Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
Hello, The AWA (Antique Wireless Association) OTB (Old Timer's Bulletin), and Electric Radio magazines have regular articles on building, and using, 1920s and 1930s transmitters and receivers. The AWA also has contests where only 1920s or 1930s radios can be used. 73, Bruce WA8TNC JT Croteau wrote: How did a new ham back in the mid to late 1930's typically get on the air? I imagine he'd probably have been loaned a receiver and perhaps a handbook to use while he built his own transmitter? Would a novice have built his own receiver as well or would this have been uncommon? I'd like to put together a vintage shack from this era. I'm just trying to determine if I should just buy a receiver such as an RME-69 or HRO and homebrew the rest of the station. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
JT: I have no personal experience in 1930's but, I have read each page of my QST mags over and over. I wanted to put together a 1950 style station and I put together lists of common station equipment from the era and generally concluded that there was no one most common pair that stood out. If I added up each type of transmitter and each type of receiver (not necessarily used together) that told me the most popular transmitter and receiver. For the most part (unless you were well heeled) receivers were hand me downs from unknown sources and were almost always older than a companion commercial transmitter. Homebrew transmitters were in the 60-70 % area. My conclusion was to pick whatever you could find from the era and put it together, homebrew or commercial, depending upon your performance expectations. Since my family was not well heeled,I choose low end equipment. I suggest you spend some time with old QST or other books, then make a decision. QST is available on CD from ARRL. Have fun. Charlie, K0NG. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
if you could find a good HRO that would be a great real old timer, a small tube like the 6ag7 driving a 6L6 makes a great old style 25 watt cw rig. moving up to great AM gear would be the 75A2 or 3 combined with a 32V2 or 3, if ssb/cw consider 75A4 and KWS1, I have both fully restored and they are just as good or better than when I bought them in the mid 50s. The 75A4 beats the hell out of my Ft1000 mark V. they are not for sale, least not till I SK.. Bernie W8RPW - Original Message - From: JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s How did a new ham back in the mid to late 1930's typically get on the air? I imagine he'd probably have been loaned a receiver and perhaps a handbook to use while he built his own transmitter? Would a novice have built his own receiver as well or would this have been uncommon? I'd like to put together a vintage shack from this era. I'm just trying to determine if I should just buy a receiver such as an RME-69 or HRO and homebrew the rest of the station. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:35 PM, QED Consultants [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moving up to great AM gear would be the 75A2 or 3 combined with a 32V2 or 3, Great rigs, but those are all circa 1950. I want to put together a station from the 1930's. A pre-war HRO would be nice though. I will likely homebrew the transmitter, there weren't a lot of commercial transmitters back then. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
Come visit the Collins Radio Center and see the very first Collins transmitters manufactured by Collins Radio Company. These are faithfully reproduced unit. Come early and stay late. Of course, we do have radios for sale. List upon request. Thank you David Knepper, W3ST-W3CRA Collins Radio Association - Original Message - From: JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s How did a new ham back in the mid to late 1930's typically get on the air? I imagine he'd probably have been loaned a receiver and perhaps a handbook to use while he built his own transmitter? Would a novice have built his own receiver as well or would this have been uncommon? I'd like to put together a vintage shack from this era. I'm just trying to determine if I should just buy a receiver such as an RME-69 or HRO and homebrew the rest of the station. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, JT Croteau wrote: Great rigs, but those are all circa 1950. I want to put together a station from the 1930's. A pre-war HRO would be nice though. I will likely homebrew the transmitter, there weren't a lot of commercial transmitters back then. If you check this site out: www.radioblvd.com Henry has several sections devoted to Ham Radio gear from that time period - it might be a good way so start zeroing-in on your Dream Set-Up, especially typical recievers of the era. Cheers John KB6SCO Carson City __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:43 AM, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did a new ham back in the mid to late 1930's typically get on the air? I imagine he'd probably have been loaned a receiver and perhaps a handbook to use while he built his own transmitter? Would a novice have built his own receiver as well or would this have been uncommon? I'd like to put together a vintage shack from this era. I'm just trying to determine if I should just buy a receiver such as an RME-69 or HRO and homebrew the rest of the station. