[AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread John King
Hello, fellow AM folks! I would like to hear from those intimately familiar 
with the Heath Apache.

I think my Apache needs some TLC. It is working and gets good reports on 
strength and audio, however:

I note that when keyed up, after loading and dipping the finals, that the plate 
current starts out lower than the tune up and then starts creeping up. My 
experience over 50 years as a Ham has convinced me that creeping plate current 
is usually a sign of screens in the final tubes going bad. In fact I once had a 
Hallicrafters HT 32B that had creeping plate current when the 6146 tube screens 
began  going bad. In fact, if I didn't increase the bias on the tubes, they 
would eventually run away and self destruct. The finals in my Apache do not 
run away they just go from lower current at tune up and rise to slightly more 
current than at tune up.

I think that my grid drive is also marginal because it takes all the available 
grid drive to set it at the rated and desired level of drive. The drive control 
must be at extreme maximum, fully clockwise. This could be related to creeping 
plate current. What do you think?

In addition, I note some downward movement of the plate current of the final 
amplifier upon modulation. Lack of grid drive may cause this problem if I 
remember correctly. In addition, I seem to feel that over coupling of the 
output of the final tank circuit might also contribute to the downward 
modulation? I recently replaced the 6AQ5 clamper tube but did not readjust the 
circuit after replacement.

I would like some input from you who have the knowledge and experience to 
discuss these symptoms. I want to have this discussion before I start trying to 
wrestle this Green Monster out of its' cabinet. I am not as strong as I was 
when I became a Novice over 50 years ago. Before you laugh, let me say that if 
you are LUCKY, maybe you will live to get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! You may address this 
issue off the reflector if you prefer. I don't want to bore the other members 
with a topic that may not be of interest to them. After all, the majority of 
hams feel that AM is a relic of the past. I enjoy AM, SSB and CW. Thanks in 
advance and 73, John, K5PGW   





  
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[AMRadio] even noise sometimes is good

2009-01-07 Thread Joseph Cotton
 For the amateur radio world, even noise sometimes is good.

 Pete, wa2cwa

You mean like this mailing list?
hihihi

Joe n3iqa
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[AMRadio] FW: Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread George Brand
Amen John!

When I first bought a DX-100 at a swap, I took it to work and carried it up
two flights to the workshop. (worked for a radio station) Got it up there
and thought dang, I must be getting old 'er something  Sat down, put feet
up to read to my horror the !...@#$%^*() weighed 100 lbs soaking wet. I had
the freight elevator take it down...

As the owner of two Apaches, I'd like to see the answers posted to the list

George  wa8sco

- I am not as strong as I was when I became a Novice over 50 years ago.
Before you laugh, let me say that if you are LUCKY, maybe you will live to
get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! Thanks in advance and 73, John, K5PGW






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Re: [AMRadio] FW: Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread Gary Schafer
I accidentally erased the original message so replying here.

With drifting plate current and low grid drive the first thing I would check
is the adjustment of the clamp tube circuit. Low grid drive will cause the
clamp tube to reduce screen voltage. Or maybe the clamp circuit is adjusted
right and you just don't have enough grid drive. 

All bands??

73
Gary K4FMX

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 From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-
 boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George Brand
 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:23 AM
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: Heath Apache symptoms
 
 Amen John!
 
 When I first bought a DX-100 at a swap, I took it to work and carried it
 up
 two flights to the workshop. (worked for a radio station) Got it up there
 and thought dang, I must be getting old 'er something  Sat down, put
 feet
 up to read to my horror the !...@#$%^*() weighed 100 lbs soaking wet. I had
 the freight elevator take it down...
 
 As the owner of two Apaches, I'd like to see the answers posted to the
 list
 
 George  wa8sco
 
 - I am not as strong as I was when I became a Novice over 50 years ago.
 Before you laugh, let me say that if you are LUCKY, maybe you will live
 to
 get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! Thanks in advance and 73, John, K5PGW
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread Peter Markavage
As pointed out in another post, check the clamp circuit adjustments. For
grid drive, check the grid meter resistor (5.55 ohms) and/or use an
outboard meter to verify your Apache grid reading. Weak finals can also
cause plate current to creep. Check your low voltage supply section.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:03:16 -0800 (PST) John King k5...@yahoo.com
writes:
 Hello, fellow AM folks! I would like to hear from those intimately 
 familiar with the Heath Apache.
 
