Re: [AMRadio] EMF detection, demodulation... I remember... (slightly OT..)
Sounds like you could recreate the experiment by taking the door off your microwave oven setting it on high for 5 minutes and staring in the opening during the cycle. Maybe someone will hear and answer. Talk about working dx with a 700 watt oven! -Original Message- From: zengmei...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 20:01 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] EMF detection, demodulation... I remember... (slightly OT..) ...an episode of Science-Fiction Theatre where this fellow kept hearing voices in his head, talking about equations and phenomena, not contantly but only at certain times on certain days. Investigation showed that, indeed, he was in fact 'hearing' the thoughts of a scientist who was experimenting with http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] EMF detection, demodulation... I remember... (slightly OT..)
...an episode of Science-Fiction Theatre where this fellow kept hearing voices in his head, talking about equations and phenomena, not contantly but only at certain times on certain days. Investigation showed that, indeed, he was in fact 'hearing' the thoughts of a scientist who was experimenting with http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Neurophone
I really don't think I'd trust anything from a website where they even spell the name of the device wrong. On one page, it's called the "Time-Ration" code... Numerous typos all over the site. Hey, there's a sucker born every minute. http://www.drpowerbattery.com Brian/WB2JIX __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Hey, are tryin' to tell me that the Earth ain't flat..? I kinda think it is... Sure looks flat from the middle of Kansas... I wuz there, and I swear it's really, really flat...! Oh, what's a BC-500H..? Some sorta 'lectrik thingie..? ... Ciao, Giuseppi Columbus... 2nd cuzin ta old Chris... - Original Message - From: "Bernie Doran" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > Ted the best educated men never said the earth was flat, It was known to > be > round long before columbus, by thousands, only the uneducated thought it > was > flat, and of course the current flat earth society. Bernie W8RPW > - Original Message - > From: "Ted Gustafson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:48 PM > Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > > >>I have been reading some of the posts here on this subject and just >>tossing >> most of them. Thought I would toss a little gas on the fire. I have >> messed >> around with radio since I was a kid, Ham Radio since the mid 70s and >> worked >> in the Land Mobile Radio field since the mid 80s. I have found that >> tuning >> up 100-110 watt low band mobile radios on the bench that after about the >> second one I experience nausea. Higher frequency units never bother me. >> This >> is based on 25 years of personal observation. My findings are that Low >> Band >> Micor drawer units want to make me puke. Now you can all have a good >> laugh >> and some of you can call me nuts but it is a fact. BTW I have a letter >> around here someplace I got from the VA a few years back that says I am >> normal. Think about this, at one time the best educated men in this world >> told everyone the world was flat. If you said it was round they burned >> you >> at the stake. This issue like that one will be resolved in time. That >> said >> I >> am going to go back and work on my BC-500H all that does is make me grin. >> >> Ted >> WB0TDV >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Ted the best educated men never said the earth was flat, It was known to be round long before columbus, by thousands, only the uneducated thought it was flat, and of course the current flat earth society. Bernie W8RPW - Original Message - From: "Ted Gustafson" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" >I have been reading some of the posts here on this subject and just tossing > most of them. Thought I would toss a little gas on the fire. I have messed > around with radio since I was a kid, Ham Radio since the mid 70s and > worked > in the Land Mobile Radio field since the mid 80s. I have found that tuning > up 100-110 watt low band mobile radios on the bench that after about the > second one I experience nausea. Higher frequency units never bother me. > This > is based on 25 years of personal observation. My findings are that Low > Band > Micor drawer units want to make me puke. Now you can all have a good laugh > and some of you can call me nuts but it is a fact. BTW I have a letter > around here someplace I got from the VA a few years back that says I am > normal. Think about this, at one time the best educated men in this world > told everyone the world was flat. If you said it was round they burned you > at the stake. This issue like that one will be resolved in time. That said > I > am going to go back and work on my BC-500H all that does is make me grin. > > Ted > WB0TDV > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Newton