Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"

2010-01-16 Thread W1GOR
Jeff,  No need to research this psychosomatic 'illness'...  Many of us have 
worked on scientific experiments, and, as most also know, a so-called 
'controlled experiment' can be manipulated to produce ANY results by 
statistical analysis... Psychosomatic maladies have been studied to death... 
and the upshot is that people who experience psychosomatic tendencies are 
also subject to paranoia and psychotic behavior.  The power of suggestion 
can control persons who are not exactly of a strong, sound mind.  The 
'bias', if that's what you call it, is due to an exposure of endless phony 
diagnoses, and those who thing there might be some benefit in their FIFTEEN 
MINUTES OF FAME... Show us some REAL, HARD SCIENTIFIC FACTS, and we  might 
recognize that there might be some substance in these 'maladies'... You said 
that it isn't necessarily rubbish... but you didn't say it wasn't either... 
Ever since the dark ages, people believed in whatever a 'whacko wizard' told 
them... once again, the power of suggestion takes over...

TANSTAAFL...

...Larry - W1GOR (occasional mad-scientist and full-time pessimist)



- Original Message - 
From: "Jeffrey Travers" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"


>
> If you research this disorder on the net you will find that in controlled 
> experiments, people identified as sensitive to EM radiation scored 100% 
> response rate so it isn't necessarily rubbish and needs more study to 
> ascertain distance and impact on those sensitive.  I am a bit surprised at 
> the bias reflected in the email exchanges here.
> Jeff
> VK3GMO
>
>> From: w1...@maine.rr.com
>> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:45:11 -0500
>> Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
>>
>> Sorry guys... I should have placed more emphasis on the subject line...
>>
>> It should have read, "MORON ELECTROMAGNETIC ALLERGIES"...
>>
>> With a great big evil grin, Larry - W1GOR, Gorham, Maine
>>
>>
>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: W1GOR
>>   To: AM Radio
>>   Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:40 PM
>>   Subject: More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
>>
>>
>>   Here's the text of the referenced newspaper article... See LAST line...
>>
>>   ...Larry, W1GOR
>>
>>   Santa Fe Residents Allege City's Wi-Fi Affecting Their "Electromagnetic
>> Allergies"
>>   January 12, 2010 2:44 p.m. EST
>>   Topics: United States, Technology
>>
>>   Ayinde O. Chase - AHN Editor
>>   Santa Fe, NM, United States (AHN) - A small group of Santa Fe residents 
>> is
>> trying to get all public Wi-Fi hotpsots in the city banned. They allege 
>> the
>> city's Access Points (AP) irritated their "electromagnetic allergies."
>>
>>   In their legal effort to ban the signals, the group is using the 
>> Americans
>> with Disabilities Act as a measure to have city lawmakers bow to their
>> pressure. The case has now reached a new level with published reports
>> stating that one of the individuals in the original case is suing his
>> neighbors for refusing to turn off their cellphone and Wi-Fi hotspot.
>>
>>   Artuhur Firstenberg is claiming his neighbor's technology forced him to 
>> be
>> homeless. He's unable to stay in a hotel or motel because they employ 
>> Wi-Fi
>> connections so he's been forced to sleep in his car.
>>
>>   Health officials have repeatedly stated that there is no evidence to
>> suggest Wi-Fi signals have any impact on the human body. Additionally,
>> scientific studies have shown that people who claim to suffer from
>> "electromagnetic sensitivity" are in fact suffering from psychosomatic
>> disorders and are best treated by therapy or medication.
>
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Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"

2010-01-16 Thread Jeffrey Travers

If you research this disorder on the net you will find that in controlled 
experiments, people identified as sensitive to EM radiation scored 100% 
response rate so it isn't necessarily rubbish and needs more study to ascertain 
distance and impact on those sensitive.  I am a bit surprised at the bias 
reflected in the email exchanges here.
Jeff
VK3GMO