 I think my Apache needs some TLC. It is working and gets good 
 reports on strength and audio, however:
 
 I note that when keyed up, after loading and dipping the finals, 
 that the plate current starts out lower than the tune up and then 
 starts creeping up. My experience over 50 years as a Ham has 
 convinced me that creeping plate current is usually a sign of 
 screens in the final tubes going bad. In fact I once had a 
 Hallicrafters HT 32B that had creeping plate current when the 6146 
 tube screens began  going bad. In fact, if I didn't increase the 
 bias on the tubes, they would eventually run away and self 
 destruct. The finals in my Apache do not run away they just go 
 from lower current at tune up and rise to slightly more current than 
 at tune up.
 
 I think that my grid drive is also marginal because it takes all the 
 available grid drive to set it at the rated and desired level of 
 drive. The drive control must be at extreme maximum, fully 
 clockwise. This could be related to creeping plate current. What 
 do you think?
 
 In addition, I note some downward movement of the plate current of 
 the final amplifier upon modulation. Lack of grid drive may cause 
 this problem if I remember correctly. In addition, I seem to feel 
 that over coupling of the output of the final tank circuit might 
 also contribute to the downward modulation? I recently replaced the 
 6AQ5 clamper tube but did not readjust the circuit after 
 replacement.
 
 I would like some input from you who have the knowledge and 
 experience to discuss these symptoms. I want to have this discussion 
 before I start trying to wrestle this Green Monster out of its' 
 cabinet. I am not as strong as I was when I became a Novice over 50 
 years ago. Before you laugh, let me say that if you are LUCKY, maybe 
 you will live to get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! You may address this issue off 
 the reflector if you prefer. I don't want to bore the other members 
 with a topic that may not be of interest to them. After all, the 
 majority of hams feel that AM is a relic of the past. I enjoy AM, 
 SSB and CW. Thanks in advance and 73, John, K5PGW   
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Re: [AMRadio] Latest Completed Project, or How I Spent My Christmas Vacation

2009-01-07 Thread Ron.K3PID
Absolutely outstanding!!! Maybe he should consider a kit! or not!

Ron H
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:03 AM
  Subject: [AMRadio] Latest Completed Project,or How I Spent My Christmas 
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  ...can be viewed at:

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Re: [AMRadio] Latest Completed Project, or How I Spent My Christmas Vacation

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Sawyer
Now, when are you making mine? ;)
Mod-U-Lator,
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Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Sawyer
Hmmm, as an Apache man my self, 9 chances out of 10 I would say check out in 
and around that clamp tube. It almost sounds directly related to heat, (Ip 
goes up the longer the radio is keyed). Might be some bad R's. When you find 
it, post your findings here since I for one would be very interested.
Mod-U-Lator,
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W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: John King k5...@yahoo.com
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:03 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms


Hello, fellow AM folks! I would like to hear from those intimately familiar 
with the Heath Apache.

I think my Apache needs some TLC. It is working and gets good reports on 
strength and audio, however:

I note that when keyed up, after loading and dipping the finals, that the 
plate current starts out lower than the tune up and then starts creeping up. 
My experience over 50 years as a Ham has convinced me that creeping plate 
current is usually a sign of screens in the final tubes going bad. In fact I 
once had a Hallicrafters HT 32B that had creeping plate current when the 
6146 tube screens began  going bad. In fact, if I didn't increase the bias 
on the tubes, they would eventually run away and self destruct. The finals 
in my Apache do not run away they just go from lower current at tune up 
and rise to slightly more current than at tune up.

I think that my grid drive is also marginal because it takes all the 
available grid drive to set it at the rated and desired level of drive. The 
drive control must be at extreme maximum, fully clockwise. This could be 
related to creeping plate current. What do you think?

In addition, I note some downward movement of the plate current of the final 
amplifier upon modulation. Lack of grid drive may cause this problem if I 
remember correctly. In addition, I seem to feel that over coupling of the 
output of the final tank circuit might also contribute to the downward 
modulation? I recently replaced the 6AQ5 clamper tube but did not readjust 
the circuit after replacement.

I would like some input from you who have the knowledge and experience to 
discuss these symptoms. I want to have this discussion before I start trying 
to wrestle this Green Monster out of its' cabinet. I am not as strong as I 
was when I became a Novice over 50 years ago. Before you laugh, let me say 
that if you are LUCKY, maybe you will live to get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! You may 
address this issue off the reflector if you prefer. I don't want to bore the 
other members with a topic that may not be of interest to them. After all, 
the majority of hams feel that AM is a relic of the past. I enjoy AM, SSB 
and CW. Thanks in advance and 73, John, K5PGW








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Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread James M. Walker
If I might make a suggestion,
Check the ground lugs around the clamp tube and vicinity.
Make sure they are tight, and also check for any signs of
arcing.