Minnow, former head of the FCC, once described television as 'THE VAST WASTELAND"... At that time, we had no idea just how right he was...! Also, Ted... If you're in the TWO-WAY Radio business, you can't be normal... I know that I'm not..! ...Larry - W1GOR - Original Message - From: "Bernie Doran" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > I too experience nausea from radio and TV broadcasts, PBS stations and > MSNBC seem to produce the most nausea!! I just do not listen to them. > Bernie > - Original Message - > From: "Ted Gustafson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:48 PM > Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > > >>I have been reading some of the posts here on this subject and just >>tossing >> most of them. Thought I would toss a little gas on the fire. I have >> messed >> around with radio since I was a kid, Ham Radio since the mid 70s and >> worked >> in the Land Mobile Radio field since the mid 80s. I have found that >> tuning >> up 100-110 watt low band mobile radios on the bench that after about the >> second one I experience nausea. Higher frequency units never bother me. >> This >> is based on 25 years of personal observation. My findings are that Low >> Band >> Micor drawer units want to make me puke. Now you can all have a good >> laugh >> and some of you can call me nuts but it is a fact. BTW I have a letter >> around here someplace I got from the VA a few years back that says I am >> normal. Think about this, at one time the best educated men in this world >> told everyone the world was flat. If you said it was round they burned >> you >> at the stake. This issue like that one will be resolved in time. That >> said >> I >> am going to go back and work on my BC-500H all that does is make me grin. >> >> Ted >> WB0TDV >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
I too experience nausea from radio and TV broadcasts, PBS stations and MSNBC seem to produce the most nausea!! I just do not listen to them. Bernie - Original Message - From: "Ted Gustafson" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" >I have been reading some of the posts here on this subject and just tossing > most of them. Thought I would toss a little gas on the fire. I have messed > around with radio since I was a kid, Ham Radio since the mid 70s and > worked > in the Land Mobile Radio field since the mid 80s. I have found that tuning > up 100-110 watt low band mobile radios on the bench that after about the > second one I experience nausea. Higher frequency units never bother me. > This > is based on 25 years of personal observation. My findings are that Low > Band > Micor drawer units want to make me puke. Now you can all have a good laugh > and some of you can call me nuts but it is a fact. BTW I have a letter > around here someplace I got from the VA a few years back that says I am > normal. Think about this, at one time the best educated men in this world > told everyone the world was flat. If you said it was round they burned you > at the stake. This issue like that one will be resolved in time. That said > I > am going to go back and work on my BC-500H all that does is make me grin. > > Ted > WB0TDV > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
I remember once this happened to Gilligan, as he turned his head he would change frequency. Then he hit his head and the radio stop. As I recall the skipper was going to smack him in the mouth to try to fix the radio, but in the end the Professor fixed the old transistor set they had! sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: >> The cause of people hearing radio transmissions in their heads has >> > been > >> traced to old school tooth fillings >> > > I'm very familiar with detection of AM signals in tooth fillings and > the like, but that did not seem to be the mechanism at work in this > case. I scanned the copy of the patent 3,393,279 I've had in my files > all these years so you can see what it is about: > > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
I have been reading some of the posts here on this subject and just tossing most of them. Thought I would toss a little gas on the fire. I have messed around with radio since I was a kid, Ham Radio since the mid 70s and worked in the Land Mobile Radio field since the mid 80s. I have found that tuning up 100-110 watt low band mobile radios on the bench that after about the second one I experience nausea. Higher frequency units never bother me. This is based on 25 years of personal observation. My findings are that Low Band Micor drawer units want to make me puke. Now you can all have a good laugh and some of you can call me nuts but it is a fact. BTW I have a letter around here someplace I got from the VA a few years back that says I am normal. Think about this, at one time the best educated men in this world told everyone the world was flat. If you said it was round they burned you at the stake. This issue like that one will be resolved in time. That said I am going to go back and work on my BC-500H all that does is make me grin. Ted WB0TDV __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
