 25 
> watts

> into it.
>
> Jim/W5JO
>
>
>
> >I believe it's in the neighborhoon of 72 ohms. Typical video cable.
>
> >> Does anyone know off hand the impedance of RG-6?  I was given a
> >> hundred feet
> >> or so I'd like to use with my UHF antennas, but the cable guy 
> >> didn't

> >> know
> >> the impedance.  Google showed some specs, but I gave up before I 
> >> got

> >> the
> >> impedance.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rick/K5IAR
>
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RE: [AMRadio] Sunday

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Hey Ed..

Since I changed my email for the lists to gmail I can no longer see the
posts I make.  They get there, but I can't see them as before.  I'm sure I
just have something set wrong, but I haven't been able to find it.

Rick

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What?

Ed, VA3ES

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Brian or Jim..

Have I got this set right now?

Thanks,
Rick


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RE: [AMRadio] Sunday

2008-01-06 Thread Ed Sieb
What?

Ed, VA3ES

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Brian or Jim..

Have I got this set right now?

Thanks,
Rick


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RE: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Thanks Jim.  It doesn't have a number on it that I have found, so it may not
be usable for my intentions.

Thanks for the tip...  By the way, I still can't see my original post to
this list since I switched to gmail.  I could always see it before.  I
checked all the settings at mailman and it should be good to go.  I probably
have something wrong in my gmail account.

Thanks,
Rick



>From the Belden site:

RG-6/U Type 1532A 6.20 Belden 1/.040? CCS GIFPE DBII/90% AL PE .024 75 
16.2 -55 to +80 300




The last number in that list is the voltage rating of Belden RG 6 U for 
burial type.  So if you run a KW that means your voltage is near 265 
volts.  This is fine provided you have a good match.

What I am saying is that not all RG 6 is as good quality so one must be 
careful.  I have seen some  RG 6 that I wouldn't put more than 25 watts 
into because of the construction.  This is particularly true of foam 
filled.  It melts at a lower temperature than PE.  Usually the drop 
cable used by CATV people is much better.

Jim/W5JO

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Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax

2008-01-06 Thread Jim Wilhite




From the Belden site:


RG-6/U Type 1532A 6.20 Belden 1/.040? CCS GIFPE DBII/90% AL PE .024 75 
16.2 -55 to +80 300





The last number in that list is the voltage rating of Belden RG 6 U for 
burial type.  So if you run a KW that means your voltage is near 265 
volts.  This is fine provided you have a good match.


What I am saying is that not all RG 6 is as good quality so one must be 
careful.  I have seen some  RG 6 that I wouldn't put more than 25 watts 
into because of the construction.  This is particularly true of foam 
filled.  It melts at a lower temperature than PE.  Usually the drop 
cable used by CATV people is much better.


Jim/W5JO



- Original Message - 
From: "EP Swynar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 


Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax



Hi Guys,

I use RG-6 cable here EXCLUSIVELY with my 160-meter 3-element phased
triangular inverted "L" arrray --- the 135-degree phasing harnesses, 
the

individual feeders, THE  WORKS!

...AND I run a kilowatt input here, too.

No problems thus far, and I honestly believe that at this low a 
frequency, I
haven't even come close to what this cable is truly capable of 
handling.


~73!~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ


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- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax



I use a 50 foot length from my 40 meter loop to the 50
ohm coax and transmit 100 to 150 watts with out a problem.

Healthfully yours,
  Don W4BWS
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax


> You are correct but I wouldn't consider using it for transmitting 
> on any

> radio with power more than about 25 watts.
>
> The original RG 6 was made well but today finding a consistent 
> quality
> cable is almost impossible unless you buy the best US specified 
> brand,

> which is almost as expensive as LMR type cable.
>
> Even then, you are taking a chance if you try to put much over 25 
> watts

> into it.
>
> Jim/W5JO
>
>
>
> >I believe it's in the neighborhoon of 72 ohms. Typical video 
> >cable.

>
> >> Does anyone know off hand the impedance of RG-6?  I was given a
> >> hundred feet
> >> or so I'd like to use with my UHF antennas, but the cable guy 
> >> didn't

> >> know
> >> the impedance.  Google showed some specs, but I gave up before I 
> >> got

> >> the
> >> impedance.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rick/K5IAR
>
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Re: [AMRadio] Sunday

2008-01-06 Thread rbethman

Yep!