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE Here is a link to some photos of a time capsule ham shack from the late 30's. It was pretty much left untouched until about 1997 or so. There are pics of the old shack along with an article I wrote in '97 about some of the history behind it. I got the transmitter and some other things from that estate, but not all of it. http://amfone.net/ECSound/BartlesvilleTX/bvilletx.htm Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
Hi JT - I have several pages on my web site on the Breting, Patterson and Howard receivers which were all 1930's and gone before 1940. Their are also a few station photos on these pages. From 1930's station photos, I have seen, the HRO, RME 69, Breting 12, Patterson PR-10 and Hallicrafters SX-24/25 seem to be most common commercial receivers. Here are the links: Breting: http://members.cox.net/n7rk//breting.htm Howard: http://members.cox.net/n7rk/howard.htm Patterson: http://members.cox.net/n7rk/patterson2.htm Some additional 1920's and 1930's station photos: http://members.cox.net/n7rk/w6bam.html 73 and have fun! Dave N7RK -- *** Dave N7RK Boatanchors Home Page: http://members.cox.net/n7rk Phoenix, Arizona *DXCC Honor Roll**WAZ#22 - 75 Meter SSB* ex-XE2/N7RK, N7RK/ZB2, VK2ERK, ZM0AJN, WB6NRK, WN6IWX Boatanchor and Antique Radio Collector __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Fw: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
- Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s Excess Radio Equipment Offered for Sale by the Collins Radio Association On display for your inspection. Prefer Cash and Carry from Johnstown, PA. If you make arrangements to ship, we will make such accommodations. This equipment has not been lugged to hamfests to sit on the tailgate of a pickup truck! MAKE ANY REASONABLE OFFER. National HRO-60 with standard set of coils and matching speaker National NCX-5 with matching speaker and power supply National NCL-2000 National HRO-5 with matching speaker and power supply, full set of coils include low frequency National FB-7 National SW-3 (three units) National NC-303 with matching speakers and VHF coil set in cabinet, (two units) Hallicrafter SX-100 with matching speaker Hallicrafter SX-101 (160 meter version) with R-42 speaker Hallicrafter SX-25 Hallicrafter HT-32 RCA CR-88 (no meter - in DX-100 cabinet) Johnson Viking Ranger I Johnson Viking Ranger II - two units Johnson Viking Mobile RME 69 RME 45 Hammarlund HQ-129 with matching speaker Hammarlund PRO-310 with matching speaker (rare) Hammarlund SP-600-X Hammarlund HQ-180A with matching speaker Eddystone 770 (150 - 500 Mhz) Eddystone 770R (19 - 165 Mhz) Eddystone EA 12 (hamband model) with base speaker Heathkit SB-101 (2 units) Heathkit SB-401 Morrow Twins David Knepper, W3ST-W3CRA Collins Radio Association (814) 487-4403 - Original Message - From: JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: david knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM, David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come early and stay late. Of course, we do have radios for sale. List upon request. Hi Dave, please give me a list of what you have available. Thanks -- JT Croteau, N1ESE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
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David, and others Please do not post items for sale on the main AM discussion list. We have a reflector just for that now called AMSwap. Info about this swap list, and how to subscribe can be found at the following links: Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amswap Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmmain.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In addition, and since these reflectors are maintained by volunteers and do not require anyone to pay to be a member (donations are welcome of course), we do not allow any form of commercial advertising on either list. That was established many years back by the members. Thank You 73 Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: Fw: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
Will do. My mistake. David Knepper, W3ST-W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - Original Message - From: WA5AM Radio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s David, and others Please do not post items for sale on the main AM discussion list. We have a reflector just for that now called AMSwap. Info about this swap list, and how to subscribe can be found at the following links: Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amswap Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmmain.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In addition, and since these reflectors are maintained by volunteers and do not require anyone to pay to be a member (donations are welcome of course), we do not allow any form of commercial advertising on either list. That was established many years back by the members. Thank You 73 Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