It was NOT meant as a personal comment... If you didn't invent it, then you don't have anything to concern yourself about... >From the Patent and design, my conclusion is that it's as phony as the EHF antenna... Serious charge or not, the so-called invention is BOGUS... in that there are no scientific facts to prove that the concept works... I seriously doubt that it does... Cheers, Larry - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > Larry, W1GOR wrote: > >>There's nothing special about this circuit... > > Did I say there was anything special about it? It is a LF MOPA with > screen modulation of the PA. What is special is the claim that you > can detect the output, an AM signal, inside your body. You could make > the signal in other ways, of course. > >>Unfortunately, the only conclusion I've arrived at is QUACKERY... > > I don't know if it works or not, but I'm not seeing anything there that > would be quackery. Quackery is a pretty serious charge. A quack is > someone who pretends to be a medical doctor, and quackery is the > practice of such. > > I'll back away from the discussion as it getting pretty far off-topic. > I simply wanted to mention this "thing" that is related to people and > radio waves. I'm not making any claims for it other than I found it > interesting. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > > Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin > http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest > > > > > -Original Message- > From: W1GOR > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38 pm > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > > > Steve, > > There's nothing special about this circuit... Circuit 7 is a > phase-shift > oscillator, driving circuit 10, an RF amplifier that is Screen-Grid > modulated by circuit 19. The thing that I find odd is that the RF > Amplifier > is not 'tuned'... The plate circuit consisting solely of item 16, a > step-down transformer of some sort, that drives a step-up transformer > (also > untuned) with a load resistor connected across it's secondary winding, > then > to a pair of non-descript 'electrodes'. > > Over all, it's quite crude... I'd be quite concerned about any degree > of > heating that this RF generator might produce, modulated or > unmodulated... > I've studied the information presented at neurophone.com... > Unfortunately, > the only conclusion I've arrived at is QUACKERY... Why use digital > modulation when mammals are analog in nature...? It's been stated > that one > could patent a ham sandwich if it was scientifically described. > Allowing > anyone to apply an electrode of this type to a person's head or spinal > column is ludicrous... Where are the lab trials on lower order > animals..? > and if they were conducted, what were the scientific results..? > > I've spent over twelve years working with Neuro-Psychologists and > Audiologists studying many areas of the human brain and the myriad ways > that > the brain processes information, visual, auditory, tactile, and by > direct > stimulation... We had never been presented with a device or methodology > of > this nature... > > If there is any real substance to this 'neurophone', I'd certainly like > to > see some real, honest-to-goodness scientific evidence... > > ...Larry, W1GOR (Queens College, Department of Psychology, City > University > of New York (CUNY), 1966 through 1979...) > > When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so > regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has > opened." --Alexander Graham Bell, American inventor > > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > > >> >The cause of people hearing radio transmissions in their heads has >> been >>>traced to old school tooth fillings >> >> I'm very familiar with detection of AM signals in tooth fillings and >> the like, but that did not seem to be the mechanism at work in this >> case. I scanned the copy of the patent 3,393,279 I've had in my files >> all these years so you can see what it is about: >> >> http://www.wd8das.net/neurophoneRF.pdf >> >> I noticed that the name on the patent and the material at >> http://www.neurophone.com are the same, so they are certainly related. >> I was mistaken in my earlier thought that they were different. My >> confusion came from the way he is now marketing the system as >> "ultrasonic", rather than an RF technology. At those frequencies >> (20kHz-200kHz) it just depends on the medium involved (AC current thru >> the body versus vibrations in the body versus electromagnetic field >> passing thru the body) as to how you describ