Jim
WB2FCN
Three working Apaches and counting.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Sawyer w3...@verizon.net
To: k5...@yahoo.com; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms


 Hmmm, as an Apache man my self, 9 chances out of 10 I would say check out 
 in
 and around that clamp tube. It almost sounds directly related to heat, (Ip
 goes up the longer the radio is keyed). Might be some bad R's. When you 
 find
 it, post your findings here since I for one would be very interested.
 Mod-U-Lator,
 Mike(y)
 W3SLK
 - Original Message - 
 From: John King k5...@yahoo.com
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:03 AM
 Subject: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms


 Hello, fellow AM folks! I would like to hear from those intimately 
 familiar
 with the Heath Apache.

 I think my Apache needs some TLC. It is working and gets good reports on
 strength and audio, however:

 I note that when keyed up, after loading and dipping the finals, that the
 plate current starts out lower than the tune up and then starts creeping 
 up.
 My experience over 50 years as a Ham has convinced me that creeping plate
 current is usually a sign of screens in the final tubes going bad. In fact 
 I
 once had a Hallicrafters HT 32B that had creeping plate current when the
 6146 tube screens began  going bad. In fact, if I didn't increase the bias
 on the tubes, they would eventually run away and self destruct. The 
 finals
 in my Apache do not run away they just go from lower current at tune up
 and rise to slightly more current than at tune up.

 I think that my grid drive is also marginal because it takes all the
 available grid drive to set it at the rated and desired level of drive. 
 The
 drive control must be at extreme maximum, fully clockwise. This could be
 related to creeping plate current. What do you think?

 In addition, I note some downward movement of the plate current of the 
 final
 amplifier upon modulation. Lack of grid drive may cause this problem if I
 remember correctly. In addition, I seem to feel that over coupling of the
 output of the final tank circuit might also contribute to the downward
 modulation? I recently replaced the 6AQ5 clamper tube but did not readjust
 the circuit after replacement.

 I would like some input from you who have the knowledge and experience to
 discuss these symptoms. I want to have this discussion before I start 
 trying
 to wrestle this Green Monster out of its' cabinet. I am not as strong as I
 was when I became a Novice over 50 years ago. Before you laugh, let me say
 that if you are LUCKY, maybe you will live to get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! You may
 address this issue off the reflector if you prefer. I don't want to bore 
 the
 other members with a topic that may not be of interest to them. After all,
 the majority of hams feel that AM is a relic of the past. I enjoy AM, SSB
 and CW. Thanks in advance and 73, John, K5PGW








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Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread sbjohnston

When working on Heathkit equipment, always suspect the resistors.  The 
combination of the type or quality of resistors used byt Heath, with 
the passage of many years, results in quite a few of their resistors 
well out of tolerance, or far up or down in value, or even changing 
resistance under load.

Steve WD8DAS

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-Original Message-
From: John King k5...@yahoo.com
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 6:03 am
Subject: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms










Hello, fellow AM folks! I would like to hear from those intimately 
familiar with
the Heath Apache.

I think my Apache needs some TLC. It is working and gets good reports 
on
strength and audio, however:

I note that when keyed up, after loading and dipping the finals, that 
the plate
current starts out lower than the tune up and then starts creeping up. 
My
experience over 50 years as a Ham has convinced me that creeping plate 
current
is usually a sign of screens in the final tubes going bad. In fact I 
once had a
Hallicrafters HT 32B that had creeping plate current when the 6146 tube 
screens
began  going bad. In fact, if I didn't increase the bias on the tubes, 
they
would eventually run away and self destruct. The finals in my Apache 
do not
run away they just go from lower current at tune up and rise to 
slightly more
current than at tune up.

I think that my grid drive is also marginal because it takes all the 
available
grid drive to set it at the rated and desired level of drive. The drive 
control
must be at extreme maximum, fully clockwise. This could be related to 
creeping
plate current. What do you think?