> From: w1...@maine.rr.com
> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:45:11 -0500
> Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
> 
> Sorry guys... I should have placed more emphasis on the subject line...
> 
> It should have read, "MORON ELECTROMAGNETIC ALLERGIES"...
> 
> With a great big evil grin, Larry - W1GOR, Gorham, Maine
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: W1GOR
>   To: AM Radio
>   Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:40 PM
>   Subject: More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
> 
> 
>   Here's the text of the referenced newspaper article... See LAST line...
> 
>   ...Larry, W1GOR
> 
>   Santa Fe Residents Allege City's Wi-Fi Affecting Their "Electromagnetic
> Allergies"
>   January 12, 2010 2:44 p.m. EST
>   Topics: United States, Technology
> 
>   Ayinde O. Chase - AHN Editor
>   Santa Fe, NM, United States (AHN) - A small group of Santa Fe residents is
> trying to get all public Wi-Fi hotpsots in the city banned. They allege the
> city's Access Points (AP) irritated their "electromagnetic allergies."
> 
>   In their legal effort to ban the signals, the group is using the Americans
> with Disabilities Act as a measure to have city lawmakers bow to their
> pressure. The case has now reached a new level with published reports
> stating that one of the individuals in the original case is suing his
> neighbors for refusing to turn off their cellphone and Wi-Fi hotspot.
> 
>   Artuhur Firstenberg is claiming his neighbor's technology forced him to be
> homeless. He's unable to stay in a hotel or motel because they employ Wi-Fi
> connections so he's been forced to sleep in his car.
> 
>   Health officials have repeatedly stated that there is no evidence to
> suggest Wi-Fi signals have any impact on the human body. Additionally,
> scientific studies have shown that people who claim to suffer from
> "electromagnetic sensitivity" are in fact suffering from psychosomatic
> disorders and are best treated by therapy or medication.
  
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Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

2010-01-16 Thread jon baker
   Guess it's been a while since you visited
  Austin's Sixth St. HI
Jon  AD5HR

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Bob Peters  wrote:

> From: Bob Peters 
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different
> To: j...@vla.com, "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 
> 
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:41 PM
> I guess this is what I love about
> Texas... This
> mind set would never survive here...
> 
> Bob W1PE
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf
> Of John Lyles
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:30 PM
> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different
> 
> This letter was in yesterday's New Mexican
> newspaper:
> 
> "Scary science
> I have a question for our glorified science
> laboratory "Frankensteins" 
> who need to learn to keep their egos on the leash
> and who are meddling 
> with dangerous Tesla and high-frequency active
> aural research 
> technologies; space lasers; chem trails, magnets,
> CERN particle 
> acceleration, etc. - just a few of the eerie
> inventions endangering life 
> on Earth.
> Do these affect the weather or the natural
> electromagnetic fields that 
> make up all life? Duh! "
> 
> Dr. Elke Meyer
> Santa Fe
> 
> 
> I think Elke may be Arthur Firstenberg's doctor.
> She has written letters 
> and op ed pieces for years condemming cellphones
> and now WIFI as 
> abominations. Now she is citing my workplace (the
> lab) and my hero 
> Telsa, along with magnets. Uh oh! I'd love to
> introduce Art and her to 
> my new 3 megawatt 200 MHz pulsed amplifier (540 kW
> average power).
> 
> > You gotta remember these are the same people who
> claim the Santa Fe Hum is driving them crazy... 
> > Bill AD5OL
> 
> There was never a Santa Fe hum, it was the Taos
> hum, and it was 
> prevailent in the 1990s. Haven't heard much about
> it this decade 
> although I did hear last month that a few ranchers
> up there are in arms 
> again about cattle mutilations. Here come the
> black helicopters at night ...
> 
> Art Bell stuff. You gotta wonder what kind of
> education Mr. Firstenberg 
> got in the first place? Obviously not disciplined
> in the sciences. 
> Sleeping in his car to avoid EMI
> 
> 73
> John K5PRO
> Santa Fe county, NM
> 
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[AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"

2010-01-16 Thread W1GOR

Sorry guys... I should have placed more emphasis on the subject line...

It should have read, "MORON ELECTROMAGNETIC ALLERGIES"...

With a great big evil grin, Larry - W1GOR, Gorham, Maine


 - Original Message - 
 From: W1GOR

 To: AM Radio
 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:40 PM
 Subject: More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"


 Here's the text of the referenced newspaper article... See LAST line...