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Larry, W1GOR wrote: >There's nothing special about this circuit... Did I say there was anything special about it? It is a LF MOPA with screen modulation of the PA. What is special is the claim that you can detect the output, an AM signal, inside your body. You could make the signal in other ways, of course. >Unfortunately, the only conclusion I've arrived at is QUACKERY... I don't know if it works or not, but I'm not seeing anything there that would be quackery. Quackery is a pretty serious charge. A quack is someone who pretends to be a medical doctor, and quackery is the practice of such. I'll back away from the discussion as it getting pretty far off-topic. I simply wanted to mention this "thing" that is related to people and radio waves. I'm not making any claims for it other than I found it interesting. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest -Original Message- From: W1GOR To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" Steve, There's nothing special about this circuit... Circuit 7 is a phase-shift oscillator, driving circuit 10, an RF amplifier that is Screen-Grid modulated by circuit 19. The thing that I find odd is that the RF Amplifier is not 'tuned'... The plate circuit consisting solely of item 16, a step-down transformer of some sort, that drives a step-up transformer (also untuned) with a load resistor connected across it's secondary winding, then to a pair of non-descript 'electrodes'. Over all, it's quite crude... I'd be quite concerned about any degree of heating that this RF generator might produce, modulated or unmodulated... I've studied the information presented at neurophone.com... Unfortunately, the only conclusion I've arrived at is QUACKERY... Why use digital modulation when mammals are analog in nature...? It's been stated that one could patent a ham sandwich if it was scientifically described. Allowing anyone to apply an electrode of this type to a person's head or spinal column is ludicrous... Where are the lab trials on lower order animals..? and if they were conducted, what were the scientific results..? I've spent over twelve years working with Neuro-Psychologists and Audiologists studying many areas of the human brain and the myriad ways that the brain processes information, visual, auditory, tactile, and by direct stimulation... We had never been presented with a device or methodology of this nature... If there is any real substance to this 'neurophone', I'd certainly like to see some real, honest-to-goodness scientific evidence... ...Larry, W1GOR (Queens College, Department of Psychology, City University of New York (CUNY), 1966 through 1979...) When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened." --Alexander Graham Bell, American inventor - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > >The cause of people hearing radio transmissions in their heads has > been >>traced to old school tooth fillings > > I'm very familiar with detection of AM signals in tooth fillings and > the like, but that did not seem to be the mechanism at work in this > case. I scanned the copy of the patent 3,393,279 I've had in my files > all these years so you can see what it is about: > > http://www.wd8das.net/neurophoneRF.pdf > > I noticed that the name on the patent and the material at > http://www.neurophone.com are the same, so they are certainly related. > I was mistaken in my earlier thought that they were different. My > confusion came from the way he is now marketing the system as > "ultrasonic", rather than an RF technology. At those frequencies > (20kHz-200kHz) it just depends on the medium involved (AC current thru > the body versus vibrations in the body versus electromagnetic field > passing thru the body) as to how you describe it. Maybe it was easier > to avoid some regulations if it wasn't considered RF. > > The digital modulation technique described on the website might be > related to his other patent, 3,647,970. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > > Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin > http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!):
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Steve, There's nothing special about this circuit... Circuit 7 is a phase-shift oscillator, driving circuit 10, an RF amplifier that is Screen-Grid modulated by circuit 19. The thing that I find odd is that the RF Amplifier is not 'tuned'... The plate circuit consisting solely of item 16, a step-down transformer of some sort, that drives a step-up transformer (also untuned) with a load resistor connected across it's secondary winding, then to a pair of non-descript 'electrodes'. Over all, it's quite crude... I'd be quite concerned about any degree of heating that this RF generator might produce, modulated or unmodulated... I've studied the information presented at neurophone.com... Unfortunately, the only conclusion I've arrived at is QUACKERY... Why use digital modulation when mammals are analog in nature...? It's been stated that one could patent a ham sandwich if it was scientifically described. Allowing anyone to apply an electrode of this type to a person's head or spinal column is ludicrous... Where are the lab trials on lower order animals..? and if they were conducted, what were the scientific results..? I've spent over twelve years working with Neuro-Psychologists and Audiologists studying many areas of the