In addition, I note some downward movement of the plate current of the 
final
amplifier upon modulation. Lack of grid drive may cause this problem if 
I
remember correctly. In addition, I seem to feel that over coupling of 
the output
of the final tank circuit might also contribute to the downward 
modulation? I
recently replaced the 6AQ5 clamper tube but did not readjust the 
circuit after
replacement.

I would like some input from you who have the knowledge and experience 
to
discuss these symptoms. I want to have this discussion before I start 
trying to
wrestle this Green Monster out of its' cabinet. I am not as strong as I 
was when
I became a Novice over 50 years ago. Before you laugh, let me say that 
if you
are LUCKY, maybe you will live to get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! You may address 
this
issue off the reflector if you prefer. I don't want to bore the other 
members
with a topic that may not be of interest to them. After all, the 
majority of
hams feel that AM is a relic of the past. I enjoy AM, SSB and CW. 
Thanks in
advance and 73, John, K5PGW






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Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

2009-01-07 Thread BILL GUYGER
I can say Amen to this. One of the biggest failure modes for Heath kits is 
loose hardware. I've heard this many times on the Heathkit reflector.

I bought an Apache for parts to fix one I had bought earlier and did not find 
ONE screw that was beyond finger tight. Whoever had this unit attempted to fix 
DC, RF and or audio problems by running a bare 18 ga. copper wire ground buss 
through the entire transmitter even in the VFO box.

If at first you don't succeed, try really goofing it up!

It all worked out well for me, the first Apachie was immaculent inside (someone 
had hacked a big hole in the cabinet for what was probably a muffin fan or some 
such. and most of the original knobs were gone) and the second was immaculent 
outside, so between them both you see I licked the platter clean..I mean have a 
complete transmitter.


73's de
Bill AD5OL

 


- Original Message 
From: James M. Walker che...@buffalo.edu
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:25:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms

If I might make a suggestion,
Check the ground lugs around the clamp tube and vicinity.
Make sure they are tight, and also check for any signs of
arcing.

Jim
WB2FCN
Three working Apaches and counting.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Sawyer w3...@verizon.net
To: k5...@yahoo.com; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms


 Hmmm, as an Apache man my self, 9 chances out of 10 I would say check out 
 in
 and around that clamp tube. It almost sounds directly related to heat, (Ip
 goes up the longer the radio is keyed). Might be some bad R's. When you 
 find
 it, post your findings here since I for one would be very interested.
 Mod-U-Lator,
 Mike(y)
 W3SLK
 - Original Message - 
 From: John King k5...@yahoo.com
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:03 AM
 Subject: [AMRadio] Heath Apache symptoms


 Hello, fellow AM folks! I would like to hear from those intimately 
 familiar
 with the Heath Apache.

 I think my Apache needs some TLC. It is working and gets good reports on
 strength and audio, however:

 I note that when keyed up, after loading and dipping the finals, that the
 plate current starts out lower than the tune up and then starts creeping 
 up.
 My experience over 50 years as a Ham has convinced me that creeping plate
 current is usually a sign of screens in the final tubes going bad. In fact 
 I
 once had a Hallicrafters HT 32B that had creeping plate current when the
 6146 tube screens began  going bad. In fact, if I didn't increase the bias
 on the tubes, they would eventually run away and self destruct. The 
 finals
 in my Apache do not run away they just go from lower current at tune up
 and rise to slightly more current than at tune up.

 I think that my grid drive is also marginal because it takes all the
 available grid drive to set it at the rated and desired level of drive. 
 The
 drive control must be at extreme maximum, fully clockwise. This could be
 related to creeping plate current. What do you think?

 In addition, I note some downward movement of the plate current of the 
 final
 amplifier upon modulation. Lack of grid drive may cause this problem if I
 remember correctly. In addition, I seem to feel that over coupling of the
 output of the final tank circuit might also contribute to the downward
 modulation? I recently replaced the 6AQ5 clamper tube but did not readjust
 the circuit after replacement.

 I would like some input from you who have the knowledge and experience to
 discuss these symptoms. I want to have this discussion before I start 
 trying
 to wrestle this Green Monster out of its' cabinet. I am not as strong as I
 was when I became a Novice over 50 years ago. Before you laugh, let me say
 that if you are LUCKY, maybe you will live to get WEAK!! Hi!! HI!! You may
 address this issue off the reflector if you prefer. I don't want to bore 
 the
 other members with a topic that may not be of interest to them. After all,
 the majority of hams feel that AM is a relic of the past. I enjoy AM, SSB
 and CW. Thanks in advance and 73, John, K5PGW








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