 ...Larry, W1GOR

 Santa Fe Residents Allege City's Wi-Fi Affecting Their "Electromagnetic
Allergies"
 January 12, 2010 2:44 p.m. EST
 Topics: United States, Technology

 Ayinde O. Chase - AHN Editor
 Santa Fe, NM, United States (AHN) - A small group of Santa Fe residents is
trying to get all public Wi-Fi hotpsots in the city banned. They allege the
city's Access Points (AP) irritated their "electromagnetic allergies."

 In their legal effort to ban the signals, the group is using the Americans
with Disabilities Act as a measure to have city lawmakers bow to their
pressure. The case has now reached a new level with published reports
stating that one of the individuals in the original case is suing his
neighbors for refusing to turn off their cellphone and Wi-Fi hotspot.

 Artuhur Firstenberg is claiming his neighbor's technology forced him to be
homeless. He's unable to stay in a hotel or motel because they employ Wi-Fi
connections so he's been forced to sleep in his car.

 Health officials have repeatedly stated that there is no evidence to
suggest Wi-Fi signals have any impact on the human body. Additionally,
scientific studies have shown that people who claim to suffer from
"electromagnetic sensitivity" are in fact suffering from psychosomatic
disorders and are best treated by therapy or medication.
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Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

2010-01-16 Thread Todd Carpenter
When you use "new math" and "alternative science" anything you want is possible!

-Original Message-
From: Bob Peters 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 13:41
To: j...@vla.com; 'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service' 

Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

I guess this is what I love about Texas... This
mind set would never survive here...

Bob W1PE

-Original Message-
From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
Of John Lyles
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:30 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

This letter was in yesterday's New Mexican
newspaper:

"Scary science
I have a question for our glorified science
laboratory "Frankensteins" 
who need to learn to keep their egos on the leash
and who are meddling 
with dangerous Tesla and high-frequency active
aural research 
technologies; space lasers; chem trails, magnets,
CERN particle 
acceleration, etc. - just a few of the eerie
inventions endangering life 
on Earth.
Do these affect the weather or the natural
electromagnetic fields that 
make up all life? Duh! "

Dr. Elke Meyer
Santa Fe


I think Elke may be Arthur Firstenberg's doctor.
She has written letters 
and op ed pieces for years condemming cellphones
and now WIFI as 
abominations. Now she is citing my workplace (the
lab) and my hero 
Telsa, along with magnets. Uh oh! I'd love to
introduce Art and her to 
my new 3 megawatt 200 MHz pulsed amplifier (540 kW
average power).

> You gotta remember these are the same people who
claim the Santa Fe Hum is driving them crazy... 
> Bill AD5OL

There was never a Santa Fe hum, it was the Taos
hum, and it was 
prevailent in the 1990s. Haven't heard much about
it this decade 
although I did hear last month that a few ranchers
up there are in arms 
again about cattle mutilations. Here come the
black helicopters at night ...

Art Bell stuff. You gotta wonder what kind of
education Mr. Firstenberg 
got in the first place? Obviously not disciplined
in the sciences. 
Sleeping in his car to avoid EMI

73
John K5PRO
Santa Fe county, NM

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Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

2010-01-16 Thread Bob Peters
I guess this is what I love about Texas... This
mind set would never survive here...

Bob W1PE

-Original Message-
From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
Of John Lyles
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:30 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

This letter was in yesterday's New Mexican
newspaper:

"Scary science
I have a question for our glorified science
laboratory "Frankensteins" 
who need to learn to keep their egos on the leash
and who are meddling 
with dangerous Tesla and high-frequency active
aural research 
technologies; space lasers; chem trails, magnets,
CERN particle 
acceleration, etc. - just a few of the eerie
inventions endangering life 
on Earth.
Do these affect the weather or the natural
electromagnetic fields that 
make up all life? Duh! "

Dr. Elke Meyer
Santa Fe


I think Elke may be Arthur Firstenberg's doctor.
She has written letters 
and op ed pieces for years condemming cellphones
and now WIFI as 
abominations. Now she is citing my workplace (the
lab) and my hero 
Telsa, along with magnets. Uh oh! I'd love to
introduce Art and her to 
my new 3 megawatt 200 MHz pulsed amplifier (540 kW
average power).