human brain and the myriad ways that the brain processes information, visual, auditory, tactile, and by direct stimulation... We had never been presented with a device or methodology of this nature... If there is any real substance to this 'neurophone', I'd certainly like to see some real, honest-to-goodness scientific evidence... ...Larry, W1GOR (Queens College, Department of Psychology, City University of New York (CUNY), 1966 through 1979...) When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened." --Alexander Graham Bell, American inventor - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > >The cause of people hearing radio transmissions in their heads has > been >>traced to old school tooth fillings > > I'm very familiar with detection of AM signals in tooth fillings and > the like, but that did not seem to be the mechanism at work in this > case. I scanned the copy of the patent 3,393,279 I've had in my files > all these years so you can see what it is about: > > http://www.wd8das.net/neurophoneRF.pdf > > I noticed that the name on the patent and the material at > http://www.neurophone.com are the same, so they are certainly related. > I was mistaken in my earlier thought that they were different. My > confusion came from the way he is now marketing the system as > "ultrasonic", rather than an RF technology. At those frequencies > (20kHz-200kHz) it just depends on the medium involved (AC current thru > the body versus vibrations in the body versus electromagnetic field > passing thru the body) as to how you describe it. Maybe it was easier > to avoid some regulations if it wasn't considered RF. > > The digital modulation technique described on the website might be > related to his other patent, 3,647,970. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > > Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin > http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
>The cause of people hearing radio transmissions in their heads has been >traced to old school tooth fillings I'm very familiar with detection of AM signals in tooth fillings and the like, but that did not seem to be the mechanism at work in this case. I scanned the copy of the patent 3,393,279 I've had in my files all these years so you can see what it is about: http://www.wd8das.net/neurophoneRF.pdf I noticed that the name on the patent and the material at http://www.neurophone.com are the same, so they are certainly related. I was mistaken in my earlier thought that they were different. My confusion came from the way he is now marketing the system as "ultrasonic", rather than an RF technology. At those frequencies (20kHz-200kHz) it just depends on the medium involved (AC current thru the body versus vibrations in the body versus electromagnetic field passing thru the body) as to how you describe it. Maybe it was easier to avoid some regulations if it wasn't considered RF. The digital modulation technique described on the website might be related to his other patent, 3,647,970. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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There's no doubt that those jump to some conclusion and WANT to believe will find 100% correlation to their beliefs one way or the other because their "want" over powers scientific reason. There is no doubt that the human body responds to RF fields, that's how MRI's work. That being said, I and a lot of the rest of you have been around a lot of high power RF for years, and have no ill effects other that wanting to mess with AM :-). Bill AD5OL From: Jeffrey Travers To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 9:41:14 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" If you research this disorder on the net you will find that in controlled experiments, people identified as sensitive to EM radiation scored 100% response rate so it isn't necessarily rubbish and needs more study to ascertain distance and impact on those sensitive. I am a bit surprised at the bias reflected in the email exchanges here. Jeff VK3GMO > From: w1...@maine.rr.com > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:45:11 -0500 > Subject: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > > Sorry guys... I should have placed more emphasis on the subject line... > > It should have read, "MORON ELECTROMAGNETIC ALLERGIES"... > > With a great big evil grin, Larry - W1GOR, Gorham, Maine > > > - Original Message - > From: W1GOR > To: AM Radio > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:40 PM > Subject: More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > > > Here's the text of the referenced newspaper article... See LAST line... > > ...Larry, W1GOR > > Santa Fe Residents Allege City's Wi-Fi Affecting Their "Electromagnetic > Allergies" > January 12, 2010 2:44 p.m. EST > Topics: United States, Technology > > Ayinde O. Chase - AHN Editor > Santa Fe, NM, United States (AHN) - A small group of Santa Fe residents is > trying to get all public Wi-Fi hotpsots in the city banned. They allege the > city's Access Points (AP) irritated