John, This would be fine, but remember that the great Depression was still going on. Money was tight for the average guy. Homebrew was almost necessary for everyone. Very few could buy a new receiver. Nothing says you can't build up two or three different stations? Have fun. Check my Old Radio column in QST for ideas (January 2000 to present). 73, John Dilks, K2TQN www.k2tqn.com/ At 10:43 AM 6/9/2008, you wrote: How did a new ham back in the mid to late 1930's typically get on the air? I imagine he'd probably have been loaned a receiver and perhaps a handbook to use while he built his own transmitter? Would a novice have built his own receiver as well or would this have been uncommon? I'd like to put together a vintage shack from this era. I'm just trying to determine if I should just buy a receiver such as an RME-69 or HRO and homebrew the rest of the station. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s
JT, I really can't speak to the late 1930's from my own experience, but my Hammarlund HQ-120-X was built in 1939 (or thereabouts, but definitely pre-WWII.) I still use one today. It was my first receiver in 1963! Ed, W9EJB - Original Message - From: JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Life in the mid to late '30s How did a new ham back in the mid to late 1930's typically get on the air? I imagine he'd probably have been loaned a receiver and perhaps a handbook to use while he built his own transmitter? Would a novice have built his own receiver as well or would this have been uncommon? I'd like to put together a vintage shack from this era. I'm just trying to determine if I should just buy a receiver such as an RME-69 or HRO and homebrew the rest of the station. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM on 160m
Jim, The more work you put into the antenna the better the payoff no matter what the transmitter. Truer words have never been spoken! My lot is 48X108ft. I do have a Hygain vertical and a MiniQuad that may get put back into service. I used to run QRP with the vertical on 80-10 meters with a Heath HW-8. I worked all over when conditions were fair to better. I also used the 75 meter half sloper to check in toa cw net every day. They could hear me so I guess it was oK. I'm negotiating with a friend here in Toledo to take custody of his DX-100. That should help on 75 AM. Have some splainin to do Lucy about the size of the stuff I am bringing into the house. Thanks for the advice and good conversation. Hope to meet you on the air some time. Ken --- Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, How much space do you have? If your tower is 50-60 ft. could you possibly install an Inverted L? Say 55 ft vertical (the more the better) with the rest horizontal out to about 160-170 ft and the end as high as possible. Feed that with 50 ohm coax and use a series cap in the center of 100-300 pico farads. If you will do that, you will be able to tune the thing on all bands with a good tuner at the transmitter. The downside is that it will be a better antenna for long distant communications and not as good for distances out to 500 miles. I have 44 ft. vertical and the rest horizontal and it works on 160 both close in and at a distance (as many radials as you can put in). On 75 meters, however it is distance dependent. Close in stations are weak, stations out over 500 miles do well. As for power, the DX 40 will have trouble on 160 and 75 on AM in the evening. However on 40 and above you will make adequate contacts. On CW you will do fine on 75-10 and ok on 160. I have a 40/75 meter dipole (the poles support the ends as high as the center), the inverted L plus a 5 band beam for the upper bands. I find the L works fine on the upper bands. For transmitters I use a BW 5100B for SSB, a BW 5100 , Globe Champion 300A and a Globe King 500A. On the upper bands, power is not that important, but on 75, especially at night, it is. CW is much more forgiving than AM so take that into consideration. The more work you put into the antenna the better the payoff no matter what the transmitter. 73 Jim/W5JO - Original Message - From: Ken Zuercher Jim, If I had a little more land, I'd put up dipoles also. I am however using half slopers on 40,20, and 10 meters. the longest is only 32 feet. The 40 meter unit tunes well on 15 also. i haven't worked anyone on 15 as I haven't been around when the band is open. I am just about able to put up a 75 meter half sloper to a point on a tree from the tower. What do you use to tickle the dipoles? I have a Heath DX-40 which is more than enough for any cw contact but I haven't done more than test on AM. Do you think the higher bands will go with the lower power on AM? Thanks for the advice in advance! Ken KC8QO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