> You gotta remember these are the same people who
claim the Santa Fe Hum is driving them crazy... 
> Bill AD5OL

There was never a Santa Fe hum, it was the Taos
hum, and it was 
prevailent in the 1990s. Haven't heard much about
it this decade 
although I did hear last month that a few ranchers
up there are in arms 
again about cattle mutilations. Here come the
black helicopters at night ...

Art Bell stuff. You gotta wonder what kind of
education Mr. Firstenberg 
got in the first place? Obviously not disciplined
in the sciences. 
Sleeping in his car to avoid EMI

73
John K5PRO
Santa Fe county, NM

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Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

2010-01-16 Thread Bernie Doran
And I bet I can guess how they vote. Bernie W8RPW- Original 
Message - 
From: "Larry Szendrei" 
To: ; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different


John Lyles wrote:
> This letter was in yesterday's New Mexican newspaper:
>
> "Scary science
> I have a question for our glorified science laboratory "Frankensteins"
> who need to learn to keep their egos on the leash and who are meddling
> with dangerous Tesla and high-frequency active aural research
> technologies; space lasers; chem trails, magnets, CERN particle
> acceleration, etc. — just a few of the eerie inventions endangering life
> on Earth.
> Do these affect the weather or the natural electromagnetic fields that
> make up all life? Duh! "
>
> Dr. Elke Meyer
> Santa Fe
>

Remind me not to move to Santa Fe - I doubt we'd get along (Dr. Meyer
and I, that is.) ;-)

I thought science was all about data, and the theories which explain
it.I'd be surprised if there's data to support such outlandish claims.

-Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

2010-01-16 Thread Larry Szendrei
John Lyles wrote:
> This letter was in yesterday's New Mexican newspaper:
>
> "Scary science
> I have a question for our glorified science laboratory "Frankensteins" 
> who need to learn to keep their egos on the leash and who are meddling 
> with dangerous Tesla and high-frequency active aural research 
> technologies; space lasers; chem trails, magnets, CERN particle 
> acceleration, etc. — just a few of the eerie inventions endangering life 
> on Earth.
> Do these affect the weather or the natural electromagnetic fields that 
> make up all life? Duh! "
>
> Dr. Elke Meyer
> Santa Fe
>   

Remind me not to move to Santa Fe - I doubt we'd get along (Dr. Meyer 
and I, that is.) ;-)

I thought science was all about data, and the theories which explain 
it.I'd be surprised if there's data to support such outlandish claims.

-Larry/NE1S
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[AMRadio] Santa Fe-The City Different

2010-01-16 Thread John Lyles
This letter was in yesterday's New Mexican newspaper:

"Scary science
I have a question for our glorified science laboratory "Frankensteins" 
who need to learn to keep their egos on the leash and who are meddling 
with dangerous Tesla and high-frequency active aural research 
technologies; space lasers; chem trails, magnets, CERN particle 
acceleration, etc. — just a few of the eerie inventions endangering life 
on Earth.
Do these affect the weather or the natural electromagnetic fields that 
make up all life? Duh! "

Dr. Elke Meyer
Santa Fe


I think Elke may be Arthur Firstenberg's doctor. She has written letters 
and op ed pieces for years condemming cellphones and now WIFI as 
abominations. Now she is citing my workplace (the lab) and my hero 
Telsa, along with magnets. Uh oh! I'd love to introduce Art and her to 
my new 3 megawatt 200 MHz pulsed amplifier (540 kW average power).

> You gotta remember these are the same people who claim the Santa Fe Hum is 
> driving them crazy... 
> Bill AD5OL

There was never a Santa Fe hum, it was the Taos hum, and it was 
prevailent in the 1990s. Haven't heard much about it this decade 
although I did hear last month that a few ranchers up there are in arms 
again about cattle mutilations. Here come the black helicopters at night ...

Art Bell stuff. You gotta wonder what kind of education Mr. Firstenberg 
got in the first place? Obviously not disciplined in the sciences. 
Sleeping in his car to avoid EMI

73
John K5PRO
Santa Fe county, NM

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