their "electromagnetic allergies." > > In their legal effort to ban the signals, the group is using the Americans > with Disabilities Act as a measure to have city lawmakers bow to their > pressure. The case has now reached a new level with published reports > stating that one of the individuals in the original case is suing his > neighbors for refusing to turn off their cellphone and Wi-Fi hotspot. > > Artuhur Firstenberg is claiming his neighbor's technology forced him to be > homeless. He's unable to stay in a hotel or motel because they employ Wi-Fi > connections so he's been forced to sleep in his car. > > Health officials have repeatedly stated that there is no evidence to > suggest Wi-Fi signals have any impact on the human body. Additionally, > scientific studies have shown that people who claim to suffer from > "electromagnetic sensitivity" are in fact suffering from psychosomatic > disorders and are best treated by therapy or medication. _ Search for properties that match your lifestyle! Start searching NOW! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Electromagnetic allergies
John, Speaking of near-field radiation, do you have any idea, whether or not, there are problems in the immediate vicinity of multi-megavolt power lines... I recall reading about the adverse affects of those power lines (60 Hz) on the grass growing beneath the lines, and that cattle have exhibited odd behaviors when grazing near high voltage power lines... I do recall reading about this subject, but cannot recall whether there was any substance to the articles... The RF effects are still being studied and contested in the media... Any information is appreciated... ...Larry, W1GOR Save the Planet. It's the only one with Chocolate! __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Electromagnetic allergies
Its true that there are physiological phenomena that indicate some effects from RF power exposure. In very controlled experiments with rabbits, mice and other creatures, exposure to significant doses of EM fields have caused things like audible clicks in hearing, and calcium ions crossing cell barriers. And these are not necessarily thermally caused, which is the normal effect of high RF (dielectric heating). It may be that there are magnetic field effects, somehow coupling into something in the body. It has been published that there are effects from powerline fields that have affected bee/honey production under right of ways. There is a lot of evidence that migrating birds have some sort of compass-like response to the geomagnetic (static) fields. These two are examples of weak-field effects, that have been observed and reported. The study of exposure to RF, power frequency, and magnetic fields,like chemical and radiation exposure studies, take years of rigorous experiments, to rule out other secondary effects from things like light, airborne material, natural radiation, personal bias in subjects, and on and on. There were studies in Sweden years ago that indicated that people in homes built near power lines or with particular wiring configurations were prone to increased risk of cancer. That landmark study excited a lot of people including realtors, hard-core environmentalists, and what I would call anti-technologists. It also made a big impact on the EM field research community. However, over time it was never repeatable and is no-longer considered valid except in the eyes of those who wanted that positive result. This is an example of a bias towards a particular answer. That said, however, the results of a study that identified 100% positive results from weak RF fields, is likely not real science that can be repeated. It has not been scrutinized or published in any refereed scientific journals or forums, like Nature, Science, AMA. I would be curious to see and read of such experiments. I heard recently that one state (Maine?) has a recommendation under development on exposure to cellphones in nearfield. In certain European countries, similar recommendations have been publicly made, focused on children and weaker adults. These are not scientific results, but are decisions based on prudent judgement, believing that there MAY BE effects which are not yet known. This is not a bad thing for society to do, considering the mistakes that have been made in past NOT making such decisions, asbestos, radium, cigarettes, various chemical toxins, and so on. So while I wouldn't completely rule out that there is some weak-field effect of RF exposure that we haven't discovered, it is so difficult to prove without all the underlying other environmental factors. Personally I tend to poo-poo the wackos and wierdos who claim that they get migraines and cannot sleep in the house next door to someone with a television or cellphone. And i do not attribute this to political conviction such as some here have used, but strictly based on what I know about the science and studies. I have been in high power RF work for my entire career (>30yrs) and have paid attention to these things, including reading and researching many of the reports and articles about RF exposure. I do believe that 800 MHz-1.9 GHz watt-level cellphones being held next to the brain, is not a smart thing for humans to do, and that we have to somehow change that or we may indeed find long term detrimental societal consequences. This is not a weak field effect, but a near field hazard. Arthur and Dr. Elke in Santa Fe are not what I consider to be examples of normality. They are on the fringe. We have so many people that come here from (guess where, Texas and California!), that we can now call it the land of fruit and nuts instead of the 'city different'. Touche! 