Bob - N0DGN

Rick Brashear wrote:

Brian or Jim..

Have I got this set right now?

Thanks,
Rick

  

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[AMRadio] Sunday

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Brian or Jim..

Have I got this set right now?

Thanks,
Rick


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[AMRadio] Newbie

2008-01-06 Thread Rick Brashear
Did I make it back?  Whew, what a mess I made when I tried to change email
addresses.  Thanks for the speedy turn around guys.

Rick/K5IAR

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Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax

2008-01-06 Thread EP Swynar
Hi Guys,

I use RG-6 cable here EXCLUSIVELY with my 160-meter 3-element phased
triangular inverted "L" arrray --- the 135-degree phasing harnesses, the
individual feeders, THE  WORKS!

...AND I run a kilowatt input here, too.

No problems thus far, and I honestly believe that at this low a frequency, I
haven't even come close to what this cable is truly capable of handling.

~73!~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ


***


- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax


> I use a 50 foot length from my 40 meter loop to the 50
> ohm coax and transmit 100 to 150 watts with out a problem.
>
> Healthfully yours,
>   Don W4BWS
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax
>
>
> > You are correct but I wouldn't consider using it for transmitting on any
> > radio with power more than about 25 watts.
> >
> > The original RG 6 was made well but today finding a consistent quality
> > cable is almost impossible unless you buy the best US specified brand,
> > which is almost as expensive as LMR type cable.
> >
> > Even then, you are taking a chance if you try to put much over 25 watts
> > into it.
> >
> > Jim/W5JO
> >
> >
> >
> > >I believe it's in the neighborhoon of 72 ohms. Typical video cable.
> >
> > >> Does anyone know off hand the impedance of RG-6?  I was given a
> > >> hundred feet
> > >> or so I'd like to use with my UHF antennas, but the cable guy didn't
> > >> know
> > >> the impedance.  Google showed some specs, but I gave up before I got
> > >> the
> > >> impedance.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Rick/K5IAR
> >
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[AMRadio] test equipment for sale

2008-01-06 Thread Edward B Richards
Hi all;

It is time to reduce the amount of stuff my widow would have to dispose
of upon my demise.  Everything works as it should and pictures are
available upon request. All prices are plus S&H. Thank you.

Ed Richards, Zip 93065,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

1. General Radiotelephone 615B Watt, SWR, RFS meter  
 $5.00
2. Heathkit HM-10A grid dip meter (Tunnel Dipprer)   
 $5.00
3. Hitachi V-1560 100 mc dual trace oscilloscope  w/manual   
$995.00
4. Systron Donner 6152A frequency counter / timer  w/manual  
   $50.00
5. Test speaker, 4-8-500 ohms.   
$10.00
6. Micronta 22-185A digital multimeter   
 $10.00
7. Heathkit IB-5281 RLC bridge with test leads and original manual batt
or AC $25.00
8. Heathkit IPA-5280-1 power supply for above meter and others  w/manual 
   $ 10.00
9. Heathkit SG-8 signal generator
   $5.00
10. Hickok 6000A tube tester  w/supplementary charts 
$200.00
11. Sylvania 220 tube tester 
 $100.00
12. (NAVY) SG-85 / URM-25D signal generator with cable, pad  
   $75.00
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Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax

2008-01-06 Thread Donald Sanders
I use a 50 foot length from my 40 meter loop to the 50
ohm coax and transmit 100 to 150 watts with out a problem.

Healthfully yours,
  Don W4BWS
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RG-6 Coax


> You are correct but I wouldn't consider using it for transmitting on any
> radio with power more than about 25 watts.
>
> The original RG 6 was made well but today finding a consistent quality
> cable is almost impossible unless you buy the best US specified brand,
> which is almost as expensive as LMR type cable.
>
> Even then, you are taking a chance if you try to put much over 25 watts
> into it.
>
> Jim/W5JO
>
>
>
> >I believe it's in the neighborhoon of 72 ohms. Typical video cable.
>
> >> Does anyone know off hand the impedance of RG-6?  I was given a
> >> hundred feet
> >> or so I'd like to use with my UHF antennas, but the cable guy didn't
> >> know
> >> the impedance.  Google showed some specs, but I gave up before I got
> >> the
> >> impedance.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rick/K5IAR
>
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