73 John K5PRO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Hi Steve... The cause of people hearing radio transmissions in their heads has been traced to old school tooth fillings that used an amalgam of metals (sometimes Mercury), that, with the saline (conductive) mixture of saliva, produced a non-linear detector, similar to the detector in a crystal set... or the germanium diode used in present day crystal sets. By the way, this only works to detect AM transmissions, not TV (vestigial sideband) or FM (Frequency Modulation)... New-School dental fillings do not contain materials, but are composed of fast-setting epoxies, resins, and other non-conductors... Personally, I've had the older style fillings replaced by the newer types... and I'm nearly 75 years old, so there were many old-style fillings in this old noggin... ...Larry, the Ancient Pelican (W1GOR) Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smite thee. (William Kershner) - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > It is indeed possible that some people have the ability to detect some > electromagnetic fields directly. I recall a report I read in the > 1970s that there are at least some who seem to have an ability to > demodulate AM signals and hear the audio - there was a patented design > last century that coupled amplitude modulated RF to a person's body and > the modulating audio could be "heard". It was considered as a possible > hearing aid or no-headphones monitoring method. But results were not > consistent and the field had to be strong and tightly-coupled to the > body.I'm forgetting what it was called... the "Neurophone" maybe? > I don't think it is related to the ultrasonic thing being sold today > under that name: http://www.neurophone.com/ > > As I recall, I don't think anyone who tried it reported anything > unpleasant or irritating. Some didn't get it, some only heard > something after extended exposure, some heard the audio right away. > > But it seems highly unlikely that the weak fields produced by Wi-Fi, > neighborhood cellphone sites, etc would produce a serious bodily > reaction. We are constantly awash in electromagnetic fields from the > Sun, Earth, and the rest of the universe, as well as much stronger > local man-made noise and radio and TV signals - wouldn't someone > supposedly sensitive to weak fields like Wi-Fi and a neighborhood cell > site have been bothered by the much stronger sources much earlier and > to a greater degree? > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > > Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin > http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest > > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Jim... You're right on target with your observation... Beware of reporters bearing BULLSHIT... Technically, I've yet to meet a reporter who had any reasonable knowledge of technology... Particularly in the areas of Electronics and Aviation... Resistance is futile, but... Impedance is much more complex..! ...Larry, W1GOR - Original Message - From: "Jim Wilhite" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > For years people have attempted to draw a correlation between RF and > magnetic fields with some sort of maladies. The subject has been > studies numerous time and no connection has ever been found. It seems > as if this topic surfaces from time to time when some one with a friend > who is in the news business does a report. > > > Jim/W5JO > > > - Original Message - > > > >> It is indeed possible that some people have the ability to detect some >> electromagnetic fields directly. I recall a report I read in the >> 1970s that there are at least some who seem to have an ability to >> demodulate AM signals and hear the audio - there was a patented design >> last century that coupled amplitude modulated RF to a person's body >> and >> the modulating audio could be "heard". It was considered as a >> possible >> hearing aid or no-headphones monitoring method. But results were not >> consistent and the field had to be strong and tightly-coupled to the >> body.I'm forgetting what it was called... the "Neurophone" maybe? >> I don't think it is related to the ultrasonic thing being sold today >> under that name: http://www.neurophone.com/ >> >> As I recall, I don't think anyone who tried it reported anything >> unpleasant or irritating. Some didn't get it, some only heard >> something after extended exposure, some heard the audio right away. >> >> But it seems highly unlikely that the weak fields produced by Wi-Fi, >> neighborhood cellphone sites, etc would produce a serious bodily >> reaction. We are constantly awash in electromagnetic fields from the >> Sun, Earth, and the rest of the universe, as well as much stronger >> local man-made noise and radio and TV signals - wouldn't someone >> supposedly sensitive to weak fields like Wi-Fi and a neighborhood cell >> site have been bothered by the much stronger sources much earlier and >> to a greater degree? >> >> Steve WD8DAS >> >> sbjohns...@aol.com >> >> Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin >> http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
For years people have attempted to draw a correlation between RF and magnetic fields with some sort of maladies. The subject has been studies numerous time and no connection has ever been found. It seems as if this topic surfaces from time to time when some one with a friend who is in the news business does a report. Jim/W5JO - Original Message - > It is indeed possible that some people have the ability to detect some > electromagnetic fields directly. I recall a report I read in the > 1970s that there are at least some who seem to have an ability to > demodulate AM signals and hear the audio - there was a patented design > last century that coupled amplitude modulated RF to a person's body > and > the modulating audio could be "heard". It was considered as a > possible > hearing aid or no-headphones monitoring method. But results were not > consistent and the field had to be strong and tightly-coupled to the > body.I'm forgetting what it was called... the "Neurophone" maybe? > I don't think it is related to the ultrasonic thing being sold today > under that name: http://www.neurophone.com/ > > As I recall, I don't think anyone who tried it reported anything > unpleasant or irritating. Some didn't get it, some only heard > something after extended exposure, some heard the audio right away. > > But it seems highly unlikely that the weak fields produced by Wi-Fi, > neighborhood cellphone sites, etc would produce a serious bodily > reaction. We are constantly awash in electromagnetic fields from the > Sun, Earth, and the rest of the universe, as well as much stronger > local man-made noise and radio and TV signals - wouldn't someone > supposedly sensitive to weak fields like Wi-Fi and a neighborhood cell > site have been bothered by the much stronger sources much earlier and > to a greater degree? > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > > Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin > http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest > > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
It is indeed possible that some people have the ability to detect some electromagnetic fields directly. I recall a report I read in the 1970s that there are at least some who seem to have an ability to demodulate AM signals and hear the audio - there was a patented design last century that coupled amplitude modulated RF to a person's body and the modulating audio could be "heard". It was considered as a possible hearing aid or no-headphones monitoring method. But results were not consistent and the field had to be strong and tightly-coupled to the body.I'm forgetting what it was called... the "Neurophone" maybe? I don't think it is related to the ultrasonic thing being sold today under that name: http://www.neurophone.com/ As I recall, I don't think anyone who tried it reported anything unpleasant or irritating. Some didn't get it, some only heard something after extended exposure, some heard the audio right away. But it seems highly unlikely that the weak fields produced by Wi-Fi, neighborhood cellphone sites, etc would produce a serious bodily reaction. We are constantly awash in electromagnetic fields from the Sun, Earth, and the rest of the universe, as well as much stronger local man-made noise and radio and TV signals - wouldn't someone supposedly sensitive to weak fields like Wi-Fi and a neighborhood cell site have been bothered by the much stronger sources much earlier and to a greater degree? Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Robert, you're 100% RIGHT-ON about 100% Study Results... and you sail one of the finest vessels in the sailboat inventory... ...Larry, former owner of 'Cetacea II,' a 1982 Catalina 30... (gee, I miss her) - Original Message - From: "Robert A. Poff" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies" > Of any study that claims 100% results, I would be doubtful of accuracy in > the methodology. > > Robert A. Poff > Loganville, PA > > Pocket PC Mobile > > S/V Loon > 1983 Hunter 34 > Havre de Grace, MD > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] More on "Electromagnetic Allergies"
Of any study that claims 100% results, I would be doubtful of accuracy in the methodology. Robert A. Poff Loganville, PA Pocket PC Mobile S/V Loon 1983 Hunter 34 Havre de Grace, MD __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
